Male culture

We do also live in a culture that sometimes celebrates violence, full stop. And yes, most violence is carried out by men. But the celebration is not overtly of the masculine properties of violence, it's of violence as a neat and unanswerable way to achieve a goal.

Andrea Dworkin: [insert, er, i mean, organically, envelopingly, supportively and nurturingly append appropriate dworkinism]
Chris Moyles:whatever you say love [behaves exactly as AD describes...]

So now it's just glib and self-consciously masculine masculine misbehaviour...

Not to mention lad culture in the 90s prompted a lot of the re- examination of the father-son relationship that's been going on, which is pretty urgent and key. And there is a lot to admire in the toughness of 'traditional' masculinity, too.

And some of it - adoration of petty crims, routine denigration of women, anti-intellectualism - is bad. Probably lots more too.

And some of it - the sex stuff, mostly, I'm really not sure about. Because being honest and open about liking sex is better than not, but you have to have the space to be honest and open about the stuff you don't like, too, and LOADED etc. isn't that space.

So can the good stuff in male culture be separated from the bad?

To answer Tom's last question -- separated? Doubtful -- but the good stuff celebrated for what it is, certainly. A large part of me thinks it's all down to good manners in the end.

Main prob with New Man-ism was its old- skool fam.val het orthodoxy (not a jibe at you Billy): the interesting jag in New Laddism is its tentative flirtation with elements in Queer Culture, New Lad/Ladette bonding trying to feel out towards a Happy Fuck- Buddy Equality-Autonomy...

OK, I know it's easy to shoot this down. But I think it's there, in among all the obviously rubbish stuff.

Destroy: overpriced drinks.

Largin' it sexually, maybe, but at the same keeping it quite strictured emotionally: pretending free-and-easy neverc has a pay- off. Fuck and to and still be pals: you did it, you didn't, what's the diff? Equal opportunity banter abt fancying, shagging, what you did, and how you walked away, no worries. Which I might add is an illusion in QueerCult too, but an much easier one to sustain. Or more necessary (collectively) to sustain. Does this make sense?

Kerry: good pt abt Dworkin, and yes, she is a bit too EASY-LAZY an icon of "feminist error", and misleading because SO one-note. Her "laddism" was not the aspect of her I had in mind, so much as her assumption of total male irredeemability. But maybe they are not so unconnected anyway?

(Anthony, I did not mean to bully you: but who can argue with brownies?)

Except except except except: except look wo its role models are and wonder why it comes not about quite yet

Lad-ladette culture = torn between mimicry (admiration) and homophobia (envy).

beards

i dunno, some food i guess

probably watchin somethin or listenin to something, or reading a book or a magazine

wearing clothes

having teeth

blinking in order to keep ones eyes moist

the awareness of oneself as separate to say for instance the floor or that couch

otm

taut alertness at the scent of prey

bloodlust

swords def swords, things made out of metal that signal danger, shaped like a phallus if it can at all be hinted

posts very male in culture

noticing any of the above and being troubled

scared now

unsure.

one paw out but not quite....touching

lol nashwan

to kill ones father and to shake his head at his advancing enemies, pleading that it suffice

Unruly nostril hair.

the way you imagine nixon smelled

clothes that dont touch anywhere

the carving of a space with every stride, word, keystroke, thrust yes

Do non-American men have beards?

no never

only american taco trucks

Just checking, thanks.

xp

some mayo women mind

Counterpoint

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/a0gzj67A7ASl.jpg

I once heard un-American men have beards as well, still waiting for confirmation.

ugh beards

https://www2.b3ta.com/fp-archive/host/8680997-1.jpg

cute little trucks
anti-dog spray
knowing everyone on your route
friendly card at Christmas

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/00/26/ed00267f0a46a67f277b9ab14b0a8575.jpg

Assange.

man bags, bags for men

saying i'll have to think about that and then not thinking about it

implements with which to kill butcher and grill animals in the man bag

xp yeah, good

but yknow probably meaning it at the time maybe too?

'i'll have the last slice if nobody else wants it'

the fear of missing a turn eating into your ability to behave like a human on any new journey every turn nearer the end destination merely a banked missed disaster raising the stakes turn down the fucking radio i cant think

to be bought things like slippers that chide you slyly into domesticity but to soothe the disquiet by eating somewhere concrete and wooden

shorts are tshirt pants

Cultivating friendliness towards one's spider housemates.

....

the way you imagine nixon smelled

finding this post particularly upsetting tbh

A heady comingling of Prep H and pine air fresheners, surely.

its a rorschach smell test for sure

Teed that up for you, didn't I.

lookit as well criticise newton because relativity was already there waiting to be uncovered

anti-dog spray

hahahaa

nixon smale culture

TS: smell of Nixon vs. smell of Stone's Nixon back tat