A thread for Stranger Things, the "Goonies meets X-Files" new Netflix series (with SPOILERS!)

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There was already some discussion on it on the general Netflix thread, but IMO it deserves a thread of it's own. And it's nicer for people who've watched the first season to discuss it here without needing to avoid spoilers.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:30 (three years ago) link

IMO the whole 80s nostalgia felt kinda gratuitous at first, but of course as an 80s kid I also enjoyed, and I really thought all those signifiers helped people ease into the whole Goonies/E.T. vibe the makers were clearly aiming for... The whole idea that something mysterious and weird is lurking right behind the boring everyday life in a small town, but it doesn't go fully into David Lynch style cruel & adult suburban horror, I liked how the tone was always kept safe enough that actual kids around the same age as the kid protagonists could enjoy it.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:35 (three years ago) link

Also, of course the whole commie paranoia aspect worked pretty nicely with the 80s setting, it had enough distance to real-world issues of today that it didn't feel like they were exploiting real fears to produce family entertainment, which might have been the case if the series was set in the present day, applying present day paranoias (like the fear of terrorism).

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:38 (three years ago) link

And of course the setting allowed them to avoid some plot problems that might've risen if it was set in a time period where cell phones and the internet are commonly available.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:39 (three years ago) link

As for follow-up seasons, Johnny Fever posted this in the other thread:

Just watched an interview with the producers who say if Netflix grants Stranger Things additional seasons that it's not going to be an anthology series like American Horror Story or Fargo; they're going to base it around the same characters in the same approximate time—which, if you've made it all the way to episode 8, seems hard to believe. But I'm on board.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), 17. heinäkuuta 2016 10:53 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IMO the follow-up is pretty easy to make with all the clues they set up in the final episode. Most importantly, it's heavily implied that Eleven didn't die but was transported to the upside down world. Her body isn't found, and Hopper is leaving Eggos (her favourite food) to the forest where we know the wall between the two world is pretty weak. And Hopper himself seems to be involved in some kind of X-Files work now, what with the men in black seemingly recruiting him at the end of the episode.

And then of course there's the baby monster Danny coughs out, which was the most obvious setup for the next season. And we still don't what happened to the upside down dimension... Since it has the same buildings as the "real" world, it seems it was once inhabited by humans, so what happened to them and why is it now infested with monsters? Seems like there's a lot of material still left to explore in a new season, I'm all for it.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:47 (three years ago) link

Sorry, I meant to write Will, not Danny.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:55 (three years ago) link

Am I the only one who felt casting Modine here was completely pointless? The three or four scenes where he got to actually do something could've been done by pretty much any second string TV actor, he never felt really threatening or anything.

Ryder was pretty good on the other hand, though her role was pretty one-note, it mostly went along the old "hysterical mother eventually finds the strength to face the monster" trope, a la Shelley Duvall in The Shining. Interested to see whether she gets to do more in a second season. The sheriff guy's "young John C. Reilly" impression and Eleven's intense innocence were the best bits of the show, acting-wise. Would totally watch a show revolving around those two only.

Frodo and the other three hobbits were all okay, but kinda interchangeable. The kid playing Sam was clearly the best, or at least he got the funniest snarky lines. Hope the second season elevates him beyond the comic relief role he mostly had in this one.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 12:23 (three years ago) link

It's not like Modine is getting top billing jobs anymore, so his casting seemed appropriate. Also, they might be able to young him down a little bit if there are flashbacks in the future.

The only—ONLY—thing I found disappointing was the monster's design. Seems those featureless "venus fly trap" faces are so commonplace now. And while they do sufficiently creep me out, I guess I was expecting a better reveal.

I though all of the kids were amazing, even the teens. All the adults too. Nancy and Michael's dad was so exquisitely one-note and aloof.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:18 (three years ago) link

Eleven's mother was the woman the chief and Winona went to go visit, yes? The story about the miscarriage seems like something that would have been used to cover up just literally stealing a baby.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:19 (three years ago) link

Yeah, agree that the monster was disappointing and too "common horror creature" looking... They shouldn't have shown it properly at all, or it should've been truly faceless or something.

