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my fellow liberal cucktards and white-genocide lesbians! the deplorables have risen, and what are we gonna do about it?

cf men's rights thread, that's racist thread, batshit cartoons thread, donald trump thread etc

fwiw https://www.rt.com/viral/361510-alt-right-cheat-sheet-racist/

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:13 (one year ago) Permalink

feel free to use 'hitlers' and 'deplorables' interchangeably itt

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:17 (one year ago) Permalink

"Hitlers" gives them the power they want. We don't want any of these people to start the Siege of Leningrad.

how's life, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:23 (one year ago) Permalink

what can they really besiege though, it'll be shit like Green Room from here on out, unless they seize power of a whole country (ahem)

actually Green Room feels like the first film of the resistance to this shit

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Ressentiment can tear a society apart. Absurd as these cuckmasters seem, I don't feel sanguine about the threat they pose.
Con

Treeship, Thursday, 6 October 2016 12:52 (one year ago) Permalink

how are they alt though?

nashwan, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

They have the courage to actually say what everyone's thinking, unlike what-used-to-be-mainstream PC cuckservatives?

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:13 (one year ago) Permalink

They use new forms of dehumanizing slang -- not just old fashioned slurs -- which is pretty alt.

Treeship, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:38 (one year ago) Permalink

what gets me is - what is their culture? what is their art? what do they even like?

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:49 (one year ago) Permalink

They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement. Their culture is on /b/ and maybe idk theredpill. It's memes, vidya, anime, gore pics, creepypasta, cruel lolz, cringe, and tons and tons of pr0n.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:57 (one year ago) Permalink

a marginal movement

Um, isn't their candidate the Republican nominee for President?

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:02 (one year ago) Permalink

do they not like music, to paraphrase achewood

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:05 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, it does feel like the logical endpoint of 4chan, but warped to such a putridity of feeling that I fail to see how these creatures can function in anything approaching society

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:07 (one year ago) Permalink

also, have Anonymous declared war on them yet, or is there overlap?

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

you're so warped by being a cucked sjw that you can't see that their vision of society is the right one, maaaaan

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:09 (one year ago) Permalink

They have a music board you can check out. They like vaporwave. Re Trump he is their candidate but not exclusively idk it's hard to gauge.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

i think there is some overlap

xp

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:10 (one year ago) Permalink

there's an alt right sketch comedy show on Adult Swim now, Million Dollar Extreme, created by this guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca5Sg3NUsAENTlG.png

larry appleton, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

their legitimation on adult swim is deeply unsurprising

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:13 (one year ago) Permalink

their liking of vaporwave makes a weird sort of sense. they are the death eaters

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:14 (one year ago) Permalink

i'd like to take this opportunity to big up my favourite alt-right dipshit davis aurini: ostentatious whisky drinker, skull enthusiast, publicly-funded kung-fu movie auteur, and three-time winner of the international skeleton from superted lookalike contest

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ix1Xr8QHpRw/maxresdefault.jpg

just look at his lil' face!

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

These guys are just adorable

don't even see how this was a duck (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:17 (one year ago) Permalink

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:18 (one year ago) Permalink

i've been watching million dollar extreme. sometimes it is really really funny, and sometimes it is ideologically okay (like the sketch about our shitty drinking water) and then they just say something openly misogynistic or racist or the sketch is just brutally uncomfortable. idk i'd like to discuss it but i don't have much to say. it's clearly unique, and sam is clearly v smart + funny, and also i'm disappointed in adult swim for giving them a platform.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i don't think fedora is entirely linked. there may be associations/links between fedora/brony culture and the alt-right but generally speaking i think fedoras are more likely to show up in cringe threads than be worn by hardcore white supremacists.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

where is the alt-right music board?

soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

― imago, Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:18 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

how's life, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

xxp counterpoint:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4AcWFogD60/maxresdefault.jpg

spongeboy bigpants (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

http://boards.4chan.org/mu/

nb that i don't think 4chan is 100% alt-right but i think broadly speaking a lot of the aesthetic comes from there and there's lots of crossover. i wouldn't consider st0rmfr4nt alt-right - that seems more traditionally racist to me.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:22 (one year ago) Permalink

some of these shitheads are throwing a pro-trump art festival in my borough, i read on the hardening thread.

look at the morning people (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:28 (one year ago) Permalink

I looked at that /mu/ for one minute and some poor schmuck started a thread about how Esperanza Spalding, a black female artist, is really good (which she is) - devoured in seconds

imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think Million Dollar Extreme is really a part of this

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

MDE absolutely is

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:48 (one year ago) Permalink

They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement.

Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding alt-right. I thought it referred to e.g. Breitbart/Milo Yiannopoulos, who I thought are still more or less pro- a lot of those things as well as being more blatantly racist and nationalistic than, say, Mitt Romney.

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i would just like to point out that i wrote about these guys 4 years ago

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Milo isn't alt-right. He's an alt-right wannabe / fellow traveller.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh, I thought he was a quasi-leader. I'm probably on way the wrong page, then.

Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

my impression of MDE is that it's an elaborate troll on anything and everything, I'm guessing the alt-right probably has claimed him but I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (one year ago) Permalink

politics for various alt-righters probably differ but on those topics i'd guess the majority are pro-protectionism anti-immigration agnostic on Christian morality (and in many cases ideologically opposed to religious faith) isolationist or in some cases extreme hawkism (drop nukes on the middle east). and of course the central component is defending the race against #whitegenocide. also jew-hating.

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:55 (one year ago) Permalink

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink

i think the key attribute marking the "alt" (a p fraught and dumb prefix imo) is determinism.

xp

I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

― frogbs, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:54 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god knows if i can or want to find it again but there are forum posts out there by him that are the now-standard post-libertarian line, like: "i used to be apolitical and in favor of freedom, but now i see that america has been ruined since the civil rights movement and feminism, it needs to be purged" etc

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:57 AM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they are johnny come latelies

goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

it's really not. it jumped on the alt-right bandwagon thru Milo but he started as just an observer and tho the alt-right will pretty much accept any celebrity legitimacy they can get, he remains a controversial figure in the movement (bc he's gay and jewish). he wrote this around the time breitbart began embracing the alt-right: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/ - where you can see that he's interacting w/ them more as an anthropologist than a participant. xxp

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

didn't realise that Yiannopoulos had jewish heritage

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/203888/donald-trumps-little-boy

soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:05 (one year ago) Permalink

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

― Mordy, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:56 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess I never really followed the persona behind it too closely. I read a lot of that stuff as a parody of the alt-right, though I suppose at this point, what's the difference

frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

goole you always amaze/scare me with your knowledge of this stuff

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Dark Enlightenment feeds into this, right?

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

i guess my knowledge of this stuff is just unsurprising :p

Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Tends to be full of lefties in my experience.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know much about this folk thing, I should ask the person who was talking about it. Yes, this has always been going around the neo-folk scene but I imagine there's always been some of it in any genre that shows the past so lovingly or in various gothic genres (I love all this stuff. Unfortunately a lot of things I like have this fringe to them but maybe there's an extremist/toxic fringe to most things?). I was loving some neo-classical darkwave recently and realized that a lot of racists would probably love it too, hoping the band themselves aren't like that.

I was reading a book compilation of the Esoterra fanzine a few years ago, there was interviews with a lot of neo-folk, black metal, dark ambient, industrial etc, and the interviewer was regularly asking "are.....you racist?" in different words and the answers weren't always very reassuring.

A lot of people on the alt-right spectrum utterly loathe irony and are totally into sincerity.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It certainly doesn't fit with my experience of the trad folk scene.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Though that was before Shirley Collins et al started getting written about by the David Keenan/Wire cru.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There's nothing the alt-right loves more than a stridently sincere lefty they can troll, really.

Aside from that, irony is less a conscious stance and more sort've the historical dead-end that we've arrived at. A way out of it needs to be found but it can't be as simple as a "return to sincerity", that just ends up as cosplay imo.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Tom, I'm guessing the "Folk" talk in here is probably more amongst the lines of Black Metal and/or semi-Indie types picking the genre up rather than anything traditional. There's a lot of obsession with Celtic roots amongst US white nationalists iirc, might tie into it.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Opening line of this review, which continues in entertaining fashion:

This is just the fucking worst.

https://johannesburgreviewofbooks.com/2018/04/04/richard-poplak-sets-jordan-b-petersons-house-in-order-a-scorching-review-of-12-rules-for-life/

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

man dunking on peterson really never gets old huh

star wars ep viii: the bay of porgs (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

a proper and necessary dunking IMO

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 6 April 2018 11:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've been trying to avoid stuff about JP but I think that article told me everything I need to know, enjoyed reading that.

