A thread for Stranger Things, the "Goonies meets X-Files" new Netflix series (with SPOILERS!)

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There was already some discussion on it on the general Netflix thread, but IMO it deserves a thread of it's own. And it's nicer for people who've watched the first season to discuss it here without needing to avoid spoilers.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:30 (five years ago) link

IMO the whole 80s nostalgia felt kinda gratuitous at first, but of course as an 80s kid I also enjoyed, and I really thought all those signifiers helped people ease into the whole Goonies/E.T. vibe the makers were clearly aiming for... The whole idea that something mysterious and weird is lurking right behind the boring everyday life in a small town, but it doesn't go fully into David Lynch style cruel & adult suburban horror, I liked how the tone was always kept safe enough that actual kids around the same age as the kid protagonists could enjoy it.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:35 (five years ago) link

Also, of course the whole commie paranoia aspect worked pretty nicely with the 80s setting, it had enough distance to real-world issues of today that it didn't feel like they were exploiting real fears to produce family entertainment, which might have been the case if the series was set in the present day, applying present day paranoias (like the fear of terrorism).

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:38 (five years ago) link

And of course the setting allowed them to avoid some plot problems that might've risen if it was set in a time period where cell phones and the internet are commonly available.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:39 (five years ago) link

As for follow-up seasons, Johnny Fever posted this in the other thread:

Just watched an interview with the producers who say if Netflix grants Stranger Things additional seasons that it's not going to be an anthology series like American Horror Story or Fargo; they're going to base it around the same characters in the same approximate time—which, if you've made it all the way to episode 8, seems hard to believe. But I'm on board.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), 17. heinäkuuta 2016 10:53 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IMO the follow-up is pretty easy to make with all the clues they set up in the final episode. Most importantly, it's heavily implied that Eleven didn't die but was transported to the upside down world. Her body isn't found, and Hopper is leaving Eggos (her favourite food) to the forest where we know the wall between the two world is pretty weak. And Hopper himself seems to be involved in some kind of X-Files work now, what with the men in black seemingly recruiting him at the end of the episode.

And then of course there's the baby monster Danny coughs out, which was the most obvious setup for the next season. And we still don't what happened to the upside down dimension... Since it has the same buildings as the "real" world, it seems it was once inhabited by humans, so what happened to them and why is it now infested with monsters? Seems like there's a lot of material still left to explore in a new season, I'm all for it.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:47 (five years ago) link

Sorry, I meant to write Will, not Danny.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:55 (five years ago) link

Am I the only one who felt casting Modine here was completely pointless? The three or four scenes where he got to actually do something could've been done by pretty much any second string TV actor, he never felt really threatening or anything.

Ryder was pretty good on the other hand, though her role was pretty one-note, it mostly went along the old "hysterical mother eventually finds the strength to face the monster" trope, a la Shelley Duvall in The Shining. Interested to see whether she gets to do more in a second season. The sheriff guy's "young John C. Reilly" impression and Eleven's intense innocence were the best bits of the show, acting-wise. Would totally watch a show revolving around those two only.

Frodo and the other three hobbits were all okay, but kinda interchangeable. The kid playing Sam was clearly the best, or at least he got the funniest snarky lines. Hope the second season elevates him beyond the comic relief role he mostly had in this one.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:23 (five years ago) link

It's not like Modine is getting top billing jobs anymore, so his casting seemed appropriate. Also, they might be able to young him down a little bit if there are flashbacks in the future.

The only—ONLY—thing I found disappointing was the monster's design. Seems those featureless "venus fly trap" faces are so commonplace now. And while they do sufficiently creep me out, I guess I was expecting a better reveal.

I though all of the kids were amazing, even the teens. All the adults too. Nancy and Michael's dad was so exquisitely one-note and aloof.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:18 (five years ago) link

Eleven's mother was the woman the chief and Winona went to go visit, yes? The story about the miscarriage seems like something that would have been used to cover up just literally stealing a baby.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:19 (five years ago) link

Yeah, agree that the monster was disappointing and too "common horror creature" looking... They shouldn't have shown it properly at all, or it should've been truly faceless or something.

