Oscars 2017

Governors Awards to Frederick Wiseman, Jackie Chan, Anne Coates, Lynn Stalmaster. All downhill from here.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/governors-awards-oscars-2017-1201848728/

@NickPinkerton
What if it turns out that the Oscar was *all* that Wiseman was working for the entire time?

Well, I've read over and over the last couple weeks that Venice is now a vital part of oscar season, so I guess Lav Diaz is a frontrunner now, huh?

which one?

Nathaniel:

To make things extra confusing Lav Diaz's four hour black-and-white Venice winner is NOT the Lav Diaz film that's one of The Philippine's finalists for their Oscar submission in 2016. The black and white Lav Diaz "movie" (he's really making miniseries, let's call them what they are!) that Philippines might submit this year is The Lullaby of the Sorrowful Mystery which is 8 hours long. (For those who'd like a comparison, last year's Golden Lion went to Desde Alla / From Afar which is Venezuela's Oscar entry this year with the Silver Lion going to Argentina's Oscar entry last year The Clan and the Grand Jury Prize to Anomalisa.)

(he's really making miniseries, let's call them what they are!)

This is... not accurate in the slightest. His films are structured as one complete narrative and are shown mainly at film festivals, projected in auditoriums; just because they're long doesn't mean they're not movies, conceived and photographed as such (or is this person saying that once a film tips over a certain arbitrary length, it automatically becomes television?)

if you're a gay Oscar blogger yes

I really want someone to cut From What is Before into a tv-series. The pilot episode would then be half an hour of people walking through forrests. Best pilot ever.

I also really want this discussion to continue until we hid the fifty-answer mark. So anytime anyone went to read up on the beginnings of the oscar-race, they'd read a long discussion of Lav Diaz and long-take aesthetics instead.

I had a vision of Mysteries of Lisbon cut into NBC-sized slices.

Ruiz' The Lines of Wellington was one of those that were both film and tv-series at the same time. I honestly thought Mysteries of Lisbon was like that too, but seems I've been mistaken. It would be great on NBC, with commercial breaks!

No, wait, rechecked IMDB, Mysteries of Lisbon WAS also a six part tv-series.

what happens when Frederik enters the Oscar thread

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1566542/jackie-chan.jpg?w=400

“It is a great and wonderful recognition of the work I have been doing for over 50 years,” (Wiseman) said. “What has kept me going is that it is fun and an adventure. Constantly working keeps me off the street, or at least on the streets that I like. I am lucky to have found work that I like and continue to be obsessed with,” he said while also thanking his family. “They recognized long ago that I am a New England Jewish Puritan and let me go my errant ways.”

Finally it was time for what Academy actors branch Governor Tom Hanks called “the man who puts the Chan in Chantastic.” Hanks noted that the two genres Jackie Chan works in – martial arts and action comedies – have been historically under-represented at the Oscars, “but that will change if I have any pull on the Board of Governors.” He described Chan’s work as a mix between John Wayne and Buster Keaton. “How is this possible out of one man?”

And the man himself could not have been more excited on stage last night in his acceptance. “I still can’t believe I am standing here. It’s a dream. A long time ago when I watched the Oscars with my Dad, he said ‘Son, you get so many movie awards around the world. When are you going to get one of these?’ Finally (Academy President) Cheryl calls. I said ‘are you sure?.’ After 56 years in the film industry, making more than 200 films, after so many bones, finally this is mine.” Among fellow action stars in the room rooting him on were Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.

http://deadline.com/2016/11/governors-awards-academy-of-motion-picture-arts-and-sciences-1201853615/

if Huppert is passed over for 5 that include Streep in Florence Foster Screechy, i would propose flooding the Kodak Theater with raw sewage.

