Star Trek: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

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Might as well give it its own thread. We got teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpPweAooeE

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Huh! I assumed it would be on the CW.

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Nah, CBS is going all in to build their own private Hulu, and this show is going to be anchor for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Ugh I could not even watch that trailer - I guess I am too old.

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Capt. Mads Mikkelsen or bust.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:15 (one year ago) Permalink

fingers crossed but I am skeptical

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:26 (one year ago) Permalink

hoping they'll go for mostly single-episode plots like old treks rather than just make another serial like every other major tv series these days

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:28 (one year ago) Permalink

TV seems to have lost their touch - its all been downhill since Picard gave Mr Data his last rimjob

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:30 (one year ago) Permalink

I've thought for a while that taking the "Far Beyond the Stars" conceit as real would've been amazing, though not exactly sustainable on a series-wide basis (i.e. that would've been a much better DS9 finale than what we got).

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:31 (one year ago) Permalink

what does the startrekman have to say about all this

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:32 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

time to merge star trek and star wars and add in ALF

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Hmm, well Paramount will probably sell the Trek to Disney once they are finally able to admit to themselves the glaringly-obvious fact that they're embarrassed to own the property, and I'm pretty sure ALF is a Muppet, so I think this has legs.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:52 (one year ago) Permalink

you dont think wb would buy trek to keep the wb/disney battle going on a new front?

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Interesting proposal, I look forward to the WB Trek movie where Spock drives an axe through Kirk's spinal column for no particular good reason other than that it's totally dark + extreme to the max.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:18 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

I think they may reenvision ALF as CGI

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:15 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

...looks like I should edit the thread title

http://tvline.com/2016/10/26/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-showrunner-stepping-down/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 22:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh great another Kurtzman-Goldsman joint. Because they did such a great job with Fringe.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:42 (one year ago) Permalink

akiva goldsman's continued success is one of life's great mysteries

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:58 (one year ago) Permalink

oh c'mon, s2-4ish of Fringe were pretty good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:09 (one year ago) Permalink

this is weird to me. why would fuller walk away from this because he 'doesn't have time'? clearly something must have been going wrong.

akm, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I hear he wants to spend more time with his family.

Wikipedia Brown and the Case of the Incomplete Filmography (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:27 (one year ago) Permalink

season 3 of fringe was pretty good. then kurtzman & orci demanded a dumb cliffhanger and the show never recovered.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Trek has always had a mix of inspired weirdos and hacks, I feel like it benefits from that.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Fuller's working on at least two other tv series, including American Gods. If the Paramount people kept meddling and were an irritating presence, it'd be a good reason to bail.

mh 😏, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:00 (one year ago) Permalink

He's still writing/plotting at least

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/14/13962170/star-trek-discovery-lead-walking-dead

Sonequa Martin-Green will play the lead (the XO of Discovery).

Should we change this thread title?

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I'm not going to believe this show is happening until there's an actual pilot date.

Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Should we change this thread title?
to:
Sasha Deathwatch

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It's funny how much she looks like a younger Angela Bassett who had been tipped to be in the series.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:27 (eleven months ago) Permalink

wasn't there a rumor they were doing an anthology series with a different timeframe/cast each season? hmm.

mh 😏, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Well this is still taking forever. I will however happily back this:

https://tvline.com/2017/03/31/star-trek-discovery-rainn-wilson-harry-mudd-cbs-all-access/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol I watched the original Mudd ep the other night w my daughter and the entire time I was distracted by the highly visible shaving line all around Carmel's neck.

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Fucking hell it's tomorrow

I have concerns but I really *want* it to be good

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 September 2017 17:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:02 (one month ago) Permalink

It's on Netflix in the UK and a bunch of other countries

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:22 (one month ago) Permalink

A few reviews have slipped through the embargo and been decent

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:23 (one month ago) Permalink

This should be worth a flyer just for more Michelle Yeoh.