One interesting thing that was barely touched: it seemed like the Demogorgon wasn't really a "monster" per se, just an animal looking for something to eat? Even the creepy things done to Barb and others seemed to be just to provide food for its growing young. It felt like they could've gotten more out of the fact that Modine's character was the one real monster, but that wasn't really explored.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:24 (five years ago) link

Eleven's mother was the woman the chief and Winona went to go visit, yes? The story about the miscarriage seems like something that would have been used to cover up just literally stealing a baby.

Yeah, that seemed to be case. At first I feared they were gonna reveal Eleven was the sheriff's girl who didn't die after all, but thankfully they didn't go there, that would've been too appropriate.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:25 (five years ago) link

I was waiting for them to reveal that Will was really the biological son of the sheriff

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:28 (five years ago) link

Also, I felt kinda bad for Barb and her family. So much of the show revolved around Will and how sad her disappearance made everyone, but at least he was saved! Barb's mom was shown in exactly one scene, and we never saw if her family even found out what really happened to her. In most cases I thought Stranger Things managed to avoid the worst cliches of the '80s movies it was emulating, but here it felt that because Barb was so clearly the "attractive teen girl protagonist's not-so-attractive best sidekick", her fate could just be hand-waved with barely any mention.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:32 (five years ago) link

I was waiting for them to reveal that Will was really the biological son of the sheriff

Wasn't it said that the sheriff had been in town for only 4 years?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (five years ago) link

And that he used to work in some bigger city before that? Probably lost that job because of the trauma of her daughter's death.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (five years ago) link

details

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (five years ago) link

I think it was implied that he's only been back in town for four years.

As for Barb, I thought it was a pity she just ended up as story fodder in the end, but maybe her parents still believe she ran away?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:35 (five years ago) link

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall one of the deputies asking the sheriff whether it was like this in the big city, or something like that?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:36 (five years ago) link

One thing that's been bugging me, and it's definitely not ruining the story for me in any way, is that if the gate to the Upside Down was only opened by Eleven recently, what was the creature feeding on before it could get topside?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (five years ago) link

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Can't imagine the sheriff not telling her parents that she died, even if he wouldn't/couldn't tell all the details.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (five years ago) link

xp Yeah, I think he grew up in Hawkins, moved away to Indianapolis, and then moved back after his daughter died and his marriage dissolved.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:38 (five years ago) link

One thing that's been bugging me, and it's definitely not ruining the story for me in any way, is that if the gate to the Upside Down was only opened by Eleven recently, what was the creature feeding on before it could get topside?

Well like I said above, since the upside down world had all the same buildings as the real world, the implication seems to have been that it was once a normal parallel world that was inhabited by people, possibly parallel versions of the people in the real world. But then something had happened and the creature(s) had infested the world and eaten everyone there.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:39 (five years ago) link

xpost They seemed to be setting something up, with the sheriff asking if Will was gay in this weird way. And the other cops saying he used to sleep with Winona.

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:40 (five years ago) link

And presumably the backstory of the upside down world will be explored more in the next season? Especially if Eleven is now stuck there.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:41 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I guess they could still reveal him to be Will's father. But that'd mean he was having an affair with her while he had a wife and daughter, not sure if they want to go there?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:42 (five years ago) link

We're going to need a full character chronology to sort this out

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:43 (five years ago) link

Joyce and Hopper probably have some kind of ties back to high school, because he seemed to have some weird relationship with Lonnie (competition, disdain, something).

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:49 (five years ago) link

This was like the perfect blend of Spielberg and Stephen king

Was that a hatched egg hopper stopped to look at when they were in the upside-down?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:30 (five years ago) link

I thought so. Nice Alien reference.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:32 (five years ago) link

I wasn't sure, not after will choked out that baby slug

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:43 (five years ago) link

I imagine the snakey thing that Hopper pulled out of Will's throat hatched from the egg, then left a little creature thingy inside him to do...what? Who knows.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:46 (five years ago) link

Eleven is the monster, guys

i.e. she created it

Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 20:30 (five years ago) link

why was will still alive but barb was dead?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:56 (five years ago) link

Will found hiding places

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:57 (five years ago) link

And was incubating the thing

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:57 (five years ago) link

i.e. she created it

Did she, though? Whenever she was in that black space with the wet floor, she could hone in on already living creatures (people to eavesdrop on), but there's no indication she could ever manifest something into being. She just brought it back out with her.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:36 (five years ago) link

Xps yeah but the monster snatched him, right? So how did he get away?

