We've had a couple of DS9 threads before, but they were mostly about specific characters, so I think the the series deserves one of its own. And since it's been recently added to Netflix outside the US too, I think it'd be nice to discuss it with people who are watching it for the first time, or rewatching it like I'm doing at the moment.
And since this thread should be friendly to new viewers, let's try avoid spoilers if possible, and mark any posts with spoiler with an appropriate warning. I think it's okay to mention names like the Dominion or Pah-Wraiths, but please don't discuss any twists and revelations about them without a spoiler warning.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:19 (two years ago) link
I'm in the middle of rewatching the first season, and since I remembered it being as poor in quality as the first TNG season, I've been a bit surprised that there are actually several episodes that are quite good or even classic (besides "Duet", who's classicness is widely accepted). "Past Prologue", the second episode (third episode in Netflix, since they use the production order rather than the airing order) is already very good and touches several of the themes that will become unique to DS9.
OTOH, you also have eps like "Babel", which are okay but feel more like rewritten TNG scripts... Maybe that's why the first season feels so spotty, because it has more TNG-style, continuity-free episodes than the later seasons, where the big plot arcs start to roll.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:27 (two years ago) link
The "weird space phenomenon of the week" type of plots work in TNG, but I don't think DS9 finds its own flavour until it de-emphasizes those in favour of galactic politics and intrigue.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:33 (two years ago) link
I do not accept the classicness of "Duet"!
― Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 15:18 (two years ago) link
Like, maybe I'm showing my ignorance of WWII history, but I can't imagine that
an accomplice to genocide would be so wracked by guilt that he'd go to such radical lengths to force a war-crimes reckoning -- seemed like precisely the moral corrective that victims of genocide / retrospective capital-H History would fantasize about.
― Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 15:25 (two years ago) link
If that episode was in a realistic WWII series, I would tend to agree, but this is Star Trek! It's an allegory, a moral fable, and I think it works very well as such.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:02 (two years ago) link
I mean, one of the main themes of the entire franchise is that our better nature can in the end overcome all the horrible things we've done. I wouldn't want a ST that's cynical in that regard, that's for some other sci-fi series to do.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:06 (two years ago) link
I love watch Jake grow up over the first few seasons. He's so young at the start! Brooks has discussed it before, but he had a real bond with Cirroc Lofton and it really shows as their relationship develops.
― Jeff, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:08 (two years ago) link
I wouldn't want a ST that's cynical in that regard, that's for some other sci-fi series to do.
That's what DS9 turns into in the 6th and 7th seasons though, no?
― Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 17:39 (two years ago) link
Maybe for some stretches, but in the end not really, because......(WARNING! SPOILERS FOR DS9'S FINALE WILL FOLLOW!)......the whole series ends with the rather optimistic and Star Trekkian idea that the Dominion can be reasoned with, that they can learn to understand solids and eventually change their oppressive ways.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:29 (two years ago) link
I just rewatched the 1st season episode "Battle Lines", and I hadn't realised before that Jonathan Banks (aka Mike from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul) has a major role in it! He plays the leader of the Ennis, one of the two warring factions the protagonists come across. And he conveys a similar cynical and bitter amusement as he does with Mike, I guess that's really his forte. Perfect casting!
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:34 (two years ago) link
Watching the pilot. Sisko explaining the dictionary to dimwitted transcendental beings is hard going.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:23 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I always found that bit tedious too, and it didn't feel very credible either: if the wormhole aliens don't understand certain concepts because of their non-linear existence, how is explaining them with different words gonna help?
