Deep Space Nine: a thread for (re)watching this awesome series

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We've had a couple of DS9 threads before, but they were mostly about specific characters, so I think the the series deserves one of its own. And since it's been recently added to Netflix outside the US too, I think it'd be nice to discuss it with people who are watching it for the first time, or rewatching it like I'm doing at the moment.

And since this thread should be friendly to new viewers, let's try avoid spoilers if possible, and mark any posts with spoiler with an appropriate warning. I think it's okay to mention names like the Dominion or Pah-Wraiths, but please don't discuss any twists and revelations about them without a spoiler warning.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:19 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm in the middle of rewatching the first season, and since I remembered it being as poor in quality as the first TNG season, I've been a bit surprised that there are actually several episodes that are quite good or even classic (besides "Duet", who's classicness is widely accepted). "Past Prologue", the second episode (third episode in Netflix, since they use the production order rather than the airing order) is already very good and touches several of the themes that will become unique to DS9.

OTOH, you also have eps like "Babel", which are okay but feel more like rewritten TNG scripts... Maybe that's why the first season feels so spotty, because it has more TNG-style, continuity-free episodes than the later seasons, where the big plot arcs start to roll.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:27 (two years ago) Permalink

The "weird space phenomenon of the week" type of plots work in TNG, but I don't think DS9 finds its own flavour until it de-emphasizes those in favour of galactic politics and intrigue.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 11:33 (two years ago) Permalink

I do not accept the classicness of "Duet"!

Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 15:18 (two years ago) Permalink

Like, maybe I'm showing my ignorance of WWII history, but I can't imagine that

*SPOILERS*

an accomplice to genocide would be so wracked by guilt that he'd go to such radical lengths to force a war-crimes reckoning -- seemed like precisely the moral corrective that victims of genocide / retrospective capital-H History would fantasize about.

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Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 15:25 (two years ago) Permalink

If that episode was in a realistic WWII series, I would tend to agree, but this is Star Trek! It's an allegory, a moral fable, and I think it works very well as such.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:02 (two years ago) Permalink

I mean, one of the main themes of the entire franchise is that our better nature can in the end overcome all the horrible things we've done. I wouldn't want a ST that's cynical in that regard, that's for some other sci-fi series to do.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

I love watch Jake grow up over the first few seasons. He's so young at the start! Brooks has discussed it before, but he had a real bond with Cirroc Lofton and it really shows as their relationship develops.

Jeff, Monday, 14 November 2016 17:08 (two years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't want a ST that's cynical in that regard, that's for some other sci-fi series to do.

That's what DS9 turns into in the 6th and 7th seasons though, no?

Pean-Juc Leeecard (Leee), Monday, 14 November 2016 17:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Maybe for some stretches, but in the end not really, because...
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(WARNING! SPOILERS FOR DS9'S FINALE WILL FOLLOW!)
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...the whole series ends with the rather optimistic and Star Trekkian idea that the Dominion can be reasoned with, that they can learn to understand solids and eventually change their oppressive ways.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

I just rewatched the 1st season episode "Battle Lines", and I hadn't realised before that Jonathan Banks (aka Mike from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul) has a major role in it! He plays the leader of the Ennis, one of the two warring factions the protagonists come across. And he conveys a similar cynical and bitter amusement as he does with Mike, I guess that's really his forte. Perfect casting!

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Watching the pilot. Sisko explaining the dictionary to dimwitted transcendental beings is hard going.

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I always found that bit tedious too, and it didn't feel very credible either: if the wormhole aliens don't understand certain concepts because of their non-linear existence, how is explaining them with different words gonna help?