Lately they've been reasonably successful getting one (and only one) Huppert-like candidate in best actress. I'd save the concern for Bening or Negga maybe.

i would propose flooding the Kodak Theater with raw sewage.

i.e. the other four nominees

Only just caught up with Hansen-Løve's Things to Come (I thought Eden was terrible, so had avoided it up to now). Anyway, excellent movie and Huppert is, again, superb in it - love the moments of comedy, especially with the fat black cat, that undermine both the character and Huppert's high seriousness. Would be great to see her take on a fully comic role (has she ever done this before?)

Yep -- Elle.

Huckabees too, and that cop thingy a couple years back, Tip Top. Also pretty funny in Coup de Torchon.

TtC was aiiiight, kinda like all of Hansen-Love's. Maybe her best tho.

I'll follow the nation's cue and be selfish here: http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/2017-oscar-nomination-predictions

i haven't seen it yet but can't fuckin' understand the Viggo Capt Fantastic thing

Same, tbh. The kids are clearly better.

Always disappointed the Cap Fan isn't a Viggo as Elton biopic.

the kids are clearly worse

It's possible more Academy members appreciate Vig's schlong more than I anticipated.

Southern Promises

Should Be Nominated: Knight of Cups

you too, huh

Captain Fantastic looked terrible but a lot of people I trust (and thought the same thing based on the trailer) loved it. who knows...

Vig is stealing our boy's slot

http://static.gofugyourself.com/uploads/2017/01/W-Viggo-Mortensen-and-Adam-Driver-1483483088.jpeg

KOC was fine until it turned into an Aetna commercial in the last 30 minutes; I don't understand the ire.

Guess Annette Bening's getting robbed, eh

hoping ralph finnes gets nommed

nuthin doin

He was my vote.

i've had that movie out from the library for weeks and have no desire to watch it.

There was a funny bad feminist art/performance scene in KoC, and that was all i think. Plus Wes Bentley was in it, and there's no excuse for that.

kinda crazy that fiennes has only had a pair of academy award noms (unless i'm mistaken on that.)

xp FP for abuse of the public library system

i've had that movie out from the library for weeks and have no desire to watch it.

guess you don't like Matthias Schoenaerts, eh

Should Be Nominated: Knight of Cups

you too, huh

oh no surprise then

apparently Black Book is the only film ive seen Matthias Schoenaerts in

Happy Hour is the overrated one from that article, honestly.

BEST PICTURE:
“Arrival”
“Fences”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“Hell or High Water”
“Hidden Figures”
“La La Land”
“Manchester by the Sea”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”

BEST ACTOR
Casey Affleck
Andrew Garfield
Ryan Gosling
Viggo Mortensen
Denzel Washington

BEST ACTRESS
Isabelle Huppert
Ruth Negga
Natalie Portman
Emma Stone
Meryl Streep

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mahershala Ali
Jeff Bridges
Lucas Hedges
Dev Patel
Michael Shannon

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Viola Davis
Naomie Harris
Nicole Kidman
Octavia Spencer
Michelle Williams

BEST DIRECTOR
Denis Villeneuve
Mel Gibson
Damien Chazelle
Kenneth Lonergan
Barry Jenkins

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
“Kubo and the Two Strings”
“Moana”
“My Life as a Zucchini”
“The Red Turtle”
“Zootopia”

ANIMATED SHORT
“Blind Vaysha”
“Borrowed Time”
“Pear Cider and Cigarettes”
“Pearl”
“Piper”

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
“Arrival”
“Fences”
“Hidden Figures”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
“Hell or High Water”
“La La Land”
“The Lobster”
“Manchester by the Sea”
“20th Century Women”

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
“Arrival”
“La La Land”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”
“Silence”

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
“Fire at Sea”
“I Am Not Your Negro”
“Life Animated”
“OJ: Made in America”
“13th”

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT
“Extremist”
“4.1 Miles”
“Joe’s Violin”
“Watani My Homeland”
“The White Helmets”

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT
“Ennemis Interieurs”
“La Femme et le TGV”
“Silent Nights”
“Sing”
“Timecode”