That said, the payoff to that scene ("then why do you exist here?) is still pretty great and moving.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (two years ago) link
idk because language is multivalent and certain words/phrases might get routed differently through the universal translator
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:41 (two years ago) link
Goddamn it I still have to finish my TNG rewatch don't start this thread now :)
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:04 (two years ago) link
To me that scene felt like the wormhole aliens were communicating to Sisko directly via telepathy, so the universal translator wasn't involved. Presumably the aliens' language is so different from humanoid ones that the UT can't even process it.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:46 (two years ago) link
oh yeah, I forgot all their interactions take place in mental dream time
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:54 (two years ago) link
Yeah. Also, for some inexplicable reason the aliens only want to talk to Sisko, while they immediately send Dax away from the wormhole. I guess they're afraid of cooties?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 07:23 (two years ago) link
Just a couple of episodes in but to my surprise I am enjoying not hating the low budget soap opera feel.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 09:04 (two years ago) link
I think DS9 actually had a reasonably large budget for its era, with the virtue of being a Star Trek show. Certainly most the effects still look pretty good, especially when you compare them to a lower-budget show like Babylon 5, whose CGI would nowadays look crappy even in a budget video game.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 10:47 (two years ago) link
The big exception I guess is Odo's morphing, which does look silly, but I think those effects were state-of-the-art back then. And you can see budget cuts the show took later on from the fact that in later seasons Odo often doesn't morph even when it would make sense him to do so, or he morphs offscreen.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 10:49 (two years ago) link
Ok low stakes rather than low budget - Keiko becoming a schoolteacher is hardly JR getting shot. I know, there's plenty of high stakes galactic political intrigue to come.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 13:25 (two years ago) link
Ok, I get what you mean, and I myself like these low stakes stories too. DS9 has a great ensemble cast, and I like how they, unlike TNG, often build the drama on personal interaction and avoid the Weird Space Threat of the Week altogether. Plus the lower stakes make sense considering the stable setting. With the Enterprise, they can sorta justify meeting things that endanger the ship or some random planet every week, because they're constantly on the move, but it'd feel ridiculous if Bajor was constantly under some new, previously unheard of cosmic threat.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 13:43 (two years ago) link
The low-stakes stories don't happen till much later in the series IMO, because nearly every episode in the first couple season strike me as having an existential threat shoe-horned into it (see that one where Dax is hazing a Trill would-be initiate and accidentally breaks space-time).
― Meighton Leeester (Leee), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 18:54 (two years ago) link
I just rewatched "Progress", which is an excellent example of a first season episode with low stakes. (Okay, if Mullibok stays on the moon he will die, but it's obvious they'll beam him up against his will before letting that happen, so the whole point of the episode is really just the moral dilemma his stubborness causes Kira to face.) But you're right that they do become more prominent in later seasons, when the writers are more comfortable in not following the narrative traditions of earlier ST series.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 17 November 2016 08:14 (two years ago) link
Trying to do this properly and not skip any but I'm in the middle of the first season slump and things are only going to get worse:
Deep Space Nine is put in jeopardy when the crew's thoughts manifest themselves, and such figures as Rumpelstiltskin appear.
The Federation ambassador from Betazed, Lwaxana Troi, visits the station, and develops an affection for Odo.
Can't I skip them? Pleeease?
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:26 (two years ago) link
It's all part of a rich tapestry, ledge
You cld comfortably skip ahead to the first episode w/ the Jem'Hadar, tbh
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:38 (two years ago) link
you can skip the rest of the first season except for Progress and Duet imo
i wouldn't skip much in season 2, there's some fun throwaway episodes there
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:46 (two years ago) link
Those are both good episodes! You do have to have a taste for camp, though.
― Meighton Leeester (Leee), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:16 (two years ago) link
The Rumpelstiltskin episode is skippable (it's pretty much a TNG style "weird space phenomenon of the week" story with no larger importance), but I wouldn't skip the Lwaxana episode. It ends up subverting our expectations of the character, and Majel Barrett is wonderful while doing that. Plus it has some important character revelations about Odo. The Lwaxana eps in DS9 (there's a couple of more to follow) in general are better than her TNG episodes, because they treat her less like a joke.
And you definitely shouldn't skip to the first Jem'Hadar episode! In the second season the quality of writing gets better, and the opening three-parter has some very important plot development w/r/t Bajoran politics that will resonate right until the end of the series.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 08:17 (two years ago) link
I wouldn't skip the Lwaxana episode
Progress was ok, critical character development for Kira, that guy was a dick though.