And how did the monster get the scientist dude in the elevator at the beginning?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:40 (five years ago) link

It came through a hole between the dimensions in the ceiling.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:40 (five years ago) link

Yeah, it was a bit dodgy that the creature dragged both Barb and Will to the upside down dimension, but somehow Will managed to slip away from it while Barb didn't. But I guess Will is smaller and it was easier for him to hide? The creature didn't seem to have good eyesight, or possibly it was even blind? And Barb was bleeding while Will wasn't, so it couldn't track him by smell.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:43 (five years ago) link

Since there were so many homages to the movie, I'm wondering whether season 2 will be the Aliens to season 1's Alien? The creature couldn't really have taken over a whole planet all by itself, and it was breeding anyway, so we should get multiple monsters next season... Though I'd be more happy if it was more about the mysteries of the upside down dimension in general, I'm not sure if the monster was successfully enough done that it could carry another season.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:48 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the creature would have to have some amazing backstory for me to be happy with them focusing an entire second season on it.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:09 (five years ago) link

One more interesting thing that wasn't really discussed in the finale: the sheriff pretty much sold out Eleven to save Will, didn't he? He told the bad guys where El and the other kids were hiding, so what happened next was kinda his fault. At first I thought they'd reveal he was faking, that he told the bad guys some false location, but that didn't seem to be the case... Maybe that's why he's bringing food to El at the end (and possibly helping her hide from the men in black?), because he feels guilty about it?

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:20 (five years ago) link

feel like we were robbed of epic modine death. but maybe he didn't die...it was too quick. they should have had him talking up against a wall in the school and the monster comes out of the wall and chomps his head off. that's always a good way to do it.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:22 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't really understand that sudden shift in his character. I guess his primary concern was making Joyce's family whole again, all else be damned. I don't know if El is still alive, or if she is, that's she's even in "our" world, but him leaving the Eggo waffles out there makes me think he feels pretty guilty.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:24 (five years ago) link

I've only seen like 2 and some change episodes of this but my early reaction: fuck this show. Have a lot of affection for the things it references, but (or because of that) this feels so pandering, witless, and soulless. Does it do anything interesting in the back half or does it continue emptily jerking off ppl who were kids in the 80s?

circa1916, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:44 (five years ago) link

i'm an 80's kid who has shrugged and ignored over 5 million 80's revivals and i loved this!

scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:49 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the same here. It doesn't really go above and beyond it's inspirations, but IMO it's a solid, intriguing mystery story with mostly good actors and some neat visuals, not just an empty pastiche. The 80s tropes are really just the cake dressing, I would've liked this story even with a present day setting. But if the first 2 episodes haven't convinced you, I can't imagine the rest of it will.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:41 (five years ago) link

one break with 80s form-- the girl who has sex lives and the virgin dies

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:44 (five years ago) link

I was thinking that mustve been deliberate hey?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:46 (five years ago) link

How do you know she was virgin? Just because she looked geeky?

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:47 (five years ago) link

Based on S3 and my 20-minute peek into S4, one of the main problems--the main one, maybe--is that, unfair though it may be, some kid actors were not meant to be anything other than kid actors. Their acting is just very awkward when they get older. On the old Roseanne show, Darlene made the transition from energetic kid to brooding teenager brilliantly; D.J., on the other hand, who was so weirdly funny early on, just wasn't very good as a teenager. For me, that was the case with at least two or three of the characters on Stranger Things.

