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Those Wild Beer Co sours are fine (though not, I think, the best WBC beers) but like Matt I've had enough not-good UK sour beers that I've given up on buying them. UK Craft Beer continues to suffer from a structural requirement to brew something re-tweetable and therefore stunty IMO. Anyway, wrong thread I guess.

― Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 12:29 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My findings are that some of the retweetables are indeed unworthy. But others pull it off. While WBC themselves haven't quite topped their seasonal sour blends (as said already, Modus Operandi is a great red beer and they do a killer saison) with a recent lemon beer falling well short, The Kernel have made a great raspberry sour (tasted at the London Craft Beer Festival) and a stellar damson sour (tasted the other day), each with a complex and distinguished palate and none of the niggly blandness you get with most sours the likes of *cough* Siren come out with. The best beer tt and I had at the LCBF full stop was a Buxton*/Lervig collaboration called Trolltunga, a gooseberry sour that sang to your throat on the way down and invited maybe a few too many refills. (Speaking of Norway, Aegir pulled off a brilliant red sour AND a great gose - watch out for them). Six Degrees North have a sour beer offshoot/affiliate called Lindsaymans (probably a play on Lindemans) whose regular 'goze' was good, but when mixed with raspberries turned into something outstanding.

*I was surprised given how other Buxton sours I've had have only been decent

Anyway, we don't just need to talk about sour beers; we can talk about boring hoppy hop-filled hopmonsters as well, to your taste. Or mead.

imago, Friday, 23 September 2016 13:01 (four years ago) link

glad this thread exists.

here are some uk beers i like, or foreign beers that i buy in the uk:

omnipollo - this swedish brewery is prob my favourite in recent months. i've yet to have anything of theirs that wasn't great. really good strong ipas.
mikkeller - obvious choice but actually kinda hard to get in london - i feel like the increased prevalence of local london breweries has led to fewer interesting choices
beavertown - but if we are going to have fewer choices i'm happy with these becoming v prominent. so much better than terrible camden or meantime.
kernel - still p much the best pale ale, not just in the uk either
siren - i always think their beers are underrated - not had the sour you mention tho
to ol - have liked most of their beers that i've had
weird beard - as mentioned on the other thread, always interesting

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:07 (four years ago) link

never seem to see good ambers or black ipas anymore, which i find annoying. speaking of which, it's a pity brodie's beer seems to be so hard to find in london. for a while it was like the only place you could get it was the old coffee house in soho.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:08 (four years ago) link

in homage to my presence in the landscape i favour stout esp.of a coffee or chocolate tendency

i have also realised that the reason i like fruit beers is that they remind me of fruit juice -- which i mostly like better than beer

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 13:10 (four years ago) link

My experience of 'sours' is so far limited to a mouthful of something or other someone at the Craft Beer Co. said I simply must taste. It didn't immediately seem like something I'd want to drink, but maybe I should give it another chance.

I also don't much like heavily hopped beers. I really prefer old-style bitters with a malty taste (e.g. Harvey's Sussex Bitter, which is a favourite), and also stouts and porters. Last week at two different branches of Wetherspoon's I had Dorking Brewery Black Noise (porter) and that was really nice.

Golden ales I tend to steer clear of, because the concept seems boring, but I have found myself pleasantly surprised by a few of them. I had something called Sunbeam a few weeks ago and it was delightful.

dubmill, Friday, 23 September 2016 13:35 (four years ago) link

never seem to see good ambers or black ipas anymore

beavertown black betty is still around, no?

had a great double coffee stout from high wire.

have been trying to get hold of a kernel single hop just to prove how unrefined my palate is but no joy yet. nb i haven't tried very hard.

dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:38 (four years ago) link

yeah black betty is the first good one i've had in a while - had it in the gun on well street, nice little pub.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:41 (four years ago) link

a lot of things marked as black ipa taste like stouts to me. i like stout fine but it's not the same.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:41 (four years ago) link

There were two or three at my local deli for a while, all decent and unstoutish, but I can't remember the others, will see if they're still there.

dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Friday, 23 September 2016 13:51 (four years ago) link

As hinted at by the quote at the top of the thread, my interest in beet has changed a lot in the last couple of years - this is partly, I imagine, as a result of my no longer being in that line of business, but also I've just been drinking less beer in general (getting more interested in dear old wine and spirits as it goes, also interested in reducing my personal stocks of lard).