The Storyteller prob the worst I've seen so far. Fatuous group psychology + ludicrous deus ex machina.
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 13:12 (two years ago) link
Yeah, The Storyteller's A plot is probably the worst in the entire series, except for "Profit and Lace".
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 15:25 (two years ago) link
WARNING! SPOILERS ABOUT "PROGRESS"!...I love how "Progress" subverts the viewer's expectation of what sort of a story it's gonna be, i.e. your typical "the underdog is always right" tale where were supposed to root for this one stubborn guy and forgot about the utilitarian alternative, and instead it turns into a lesson for Kira that sometimes siding with The Man is the right thing to do....
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 15:35 (two years ago) link
I love how Quark's life is saved when he bends over to pick up a nickel.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 04:20 (two years ago) link
I second that emotion!
― quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 28 November 2016 08:59 (two years ago) link
Can you elaborate?
― Tuomas, Monday, 28 November 2016 10:15 (two years ago) link
i like Duet but agree that it is pretty contrived
― ciderpress, Monday, 28 November 2016 12:17 (two years ago) link
I like Duet, too. It may be contrived, but it's far and away one of the strongest episodes of the first couple seasons.
I actually had to think about which episode it was, since I always confuse it with Waltz. (Mentally filed under "heavy episodes where two characters square off moralizing against each other.")
― Millsner, Monday, 28 November 2016 12:52 (two years ago) link
Contrived and hammy. I liked the camp survivors standing round all dressed in rags to elicit maximum sympathy.
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Monday, 28 November 2016 12:59 (two years ago) link
Kira and Dax notwithstanding this show is being hella sexist right now. Sisko and O'Brien land on a planet and find some earth people marooned there for ten years. One guy says 'I used to be an engineer!', another guy says 'who won the soccer?', a woman steps forward and says 'what are the latest fashions?' smdh. And don't get me started on the Ferengi, a bit of light comic relief from a species who oppress their women in the most contemptible fashion.
That episode with the marooned dude was pretty good though, until the final insulting two minutes.
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 13:34 (two years ago) link
trek gotta trek
i enjoyed the 3-parter opening season 2. that evil religious lady is a good villain!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 14:47 (two years ago) link
I think the Lwaxana episodes are good curatives to the usual Trek sexism, IIRC.
― Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 01:11 (two years ago) link
on the recommendation of the ILE tastemaking consensus and because I am into day five of being sick as a goddamn dog, I've now set my sights on climbing this mountain of a show. Damn but it is a lot of episodes. I'm about 8 deep into S1 and it strikes me as mostly ok trek, if a little boring. I barely remember watching it during it's orginal run, and couldn't have stuck with it for more than part of S1 and a few into S2 or 3. I find it the kind of show I can watch with my eyes closed. As long as I have the dialogue I can fill in the rest. So far I'm liking Quark mostly because he gets picked on way too much. Kira yells 100% of her dialogue and Dax is to date perhaps the most boring trek character ever created. I'm sure I'll see things change. Anyway, I'm in.
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:34 (two years ago) link
Lwaxana episodes are getting better and better, carrying over from TNG (outside that ghastly drowning kid one). it quite enjoyed seeing her paired with Odo, it's kind of a perfect match, and their little adventure together was very endearing and sweet.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 14:49 (two years ago) link
i recall one bad lwaxana episode that was one of the worst of the series but the other couple she's in are fine
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 December 2016 14:51 (two years ago) link
11/28/1994. Fascination — A mysterious virus causes the DS9 characters to begin falling in love with each other on sight.
this was the bad one iirc
― ciderpress, Friday, 16 December 2016 14:53 (two years ago) link
good god that's going to be a terrible episode on any version of Trek, save the TOS, where it would be hilarious
― great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:43 (two years ago) link
Kinda surprised if it wasn't used in TOS already, TNG had "The Naked Now" right?
