There was already some discussion on it on the general Netflix thread, but IMO it deserves a thread of it's own. And it's nicer for people who've watched the first season to discuss it here without needing to avoid spoilers.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:30 (one year ago) Permalink
IMO the whole 80s nostalgia felt kinda gratuitous at first, but of course as an 80s kid I also enjoyed, and I really thought all those signifiers helped people ease into the whole Goonies/E.T. vibe the makers were clearly aiming for... The whole idea that something mysterious and weird is lurking right behind the boring everyday life in a small town, but it doesn't go fully into David Lynch style cruel & adult suburban horror, I liked how the tone was always kept safe enough that actual kids around the same age as the kid protagonists could enjoy it.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:35 (one year ago) Permalink
Also, of course the whole commie paranoia aspect worked pretty nicely with the 80s setting, it had enough distance to real-world issues of today that it didn't feel like they were exploiting real fears to produce family entertainment, which might have been the case if the series was set in the present day, applying present day paranoias (like the fear of terrorism).
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:38 (one year ago) Permalink
And of course the setting allowed them to avoid some plot problems that might've risen if it was set in a time period where cell phones and the internet are commonly available.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:39 (one year ago) Permalink
As for follow-up seasons, Johnny Fever posted this in the other thread:
Just watched an interview with the producers who say if Netflix grants Stranger Things additional seasons that it's not going to be an anthology series like American Horror Story or Fargo; they're going to base it around the same characters in the same approximate time—which, if you've made it all the way to episode 8, seems hard to believe. But I'm on board.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), 17. heinäkuuta 2016 10:53 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
IMO the follow-up is pretty easy to make with all the clues they set up in the final episode. Most importantly, it's heavily implied that Eleven didn't die but was transported to the upside down world. Her body isn't found, and Hopper is leaving Eggos (her favourite food) to the forest where we know the wall between the two world is pretty weak. And Hopper himself seems to be involved in some kind of X-Files work now, what with the men in black seemingly recruiting him at the end of the episode.
And then of course there's the baby monster Danny coughs out, which was the most obvious setup for the next season. And we still don't what happened to the upside down dimension... Since it has the same buildings as the "real" world, it seems it was once inhabited by humans, so what happened to them and why is it now infested with monsters? Seems like there's a lot of material still left to explore in a new season, I'm all for it.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:47 (one year ago) Permalink
Sorry, I meant to write Will, not Danny.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:55 (one year ago) Permalink
Am I the only one who felt casting Modine here was completely pointless? The three or four scenes where he got to actually do something could've been done by pretty much any second string TV actor, he never felt really threatening or anything.
Ryder was pretty good on the other hand, though her role was pretty one-note, it mostly went along the old "hysterical mother eventually finds the strength to face the monster" trope, a la Shelley Duvall in The Shining. Interested to see whether she gets to do more in a second season. The sheriff guy's "young John C. Reilly" impression and Eleven's intense innocence were the best bits of the show, acting-wise. Would totally watch a show revolving around those two only.
Frodo and the other three hobbits were all okay, but kinda interchangeable. The kid playing Sam was clearly the best, or at least he got the funniest snarky lines. Hope the second season elevates him beyond the comic relief role he mostly had in this one.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:23 (one year ago) Permalink
It's not like Modine is getting top billing jobs anymore, so his casting seemed appropriate. Also, they might be able to young him down a little bit if there are flashbacks in the future.
The only—ONLY—thing I found disappointing was the monster's design. Seems those featureless "venus fly trap" faces are so commonplace now. And while they do sufficiently creep me out, I guess I was expecting a better reveal.
I though all of the kids were amazing, even the teens. All the adults too. Nancy and Michael's dad was so exquisitely one-note and aloof.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:18 (one year ago) Permalink
Eleven's mother was the woman the chief and Winona went to go visit, yes? The story about the miscarriage seems like something that would have been used to cover up just literally stealing a baby.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:19 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, agree that the monster was disappointing and too "common horror creature" looking... They shouldn't have shown it properly at all, or it should've been truly faceless or something.