― clemenza, Saturday, June 4, 2022 10:48 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Malcolm in the Middle definitely had this problem with Dewey & a little bit with Reese. Malcolm himself transitioned to an overly whiny & dramatic teenager pretty well I guess but yeah it didn't surprise me his career basically ended there

frogbs, Sunday, 5 June 2022 20:42 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBeuBFE6yHU

(xposts) It was a few decades before I realised the song wasn’t actually called “Running Scared”

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 5 June 2022 21:02 (three weeks ago) link

I heard "Running Up That Hill" on the radio today, so--maybe--that's why.

clemenza, Monday, 6 June 2022 01:29 (three weeks ago) link

There was some functionally identical cover of "Running Up that Hill" I heard a bunch on a radio maybe a couple of years ago. This one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7iVWK2W48o

Of course all the comments are still about Stranger Things. But if that's what it takes for people to hear this song, that's cool with me.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 June 2022 02:04 (three weeks ago) link

started watching this when my gf put on “the first episode of stranger things”, and it took me about 20 minutes to realize she meant first episode of the fourth season. ended up continuing to watch and despite its seriously languid pacing and kaleidoscopic direction it’s enjoyable with some serious flaws, the main thing beings there’s just too many characters with not enough to do. like much of its intended audience I am set up to tolerate a lot of the imperfections just because of what they’re going for, but I can’t say there’s much this show adds to the canon that twin peaks or buffy haven’t already. happy for kate bush tho

k3vin k., Monday, 6 June 2022 17:31 (three weeks ago) link

way behind, just watched 1st ep of new season & i really dug it

I still really like the Stephen King vibes & i think they do it so well ie using the characters as a bridge to the actual spooky bad shit but also spooky bad shit can just as easily be homelife or school

i don’t think any of the kids are any worse now than before, just some of them don’t get to do very much or arent expected to

eddie my new fave, he reminds me of a 90’s actor i cant quite place rn but the young rdj comparisons are also otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 05:28 (three weeks ago) link

just finished it yesterday - same, i quite like this still, overstuffed as it is. the high school/teen angst/bullying stuff is still the most tedious part of the show, but it gets better once they get deeper into the Upside Down/mystery shit. Russia plot went on for far, far too long but overall, it's good folding laundry TV.

Re some of the kids not having much to do: I was gonna say that it doesn't help that they keep adding new characters, but... I really like the new characters and prefer them to most of the original cast lol. Love Argyle and Eddie. i also thought young RDJ the first time I saw Eddie, not just his looks but his mannerisms and the way he talks as well.

Robin/Maya Hawke also a really fun presence - she really is equal parts Uma/Ethan, it's kinda fascinating to watch.

Roz, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 05:55 (three weeks ago) link

young rdj

only just realised people are talking about robert downey jr and it's not actually a typo of ronnie james dio

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 09:19 (three weeks ago) link

a young richard d. james

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:14 (three weeks ago) link

Was Maya Hawke's character this manic in the last season? It's so weird to see her paired with Nancy, because Nancy acts like a younger actor playing old and Hawke seems like an older actor playing young, though irl she is five years younger than Natalie Dyer. (I think Will and Mike and Dustin are the only teens that are still teens; Steve is 30, a couple of years older than Charlie Heaton, who looks 40 playing 30.)

Argyle ... I assume that is a Die Hard reference?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:31 (three weeks ago) link

remindes me of a young Mr. October himself, slugger reginald duane jackson!

andrew m., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:32 (three weeks ago) link

who unfortunately has been CANCELLED since that time he tried to assassinate the queen.

andrew m., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:33 (three weeks ago) link

The awful wig they gave Heaton isn’t doing him any favors in terms of him trying to look like a teenager.

And with the number of hard turns it took, that VW bus should’ve flipped on its side at least 20 times now. (Unless it’s an in-jokey reference to Back To The Future, where the older VW bus also should’ve flipped a bunch of times.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:21 (three weeks ago) link

Really enjoyed this season. It's always been dumb but also a lot of fun and watching with my 14 year old daughter helped me focus on the fun side. She's also much better than me at naming all the kid actors as they've all got like 20 million followers on instagram or tik tok or whatever.

But yeah the final Vecna reveal was incredibly heavy handed, even for this show. Like, yeah we get it already. The zooming in on his wrist would have been a really cool reveal if they hadn't spent the previous 10 minutes or so clearly fucking telegraphing it.