― Nhex, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:09 (two years ago) link
I've just seen 'the captain (commander) falls in love with a ghost', that was pretty bad
― the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 16 December 2016 20:00 (two years ago) link
It wouldn't be Star Trek if the principals didn't ignore the last several centuries of their history in forming cultural interests that are uniformly familiar to viewers in the 20th/21st Century.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:43 (two months ago) link
FTR, I get shakey's qualms inasmuch as the pilot is overlong and unwieldy and not a great entry point for people who aren't predisposed to jump headlong into a new Trek venture sight unseen. And if you don't stick around to the end, you miss the emotional payoff and best part of the episode. And, yeah, Brooks is sometimes a little much.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:48 (two months ago) link
iirc the the TNG pilot was much worse
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:53 (two months ago) link
contains nothing as bafflingly inscrutable as this:
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:54 (two months ago) link
TNG pilot has Q in it, which at least makes for an entertaining/watchable villain. Other stuff is stiff/stupid but that central conflict between Picard and Q in the pilot establishes a lot successfully imo.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:56 (two months ago) link
xpHe's talking to an incorporeal wormhole alien!
― DJI, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:57 (two months ago) link
Also, the Bajoran mystical stuff is some of the least interesting material in the show imo so frontloading it like that probably wasn't the best idea.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:09 (two months ago) link
shakes, go watch 'Duet' and tell me this show still stinks.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:11 (two months ago) link
Ignore Shakey, Morbs, he's muddying the waters.
The only thing you need to know from the first episode is that:
- Sisko's wife was killed by the Borg (which happened in TNG), and he's raising his son on his own.- He's been sent to command a backwater space station (titular DS9), which makes him wonder if he should remain in Starfleet (his career is going nowhere).- Bajorans are another kind of Space Jew, and the Cardassians are Space Nazis. In fact, the station used to belong to the Cardassians, but the Federation is taking it over in the hopes of negotiating Bajor's entry into the Federation.- By the end of the episode, a wormhole suddenly opens up next to the station -- and living inside are noncorporeal aliens that Bajorans worship -- and Sisko is credited with its appearance. From now on, he's viewed as Bajor's Emissary (basically a prophet for renewing contact with Bajor's gods), and he likewise finds renewed purpose as a Starfleet officer.
That's from memory so I may have gotten some details wrong.
Also, be aware that the early seasons look butt-ugly (they haven't been remastered for HD and UHD screens).
― Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:14 (two months ago) link
The visual aesthetic of this show always struck me, I.e. still polished but it seemed to be an attempt at downplaying the visual interstellar glory prevalent in the previous series (which of course were journeying everywhere) but beyond that making it appear more working class and underfunded. This is just my memory from watching 25 years ago of course.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:19 (two months ago) link
The station was pointedly a run-down wreck early in the show. It kinda develops like Deadwood, a character unto itself.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:09 (two months ago) link
god I fuckin hate Q
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:19 (two months ago) link
excellent run about 2/3 of the way through season six: worf/dax in the jungle, kira and her mom, bashir meets section 31
(i know the next one is a favorite too, but i haven't watched it yet so shush)
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 August 2019 18:21 (two months ago) link
Ah yes, the classic "Profit and Lace."
― William Tao Overture (Leee), Friday, 23 August 2019 18:49 (two months ago) link
ayo my nerds have you all watched this?https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6332276/ira steven behr’s ~hideous~ goatee (and general “look”) notwithstanding, it’s v enjoyable
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 August 2019 23:52 (one month ago) link
I plan to as soon as I have a couple furtive hours alone in my house
― DJI, Monday, 26 August 2019 00:47 (one month ago) link
just finished season 6 :'-(
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:22 (one month ago) link
ira steven behr’s ~hideous~ goatee (and general “look”) notwithstanding, it’s v enjoyable
My post has gotten buried already! I guess that's a good thing. Deep Space Nine: a thread for (re)watching this awesome series
― Melon Musk (Leee), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:20 (one month ago) link
i just watched all of voyager so i guess i will watch this now, it's kind of relaxing watching crummy 90s tv, nothing too high-intensity, no worries about what it means
― j., Monday, 26 August 2019 18:27 (one month ago) link
waiting to watch the doc until after i finish the series
― mookieproof, Monday, 26 August 2019 18:45 (one month ago) link
vic fontaine and vic fontaine episodes are great. fu if you disagree!