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 6 April 2018 13:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That's a well-written and highly entertaining take-down (definitely my favourite so far) but, as usual, it preaches to the choir. A friend of mine has been slowly sinking into JP-style archetypal clichés (regarding men and women in particular) over the past few years and I'm frankly at a loss as to how to get him to question his beliefs, especially since he is, at base, a highly intelligent and critical individual whose thinking skills are now wholly in the service of confirmation bias. I thought of sending him that link but am afraid that it would merely validate his worldview.

pomenitul, Friday, 6 April 2018 15:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm not sure how much it's worth to try and change someone actively rather than passively, leading by example and not via links.

i have a friend who has turned into a meme cartoonist who's probably a JP fan (or would immediately become one if he was made aware of his existence) and whose nouveau libertarianism certainly has started to quickly lean a bit right (especially w/r/t gun violence and the #metoo movement.) he's had some of his shit shared by alt-right types on social media. it's frustrating to see but i won't try to change his opinions, it's a pointless waste of energy afaict.

omar little, Friday, 6 April 2018 16:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Nazi who has blown himself up in his kitchen

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/national/warrants-bomb-maker-killed-apartment-explosion-had-white-supremacist-bent/y6Y8rfDEIv5SC9zCbbkloL/

valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Brilliant that Spectator piece, a classic of the 'Give em enough rope' genre. That bit about going back to traditional media at the end.. oh man.

piscesx, Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ugh. The part where he went on those radio shows - I had forgotten Anthony Cumia existed - was especially nauseating.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

cumia is such a scumbag. and his podcast network hosts gavin mcinn3s’ garbage too. game recognize game i guess

maura, Sunday, 8 April 2018 12:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol

maura, Monday, 9 April 2018 13:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Anti-Abortion Leader Emerges As White Nationalist

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kristen-hatten-white-nationalist_us_5acd0d5be4b0259339de14f8?xi

goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:18 (one week ago) Permalink

shocked, shocked etc.

valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 19:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Anti-Abortion Leader Emerges As White Nationalist

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kristen-hatten-white-nationalist_us_5acd0d5be4b0259339de14f8?xi9

A Twitter account called 'Byzantium' rails against 'the multiracial hellholes of western Europe and deep state America'. Where to begin...

pomenitul, Thursday, 19 April 2018 00:06 (five days ago) Permalink

Hatten and her friends bleating "she's not a racist" "she's not a racist".

She's a racist.

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Thursday, 19 April 2018 09:52 (five days ago) Permalink

fter I reached out to Hatten last week, she deleted her Facebook and Twitter accounts

this writer should reach out to more white supremacists.

She said she is having a high-risk pregnancy and that the negative attention to her views would cause her more stress

is this the set-up for the it was just a hormonal phase, excuse?

Ludo, Thursday, 19 April 2018 10:56 (five days ago) Permalink

is she one of those sacred duty to birth more wite children

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:33 (five days ago) Permalink

assholes

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:34 (five days ago) Permalink

couple of young, highly smart engineering undergrads talking absolute alt-right shit irl & I just had to give up stoicism and counter it & it ended as you expect. ending political arguments by insulting (yr lack of) manhood or appearance is 100% cogent in their worldview.

none of this mattered, but right-wing ideology feels very intuitive, I guess (bro, all this inequality/hierarchy is just natural), while leftism is counter-intuitive—it complicates, questions, makes the world's problems more complex, takes many variables at once, assigns guilt and blame.

sometimes it seems like hating/mocking leftism and adopting the opposite of all leftist stances is their whole fuel, or how they persecute leftists for not being 100% saintly virtuous people. which, in a weird way, means they have internalized our framework in a warped way

idk. trying to understand our right-wing world.

epigone, Friday, 20 April 2018 11:08 (four days ago) Permalink

sometimes it seems like hating/mocking leftism and adopting the opposite of all leftist stances is their whole fuel, or how they persecute leftists for not being 100% saintly virtuous people. which, in a weird way, means they have internalized our framework in a warped way

This is not confined to either the alt-right or even the right tbh.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Friday, 20 April 2018 11:13 (four days ago) Permalink

I think it’s fairly standard where hypocrisy is one of the few things that both sides agree is bad.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 April 2018 11:54 (four days ago) Permalink

rightism is not intuitive and leftism is not counter-intuitive. both are learned responses

imago, Friday, 20 April 2018 12:27 (four days ago) Permalink

i feel the big thing is that right-wing ideology is intrinsically hateful and, especially, vengeful, and these aspects of that ideology do resonate with me. most forms of leftism tend to point out that vengeance isn't really workable. that's true, but lord i surely do want to see my enemies suffer.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 12:37 (four days ago) Permalink

Right-wingers like to characterise left-wing ideologies as being hateful and vengeful as well though. Hating people who are better off because of their obvious superiority and wanting revenge by stripping those people of their hard-earned assets. Or even just "liberals hate our country".