One interesting thing that was barely touched: it seemed like the Demogorgon wasn't really a "monster" per se, just an animal looking for something to eat? Even the creepy things done to Barb and others seemed to be just to provide food for its growing young. It felt like they could've gotten more out of the fact that Modine's character was the one real monster, but that wasn't really explored.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:24 (three years ago) link

Eleven's mother was the woman the chief and Winona went to go visit, yes? The story about the miscarriage seems like something that would have been used to cover up just literally stealing a baby.

Yeah, that seemed to be case. At first I feared they were gonna reveal Eleven was the sheriff's girl who didn't die after all, but thankfully they didn't go there, that would've been too appropriate.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:25 (three years ago) link

I was waiting for them to reveal that Will was really the biological son of the sheriff

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:28 (three years ago) link

Also, I felt kinda bad for Barb and her family. So much of the show revolved around Will and how sad her disappearance made everyone, but at least he was saved! Barb's mom was shown in exactly one scene, and we never saw if her family even found out what really happened to her. In most cases I thought Stranger Things managed to avoid the worst cliches of the '80s movies it was emulating, but here it felt that because Barb was so clearly the "attractive teen girl protagonist's not-so-attractive best sidekick", her fate could just be hand-waved with barely any mention.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:32 (three years ago) link

I was waiting for them to reveal that Will was really the biological son of the sheriff

Wasn't it said that the sheriff had been in town for only 4 years?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (three years ago) link

And that he used to work in some bigger city before that? Probably lost that job because of the trauma of her daughter's death.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (three years ago) link

details

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:33 (three years ago) link

I think it was implied that he's only been back in town for four years.

As for Barb, I thought it was a pity she just ended up as story fodder in the end, but maybe her parents still believe she ran away?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:35 (three years ago) link

Maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall one of the deputies asking the sheriff whether it was like this in the big city, or something like that?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:36 (three years ago) link

One thing that's been bugging me, and it's definitely not ruining the story for me in any way, is that if the gate to the Upside Down was only opened by Eleven recently, what was the creature feeding on before it could get topside?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (three years ago) link

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Can't imagine the sheriff not telling her parents that she died, even if he wouldn't/couldn't tell all the details.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:37 (three years ago) link

xp Yeah, I think he grew up in Hawkins, moved away to Indianapolis, and then moved back after his daughter died and his marriage dissolved.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:38 (three years ago) link

One thing that's been bugging me, and it's definitely not ruining the story for me in any way, is that if the gate to the Upside Down was only opened by Eleven recently, what was the creature feeding on before it could get topside?

Well like I said above, since the upside down world had all the same buildings as the real world, the implication seems to have been that it was once a normal parallel world that was inhabited by people, possibly parallel versions of the people in the real world. But then something had happened and the creature(s) had infested the world and eaten everyone there.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:39 (three years ago) link

xpost They seemed to be setting something up, with the sheriff asking if Will was gay in this weird way. And the other cops saying he used to sleep with Winona.

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:40 (three years ago) link

And presumably the backstory of the upside down world will be explored more in the next season? Especially if Eleven is now stuck there.

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Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:41 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I guess they could still reveal him to be Will's father. But that'd mean he was having an affair with her while he had a wife and daughter, not sure if they want to go there?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:42 (three years ago) link

We're going to need a full character chronology to sort this out

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:43 (three years ago) link

Joyce and Hopper probably have some kind of ties back to high school, because he seemed to have some weird relationship with Lonnie (competition, disdain, something).

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:49 (three years ago) link

This was like the perfect blend of Spielberg and Stephen king

Was that a hatched egg hopper stopped to look at when they were in the upside-down?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:30 (three years ago) link

I thought so. Nice Alien reference.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:32 (three years ago) link

I wasn't sure, not after will choked out that baby slug

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:43 (three years ago) link

I imagine the snakey thing that Hopper pulled out of Will's throat hatched from the egg, then left a little creature thingy inside him to do...what? Who knows.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 19:46 (three years ago) link

Eleven is the monster, guys

i.e. she created it

Number None, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 20:30 (three years ago) link

why was will still alive but barb was dead?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:56 (three years ago) link

Will found hiding places

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:57 (three years ago) link

And was incubating the thing

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 21:57 (three years ago) link

i.e. she created it

Did she, though? Whenever she was in that black space with the wet floor, she could hone in on already living creatures (people to eavesdrop on), but there's no indication she could ever manifest something into being. She just brought it back out with her.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:36 (three years ago) link

Xps yeah but the monster snatched him, right? So how did he get away?