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 August 2019 17:09 (one month ago) link
it's kind of relaxing watching crummy 90s tv
as opp'd to crummy pretentious 2010s TV
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 August 2019 17:13 (one month ago) link
i like vic fontaine, but he does say 'pallie' too much
i have begun season seven
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 August 2019 17:22 (one month ago) link
maybe the nog ptsd episode managed to wring some pathos out of the otherwise risible vic fontaine thing.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 30 August 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link
pic.twitter.com/xe7vaiwIg0— Charles Windstar (@Cwindstar) September 6, 2019
― mookieproof, Friday, 6 September 2019 05:17 (one month ago) link
damn, i finished ds9 last night. i definitely felt bereft afterwards.
i know we have people watching rn so i won't spoilerize, but there are many elements of the finale that i was not fully on board with.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:18 (one month ago) link
was pretty amazed that the penultimate episode was honestly not very good and focused quite a bit on the ferenghis. never change ds9
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:19 (one month ago) link
man I'm so itching to discuss all the aspects of the finale and the whole of the season that i wasn't on board with.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:19 (one month ago) link
this show is a hundred years old, there can be no spoilers, metaphysically speaking
― j., Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:22 (one month ago) link
It is with extreme regret and sadness to announce that my love and best friend, Aron Eisenberg, passed away earlier today. He was an intelligent, humble, funny, emphatic soul. He sought to live his life with... https://t.co/VbI9X5g1ku— Malíssa Longo (@Malissa_Longo) September 22, 2019
― mookieproof, Sunday, 22 September 2019 05:42 (one month ago) link
― Nhex, Sunday, 22 September 2019 13:08 (one month ago) link
aww. RIP :(
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:08 (one month ago) link
― DJI, Sunday, 22 September 2019 15:51 (one month ago) link
finally finished it
still don't like nog
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 02:18 (four weeks ago) link
your heart felt something at the ptsd episode, though. right?
― mh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 02:32 (four weeks ago) link
never felt like he was a character dude I could relate to personally due to baggage and different outlooks but the realization, couched in the disconnect that *he* was now the injured one and really figured out what empathy is, meant something
then again, c’mon, you have to lose a leg to realize you’re mortal. ferengi are all libertarian teens
― mh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 02:36 (four weeks ago) link
i think i mostly didn’t like him because his actor (rip) seemed to always be yelling? as a character he had a good arc, but weird because even at the end he still looked exactly like the kid he used to be
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 03:29 (four weeks ago) link
He still looks exactly the same 75 years later (The Visitor).
― The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 08:33 (four weeks ago) link
According to Ira Behr, Marc Alaimo never wavered from his belief that at heart, Dukat was an okay guy. He'd developed his theory during the shooting of the third season episode "Defiant", a landmark show in terms of rendering Dukat a more ambiguous character from a moral standpoint, and despite all that Dukat had done, Alaimo still felt there was good in him. As Behr says, "In Marc's mind, I believe he felt his relationship with Winn was legitimate in some way, and that, in some wacky fashion, it was Dukat's bid for legitimacy. I mean Marc was actually upset when we had him hit Solbor [in "The Changing Face of Evil"]. Until the very end, he wanted Dukat to be the hero of Deep Space Nine.
lol what a weirdo
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 15:00 (four weeks ago) link
― mh, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 15:01 (four weeks ago) link
anyway, s07 was good. i think the jadzia-to-ezri thing was handled about as well as it possibly could have been. (the ezri's family episode was weak, but that wasn't the character's fault.) her interactions with worf were great. the method of her getting with bashir was annoying -- oh, she's talking about him in her sleep, and then the two of them spend three episodes staring at/avoiding each other like adolescents -- but i don't mind them getting together.
i liked vic fontaine, but it was maybe a little too much. if those episodes had been spread out over multiple seasons than one-plus seasons it might have been better. i was a little disappointed that it was never explained why he was 'more than just a hologram' -- briefly wondered whether he might be a Prophet who was on probation or something.