Colonel Poo, Friday, 20 April 2018 12:49 (four days ago) Permalink

sure but i'm not talking about how these ideologies describe themselves, i'm talking about how they operate in practice. they can talk about how "hitler was a liberal" all day long but they'll still be wrong.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:05 (four days ago) Permalink

Seems hard to deny that 20th century Communists could be p vengeful.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:10 (four days ago) Permalink

What's at the root of most conservative right-wing thinking (if you want to take it in good faith) is the idea that suffering, inequality, etc. are inevitable and that attempts to eliminate these will inevitably backfire and suffering, inequality, etc. will be heightened as a result. That isn't in and of itself hateful or vengeful, but the certainty that leftists will lead to a worse world is what makes right-wingers feel it's ok to hate us - the reverse also usually true, leading to what sund4r mentions.

alt-right a different kettle of fish because they're not really conservative in the "intuitive" way epigone describes - they want radical change as much as any part of the left does, except they harken back to a fictional Paradise Lost of well defined gender roles, racial hierarchies, etc.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:46 (four days ago) Permalink

https://www.splcenter.org/20180419/mcinnes-molyneux-and-4chan-investigating-pathways-alt-right

Respondents recount a transformation that takes place almost entirely online. Led either by their own curiosity or an algorithm, the content they consumed became increasingly extreme, fostering their radicalization and guiding them eventually to TRS. Their responses reveal a pipeline between the alt-lite and racist “alt-right,” with many users explaining that alt-lite figures like Gavin McInnes were the first to introduce them to hardcore, veteran white nationalists.

The two threads, titled “WHAT BROUGHT YOU INTO THE MOVEMENT?” and “Path here beginning from Gavin,” asked posters to reflect on their own “red pill” narratives and provide tips for converting others. “Here’s the challenge,” a user identified as The Somalisher wrote. “Create a list of succession from the Alt-Light to us. I have friends who like Gavin…But I can’t exactly throw Andrew Anglin at them.”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:45 (four days ago) Permalink

Seems hard to deny that 20th century Communists could be p vengeful.

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)

i don't know a lot of robespierres or stalins. even antifa, the unhinged radical left, don't ever seem to go beyond misdemeanor property damage, and most of "the left" is tripping all over themselves to denounce them whenever they do. maybe i lack imagination, but i feel like we're a far longer way from Red Terror than we are from armed right-wing insurrection.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:49 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah, totally. I was thinking of "most forms of leftisms" in a broader historical sense.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2018 17:02 (three days ago) Permalink

lmao @ Milo's pathetic Facebook whining

"It’s now impossible for me to safely go out for lunch in most major cities in America" pic.twitter.com/FG6V0wprHp

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) April 22, 2018

does someone need a...safe space ???

frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:47 (yesterday) Permalink

"my black husband"

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:43 (yesterday) Permalink

some of his best husbands are black

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 April 2018 22:44 (yesterday) Permalink

lmaooo

maura, Monday, 23 April 2018 23:04 (yesterday) Permalink

A Facebook employee confirmed to me on background that the Alek Minassian Facebook post referencing 4chan and "The Incel Rebellion" is real: pic.twitter.com/gdydMBOE0l

— Jane Lytvynenko 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ (@JaneLytv) April 24, 2018

maura, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:22 (seven hours ago) Permalink

that case is being discussed a bit on the terrorist attacks thread. I'm fucking livid that vile incel garbage knows no borders.

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:29 (seven hours ago) Permalink

lol did you think canada was immune, cmon man

gbx, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:03 (five hours ago) Permalink

most of canada is just like outstate minnesota

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:06 (five hours ago) Permalink

Montreal Polytechnique today seems like a major precursor to all of this.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:07 (five hours ago) Permalink

obv not gbx I'm just angry

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:10 (five hours ago) Permalink


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