One interesting thing that was barely touched: it seemed like the Demogorgon wasn't really a "monster" per se, just an animal looking for something to eat? Even the creepy things done to Barb and others seemed to be just to provide food for its growing young. It felt like they could've gotten more out of the fact that Modine's character was the one real monster, but that wasn't really explored.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:24 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, that seemed to be case. At first I feared they were gonna reveal Eleven was the sheriff's girl who didn't die after all, but thankfully they didn't go there, that would've been too appropriate.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink
I was waiting for them to reveal that Will was really the biological son of the sheriff
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:28 (one year ago) Permalink
Also, I felt kinda bad for Barb and her family. So much of the show revolved around Will and how sad her disappearance made everyone, but at least he was saved! Barb's mom was shown in exactly one scene, and we never saw if her family even found out what really happened to her. In most cases I thought Stranger Things managed to avoid the worst cliches of the '80s movies it was emulating, but here it felt that because Barb was so clearly the "attractive teen girl protagonist's not-so-attractive best sidekick", her fate could just be hand-waved with barely any mention.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:32 (one year ago) Permalink
Wasn't it said that the sheriff had been in town for only 4 years?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink
And that he used to work in some bigger city before that? Probably lost that job because of the trauma of her daughter's death.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink
I think it was implied that he's only been back in town for four years.
As for Barb, I thought it was a pity she just ended up as story fodder in the end, but maybe her parents still believe she ran away?
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:35 (one year ago) Permalink
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall one of the deputies asking the sheriff whether it was like this in the big city, or something like that?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:36 (one year ago) Permalink
One thing that's been bugging me, and it's definitely not ruining the story for me in any way, is that if the gate to the Upside Down was only opened by Eleven recently, what was the creature feeding on before it could get topside?
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink
Can't imagine the sheriff not telling her parents that she died, even if he wouldn't/couldn't tell all the details.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (one year ago) Permalink
xp Yeah, I think he grew up in Hawkins, moved away to Indianapolis, and then moved back after his daughter died and his marriage dissolved.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:38 (one year ago) Permalink
Well like I said above, since the upside down world had all the same buildings as the real world, the implication seems to have been that it was once a normal parallel world that was inhabited by people, possibly parallel versions of the people in the real world. But then something had happened and the creature(s) had infested the world and eaten everyone there.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink
xpost They seemed to be setting something up, with the sheriff asking if Will was gay in this weird way. And the other cops saying he used to sleep with Winona.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink
And presumably the backstory of the upside down world will be explored more in the next season? Especially if Eleven is now stuck there.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:41 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I guess they could still reveal him to be Will's father. But that'd mean he was having an affair with her while he had a wife and daughter, not sure if they want to go there?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:42 (one year ago) Permalink
We're going to need a full character chronology to sort this out
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:43 (one year ago) Permalink
Joyce and Hopper probably have some kind of ties back to high school, because he seemed to have some weird relationship with Lonnie (competition, disdain, something).
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:49 (one year ago) Permalink
This was like the perfect blend of Spielberg and Stephen king
Was that a hatched egg hopper stopped to look at when they were in the upside-down?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink
I thought so. Nice Alien reference.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:32 (one year ago) Permalink
I wasn't sure, not after will choked out that baby slug
― just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:43 (one year ago) Permalink
I imagine the snakey thing that Hopper pulled out of Will's throat hatched from the egg, then left a little creature thingy inside him to do...what? Who knows.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:46 (one year ago) Permalink
Eleven is the monster, guys
i.e. she created it
― Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 20:30 (one year ago) Permalink
why was will still alive but barb was dead?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:56 (one year ago) Permalink
Will found hiding places
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:57 (one year ago) Permalink
And was incubating the thing
Did she, though? Whenever she was in that black space with the wet floor, she could hone in on already living creatures (people to eavesdrop on), but there's no indication she could ever manifest something into being. She just brought it back out with her.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:36 (one year ago) Permalink
Xps yeah but the monster snatched him, right? So how did he get away?
And how did the monster get the scientist dude in the elevator at the beginning?