garak and weyoun were awesome. kai winn was perfect. damar was solid. would join the house of martok. still don't think much of dukat or his actor -- no depth when it was required nor presence when it wasn't.
the section 31 eps were good (and the guy who played sloan was great) except for the final one where . . . miles and julian traipsed through his dying mind? that was goofy af and easily the weakest part of the entire Final Chapter.
the miles-and-julian relationship really became a parody by the end.
weird to see quark reduced to the role of greek chorus in s07, particularly as people went to vic's instead.
sorry for complaining about kira being shrill early on; she ultimately ruled.
i just never really cared about odo. and tbh it's pretty weird that the federation would keep on a security officer who served under the cardassians -- even before he was revealed as one of the Dire Enemies. he and kira getting together was weird but fine, and much less annoying than the seasons spent with odo yearning.
always here for wallace shawn and rom; the rest of the ferengi episodes were . . . fine. whatever. the only episode i skipped in the whole series was the one where quark evidently dresses up as a woman.
the segue from Female Changeling Ordering the Genocide of All Cardassians and Pyrrhic Final Battle > Linking with Odo > Calmly Surrendering and Submitting to Judgment was . . . awfully handy.
the sisko's final fate was, i think, questionable at best. i'm told that originally he just became a prophet and that was it, but that upon reflection avery brooks thought 'having the black guy abandon his family' was a bad look and insisted on sisko promising to return. imo he should have been offered prophetic immortality and turned it down.
v. glad i watched it, even if it took like three years! definitely cared more about the characters than in other treks, although it took longer to do so than might have been ideal. i think it had higher highs than TNG; it might also have had more duds, but that's probably because i skipped the first two seasons of TNG. ultimately they're tough to compare.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 00:42 (four weeks ago) link
and yes nog's progression from gung-ho kid who signs on with the crazy elite cadets > kid who is less gung-ho > maimed and scared veteran is really good and important.
i just find nog's presence annoying. it'd have been better (and more interesting) with jake
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 00:54 (four weeks ago) link
if they ever followed up on the Ferengi, I’d most want to know how Rom did as Grand Nagus
― mh, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 01:24 (four weeks ago) link
Nothing would ever be better and more interesting with Jake
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 01:55 (four weeks ago) link
My issues with the final season were: enough with the mirror universe and holodeck and stupid Ferengi episodes already! When they were still coming in the second half of the season it *really* felt like they had more important things to be getting on with. Except... the whole Dominion/Cardassian alliance and war ended up being just as tiresome - there was absolutely no sense of the grand scale of it, when most of the time it was just Weyoun and Damar alone in a room looking at screens. The expressionless Breen added absolutely nothing. And as for Sisko, what a fucking disaster. Seven seasons of building up expectations and then - "I know what I have to do! Fly to Bajor in a shuttle and hurl myself off a cliff!"
The last section 31 episode was indeed a dire, a miserable failure of an attempt at a classic mindfuck episode. Hated Vic. The Klingon episodes were good, probably the best part of the whole thing.
Sorry to be so negative. I'd never have agreed that it had higher highs than TNG, but I feel like S7 retroactively poisoned my enjoyment of the whole thing!
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 08:04 (four weeks ago) link
Ok, Terrence, don’t be nervous, it’s just a walk by. You’re just an extra. You’ve been walking your whole life. This shouldn’t be hard. Just don’t walk like a complete weirdo, distract them, and ruin the scene. Ok. Here we go pic.twitter.com/EMktaqaWb6— William Mullally 🍯☕️ (@whmullally) October 2, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:49 (three weeks ago) link
― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:04 AM (one week ago)
i basically share most of your criticisms. i like vic tho.
it also felt a little too melancholy to end with that shot of kira and jake looking at the wormhole, thinking about their loved ones that they may never see again.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 18:53 (three weeks ago) link
at work emailing someone with the first name gul and a second name that sounds like a cardassian surname
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:19 (two weeks ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 3 October 2019 18:05 (two weeks ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:46 (two weeks ago) link