That said, the payoff to that scene ("then why do you exist here?) is still pretty great and moving.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (two years ago) Permalink

idk because language is multivalent and certain words/phrases might get routed differently through the universal translator

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Goddamn it I still have to finish my TNG rewatch don't start this thread now :)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:04 (two years ago) Permalink

idk because language is multivalent and certain words/phrases might get routed differently through the universal translator

To me that scene felt like the wormhole aliens were communicating to Sisko directly via telepathy, so the universal translator wasn't involved. Presumably the aliens' language is so different from humanoid ones that the UT can't even process it.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:46 (two years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, I forgot all their interactions take place in mental dream time

mh 😏, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah. Also, for some inexplicable reason the aliens only want to talk to Sisko, while they immediately send Dax away from the wormhole. I guess they're afraid of cooties?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 07:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Just a couple of episodes in but to my surprise I am enjoying not hating the low budget soap opera feel.

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 09:04 (two years ago) Permalink

I think DS9 actually had a reasonably large budget for its era, with the virtue of being a Star Trek show. Certainly most the effects still look pretty good, especially when you compare them to a lower-budget show like Babylon 5, whose CGI would nowadays look crappy even in a budget video game.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 10:47 (two years ago) Permalink

The big exception I guess is Odo's morphing, which does look silly, but I think those effects were state-of-the-art back then. And you can see budget cuts the show took later on from the fact that in later seasons Odo often doesn't morph even when it would make sense him to do so, or he morphs offscreen.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 10:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Ok low stakes rather than low budget - Keiko becoming a schoolteacher is hardly JR getting shot. I know, there's plenty of high stakes galactic political intrigue to come.

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 13:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Ok, I get what you mean, and I myself like these low stakes stories too. DS9 has a great ensemble cast, and I like how they, unlike TNG, often build the drama on personal interaction and avoid the Weird Space Threat of the Week altogether. Plus the lower stakes make sense considering the stable setting. With the Enterprise, they can sorta justify meeting things that endanger the ship or some random planet every week, because they're constantly on the move, but it'd feel ridiculous if Bajor was constantly under some new, previously unheard of cosmic threat.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 13:43 (two years ago) Permalink

The low-stakes stories don't happen till much later in the series IMO, because nearly every episode in the first couple season strike me as having an existential threat shoe-horned into it (see that one where Dax is hazing a Trill would-be initiate and accidentally breaks space-time).

Meighton Leeester (Leee), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 18:54 (two years ago) Permalink

I just rewatched "Progress", which is an excellent example of a first season episode with low stakes. (Okay, if Mullibok stays on the moon he will die, but it's obvious they'll beam him up against his will before letting that happen, so the whole point of the episode is really just the moral dilemma his stubborness causes Kira to face.) But you're right that they do become more prominent in later seasons, when the writers are more comfortable in not following the narrative traditions of earlier ST series.

Tuomas, Thursday, 17 November 2016 08:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Trying to do this properly and not skip any but I'm in the middle of the first season slump and things are only going to get worse:

Deep Space Nine is put in jeopardy when the crew's thoughts manifest themselves, and such figures as Rumpelstiltskin appear.

The Federation ambassador from Betazed, Lwaxana Troi, visits the station, and develops an affection for Odo.

Can't I skip them? Pleeease?

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:26 (two years ago) Permalink

It's all part of a rich tapestry, ledge

You cld comfortably skip ahead to the first episode w/ the Jem'Hadar, tbh

Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:38 (two years ago) Permalink

you can skip the rest of the first season except for Progress and Duet imo

i wouldn't skip much in season 2, there's some fun throwaway episodes there

ciderpress, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:46 (two years ago) Permalink

Those are both good episodes! You do have to have a taste for camp, though.

Meighton Leeester (Leee), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:16 (two years ago) Permalink

The Rumpelstiltskin episode is skippable (it's pretty much a TNG style "weird space phenomenon of the week" story with no larger importance), but I wouldn't skip the Lwaxana episode. It ends up subverting our expectations of the character, and Majel Barrett is wonderful while doing that. Plus it has some important character revelations about Odo. The Lwaxana eps in DS9 (there's a couple of more to follow) in general are better than her TNG episodes, because they treat her less like a joke.