― just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:40 (one year ago) Permalink
It came through a hole between the dimensions in the ceiling.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:40 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, it was a bit dodgy that the creature dragged both Barb and Will to the upside down dimension, but somehow Will managed to slip away from it while Barb didn't. But I guess Will is smaller and it was easier for him to hide? The creature didn't seem to have good eyesight, or possibly it was even blind? And Barb was bleeding while Will wasn't, so it couldn't track him by smell.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:43 (one year ago) Permalink
Since there were so many homages to the movie, I'm wondering whether season 2 will be the Aliens to season 1's Alien? The creature couldn't really have taken over a whole planet all by itself, and it was breeding anyway, so we should get multiple monsters next season... Though I'd be more happy if it was more about the mysteries of the upside down dimension in general, I'm not sure if the monster was successfully enough done that it could carry another season.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:48 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, the creature would have to have some amazing backstory for me to be happy with them focusing an entire second season on it.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:09 (one year ago) Permalink
One more interesting thing that wasn't really discussed in the finale: the sheriff pretty much sold out Eleven to save Will, didn't he? He told the bad guys where El and the other kids were hiding, so what happened next was kinda his fault. At first I thought they'd reveal he was faking, that he told the bad guys some false location, but that didn't seem to be the case... Maybe that's why he's bringing food to El at the end (and possibly helping her hide from the men in black?), because he feels guilty about it?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:20 (one year ago) Permalink
feel like we were robbed of epic modine death. but maybe he didn't die...it was too quick. they should have had him talking up against a wall in the school and the monster comes out of the wall and chomps his head off. that's always a good way to do it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:22 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, I didn't really understand that sudden shift in his character. I guess his primary concern was making Joyce's family whole again, all else be damned. I don't know if El is still alive, or if she is, that's she's even in "our" world, but him leaving the Eggo waffles out there makes me think he feels pretty guilty.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:24 (one year ago) Permalink
I've only seen like 2 and some change episodes of this but my early reaction: fuck this show. Have a lot of affection for the things it references, but (or because of that) this feels so pandering, witless, and soulless. Does it do anything interesting in the back half or does it continue emptily jerking off ppl who were kids in the 80s?
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:44 (one year ago) Permalink
i'm an 80's kid who has shrugged and ignored over 5 million 80's revivals and i loved this!
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:49 (one year ago) Permalink
Yeah, the same here. It doesn't really go above and beyond it's inspirations, but IMO it's a solid, intriguing mystery story with mostly good actors and some neat visuals, not just an empty pastiche. The 80s tropes are really just the cake dressing, I would've liked this story even with a present day setting. But if the first 2 episodes haven't convinced you, I can't imagine the rest of it will.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink
one break with 80s form-- the girl who has sex lives and the virgin dies
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:44 (one year ago) Permalink
I was thinking that mustve been deliberate hey?
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:46 (one year ago) Permalink
How do you know she was virgin? Just because she looked geeky?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:47 (one year ago) Permalink
Joyce improved this season too. We knew she was strong but allowing herself to have a boyfriend and the way she cranked the heat on Will made her stronger. Also, because she had a boyfriend we got to see scenes with her being happy.
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 3 November 2017 20:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Yes - both seasons they were great
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 3 November 2017 20:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i like hopper and i understood the pressure of keeping someone hidden and fed for a year(!!), the yelling was just kinda scary to me. like, stop yelling at her, idiot! but it made tons of plot happen so mission accomplished.
― scott seward, Friday, 3 November 2017 20:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i found myself irrationally distracted by worrying about eleven would be able to "clean up" all the broken windows in the cabin, and if hopper had to do it, if he would know how to fix them himself or would need to call in some repair workers.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 3 November 2017 20:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Jim Croce scene was ace.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 November 2017 20:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink
that's because it's the best song ever.
― scott seward, Friday, 3 November 2017 21:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink
There’s a lot going on w that hopper/11 fight because let’s be real Hopper doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against a truly angry 11 and he knows it. 11 knows he cares about her. It’s really a parent and child fighting where one isn’t actually trying to hurt the other
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 3 November 2017 21:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink
parents just getting angry and yelling at kids, even good parents, wasn’t the cultural taboo in the 80s it is now. or I just knew a few angry parents.
― mh, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i think it was more about her past trauma at the hands of a powerful man that made me feel that way. she had lived her entire life indoors, no? i really just wanted her to get out of that cabin.