And how did the monster get the scientist dude in the elevator at the beginning?

just1n3, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 23:40 (three years ago) link

It came through a hole between the dimensions in the ceiling.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:40 (three years ago) link

Yeah, it was a bit dodgy that the creature dragged both Barb and Will to the upside down dimension, but somehow Will managed to slip away from it while Barb didn't. But I guess Will is smaller and it was easier for him to hide? The creature didn't seem to have good eyesight, or possibly it was even blind? And Barb was bleeding while Will wasn't, so it couldn't track him by smell.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:43 (three years ago) link

Since there were so many homages to the movie, I'm wondering whether season 2 will be the Aliens to season 1's Alien? The creature couldn't really have taken over a whole planet all by itself, and it was breeding anyway, so we should get multiple monsters next season... Though I'd be more happy if it was more about the mysteries of the upside down dimension in general, I'm not sure if the monster was successfully enough done that it could carry another season.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 06:48 (three years ago) link

Yeah, the creature would have to have some amazing backstory for me to be happy with them focusing an entire second season on it.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:09 (three years ago) link

One more interesting thing that wasn't really discussed in the finale: the sheriff pretty much sold out Eleven to save Will, didn't he? He told the bad guys where El and the other kids were hiding, so what happened next was kinda his fault. At first I thought they'd reveal he was faking, that he told the bad guys some false location, but that didn't seem to be the case... Maybe that's why he's bringing food to El at the end (and possibly helping her hide from the men in black?), because he feels guilty about it?

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 07:20 (three years ago) link

feel like we were robbed of epic modine death. but maybe he didn't die...it was too quick. they should have had him talking up against a wall in the school and the monster comes out of the wall and chomps his head off. that's always a good way to do it.

scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:22 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't really understand that sudden shift in his character. I guess his primary concern was making Joyce's family whole again, all else be damned. I don't know if El is still alive, or if she is, that's she's even in "our" world, but him leaving the Eggo waffles out there makes me think he feels pretty guilty.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:24 (three years ago) link

I've only seen like 2 and some change episodes of this but my early reaction: fuck this show. Have a lot of affection for the things it references, but (or because of that) this feels so pandering, witless, and soulless. Does it do anything interesting in the back half or does it continue emptily jerking off ppl who were kids in the 80s?

circa1916, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:44 (three years ago) link

i'm an 80's kid who has shrugged and ignored over 5 million 80's revivals and i loved this!

scott seward, Thursday, 21 July 2016 15:49 (three years ago) link

Yeah, the same here. It doesn't really go above and beyond it's inspirations, but IMO it's a solid, intriguing mystery story with mostly good actors and some neat visuals, not just an empty pastiche. The 80s tropes are really just the cake dressing, I would've liked this story even with a present day setting. But if the first 2 episodes haven't convinced you, I can't imagine the rest of it will.

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:41 (three years ago) link

one break with 80s form-- the girl who has sex lives and the virgin dies

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:44 (three years ago) link

I was thinking that mustve been deliberate hey?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:46 (three years ago) link

How do you know she was virgin? Just because she looked geeky?

Tuomas, Thursday, 21 July 2016 17:47 (three years ago) link

Suzy's a dick, if she hadn't insisted on singing, shit would have gone down much sooner.

MaresNest, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:03 (six days ago) link

I think she pretty reasonably assumed Dustin was just fucking around, they both clearly have rich fantasy lives

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 15 July 2019 14:06 (six days ago) link

which ties into another weird aspect to this series...do people outside Hawkins have any clue what's going on? do the people *in* the town even know? there's that post-credits sequence which implies that the whole incident turns into a weird conspiracy theory for late-night TV but that seems a bit inadequate to me...didn't the Mind Flayer gather up like 100 people, including several children who are all dead now? wasn't there a skyscraper-sized monster running around town for a few nights? did the massive Russian base under the mall just get ignored by everybody?

frogbs, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:37 (six days ago) link

Zombies! Hyena people! Snyder!!