Insane Clown Fosse (Leee), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I misunderstood: CBS is only airing the first half of the two hour pilot on actual TV. Fun idea.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

If they streamed it only on the CBS app but allowed digital purchases on amazon, itunes, etc. it'd make more sense. but, afaik, they are making it only available on the CBS app

so irritating, I'd shell out for the entire season purchase even if it trickles out a week at a time as per usual

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:48 (one month ago) Permalink

i'll probably wait until next year and stream the whole season then. or find "other ways" that will appear soon, i'm sure

Nhex, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:00 (one month ago) Permalink

I just did the free CBS trial on my tv device, but I guess it doesn't air until tonight? boo

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:22 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

― Señor Winces (Old Lunch)

yeah i mean i know game of thrones seems to do ok and all but i'm not sure why directly adopting a piracy-based business model is cbs's schtick here

anyway when the streaming service fails they'll probably just toss it to another streaming service. doesn't necessarily doom the show.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Phase II - proposed for Paramount Television Service, a fourth US network
Voyager (1995-2001), Enterprise (2001-2005) - designed to support UPN (1995-2006)

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:56 (one month ago) Permalink

nice ship -- too bad they haven't invented probes yet and have to send their first officer into lethal radiation

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:00 (one month ago) Permalink

this was fun but fuck CBS for making me watch a thousand NAVY SEALS promos and then asking for money to keep watching

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:15 (one month ago) Permalink

points for having the main plot thread be about a black woman trying to tell everybody "no really, they're going to kill all of us" and being shouted down

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:17 (one month ago) Permalink

cbs has consistently been tightassed with digital access to its programming since the tv-web boom, it's annoying

j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Enjoying this!

First question: how can I get one of those dope uniforms

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 04:42 (one month ago) Permalink

We signed up for free trial - canceled after 2nd ep & got a month free so 4 more episodes

But seriously $6 for 1 original show and commercials is a joke. $10 if you want commercial free? Eat a dick

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:20 (one month ago) Permalink

you only have to pay cbs if you don't know about bittorrent

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 30 October 2017 21:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I love Tilly so much

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 00:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I rewatched the last episode before the current one and paused for a second at the "eugenics experiment" line before realizing, holy shit, they just casually violated the Federation's directive on eugenics with this warp drive thing, for real. Can't wait to see some more fun freakouts from our resident spore man.

mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 14:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

isco! disco disco!

just what I have running through my head every time I see them in the shirts, although I'm trying to place the sample

LOL I think I know the song you mean, at least I know it in a song with loads of horns and funky backbeat... maybe bronx dogs or something.

Why were people thinking Ash is suspicious? IDGI.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 23:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

avalanches 'close to you'?

lorca's argument for ruling ash out as a spy is invalid
the name of voq's actor is not a real person

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 23:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also:

Voq was supposed to lose "everything," which being turned into Ash would satisfy, presumably.
We haven't seen Voq since Ash debuted.
We saw a Tribble in Lorca's ready room, and Tribbles are Klingon detectors -- Chekhov's Gun.

Potato Wave (Leee), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 00:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He knows Klingon fighting moves, was a captive of theirs for way too long, was clearly passing info from conversations to the Klingons. Voq was convinced to go train with the Klingon spies in a prior episode.

I think it’s just as likely the producers planted the fake actor details as a trail of suspicion and all those points are to throw us on a fake trail, though

mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 02:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh ok all this time I was "who tf is Voq". The albino klingon? I think that whole storyline kind of went over my head tbh haha. I find the horrible subtitle font hard to follow so I zone out.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 02:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they should have put it in Papyrus to really make me tune out

mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 02:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm definitely leaning towards this theory as misdirection at this point, the writers aren't satisfied with one twist, they're aiming for a twist on a twist.

Potato Wave (Leee), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 06:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

His actions don’t really make sense to me in this last episode if he’s a secret Klingon. Surely no intel is worth more than the spore drive.