And you definitely shouldn't skip to the first Jem'Hadar episode! In the second season the quality of writing gets better, and the opening three-parter has some very important plot development w/r/t Bajoran politics that will resonate right until the end of the series.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 08:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't skip the Lwaxana episode

damnit.

Progress was ok, critical character development for Kira, that guy was a dick though.

The Storyteller prob the worst I've seen so far. Fatuous group psychology + ludicrous deus ex machina.

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 13:12 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, The Storyteller's A plot is probably the worst in the entire series, except for "Profit and Lace".

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 15:25 (two years ago) Permalink

WARNING! SPOILERS ABOUT "PROGRESS"!
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I love how "Progress" subverts the viewer's expectation of what sort of a story it's gonna be, i.e. your typical "the underdog is always right" tale where were supposed to root for this one stubborn guy and forgot about the utilitarian alternative, and instead it turns into a lesson for Kira that sometimes siding with The Man is the right thing to do.
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Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 15:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I love how Quark's life is saved when he bends over to pick up a nickel.

schwantz, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 04:20 (two years ago) Permalink

I do not accept the classicness of "Duet"!

I second that emotion!

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Monday, 28 November 2016 08:59 (two years ago) Permalink

Can you elaborate?

Tuomas, Monday, 28 November 2016 10:15 (two years ago) Permalink

i like Duet but agree that it is pretty contrived

ciderpress, Monday, 28 November 2016 12:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I like Duet, too. It may be contrived, but it's far and away one of the strongest episodes of the first couple seasons.

I actually had to think about which episode it was, since I always confuse it with Waltz. (Mentally filed under "heavy episodes where two characters square off moralizing against each other.")

Millsner, Monday, 28 November 2016 12:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Contrived and hammy. I liked the camp survivors standing round all dressed in rags to elicit maximum sympathy.

the year of diving languorously (ledge), Monday, 28 November 2016 12:59 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Kira and Dax notwithstanding this show is being hella sexist right now. Sisko and O'Brien land on a planet and find some earth people marooned there for ten years. One guy says 'I used to be an engineer!', another guy says 'who won the soccer?', a woman steps forward and says 'what are the latest fashions?' smdh. And don't get me started on the Ferengi, a bit of light comic relief from a species who oppress their women in the most contemptible fashion.

That episode with the marooned dude was pretty good though, until the final insulting two minutes.

the year of diving languorously (ledge), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 13:34 (two years ago) Permalink

*dudes

the year of diving languorously (ledge), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 13:34 (two years ago) Permalink

trek gotta trek

i enjoyed the 3-parter opening season 2. that evil religious lady is a good villain!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 14:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I think the Lwaxana episodes are good curatives to the usual Trek sexism, IIRC.

Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 01:11 (two years ago) Permalink

on the recommendation of the ILE tastemaking consensus and because I am into day five of being sick as a goddamn dog, I've now set my sights on climbing this mountain of a show. Damn but it is a lot of episodes. I'm about 8 deep into S1 and it strikes me as mostly ok trek, if a little boring. I barely remember watching it during it's orginal run, and couldn't have stuck with it for more than part of S1 and a few into S2 or 3. I find it the kind of show I can watch with my eyes closed. As long as I have the dialogue I can fill in the rest. So far I'm liking Quark mostly because he gets picked on way too much. Kira yells 100% of her dialogue and Dax is to date perhaps the most boring trek character ever created. I'm sure I'll see things change. Anyway, I'm in.