― scott seward, Saturday, 4 November 2017 14:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink
the motivations were real, totally. the acting was special imo
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 4 November 2017 15:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink
season two: liked, didn't love, substantial step down and i think there were some basically wrong-headed early decisions about how to structure it, what it should be about, and how much it should try to repeat the first one's beats. but i like the characters and i like the cast and the design work/production values are actually a good bit better than last time around, and that carried me past a number of awkward problems which i will be bullet-pointing below amidst other thoughts.
the major problem/difference is that in season one you're watching a mystery get untangled. different characters have different clues and are working on different assumptions and with different methods. when hopper first sneaks inside the spooky lab, we're really curious what he'll find and what will happen. then as unlikely teams form, they compare notes, it all comes together. there's not really anything like that here - everybody already knows each other, and a lot of the time we in the audience have cottoned to what's going on and we're watching the cast slowly catch up with us. meanwhile since there's no one clear obstacle they all need to get over that's driving the plot, New Threats and New Goals get thrown in to keep everybody freaked out and moving around as much as possible. okay, now back to the house! quick, back to the field with the hole in the ground! come in, come in, we need you back at the lab! ....by nature it's going to be more episodic and herky-jerky this way.
* from the moment paul reiser shows up it's like "okay either they're going to just repeat the first season with them starting the evil experiments over again, or the twist is paul reiser, unlike his aliens character, is actually a good guy." for the period where they're trying to make you think the former might happen, it's reeeeal boring. seen it.
* in general i think it would have been smart to make more of a left-turn sequel, get us into a totally different situation, away from the evil government building. i think they were TRYING to do an alien -> aliens shift, but the tone and pacing are way too similar from 1 to 2 for that to work... it's still the same genre, same vibe, same pacing, same soundtrack. the ending of the last one, and the opening scenes of this, had me thinking we'd be getting out of hawkins more, hopper helping the government track down #001-010... i'm just kinda tired of the school and the lab and winona ryder's house.
* "dark knight rises" problem: starting ONE YEAR LATER so the first couple episodes are just laboring to establish a weird new status quo, that's then just going to be undone anyway. telling the el-hopper story in flashback drags this out further. see also jonathan and nancy struggling to convey to us where exactly their friendship ended up in the intervening time. i did ultimately like the hopper/eleven material and it seemed written and acted as a more complex relationship than a lot of the other ones.
* shouldn't jonathan like, get a job or something?
* the new characters were all fine i guess. the kiefer sutherland brother character was SO over the top though. i was into the ridiculousness of that but he's off in his own more cartoonish show. actually there seemed to be more of a struggle with tone and keeping everybody at the same level of realness. and SO much time devoted to building up his thing with steve, just so he can show up and have that one fight and get defeated immediately? reminiscent in a bad way of the all-foreshadow, no-payoff evil husband in It.
* cast is too big and max gets shortchanged. there's a lot of time put into sort of stock scenes of her and mike not getting along and eleven resenting her, but neither of those threads gets a payoff really. no "i change my vote - you're in the party" moment or anything! cut for time? her and lucas worked i guess.
* agreed with all of you, jonathan not recognizing the siouxsie sioux costume is dumb and out of character. he should have been the one person at the party who DID get her costume!
* "kid thinks he's in ET but really he's in Gremlins" is already the plot of Gremlins so the whole Dart thing was kinda dumb imo. cool that dustin got his own thing to do and we saw the kids all working alone for a while and NOT in constant radio communication for once.
* couldn't hopper at least take el on the occasional hike around the cabin? that would have been cute to see. a little more friendly father-child bonding that's not just riding the Eggo gag would have helped.
* el's solo episode doesn't work. really points up how much the show otherwise relies on jumping from thing to thing. you get bored with a single plot like this because it's obvious how it's going to end. and yeah the Invisibles gang members were bad. her sis was cool but seemed way more interesting in the tease at the beginning of the season. turned out to be pretty one-dimensional NO YOU HAVE TO KILL HIM BE EVIL! lame. the stuff with el and her mother worked better. wish we'd gotten more of her and hopper talking through this experience at the end. "oh and i joined a murderous gang!" el is just less interesting when she's dealing with these other characters. it's in-character that she's reticent and blunt, but that doesn't always make for crackling dialogue scenes.
* el closing the gate was awwwwwesome. whole last two eps were great imo.
* haaaaaated the conspiracy-theorist side story. like james skipping town in twin peaks. lot of time burned to accomplish.... what? shoehorning jonathan and nancy back together and getting them out of the way of the overstuffed main plot, i guess. could have been done many other ways.