All of that has meant that when I have a beer drink it's likely to be one of two or three that day (rather than ten), so if my drink is not a good drink that's much higher impact. That means I'm less inclined to take a chance and more inclined to cleave to the reliably delicious. And I have never had a UK craft beer I like more than a well-kept pint of Harvey's Sussex Best; that's exacerbated by the fact that the last few prevailing trends in craft just haven't been to my taste (can't be doing with extreme bitterness of hopmonsters, most sours and barrel-ageds I've tried just taste nasty).

On a positive note, I really like Orbit beers, my only reservation about them is their persistent referencing of alt-rock. But their Kolsch, Nico, is just stellar without being in any way unusual. I like some of the beer made by my old mates at Five Points (who've been going round being called / calling themselves normcore) when not too hoppy...

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 13:56 (four years ago) link

Yeah this thread is about beet, isn't it?

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 13:56 (four years ago) link

Beavertown is okay but every pint is just exorbitantly expensive even by craft beer standards and the little cans look like they are for children.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:21 (four years ago) link

where are you drinking - it is like a fiver afaik which seems to be standard for craft beer.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

It's a fiver minimum but tbh I still object to paying even £5 for a pint. A lot of the stuff that's onsale in that price range doesn't really merit it, a lot of generic metallic tasting/overhopped American-style pale ale. It does the job okay but there's just so much of it that's basically the same.

The craft beer I like and don't resent paying extra for is the stuff where you can tell the brewer's put a bit of effort in to make it taste of something, like the smokier or oakier end of the spectrum, which isn't something you really get with Brewdog or the millions of things that taste like it. There's a sea of mediocre cask ale out there but like Tim I still think a really great cask ale can be better than almost anything, but you have to wade through a lot to get to it - I think I just prefer booze that's been kept in wood rather than metal.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:28 (four years ago) link

I have to assemble some furniture later today but I'm definitely rewarding myself with a beer shop afterwards.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:30 (four years ago) link

Moor Raw! Could drink that all day out of their tiny cans.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:34 (four years ago) link

i kinda miss the days when i could drink my first draft of budweiser and announce "it's the king of beers!" to one and all and actually mean it -- you have ruined me and that's a fact

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:42 (four years ago) link

not to go all camra v people with beards but i'd correct "sea of mediocre" to "sea of vile".

i like pump ale but personally give me an average pale ale over some of the dire sweaty sock stuff that passes for real ale in most pubs, any day of the week. since craft got more popular there does seem to be nicer pump ale as well, for sure, but god the standard ones are horrendous.

not sure "it's all the same" is ever a convincing dismissal either.

the price thing is less weird to me, beer in dublin was always really expensive growing up, i guess i began drinking in pubs at the height of the boom. also like if i drink 1000 pints before i die the extra cost of buying what i like might be £500 or something. sorry next of kin.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:45 (four years ago) link

xp More or less like anyone else but richer and less useful. Sounds like a king to me.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

It's weird to me that Camra are now the non-beardy ones.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:47 (four years ago) link

lol yeah that just occurred to me

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:49 (four years ago) link

weird and surely false

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:50 (four years ago) link

Yeah it's just beards all the way down now.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:51 (four years ago) link

beards v beards and tattoos

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:52 (four years ago) link

UK beard in the new era

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:53 (four years ago) link

Spending a year drinking a different beer every day ruined good old standby pump ale for me, now if I see the doom bar badge my heart sinks. Or maybe I just don't like doom bar.

dancing jarman by derek (ledge), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:56 (four years ago) link

the stuff where you can tell the brewer's put a bit of effort in to make it taste of something

I've had some really nice beers from a brewery called Clouded Minds. Their Hazelnutter (Hazel Nutter?) is described as an American brown ale but also contains hazelnuts. I had it several times at the Toll Gate in Turnpike Lane last year. It was lovely but I haven't seen it since.

Or maybe I just don't like doom bar.