oscar bravo, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:46 (six days ago) link

ok what makes sense to me now is that the Russians motivations were not so much about unleashing nightmare creatures as they were a way to send people from Russia to America undetected? explains how Hopper wound up in Russia I guess.

frogbs, Monday, 15 July 2019 18:55 (six days ago) link

In MY country, GATE closes YOU!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:03 (six days ago) link

oh god S4 is gonna have El rescue Hop through the gate while saying something like "keep the door 3 inches open", I just know it

frogbs, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:05 (six days ago) link

gotta admit i got bored and wandered off somewhere around the TRUTH SERUM... can't really imagine coming back for more

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:34 (six days ago) link

I watched the second episode of this season

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 July 2019 20:54 (six days ago) link

btw I should clarify, nothing bothered me about the truth serum bit. that’s just the last thing I remember lol.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 15 July 2019 21:01 (six days ago) link

was really struck by the depth of characterizations, the creative production design, the tightly plotted ratcheting up of tension, the recontextualization and reinvention of classic tropes from a new perspective

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 July 2019 21:11 (six days ago) link

That’s supposed to be MDMA right? Was that around in 85?

frogbs, Monday, 15 July 2019 21:11 (six days ago) link

MDMA has been around since the early 20th century

but I don't think it was supposed to be MDMA

Number None, Monday, 15 July 2019 21:39 (six days ago) link

finished tonight, show continues to be insanely watchable and very silly if you spend even one minute thinking about it after it's over. it looked great and a lot of the action scenes were really well done. they have an amazing cast that just keeps getting better. the steve/robin chemistry was so good.

and i won't remember a thing that happened by the time season 4 starts up.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 01:09 (five days ago) link

Yeah Steve/Robin was the best thing in the series so far

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 01:21 (five days ago) link

Even if all the rest of these meanies are gonna pretend to ignore it, I'll admit that I noticed your pass-agg performative bitching, shakes, don't worry, we didn't forget that you hate things

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 02:54 (five days ago) link

shakey thank you for consistently delivering dramatic tension

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 04:48 (five days ago) link

I am prehistoric, but I can't help but think that the mall fight would have been more impressive looking with a non-CGI monster and actual pyrotechnics.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:41 (five days ago) link

MDMA was definitely around in '85 and being discussed seriously as a drug used in psychotherapy. I think they just lazily invented a mixture of MDMA and sodium pentothal because the side effects of an SP overdose aren't fun.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:45 (five days ago) link

Non-Stop Ecstastic Dancing from 1982 famously inspired and made under the influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_Stop_Ecstatic_Dancing

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 11:17 (five days ago) link

one thing that I noticed this season is that the spooky title sequence which fit so well in S1 just feels goofy now, the series now is basically The Goldbergs + some Russians and a big ass spider

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 12:58 (five days ago) link

xp: so was Meat Puppets II (1984)

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:12 (five days ago) link

We just finished this last night. At this point, I've come to mostly just expect some spooks, some laughs, a dece cast that I enjoy watching, and a shitload of frothy retro pop cultural nods, all wrapped up in a sleek visual style. So I wasn't disappointed. Stuff like Hopper's letter at the end and Steve's evolving relationships (and just the evolution of Steve in general) are icing on the cake.

THAT SAID: while I contented myself last season with the likelihood that they weren't planning on stretching their supernatural wings beyond whatever's going on with the Upside Down and its monstrous inhabitants, we're now three seasons in with all those crazy goings-on but without much fleshing out of the premise. Like, cool, this particular bubble of weirdness is going to be the focus of the show, but could we maybe explore that bubble a little more? We have basically no better understanding of what this shit-crazy dimension is or why people are trying to access it or what interest its denizens have in our world than we did at the start of the series. If the next season is just about everyone running away from a hundred foot tall Demogorgon/Mindflayer hybrid, I might start turning into shakey.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:26 (five days ago) link

It might be better not to. When mysterious fantastical things are explained they lose their magic and wonder.

Let me tell you about midi-chlorians...