* the 80s musical cues were much more glaring and embarrasing this time, and certain other things felt especially winky, like the point of a given shot (buono in the bathtub) was to paint an 80s tableau and not to create something that felt like a real lived-in situation. that said, some of the other 'period' stuff rang true for me in the good way. the different families having their different cameras was nice. the kids being pissed at dragon's lair as "overpriced bullshit" was cool.
* i don't understand why the whole school would have stopped wearing costumes? i get the ~feeling~ they're going for of being a kid and not getting the memo but... huh?
* was modine CGI?? he looked terrible and weird and they avoided closeups. it was weird they even used him tbh.
* they should keep casting former child actors. astin was fine and more importantly, if you do have this huge cast of kids, keep putting in people who've been there. have to imagine winona would be a good mentor/pal to the kids she actually shares scenes with.
* not gonna lie - got huge goosebumps when el and mike were reunited, and teary-eyed at the dance ;_;
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 5 November 2017 05:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink
thanks for reading, please rate review and subscribe
I also teared up at the dance. Some of the best parts of the show are when it’s like freaks and geeks
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 5 November 2017 05:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I feel like no one else but me thinks Murray isn't Paul Giamotti but rather Richard Dreyfuss in Jaws...
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 5 November 2017 05:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Everyone in the production and Gelman himself think of him as a Dreyfuss character (based on what was said in the aftershows).
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 5 November 2017 05:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
ok not crazy ty
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 5 November 2017 05:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Finished s2 & found it really enjoyable - lots more genuinely emotional moments in this, and I will admit i cried as soon as they started playing Time After Time at the Snow Ball and didnt stop ;_; <3i think for me i just loved the detail of seeing how far these characters would go for each other, what they’re willing to sacrifice for family, friendship or love - it was fuckin beautiful maaaanI didn’t love Eleven’s city sister, she had a lot of boring clunky dialogue & not much personalityMax’s mullet brother looked like Clayne Crawford from Rectify, it weirded me out. Kinda hot too but not quite I was mostly ok with music & references etc except for one moment:both Mr Veg and I were like “WHOA pump the brakes” when Mullet Bro is getting ready to “Four Horsemen” with a Kill Em All flat on his wall. Dude was not NEARLY dirtbaggy enough for Metallica. He needed a strict camaro rock diet of Styx/Van Halen/Thin Lizzy/Loverboy etc. If he’s down with Metallica he’s on foot. And he’s DEF not putting cologne on his crotch. LOLHis hair looked weird - i wonder if the longer mullet part was a weave or something?
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink
also re: billy i was like
"we need someone who looks like christian slater playing Buffalo Bill"
"I KNOW THIS PERSON"
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah, he was wearing a piece. (The "Beyond Stranger Things" episodes are semi-enlightening, but also a lot of killing time.) xp
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink
my wigdar was going bonkers lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Dude was not NEARLY dirtbaggy enough for Metallica. He needed a strict camaro rock diet of Styx/Van Halen/Thin Lizzy/Loverboy etc. If he’s down with Metallica he’s on foot.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 5 November 2017 12:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink
so funny to see/hear billy in the aftershow interview and he is dreamy brit boy band jared leto without the wig.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 November 2017 15:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink
billy will totally strike back against his evil dad and turn into nice steve in season 3. another ally.
i didn't know jonathan was a brit too. brits really do make the best americans. #rickgrimes4president
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 November 2017 15:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink
another good scene: nancy's drunken "bullshit!" exchange with steve. well-written and well-acted, really felt like one of those arguments where one person's drunker than the other and is basically operating at a different speed, arguing with things that got said two minutes ago or not at all, etc. steve's dickish teenage response also 100% in character.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 5 November 2017 17:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink
yeah that was good
as someone who was a teenager when Dragon's Lair came out, I appreciated that dis and it was accurate
― sleeve, Sunday, 5 November 2017 17:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Trying watching some of the EPK “after show” eps but it seemed pointless fluff and more sub-Entertainment Tonight-y than anything I would have expected Jim Rash to be involved with.
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 6 November 2017 02:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink
just want to join the love for the jim croce scene. that was really sweet. and the kind of depiction of bonding between hopper and el that I'd have loved more of. tho it still beats S1's thing of never showing you winona and will together so you only know their relationship as her freaking out while he's gone.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 November 2017 03:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i groaned audibly when Hopper fired that up lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 November 2017 03:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Had a thought that Billy was an anarchronistic dirtbag by Midwest standards, but maybe not Californian. That would explain why he had Metallica in 1984 as opposed to more trad classic/stadium rock as mentioned above.