It's terrible. Tastes anonymous and even watered down. I don't think I ever drank it when it was independent but it may have changed since the brewery was taken over.

dubmill, Friday, 23 September 2016 14:59 (four years ago) link

I didn't notice much difference but I never liked it much.

A lot of those regular on-everywhere cask ales really are bad, I agree (these days if given the choice of Doom Bar or Adnams best I'd choose not to bother) but not all - I will very happily drink Tribute, for example.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:00 (four years ago) link

It's not all the same but a lot of it might as well be - I think I'm trying to separate the beer that actually feels *crafted* from the more generic stuff that gets sold as 'craft' beer and doesn't usually justify the price. The difference between what, say, Anspach & Hobday put out and a lot of yr standard Peckham Pales, which can be perfectly nice and drinkable but don't taste radically different to similar beers being brewed all over London. And that's not mentioning the godawful London Fields Brewery type stuff that really is just overpriced shit for yuppies who don't know any better. But you get fake artisan bullshit in almost everything so why should beer be any different.

I agree that the craft beer thing has improved the quality of cask ale available, or at least prompted pubs to be a bit more discerning about what they get in.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:03 (four years ago) link

yeah i agree there's some boring stuff. i think the big offenders in blandness are like meantime and camden tho. i barely distinguish the taste of those from a heineken or whatever. they're not awful just v bland.

i forget to mention redchurch brewery upthread - i love their beers and their taproom was one of my favourite places to drink when i lived in bethnal green. great music.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 15:09 (four years ago) link

my favourite pump ale is prob timothy taylor - landlord.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 15:10 (four years ago) link

There are some good Meantimes but the standard pales and lagers they sell in most places are pretty generic.

Redchurch is pretty great, and I like Kernel as well. In general the biggest benefit of the whole craft beer boom has been the widespread availability of 3% session beer that doesn't taste like piss water.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:14 (four years ago) link

Sometimes a bland lager is exactly what you need though: entirely reliable and it doesn't impinge on anything before it hits your bloodstream.

(can't find a picture of the genuine 3D article: scrubbed from the internet)

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:16 (four years ago) link

Yeah a bland lager on a really sunny day works in a way that no other beer does in that situation.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:18 (four years ago) link

I mistakenly had a sour recently and it was viscerally upsetting , they are creeping in gradually and insidiously much the way that the volume of horrible music creeps up whenever I go into a shop, while heavily hopped beers encroach like overpriced city carpentry classes .

I like ambers the best, genial and rambling! but I am in need of new recommendations

saer, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:19 (four years ago) link

they definitely have their place


Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 15:19 (four years ago) link

A huge variable with cask ale is how well it is kept. There really is a massive difference between a beer that's in top condition and the same beer, but poorly kept. It may not taste absolutely foul but it can taste really mediocre and may lead to the conclusion that that beer is intrinsically bad. Mind you, while I've had a good pint of the usually to be avoided Adnam's Broadside, I've never ever had a good pint of Doom Bar.

dubmill, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:21 (four years ago) link

Haha I was in a pub last weekend and accidentally bought a sour and basically ordered another pint straight away. They're not clearly labelled a lot of the time, last night in the pub I nearly ordered one and the barman just said "I wouldn't if I were you, it's fucking disgusting, buy a good beer instead".

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:23 (four years ago) link

I hope you tipped him

mark s, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:25 (four years ago) link

a friend of mine will sit and pints of sour beer. it disgusts me. like 5/6 in a sitting.


Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 15:27 (four years ago) link

I wonder how it's possible to tell when a disgusting sour beer goes off?