Quite like the fact that they may have been foreshadowing Vecna in previous seasons as apparently there's a few scenes where you can hear the distorted clock chime.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 07:33 (three weeks ago) link

I'm a bit puzzled by timeline I was thinking that 001 as orderly looked too young to be the kid who had killed half his family but I guess there's puberty aged kid in 1959 who is in the Creel led programme as an orderly in the late 70s and it's only 20 years. BUt yeah that whole origin thing seemed to be very heavy handed

BUt otherwise have somewhat enjoyed the season. Is everybody getting too old for this to continue anyway.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 08:40 (three weeks ago) link

i'm pretty sure i am

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 09:11 (three weeks ago) link

Lol. Season 5 is the final one and mutterings that there will be a time jump because the kids are getting too old

groovypanda, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 09:54 (three weeks ago) link

Am I the last idiot on earth to realize that Gaten Matarazzo is the son of Dawn Weiner?

Apparently not? Mother also named Heather M, but not related to the actress.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 10:41 (three weeks ago) link

Ahhhhh, okay. I saw his mother's name and just assumed.

kept wondering why dmitri the russian prison guard looked familiar. it's jaqen h'ghar from GoT!

andrew m., Wednesday, 8 June 2022 13:44 (three weeks ago) link

i’ve seen three episodes of this now and you know what? i love it??

i feel like it’s leaning into pre-80s genre pulp in a way i love. the high school basketball star wandering into the woods, distraught, screaming to the gods.. the utter psychedelic insanity of the roller rink. elle is going to go full carrie and i can’t wait

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 12 June 2022 08:43 (two weeks ago) link

I wondered if the denouement fight was a trope I wasn't overly familiar with, based on pulp films from the time or something

Stevolende, Sunday, 12 June 2022 09:42 (two weeks ago) link

I watched the first half of the first episode last night, not bad at all.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 12 June 2022 10:47 (two weeks ago) link

In a way, it felt like returning home after a long journey.

But I’ll echo many others in saying damn, that’s a long episode of TV.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 12 June 2022 11:33 (two weeks ago) link

Will Byers has grown!

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 12 June 2022 14:34 (two weeks ago) link

Lucas’ sister is NOT ELEVEN YEARS OLD

But whatever. This is a good time

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 12 June 2022 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

The Duffer brothers grew up in Durham NC. Nice easter egg placing Skull Rock at Cornwallis and Garrett roads .. both roads in Durham probably near where they lived though those 2 roads don't intersect

https://imgur.com/a/3vISxMD

that's not my post, Sunday, 12 June 2022 15:48 (two weeks ago) link

Agh, the image didn't work. Can look it up on google maps if you care.

We had a good time watching. As everyone has pointed out, editing the episodes down from 80+ minutes to 60-65 minutes would have made it much better. No need for a self-indulgent director's cut of this season - we're already watching it.

that's not my post, Sunday, 12 June 2022 15:56 (two weeks ago) link

I’m rewatching from the beginning before the final S4 episodes come out. While the attention to period detail is mostly very well done — they even got the 1984 candy wrapper designs right! —there’s a 1986 Corolla that keeps showing up in 1983-84 and it’s making me IA.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 12 June 2022 20:11 (two weeks ago) link

never seen this show but am thinking about watching it, but ... well ... "graphic child death" doesn't sound like something i'm super stoked to see. what are we talking about here? can someone give me a brief description? might be a deciding factor for me.

alpine static, Thursday, 16 June 2022 09:03 (two weeks ago) link

in S4 there is a flashback scene of a lab with a bunch of kids who have been killed in the hallways and various rooms. the deaths have pretty much all already happened, so you just see their bodies. i didn't think it was really necessary.

the first couple of seasons are a bit tamer with that sort of thing iirc.

i just watched S4E4 and it would have really been an all-time episode if it hadn't been for the laughably long exposition from victor kreel in prison, and the really quite too long trip to the underworld from max. otherwise it really was excellent. i love will. the hawkins kids are great. TIL: the incredibly crush-worthy actress who plays robin is THE CHILD OF ETHAN HAWKE AND UMA THURMAN

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 09:13 (two weeks ago) link

Also, to be fair, the whole show from the start more or less hinges on children in peril. In the '80s movies they reference, kids of this/their age very rarely are subjected to the kind of horror and trauma and pain that they experience in this show. That to me ... I can't decide if it's subversion of the formula or cynical adaptation to current trends/tastes by leaning into violence and gore. S3 kind of shocked me with its pretty impressively ott body horror, not just because of the graphic blood and guts but because I'm not used to seeing it in what is essentially on its face a family show, or at least a show for young teens. Then again, I know families that watched "Walking Dead" together, and that show is pretty gnarly, too, so who knows.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

i think it's leaning into current trends - the lab scenes feel more akin to something like Last Of Us than anything in the past - but also a way of giving themselves a bigger palette of nostalgia references to draw from i.e. poltergeist, exorcist - stuff i was totally not allowed to watch when i was the age my kids are now