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 16 December 2016 01:34 (two years ago) Permalink

Lwaxana episodes are getting better and better, carrying over from TNG (outside that ghastly drowning kid one). it quite enjoyed seeing her paired with Odo, it's kind of a perfect match, and their little adventure together was very endearing and sweet.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 December 2016 14:49 (two years ago) Permalink

i recall one bad lwaxana episode that was one of the worst of the series but the other couple she's in are fine

ciderpress, Friday, 16 December 2016 14:51 (two years ago) Permalink

11/28/1994. Fascination — A mysterious virus causes the DS9 characters to begin falling in love with each other on sight.

this was the bad one iirc

ciderpress, Friday, 16 December 2016 14:53 (two years ago) Permalink

good god that's going to be a terrible episode on any version of Trek, save the TOS, where it would be hilarious

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 16 December 2016 15:43 (two years ago) Permalink

Kinda surprised if it wasn't used in TOS already, TNG had "The Naked Now" right?

Nhex, Friday, 16 December 2016 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

I've just seen 'the captain (commander) falls in love with a ghost', that was pretty bad

the year of diving languorously (ledge), Friday, 16 December 2016 20:00 (two years ago) Permalink

This looks pretty decent! https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/15/star-trek-deep-space-nine-ai-remaster/

DJI, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:58 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Halfway through the second season now (wanted to finally finish goddamn TNG until I realized the goddamn Maquis show up in the second-to-last episode, so here I goddamn am again so I can find out who the goddamn Maquis even are). Past Odo on Terok Nor investigating past Kira is some good ass Trek. O'Brien the replicant is some good ass Trek. I like that they seem to be developing O'Brien-Bashir into another Odo-Quark 'I hate your guts except that anyone with eyes can tell that I adore you beyond words' odd couple. Kai Winn is an effing great villain. And I'm apparently not even to the point where the show gets next-level good? Cool.

Anybody read any of the novels and have suggestions? I'm a little curious. But I've only ever read like two Trek novels ever. I have a feeling I'll be a little bit more curious about the post-series novels once I'm done watching the actual show. I like many of the actors and at least some of the characters (as characters, as opposed to entities who catalyze or are catalyzed by the plot of the week) from the previous shows but this is the first time I'm vibing hard with the whole ensemble. Auberjonois might be my favorite. He may have unfair advantage in my esteem from his days as an Altman utility player but the dude commands every time he's onscreen.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 April 2019 01:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Averting eyes from potential spoilers while scrolling up but I see y'all were recently discussing the very O'Brien replicant ep ('Whispers') I just finished. I'm glad I didn't see the twist coming at all. Great, great ending.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 April 2019 01:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh! I've read one. Mid-'90s. It's the only franchise tie-in novel I've ever read. I was at a KOA in Maine, and I got food poisoning, and my family left me behind for the day. The novel was wedged beside the dirtiest latrine in Aroostock County. It didn't have a cover, and I don't remember the title. I think I talked about it with Ian once, though.

In the book, some bad one-off aliens slowly infiltrated the entire station and brutally murdered/enslaved the entire crew. Beheadings and burnings and bioweapons, lovingly detailed. Lots of minor characters died, but Jake (I think) spent the middle third of the novel hiding in vents and watching the aliens maim/decapitate the show's main cast, one-by-one, while doling out breadcrumbs of a plan for galactic destruction. And then somehow Jake did some time time-stuff, rewound the clock to before the infiltration and ... failed to stop it a second time. He died just after rewinding the timeline, but second-timeline version of himself found his first-timeline corpse and somehow deduced what was happening. Then, second-Jake watched some of the crew die (again) before second-Jake was convinced, rewound time again, got injured again, but this time managed to utter a few key phrases to third-timeline Jake, who successfully had the info to stop the invasion. The book ended with second-timeline Jake dying happy, convinced his plan worked, and third-timeline Jake setting out to make it so. (D+)

remy bean, Sunday, 7 April 2019 02:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Jesus. That's dark