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:27 (four years ago) link

Every so often something comes along in life and I think this is a prank, but these sours, with names that don't indicate anything to do with there being sour times ahead, you have to be alert, but at the same time alertness is an opponent of reverie, if i have to be alert to the foul play ahead then the moment is killed

Landlord is a safe pair of hands, to guide you through the glen

saer, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:34 (four years ago) link

Anyway I have a number of entirely unresearched and unproved (ie TRUE) theories about craft beer:

1) that (as hinted at above) many breweries have twitter / facebook shares as the core of their marketing plan, and in order to make that interesting to people they are forced into pursuing wacky combinations
2) that the scale of production in smaller craft brews is such that it's possible to get enough people to buy 1 bottle / enough pubs to buy 1 cask to justify doing a brew; the difference in volume between a test brew and a proper brew is very small (in fact I have heard of some breweries only having test brew kit
3) that regularly brewing artisanal beer to the same recipe (or few recipes) is a bit effing boring, and trying to sell repeat orders of the same brews to retail outlets is even more boring, and that messing about with recipes is more fun
4) the combination of the above make this industry unusual in the context of the new wave of urban artisanal industries because unpredictability is not only rewarded but actually programmed in to the approach, and drops in quality aren't all that damaging: if you didn't like your bottle of loganberry porter from Bristleface in Beckenham, that doesn't mean you won't like their ginger and yuzu saison.

Taken together, these conditions are likely to produce a very uneven beer "scene" (but one that's very good fun if you have the energy, opportunity and cash to keep up with it).

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:48 (four years ago) link

always baffled & amused by lambics & other sours more than anything but imago being a partisan suddenly makes sense of them as maximalist monoliths to be held in awe

I'm not much of a beer connoisseur & I'm still pretty fond of the stodgy cask ales I have long been used to: wainwright, old peculier, landlord, pedigree, hobgoblin &c. but I have generally enjoyed all boom in IPAs & microbreweries despite the dross. been hooked on the beavertown tang lately, esp neck oil. feel sorry for everyone drinking in london

ogmor, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:49 (four years ago) link

enjoyed all the boom

ogmor, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:50 (four years ago) link

but these sours, with names that don't indicate anything to do with there being sour times ahead, you have to be alert, but at the same time alertness is an opponent of reverie, if i have to be alert to the foul play ahead then the moment is killed

Landlord is a safe pair of hands, to guide you through the glen

IRL lol, partly because these sentences reminded me of some short fiction I read recently (by Gert Jonke fwiw).

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:51 (four years ago) link

Or maybe Saramago.


Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:52 (four years ago) link

kinda feel like a beer now

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 23 September 2016 15:54 (four years ago) link

Oh man alive I have a bottle of good sherry in the fridge and I have been wishing the work day away just thinking about it.

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:56 (four years ago) link

But before that I've gotta get busy with an icy tumbler of this:

Tim, Friday, 23 September 2016 15:57 (four years ago) link

No pics, sorry! I'm usually pretty good about pics too.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:02 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

mark s, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:17 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"neckstamper" "apa" (american pale ale apparently) - is, despite itself, very very nice

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:40 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Wow, so the Beavertown part-takeover has really affected the quality of the drinks. Lupaloid and Bloody ’Ell both limp versions of their previous selves, tasting a bit Pilsner-y to my tastebuds.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:15 (two years ago) link

You say it like they were ever all that!

We recently stumbled across (genuinely - didn't know it was on until we were in the middle of it) a mini craft beer festival in Deptford. Winning beer was, comfortably, the latest Redchurch sour (cherry I think?) which threatened to take the skin off our mouths

imago, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:19 (two years ago) link

So much love for the Redchurch sours

fancy the Dirkishness of carrying Doré a round (fionnland), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:20 (two years ago) link

tt is taunting me rn with offhand comments about how the pub she's celebrating half term with her colleagues in is serving Thornbridge sours ffs

imago, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:24 (two years ago) link

Mine's a Lemsip :(

imago, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:26 (two years ago) link

Get well soon, slugger

fancy the Dirkishness of carrying Doré a round (fionnland), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:48 (two years ago) link

redchurch has gone into administration i think. a shame as the beers were great and i had some good nights in the brewery space over the years.

i haven't been big into many of their beers until now but pressure drop's 'play the dane' is a v good hazy ipa. i had a very good pohjala gose last week also.