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

The Thing, Nightmare on Elm Street, Scanners ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:15 (two weeks ago) link

i really like how it’s quite explicitly about ptsd and suicide without getting too after-school special about it

max: trauma witness, abusive stepdad
napolean dynamite: survivor’s guilt
chrissie: ?? did her boyfriend abuse her? is she bulimic? the scene in the toilet suggests that

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:55 (two weeks ago) link

I’m enjoying Jason’s “grab the microphone and seize the moments” far too much, keep expecting him to turn to the camera and wink

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

The persistent flashbacks to the dead kids in the Hawkins lab is tough, but the scene which really stood out for me was in E6 (I think) - the suddenly vicious gun battle and the dude dying in the back of the van, Reservoir Dogs style. A lot of the violence is cartoonish but this seemed in another level of horror.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 June 2022 13:27 (two weeks ago) link

Also, to be fair, the whole show from the start more or less hinges on children in peril. In the '80s movies they reference, kids of this/their age very rarely are subjected to the kind of horror and trauma and pain that they experience in this show. That to me ... I can't decide if it's subversion of the formula or cynical adaptation to current trends/tastes by leaning into violence and gore. S3 kind of shocked me with its pretty impressively ott body horror, not just because of the graphic blood and guts but because I'm not used to seeing it in what is essentially on its face a family show, or at least a show for young teens. Then again, I know families that watched "Walking Dead" together, and that show is pretty gnarly, too, so who knows.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 12:03 (one hour ago) link

The spirit of this post is similar to my thoughts on Star Wars. What it is vs. the demographics it targets.

Evan, Thursday, 16 June 2022 14:01 (two weeks ago) link

so, bear with me here: these are, like, reasonable movie deaths and not "torture porn" style? define all of that however you will.

like, a kid is shot or stabbed or killed but not, idk, disembowled or pulled apart limb from limb or whatever?

alpine static, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

It's not quite that bad, but it's still pretty horrific. I mean, this is a season with teens being levitated into the air and essentially twisted into grotesque pretzels by unseen forces.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

TIL: the incredibly crush-worthy actress who plays robin is THE CHILD OF ETHAN HAWKE AND UMA THURMAN

Do please excuse me, but DUHH

kinder, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:23 (two weeks ago) link

lol the cheekbones should have given it away i guess

idg everyone ffwd-ing through the russian plot, i love it. joyce and fleabag guys are extremely good value and enzo probably as fanciable as robin.

baddie really is very laughable. the kind of thing you’d dream up if you own an xbox as your only console

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:17 (two weeks ago) link

Love Brett Gelman.

Evan, Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:39 (two weeks ago) link

Watching this now. Aside from a few little problems (most of which have been part of the series from day 1) I really don’t get the hate. If you liked the first three seasons you’ll probably like this too. Sure, there are groanworthy moments, the Big Baddie is dumb as hell, and the usual anachronisms that indicate the writing team probably didn’t live through the times depicted (like the word “assholery” being coined by Max a full 20 years before it appeared in the real world), but for what it is it fits the bill fine — for me, anyway.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 June 2022 05:16 (one week ago) link

Also ffs at all the 30-year-old teenagers in this. A persistent feature of Hollywood teen movies of the 80s, but c’MAWN.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 June 2022 05:19 (one week ago) link

I wouldn't have minded all that stuff if the first episode hadn't been feature-length. It's easier to not start playing Tetris on your phone when each scene doesn't go on ten minutes too long.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2022 05:52 (one week ago) link

New part out. Eh

hrep (H.P), Friday, 1 July 2022 15:39 (yesterday) link

Huh

This wasn't SNL on a Thursday night.

This was Wyoming's Republican primary debate. pic.twitter.com/PUHeOMdx7I

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Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 1 July 2022 17:46 (yesterday) link

Whoops, wrong thread

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 1 July 2022 17:46 (yesterday) link


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