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 6 November 2017 06:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink
thought this was fine, not as good as season one but still a lot of fun. the pile-on of 5000 word think pieces overanalysing every scene, and explaining to me how this season is the worst thing in human history is pretty hilarious, but then i guess if you're trying to convince yourself that writing about TV was the correct career choice then you need to dress things up a bit
― jamiesummerz, Monday, 6 November 2017 10:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Did a two evening binge on S2 and enjoyed it.
A minor gripe, I feel that they don't need to be quite as explicit with the references, watching Winona banging the table in front of the doctors had me replaying the same "who are you people!!!' scene from CEOT3K and it's more distracting than pleasing. S2 felt more loaded with specifics like this.
― MaresNest, Monday, 6 November 2017 11:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink
croce choice just seemed totally in character to me, and also - shades of billy joel thread here - I really got the "kid loves music and loves that parent figure is sharing it with them" vibe. sharing music having been an important theme to the jonathan/will thing last season, it was a nice variation this time around.i still wish the kids had more interests btw. last time i wanted to see some passing reference to things besides d&d, x-men and star wars. now it's only d&d. do they read? have hobbies?
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 November 2017 12:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Who needs hobbies when you have demodogs?
― Vas the deferens? (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 November 2017 13:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Billy needed a wig, Rob did nothttps://assets-auto.rbl.ms/05d78a3577c079e5e6bc09e6ce1ccfeab543f4163175e132df8390015a7d02e3
― andrew m., Monday, 6 November 2017 17:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I had a brief debate with my friend who was claiming Steve's haircut was a mullet when it surely was not
the douchebag stepbrother had a mullet for sure
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink
yeah Steve’s is way too long on top & sides to be a mullet.i dunno what it’s called, medium-length feathered? mullet’s got to be short at the sides, even if there’s a bit of length (spikes, curls) on top
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink
the defining mullet feature is that the back has to be longer than the rest of the haircut imo
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink
yeah that too
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I watched a couple of those 'beyond' shows (just a couple, too much shouting) and Steve's hair is just about as foofy irl.
― MaresNest, Monday, 6 November 2017 20:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink
it’s pretty majestic
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i'll read the thread later but just finished this and found this season to be a massive step up over the first one. the plotting in episodes 6/8/9 was roughly as good as anything in their long list of influences.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Doc Casino hit my feelings on this season almost exactly. Most importantly, I thought the cast got too big for them to give everybody time. Max seemed cool but was underdeveloped. Mike, ostensibly the main character in S1, was barely given anything this season. The El episode was an interesting idea that ended up being quite boring. Again, underdeveloped supporting characters
But there was lots to like as well. Liked the storylines for Dustin and Lucas and Will. Liked the intensity of the last two episodes and the Ball scene. Hope that poor Will is not the victim next season - we've barely seen what his real personality is
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 01:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i liked this but agree it wasn't as good as s1. the chicago stuff was stupid and boring.
one scene i found hilarious even tho it was sort of frivolous and unnecessary was the douche stepbrother calling around to mike's house and the mom getting out of the bath, with donna summer soundtracking it. there was something brilliant about that scene even if it wasn't at home with the rest of the show.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink
also whoever said he turns good next season is so otm. setting up the evil dad etc is a clear sign of that. i was surprised he didn't turn good this season by helping them fight something, i thought it was all set up for that.
am i the only one disappointed we didn't really see the huge tentacled monster? like apart from in dream sequences and for a split-second at the end. felt a bit strange it didn't feature in any battle at all.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink
i was disappointed! seemed kinda weird actually. i thought it would try to claw its way out of the gate. meanwhile, what do Lovecraft fans think of this show?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink
nah that was a cool variation imo, much more interesting as a malevolent shadowy presence trying to push through the gate than as whatever flower-faced thing it would have turned out to be in full sunlight.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Just your periodic reminder that humans are a plague!
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 November 2017 13:52 (one week ago) Permalink
ugh, that's depressing.
― how's life, Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:14 (one week ago) Permalink
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:38 (one week ago) Permalink