FernandoHierro, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:52 (two years ago) link

agreed that Beavertown has dropped off. their pale ales (including the once ineffable Lupuloid) have that slight metallic tang that afflicts brewdog. not a huge diff between them now imo.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:59 (two years ago) link

Yeah, used to be an easy-to-find (in Brighton at least) and reliable beer when you weren’t near somewhere with more choice, and I had hoped that now they were available in supermarkets in other places it would be a handy option, but…

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:44 (two years ago) link

fav UK brewery at the moment is Yonder ( - mostly saison/witbier styles with foraged ingredients, closest comparison is probably Wild Beer Co

seandalai, Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:27 (two years ago) link

Campervan Brewery Neon Blitz - Blueberry Berliner Weisse dry hopped - delish with a nice tropical bite

Not quite on the level of their Himalayan Gose but really nothing is

fancy the Dirkishness of carrying Doré a round (fionnland), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:43 (two years ago) link

Speaking of Wild Beer, we've just opened a Dr Todd...

...and they have fucking taken things somewhere truly insane. Amazing. Beer of the year

imago, Sunday, 26 May 2019 21:26 (two years ago) link

Obviously RateBeer hates it. Fucking CAMRA squares

imago, Sunday, 26 May 2019 21:29 (two years ago) link

RateBeer was acquired by ABInBev so I plead that you not give them any traffic in the future. Thank you. Untappd is probably the best current arbiter of public opinion.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 27 May 2019 05:52 (two years ago) link

ah ok ty for the h/t

imago, Monday, 27 May 2019 08:23 (two years ago) link

Untappd is a great little app.

I went to the Wild Beer Co. headquarters a while back. It's on a dairy farm in Evercreech and the shop, a low barn, concealing essentially a cave full of great discs of cheese, was unmanned. You have to ring an old-fashioned buzzer, titled 'push green button for cheese.' Easily one of the best places I've ever been to. Beer was great, too.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 27 May 2019 09:18 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I had some innis & gunn mangoes on the run IPA last night, lovely flavour + nice and strong and I like the small cans so you don't look like a typical pisshead walking with one in the park. Shame it's a limited edition thing.

calzino, Monday, 8 July 2019 15:57 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Redchurch alive and kicking apparently, and their table sour is truly wonderful - has that full round vinegary punch lacking in so many weak canned sours that I find myself slogging through (you know the sort, delicate herbal weisse-style bores where the effort's misplaced and the flavour's negligible)

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:36 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I'm drinking a bottle of Boss Brewing Nutjob 4.5% Peanut Butter Pale and have to report that you should probably learn from my example and not do this to yourself, it's like diluted vinegar that's been left out too long then put in a sodastream.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 August 2020 19:41 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...


A super-fun, summery collab with our neighbours DOH Bakery! This sour uses superfresh rhubarb, lactose, vanilla and hibiscus for a sweet and tangy pastry treat!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 June 2021 13:36 (one month ago) link

i now have 3 breweries within a 10 minute bike ride of me producing beers of just astounding quality. (and the occasional cursed batch like the above.) crazy times.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 June 2021 16:54 (one month ago) link

Which three?

brain (krakow), Friday, 25 June 2021 22:40 (one month ago) link

Our local brewery is Turning Point, and everything they produce (barring an ill-advised “mango sorbet” sour) is utterly fantastic. Top tips: Yellow Matter Custard (vanilla), Milk Foley (strawberry), Gravediggers Biscuits (coffee porter), and their perennial best seller, Disco King.

mike t-diva, Friday, 25 June 2021 23:24 (one month ago) link

The major local craft brewery here in Glasgow would probably be Overtone and similarly they make some consistently fantastic beers. I can't keep up at the moment though as they've been doing at least two new releases a week for a while, so I'm about 2-3 months behind. If you're a DIPA or a TIPA fan then any you see by them should be a good buy especially.

I had one Turning Point last year when I did an order from Yorkshire Craft Beers I think, which was really great, but haven't kept up with them. Heard of Gravity Well and Howling Hops, but never tried them. Pretty Decent is a new one to me. Will keep them all in mind.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 26 June 2021 10:37 (one month ago) link

Despite loving the flavours and viscosity, I can't really cope with DIPAs and our local breweries (southern Hampshire) all seem to be heading more in that direction.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 10:58 (one month ago) link

The Overtone beers I've had are all lovely.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 June 2021 10:58 (one month ago) link

I got a mixed case from Howling Hops last summer when they were doing huge discounts and they were all solid if unspectacular.