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
“A Man Called Ove”
“Land of Mine”
“Tanna”
“The Salesman”
“Toni Erdmann”

BEST FILM EDITING
“Arrival”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“Hell or High Water”
“La La Land”
“Moonlight”

BEST SOUND EDITING
“Arrival”
“Deep Water Horizon”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“La La Land”
“Sully”

BEST SOUND MIXING
“Arrival”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“La La Land”
“Rogue One”
“13 Hours”

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
“Arrival”
“Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them”
“Hail Caesar!”
“La La Land”
“Passengers”

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
“Jackie”
“La La Land”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”
“Passengers”

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Audition
Can’t Stop the Feeling
City of Stars
Empty Chair
How Far I’ll Go

BEST MAKEUP AND HAIR
“A Man Called Ove”
“Star Trek Beyond”
“Suicide Squad”

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
“Allied”
“Fantastic Beasts”
“Florence Foster Jenkins”
“Jackie”
“La La Land”

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
“Deepwater Horizon”
“Doctor Strange”
“Jungle Book”
“Kubo”
“Rogue One”

Ruth Negga!

Kate Beckinsale!? Snubbed! she just won London Critic's Circle prize as well.

At first glance, that's one of the less objectionable list of nominees I've seen in some time.

Is this the first year Pixar was shut out of Best Animated Feature?

oh god -- I just noticed Mel Gibson.

As usual, a few things I'm looking forward to (Arrival, Manchester by the Sea, Moonlight) and a bunch more that I have zero interest in ever watching.

The biggest surprise, for me, glancing at the list is that the love for the mediocre Hell or High Water lasted all the way to Oscar season.

b luck next time Marty

Prieto and that's it, right?^

I forget, are foreign language films excluded from best picture as a rule?

No, not always (Life Is Beautiful immediately comes to mind).

(And Crouching Tiger.)

That's how I took it. That bit was clunky, I admit, but on the whole her speech seemed quite heartfelt.

Her opening line was striking, I thought.

yeah really good otherwise and i def thought that one part may have just come out wrong

btw The Paper Chase was shot by Gordon Willis! time for a rewatch

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:39 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha! Just saw this for the first time last week. Liked it, but main takeaway was it was a film that only could have been made in the early 70s.

the 'joint' VF cover is ruffling a few feathers on Twitter.

What's that, pisces?

there was a spinoff Paper Chase TV series, u know, 2 seasons i think. Houseman reprising his role.

seems the idea of Moonlight being forever linked with LLL is leaving a funny taste. the post-Oscars Vanity Fair cover, unlike in previous years has a picture of the 2 directors from the 2 films instead of just the one who directed the winner.

more here https://twitter.com/ira/status/836824153449693184

Ah, I see. I wish that Moonlight was good enough that I could care about that.

I don't care deeply about Moonlight--I liked it--but I agree with the tweet that having to share the cover with La La Land is unwarranted.

as someone else noted the cover traditionally goes to the directing winner so technically it's LLL that's "sharing" in that case

That is not what happened. Variety traditionally puts the Best Director winner (in this case, Damien Chazelle) on the morning after cover. Due to the unique and historical circumstances around Moonlight's win (not the flub, just the importance of the movie winning Best Pic I think) they asked Chazelle and Jenkins to do a joint cover. Jenkins himself on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/BandryBarry/status/837045876602241026

@shaehag @Variety There just is absolutely no controversy here. Had La La Land won pic and me director I would have the cover.

People reacting to a very cool/historical and I think good choice to honor Jenkins as well as Chazelle by literally inventing fake news outrage.

I didn't love Moonlight but let's be clear: this is the first outright queer film to win an Academy Award for Best Picture. This is a big deal. And a black queer film! I don't expect BP winners to be as pretty good and sometimes excellent as Moonlight often is.

I didn't know the best director got the cover. In that case, I applaud them for extending that to include Barry Jenkins.

some people are just never happy are they.