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 7 April 2019 02:39 (one month ago) Permalink

i've stalled in the fifth season. there are some great moments all along, but somehow i am not inspired to carry on

tbh i think i mostly just don't care about odo. oh, you're grouchy and have daddy problems whatever terek nor sellout bro

mookieproof, Sunday, 7 April 2019 03:00 (one month ago) Permalink

I've been increasingly vibing w this show but now the Dominion is here and, well...yes. There's an air of menace lingering in the background, faint perhaps at the moment, but it feels like shit might be getting real. I enjoy earlier Trek stuff but it often has a soporific air (a combination of Roddenberry's indefatigable utopianism + the ever-present ambient hum of a starship's interior) that kept me from being wholly engaged. DS9...you have my attention.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 00:53 (one month ago) Permalink

OL > mookie, tbh

(jks of course)

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm very slowly watching the series, just watched the two-parter that begins the 3rd season and the quark marries a klingon ep after it, and I'm really enjoying the show. it's definitely a bit slow going for a lot of season 1 (although tbh i love the pilot) and the early part of season 2 but has improved drastically since. the introduction of the dominion is very welcome as there isn't really a compelling overreaching narrative yet - bajoran politics, the cardassians, bajoran-federation relations etc. are not hugely diverting imo.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:44 (one month ago) Permalink

i guess the cardassian-bajoran stuff is quite good, shouldn't have poo poo'd it too much. poster's remorse.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Dude you are literally one episode ahead of me, rad (high fives)

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:25 (one month ago) Permalink

My TNG rewatch stalled mid-season 4 and I’m tempted to skip straight to DS9. I’ve never “vibed hard with the ensemble” (© Old Lunch) so I’m glad that steps up.

Anybody read any of the novels and have suggestions? I'm a little curious. But I've only ever read like two Trek novels ever.

I’ve read a bunch of the PAD novels but no DS9s. Imzadi is classic, obviously; the rest were varying degrees of cheese but the New Frontier short books were fun are probably the closest to DS9 in style (i.e. a bit “adult” as a teen might conceive of adultness). YPADMMV of course.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:39 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've only ever read PAD Trek novels. Reading the first original DS9 book (by PAD, natch) atm. It's fine, pretty much like a filler episode. Although also impressive inasmuch as he hadn't seen the show yet when he wrote it and was drawing only from the show bible and a handful of the initial scripts. He captured the voice of the characters surprisingly well.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, he’s creepily good at that.

I mean, his writing is very often, in a real sense, dreck, but I really enjoy those books.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:47 (one month ago) Permalink

(And most of the other writers are of course oh so much worse.)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:50 (one month ago) Permalink

They got Brooks!!!! (Brief spoilers in vid.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4LPDX6uqSM

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I want to go to that!

DJI, Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink

mmmm very tempting

Nhex, Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Dude you are literally one episode ahead of me, rad (high fives)

― A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:25 PM (one week ago) Bookmark

my gf and i went nuts on the rewatch on sunday and monday and I'm now on episode 3 of the 4th season

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 April 2019 22:03 (four weeks ago) Permalink

"rewatch" should be struck from the record, I've never seen this series before

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 April 2019 22:03 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I'm up to the point in season 3 when Voyager kicked off and I'm wondering: is there any reason I need to start watching Voyager now? Like am I going to miss anything crossover-y if I wait until I'm done with DS9?

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 May 2019 16:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

No overlap between Voyager and DS9.

Also, don't subject yourself to Voyager.

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2019 16:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm hesitant to do so tbh.

I like the Maquis stuff and know it carries over to Voyager, and I did watch a little of it when it originally aired and thought it was fine, but I'm still hesitant.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 May 2019 16:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Maquis storylines evaporate really quickly on Voyager, and the treatment of SF/Maquis is immensely unsatisfying and ill-thought out.

IMO you're better off sticking to DS9, as it dips back into Maquis stuff a little as late as season 5.

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Dang the theatrical release is on a Monday??

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Friday, 3 May 2019 23:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the portrayal of dukat is so corny

mookieproof, Monday, 13 May 2019 17:39 (one week ago) Permalink

he is the greatest space Nazi ever

Nhex, Monday, 13 May 2019 17:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Anyone watching the doc in theaters today?