Only had a couple of Turning Points and they've been heavyweights (and coincidentally collabs) but pretty good especially the Tripel with Torrside.

I've liked everything I've had from Overtone, and particularly remember a cold brew coffee IPA.

Odyssey are my locals I suppose but I only really get to drink them during the football season because it's when I'm in town. Some amazing beers, I'd say a couple of years since anything really outstanding but consistently great.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:29 (one month ago) link

Apparently Wild Beer have taken to calling their annual sour brew 'Coolship'. Not had one yet. Might be time

imago, Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:31 (one month ago) link

Been enjoying the newest sours from my two most local breweries Brick (guava) and Villages (yuzu) - perfect sunny weather drinks and reasonably light. Also had a few really nice beers from Arbor (based in Bristol) lately, the session ale (Pocket Rocket) is delicious.

crisp, Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:53 (one month ago) link

I like Wild Beer's small batch brews but there's nothing exciting in their core range any more. I'd still drink them but would probably pick something else if there was an option.

I have to bite my tongue giving them money though after the crowdfunding fiasco.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 26 June 2021 11:54 (one month ago) link

I've been picking up some of Wild Beer Co's smaller batch stuff like you mention lately for keeping a while. I've always liked what I've had from the more wild/barrel aged etc 'special' side of their production, but not sure I've ever bothered with the core range.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:03 (one month ago) link

I missed the crowdfunding fiasco though, what was the story there?

brain (krakow), Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:06 (one month ago) link

Back in the day Millionaire certainly, and to a lesser extent Bibble and Ninkasi, were probably as important as Jaipur in setting the benchmark for what the big names in the burgeoning craft beer market were capable of.

They were absolutely whoring themselves around to the macros at the beginning of 2017 saying they'd sell up if the price was right and could they please build a new brewery and taproom. When they didn't get any takers they crowdfunded over £1M to pay for it instead. Current status of the new brewery 4 years down the line is "still looking at potential sites".

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:15 (one month ago) link

These days I just drink <6% NEIPAs and sours that taste of dessert (sorry Tracer!)

in a bar, under the (seandalai), Sunday, 27 June 2021 01:42 (one month ago) link

If it has the letters IPA in it I'm avoiding unless there's literally nothing else. Gotta have hard rules

imago, Sunday, 27 June 2021 15:46 (one month ago) link

Anyway, currently in Bethnal Green dicing various taprooms. Boxcar isn't really calling out. Will keep browsing the map

imago, Sunday, 27 June 2021 15:46 (one month ago) link

Five Points it is. Feels like a decent call

imago, Sunday, 27 June 2021 16:35 (one month ago) link

Five points pale is a high point of the genre imo

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 27 June 2021 16:43 (one month ago) link

Had a really good Best Bitter and an excellent Mild from Boxcar in the past so maybe that's where their strength lies.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Sunday, 27 June 2021 16:56 (one month ago) link

This is the one. Awesome

imago, Sunday, 27 June 2021 17:33 (one month ago) link

Isn't Mother Kelly's in Bethnal Green? That's a brilliant taproom.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 28 June 2021 11:20 (one month ago) link

I almost entirely drink IPAs these days, along with the odd blonde or pale or sour. Keeping in mind that I'd happily die before ever again drinking e.g. London Pride, Theakstons, Deuchars, Doom Bar, what are some more interesting British non IPAs that I should look out for? Non small batch preferred so I have a chance of finding it.

Attic Brew's Fig. 2 sour a genuinely complex and worthy addition to the UK hoppy sours canon

Kernel's raspberry sour once again a murderous beast, kiu

imago, Sunday, 11 July 2021 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

louis is the tombot of beers

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 11 July 2021 15:13 (two weeks ago) link

is he a sour fascist too lol

imago, Sunday, 11 July 2021 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

two tribes have a completely acceptable range of non-hop-monster beers including a very pleasant lager and they are all available at my corner shop, the proprietors of which have decided their muslim scruples will allow them to sell alcohol after all. finally this house is starting to feel worth it. who needs crossrail.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 17:42 (one week ago) link

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