Mordy, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

disco! disco disco!

just what I have running through my head every time I see them in the shirts, although I'm trying to place the sample

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyz6_UagA

groovypanda, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp long game, he'll show his stripes once he's arranged a few accidents and is commander of the science fleet

mh, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 14:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i just don’t enjoy it and i am getting more and more annoyed that they called it Star Trek when it has so little to do with that world ... i can’t get past it

Hey I enjoyed this last episode more than 90% of Voyager episodes that I've seen!

Potato Wave (Leee), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought the timeloop thing was very trek!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 23:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no Q people, thankfully

mh, Thursday, 2 November 2017 01:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

After some iffy episodes, the last three were all very solid. I'm enjoying watching the characters/acting/writing evolve and find their sweet spots. It's clearly better than Voyager and Enterprise at this point.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I am surprised that the last 2 episodes were made by the same crew that made the early ones. Much better -- but why did they make the early ones so badly?

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 2 November 2017 16:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They don't know how to depict an antagonistic alien race well?

Potato Wave (Leee), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah the Klingons are the weak spot
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And I don't really like the production design... somehow it looks cheaper than TNG even though the effects are 6000% better.

But I'm really enjoying it and so are my Trekkie family. The supporting cast are growing on me - it's the "gang" sensibility that's the most important part of Star Trek to me, rather than the continuity or relative lightness/darkness/whatnot

Also the last two eps were fucking dorky as hell which is exactly how I like my Trek

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 2 November 2017 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

remanding a dude who just killed you 60 times over to the custody of his prospective father-in-law is indeed dorky as hell

mookieproof, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Even if it doesn't feel Star Trekky, I'm getting into it. A big part of the non-Trek feel is stuff like Tilly's convos with Michael and Michael's feelings toward Ash that previous shows never dealt with in the same way - it feels more modern and personal in that sense.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 3 November 2017 01:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the klingons are tedious, lorca is insanely over-the-top and suru is mostly annoying (though i guess he gets his this weekend). i like tilly in small doses and stamets in slightly larger doses

i suppose i keep watching because burnham/martin-green are awesome, apart from the voiceovers/monologues. her predicament isn't entirely reasonable, but it's interesting, and i hope they don't wreck it

mookieproof, Friday, 3 November 2017 02:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Tilly is awful. xoxo

jamiesummerz, Friday, 3 November 2017 12:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If we really do get a season 2, I might revisit this.

Millsner, Friday, 3 November 2017 15:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Already renewed.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 3 November 2017 16:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In spite of all the p!racy? That's impressive.

Potato Wave (Leee), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, both this and Orville got renewed, didn’t they?

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/rLF9GZl_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Dorky enough for trek

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 4 November 2017 01:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In Star Trek TOS they broke ground by having non-white Anglo ethnicities on the bridge. We’ve had aliens and androids through theough the other series. Now with Tilly we have regular shaped human beings (later TOS movies notwithstanding)

Still can’t deal with Clem Fandango as head of security or deadmau5 arriving by spacewhale.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 6 November 2017 10:13 (one week ago) Permalink

I suppose this one was mainly set-up for the next episode? Two things going on, but neither went anywhere interesting.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 04:04 (one week ago) Permalink

i may be an outlier here but i really enjoyed the last two episodes as fun, largely standalone riffs on the TOS/TNG formula.

the klingon scenes are unbelievably silly and incomprehensible and i say that as someone with a high tolerance for 40k style bullshit. so is the starfleet admiral dead now? and the female klingon? what was the point of any of that if so?

oiocha, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 04:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Complaints aside that last one was probably the best so far. It's not often we see a time loop plot from the outside and it was done pretty well. Mud does seem like a classic TOS villain.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Between this and The Orville I feel like I'm enjoying Star Trek for the first time since TOS.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 10:13 (one week ago) Permalink

DISCO has shown it has potential, at least. No longer a hatewatch for me.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I actually really enjoyed the last episode as well! Even the Klingon scenes weren't terrible -- I'm kind of curious what's going to happen to L'Rell.