Midnight Cowboy = subtly queer

and the gay British director won for that

I don't know how people can't care about Moonlight. You must look for different things in a film than I do

Midnight Cowboy = subtly queer

and the gay British director won for that

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius),

Covert not overt. As a film crit colleague wrote today Moonlight is explicitly about a gay character coming of age. Voight is clearly the star of MC, and even though Ratso is clearly coded as gay, Joe Buck's place on the Kinsey scale is more ambiguous.

i know, it was just the first parallel that came to mind

everyone knows Jenkins is straight, right?

and people aren't wrong to point out that Chiron's victimhood puts him in line with many traditional Hwood depictions of gay people (though the ending is certainly not)

It's a film we'll argue about for the next 30 years if Florida doesn't join Atlantis, and there ain't many recent BP winners about which we can make that claim.

"we" being America or ILX?

I would've been more personally invested in the queer barrier if it had been broken by Fight Club.

ILX is its own sovereign nation

Why does Martha Ruiz have to lose her Oscar gig just because the fucking white dude couldn't be bothered to take care of his shit instead of tweeting a pic of Emma Stone?

btw somebody commented about Beatty and Dunaway's equally appalling face "work," and I must say whaaa? Warren may have had some, but his face is a plausible 79-year-old version of his younger one, whereas I couldn't guess who Faye was without identification.

So what?

so what about any of this motherfucking shit, jed?

just all part of the slog to the grave

well this thread took a turn

I know. It's more difficult for a female star than a male star who's "allowed" to look bad.

WHOOP THERE IT IS

i love fucking misogyny, homophobia and racism! as you all have proven so very many times

eat my 12-hour-old Irish dingleberries like Raisinets

Not everyone can look like Isabelle Huppert at 63 years of age.

eat my 12-hour-old Irish dingleberries like Raisinets

Dean Martin's finest hour

his would be 'Eyetralian' as Jerry often said

i declare Oscar season dead

http://jezebel.com/the-pwc-accountants-who-worked-the-oscars-need-a-securi-1792900016

“I’m sure they’re very lovely people, but they just didn’t have the disposition for this,” Natoli said, “You need somebody who’s going to be confident and unafraid.”

eat my 12-hour-old Irish dingleberries like Raisinets

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 1, 2017

you forgot a couple zeroes

they're not Cuban [redacted]

catching up on movies that didn't get nominated, watched Edge of Seventeen, that was a thrillingly entertaining little film, hailee steinfeld should have been nominated along with annette benning and either of them were more deserving than emma stone

<<this is the first outright queer film to win an Academy Award for Best Picture>>

This isn't outright queer enough for ya?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d7/74/b5/d774b507761e71b6bd11ac0880db5e96.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MZuFX6CuNo

"But that's not OUTRIGHT queer!! They're just friends!!!!"

https://twitter.com/cobblehillis/status/836778478779392000

welcome back, KJB.

Now the traditional Oscar thread transformation into a simulacrum of the gay ones is complete.

Simulacrum was robbed

http://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/3/1/14777110/typography-oscars-2017

With a modified card, even if the presenters had gotten the wrong one, none of this would have happened because the presenters would’ve looked at it and one of two things would’ve happened: Their eyes would’ve read “Best Actress” or “Emma Stone.” Reading either of those would indicate that this wasn’t the card for Best Picture, and they would’ve asked Jimmy Kimmel or a producer to the stage to get it corrected.

The card needed to be written and designed in a way that makes it clear to the reader only the essential information.

damn...

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/a-guy-that-barely-looks-like-ryan-gosling-crashed-a-german-awards-show-as-ryan-gosling-221325262.html

icymi the Academy passed a rule so another TV series can never win the doc feature award again; too bad it took OJ to get that done.

http://deadline.com/2017/04/oscars-academy-new-documentary-eligibility-rules-disqualify-o-j-made-in-america-1202064536/