Evan, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:39 (five days ago) link

yeah it's weird why would you want to learn more?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:44 (five days ago) link

I don't need the nature of the weirdness to be explained, I'd just like the reasons for people dabbling in the weirdness or the weirdness encroaching into the real world to be a little more complex than 'because'.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:45 (five days ago) link

Maybe they'll published a novelization where they flesh out details

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:47 (five days ago) link

well, if you found a scab on the surface of reality you would pick at it, wouldn't you?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:35 (five days ago) link

yeah it's a bit weird they don't expand on it at all since I felt like S1 explained just enough to make it spooky but not enough that it would be bogged down in making no sense whatsoever. like...it's an opposite world or 'shadow realm' in which all our physical structures exist (there was a Castle Byers in the Upside Down right?) but the only way beings in there can effect the real world is through electrical pulses, or something? wasn't there a scene in S1 where a gorgon hand started pushing through the wall? and a random portal in a tree that Nancy got sucked into for a small while? idk I kinda feel the writers didn't exactly think about this a whole lot so maybe it's foolish to speculate too much

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:36 (five days ago) link

I am 100% okay with depictions of the inexplicable, but when there's a variety of shady parties in the narrative who seem to have gleaned something explicable about the 'inexplicable', there's only so much longer you can continue to depict the 'inexplicable' as inexplicable before it ceases to be narratively satisfying.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:44 (five days ago) link

I kinda feel the writers didn't exactly think about this a whole lot

plenty of evidence that not a lot of thought went into this show. You want a Netflix 80s pastiche that had some thought put into it, watch GLOW.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:52 (five days ago) link

do they explain what is ladies?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:58 (five days ago) link

they are gorgeous QED

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:00 (five days ago) link

Just starting the third season (intentionally avoided this thread the last few weeks). I liked the Fast Times at Ridgemont High inversion but not a whole lot else in the first episode. I remember the sheriff was starting to grate on me towards the end of the second season, and he now seems to have officially taken over from the early Lucas (he got better) as the show's most annoying malcontent. Winona Ryder's still good.

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:03 (four days ago) link

After finishing S3 i really like Billy, and Steve & Robin. At least those characters were the most memorable for me. Billy’s “Moving In Stereo” scene was so great

https://media.giphy.com/media/uTBMqJFIrLU8BuWHnc/giphy.gif

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:11 (three days ago) link

When the two girls are in the mall and poke their heads around a corner in the second episode, where's that image taken from? Is it Desperately Seeking Susan?

clemenza, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:22 (three days ago) link

...they repeat the image next episode with Dustin and the ex-boyfriend. Driving me crazy trying to place it.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:03 (three days ago) link

I would watch a show of Steve and Robin working in a video store and solving mysteries.

Yerac, Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:52 (three days ago) link

I am putting in my formal request for them to do a series arc that is an homage to Electric Dreams (keeping up with the Giorgio Moroder).

Yerac, Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:53 (three days ago) link

I feel like the evolution of Steve can largely be chalked up to the realization that they made a huge mistake in casting Joe Keery in the role of an unlikeable jerk.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 July 2019 12:59 (three days ago) link

I would watch a show of Steve and Robin working in a video store and solving mysteries.

Yes, except I would like them to somehow continue wearing the sailor uniforms.

trishyb, Thursday, 18 July 2019 13:04 (three days ago) link

Bloodhound Gang remake. Erica in it too obv.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:43 (three days ago) link

Saw some of the new season at a friend's, having skipped s2. They sure leaned into making Hopper incredibly brash and annoying, huh

Simon H., Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:00 (three days ago) link

I think he was just overacting.

Evan, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:04 (three days ago) link

"American Pie" was close to great...I've progressively lost interest in the monster (in all its various incarnations), otherwise I wouldn't equivocate.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2019 22:44 (two days ago) link

Winona looks so much like Harry Dean Stanton in her Russian uniform. I can’t unsee it.

Mule, Friday, 19 July 2019 23:34 (two days ago) link

Leave Winona alone

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 July 2019 00:07 (yesterday) link

Obviously I’m very sorry

Mule, Saturday, 20 July 2019 00:24 (yesterday) link

love this season, all the Steve and Robin stuff was A+, I loved how he deftly turned the "reveal" into a friendly debate about the hotness of her crush

not so keen on the "Russians as villains" arc that they seem to be setting up for S4

the monster was better when it was a creepy gooey crawling pile of partly dissolved rats and flesh, once it gained a form it was a cartoon

Skip Spence None the Richer (sleeve), Saturday, 20 July 2019 00:29 (yesterday) link


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