Drunk Leeemoda (Leee), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:13 (one week ago) Permalink

I am really enjoying this unreservedly now. There are lots of callbacks to TOS, but it doesn't just seem like recycling. I *really* like Saru's race's origin story. The show also strikes a nice balance thus far between episode and serial and although I'd prefer pure episodes as that kind of world offers more possibilities , I know entertainment has changed. One weird thing is Burnham's height. As Sasha on TWD and as Burnham, Martin-Green WALKS TALL, so it's always surprising to see her so short next to Saru and Ash (who are tall).

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 21:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I read somewhere that sets on films are usually built 90% of scale, too, so the actors loom larger. I want to go back now and see if he's always ducking his head getting into elevators. There are some fairly recent SF books featuring a prey species developing a civilization, I wonder which ones of those the runners have read.

I like how the writers are indulging in some Westworldesque fucking with expectations - I thought that of course the 'I want to defect' bit would turn out to be a ruse, for it to be genuine I didn't see coming. There's some long game that's hard to see underneath those giant rubber heads (how painful must those contact lenses be). The legalese surrounding the not-yet-Prime Directive is interesting too

Brakhage, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought that of course the 'I want to defect' bit would turn out to be a ruse, for it to be genuine I didn't see coming.

I'm not convinced she really wants to defect! She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Didn't like the last episode - too much too fast, all three plots needed more room IMO.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:27 (one week ago) Permalink

She hates Kol for sure, but she's a spy and pretending to defect would give her so much access to Starfleet.

if she really wanted to defect, she could have just gone with lorca/ash rather than take a phaser disruptor to the face

she's also much smarter than every other klingon, it would seem. which is more evidence that ash is a time bomb -- letting lorca/ash get away was uncharacteristically half-assed of her

mookieproof, Friday, 10 November 2017 01:27 (one week ago) Permalink

So am I right in thinking that Stamets is actually exchanging places with himself from a parallel ('mirror', if you will) universe/dimension, in which case the spores are not only a method for instantaneous travel but may also be a method of traversing universes - implying that each jump is actually a jump to a different physical point in a different but very similar universe? That seems to be where we're going but if we are it feels too much like a retread of the 2009 film which justified itself as a reboot by starting over in a fresh timeline

Brakhage, Saturday, 11 November 2017 23:11 (one week ago) Permalink

some sort of *engineer voice* organic quantum folding going on here

mh, Saturday, 11 November 2017 23:20 (one week ago) Permalink

My timecubes, let me show you them

Brakhage, Sunday, 12 November 2017 00:48 (six days ago) Permalink

i think it's a retcon for the genetic engineering ban -- suggesting that the engineering is a form of time/dimension travel.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 12 November 2017 01:17 (six days ago) Permalink

This is post-Khan being out on ice and the admiral did call them out to doing a banned eugenics experiment

mh, Sunday, 12 November 2017 01:18 (six days ago) Permalink

Mid-season finale *sigh* tonight; series resumes Jan. 7.

Entree 3000 (Leee), Sunday, 12 November 2017 17:47 (six days ago) Permalink

So am I right in thinking that Stamets is actually exchanging places with himself from a parallel ('mirror', if you will) universe/dimension, in which case the spores are not only a method for instantaneous travel but may also be a method of traversing universes - implying that each jump is actually a jump to a different physical point in a different but very similar universe? That seems to be where we're going but if we are it feels too much like a retread of the 2009 film which justified itself as a reboot by starting over in a fresh timeline

Intriguing!

Spencer Chow, Sunday, 12 November 2017 22:30 (six days ago) Permalink

Pretty clear that A=V is correct from tonight's episode. Not only in L'Rell's words but also in the tech of the humans being able to mask as Klingons.

Next up, mirror universe arc where they wear VERY shirts.

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 13 November 2017 06:13 (five days ago) Permalink

I didn't think about it, but they're going to be in the universe where Michael's preemptive strike plan went into effect, aren't they?

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:57 (five days ago) Permalink


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