Soccer Team's Philosophies and Hypotheses (Leee), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I was very close to doing it, but I'm going to wait for the wider/streaming release.

DJI, Monday, 13 May 2019 20:56 (one week ago) Permalink

This is so amazingly perfect and why I'm team #DS9 for life. pic.twitter.com/zPyRkMeAOT

— Charles Evans (@banditref) May 13, 2019

j., Monday, 13 May 2019 22:15 (one week ago) Permalink

I like both, but stan harder for DS9.

DJI, Monday, 13 May 2019 23:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I can't say why exactly but it feels like a big deal that O'Brien died and was replaced by his future self (even if only from a few hours hence). Like he and others should be freaking out more about that, I feel.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh yeah that is crazy

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 May 2019 01:45 (one week ago) Permalink

They treated it like it was nbd but it seems like a bd. Oh hi Keiko, your husband got plucked out of the present and is now dead somewhere in the future but don't worry, I am his time-displaced future self here to take his place so let's just forget all of that pesky 'dead husband' stuff and go about our lives like nothing happened, what's for dinner.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 02:23 (one week ago) Permalink

remember when he was found guilty of some crime or another on a planet and before anyone could appeal it was "oh, he's already in the punishment chamber nbd he'll be out shortly" and the punishment was some simulation where he experienced years of imprisonment in something like an hour?

mh, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:09 (one week ago) Permalink


A shaken O'Brien returns to Deep Space Nine after his mind has been altered to make him believe that he spent the last two decades in prison. Accused of espionage by the Argrathi, he was given the painful memories of a 20-year incarceration — the alien race's time- and money-saving alternative to constructing jails — and released before his fellow officers could arrive to stop the punishment. Although the process took only a few hours, the effect on O'Brien is clearly devastating, and while he's told what he went through was not real, the memories are too vivid to be dismissed.

mh, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:10 (one week ago) Permalink

jesus, i haven't gotten to that episode yet. they really put o'brien through the ringer (well I guess this is technically o'brien 2, the first o'brien having died to save the station)

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:13 (one week ago) Permalink

whoops! didn't mean to post spoilers, but that's just the first five minutes of the episode so you should be good

mh, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:14 (one week ago) Permalink

xposts Dude's been put through the ringer without a whole lot of follow-up on the impact. Whereas, for example, multiple references were made to Picard's similar (yet much more pleasant) experience in 'The Inner Light' and the subsequent effect it had on him. I clearly still haven't gotten to the end of O'Brien's televisual journey but I have to assume that at some point he just snaps and like beats the shit out of Quark for no reason.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:16 (one week ago) Permalink

mh, I'm utterly appalled that you spoilerized that 25-year-old tv episode. Give us a chance to catch up, for the love of pete.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:18 (one week ago) Permalink

solid trek history of having characters undergo monumental life-altering experiences that . . . don't actually seem to change them at all

mookieproof, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:19 (one week ago) Permalink

I've been with my gf for a little over a year now, the other night i was describing the plot of the episode "the inner light" to her when she interjected: "this is the third time you've told me about this"

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:21 (one week ago) Permalink

jim, can you say with certainty that you aren't currently being 'Inner Light'-ed, perhaps for the 3rd/4th time

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:25 (one week ago) Permalink

maybe he's being 'cause and effect'ed

mookieproof, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:37 (one week ago) Permalink

a couple of my friends at work saw it and really enjoyed it! think there was just the one showing so i'll have to wait for home release

mh, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 13:40 (two days ago) Permalink

the blue goatee is really a LOT though

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:55 (two days ago) Permalink

i def want to see it anyway

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:56 (two days ago) Permalink

Farrell, at one point in the documentary, breaks down into tears discussing the disrespect she dealt with at the hands of an unidentified producer.

*cough*rickberman*cough*

Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:06 (two days ago) Permalink


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