Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

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Might as well give it its own thread. We got teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpPweAooeE

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:22 (five years ago) link

Huh! I assumed it would be on the CW.

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:26 (five years ago) link

Nah, CBS is going all in to build their own private Hulu, and this show is going to be anchor for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:28 (five years ago) link

Ugh I could not even watch that trailer - I guess I am too old.

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:37 (five years ago) link

Capt. Mads Mikkelsen or bust.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:15 (five years ago) link

fingers crossed but I am skeptical

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:26 (five years ago) link

hoping they'll go for mostly single-episode plots like old treks rather than just make another serial like every other major tv series these days

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:28 (five years ago) link

TV seems to have lost their touch - its all been downhill since Picard gave Mr Data his last rimjob

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:30 (five years ago) link

I've thought for a while that taking the "Far Beyond the Stars" conceit as real would've been amazing, though not exactly sustainable on a series-wide basis (i.e. that would've been a much better DS9 finale than what we got).

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:31 (five years ago) link

what does the startrekman have to say about all this

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:32 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

time to merge star trek and star wars and add in ALF

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:27 (five years ago) link

Hmm, well Paramount will probably sell the Trek to Disney once they are finally able to admit to themselves the glaringly-obvious fact that they're embarrassed to own the property, and I'm pretty sure ALF is a Muppet, so I think this has legs.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:52 (five years ago) link

you dont think wb would buy trek to keep the wb/disney battle going on a new front?

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:03 (five years ago) link

Interesting proposal, I look forward to the WB Trek movie where Spock drives an axe through Kirk's spinal column for no particular good reason other than that it's totally dark + extreme to the max.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:18 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I think they may reenvision ALF as CGI

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:15 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

...looks like I should edit the thread title

http://tvline.com/2016/10/26/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-showrunner-stepping-down/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 22:55 (five years ago) link

Oh great another Kurtzman-Goldsman joint. Because they did such a great job with Fringe.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:42 (five years ago) link

akiva goldsman's continued success is one of life's great mysteries

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:58 (five years ago) link

oh c'mon, s2-4ish of Fringe were pretty good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:09 (five years ago) link

this is weird to me. why would fuller walk away from this because he 'doesn't have time'? clearly something must have been going wrong.

akm, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:15 (five years ago) link

I hear he wants to spend more time with his family.

Wikipedia Brown and the Case of the Incomplete Filmography (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:27 (five years ago) link

season 3 of fringe was pretty good. then kurtzman & orci demanded a dumb cliffhanger and the show never recovered.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:30 (five years ago) link

Trek has always had a mix of inspired weirdos and hacks, I feel like it benefits from that.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:33 (five years ago) link

Fuller's working on at least two other tv series, including American Gods. If the Paramount people kept meddling and were an irritating presence, it'd be a good reason to bail.

mh 😏, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:00 (five years ago) link

He's still writing/plotting at least

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:39 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/14/13962170/star-trek-discovery-lead-walking-dead

Sonequa Martin-Green will play the lead (the XO of Discovery).

Should we change this thread title?

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08 (four years ago) link

I'm not going to believe this show is happening until there's an actual pilot date.

Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:32 (four years ago) link

Should we change this thread title?
to:
Sasha Deathwatch

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:24 (four years ago) link

It's funny how much she looks like a younger Angela Bassett who had been tipped to be in the series.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:27 (four years ago) link

wasn't there a rumor they were doing an anthology series with a different timeframe/cast each season? hmm.

mh 😏, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:48 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Well this is still taking forever. I will however happily back this:

https://tvline.com/2017/03/31/star-trek-discovery-rainn-wilson-harry-mudd-cbs-all-access/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:52 (four years ago) link

lol I watched the original Mudd ep the other night w my daughter and the entire time I was distracted by the highly visible shaving line all around Carmel's neck.

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:56 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

Fucking hell it's tomorrow

I have concerns but I really *want* it to be good

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 September 2017 17:43 (four years ago) link

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:02 (four years ago) link

It's on Netflix in the UK and a bunch of other countries

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:22 (four years ago) link

A few reviews have slipped through the embargo and been decent

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:23 (four years ago) link

This should be worth a flyer just for more Michelle Yeoh.

Insane Clown Fosse (Leee), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:27 (four years ago) link

I'm sorry, I misunderstood: CBS is only airing the first half of the two hour pilot on actual TV. Fun idea.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:51 (four years ago) link

If they streamed it only on the CBS app but allowed digital purchases on amazon, itunes, etc. it'd make more sense. but, afaik, they are making it only available on the CBS app

so irritating, I'd shell out for the entire season purchase even if it trickles out a week at a time as per usual

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:48 (four years ago) link

i'll probably wait until next year and stream the whole season then. or find "other ways" that will appear soon, i'm sure

Nhex, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:00 (four years ago) link

I just did the free CBS trial on my tv device, but I guess it doesn't air until tonight? boo

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:22 (four years ago) link

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

― Señor Winces (Old Lunch)

yeah i mean i know game of thrones seems to do ok and all but i'm not sure why directly adopting a piracy-based business model is cbs's schtick here

anyway when the streaming service fails they'll probably just toss it to another streaming service. doesn't necessarily doom the show.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:48 (four years ago) link

Phase II - proposed for Paramount Television Service, a fourth US network
Voyager (1995-2001), Enterprise (2001-2005) - designed to support UPN (1995-2006)

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:56 (four years ago) link

nice ship -- too bad they haven't invented probes yet and have to send their first officer into lethal radiation

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:00 (four years ago) link

this was fun but fuck CBS for making me watch a thousand NAVY SEALS promos and then asking for money to keep watching

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:15 (four years ago) link

points for having the main plot thread be about a black woman trying to tell everybody "no really, they're going to kill all of us" and being shouted down

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:17 (four years ago) link

cbs has consistently been tightassed with digital access to its programming since the tv-web boom, it's annoying

j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (four years ago) link

Enjoying this!

First question: how can I get one of those dope uniforms

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 04:42 (four years ago) link

We signed up for free trial - canceled after 2nd ep & got a month free so 4 more episodes

But seriously $6 for 1 original show and commercials is a joke. $10 if you want commercial free? Eat a dick

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:20 (four years ago) link

I did like that they brought out the actual wonky-rock Guardian though.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 18 December 2020 23:19 (eleven months ago) link

wasn’t the original rock like a detached observer rather than a moral arbiter?

(also my autocorrect tried to change “original” to “Orion gal” which felt a bit too context-aware for comfort)

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Saturday, 19 December 2020 05:06 (eleven months ago) link

wasn’t the original rock like a detached observer rather than a moral arbiter?

(also my autocorrect tried to change “original” to “Orion gal” which felt a bit too context-aware for comfort)

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Saturday, 19 December 2020 05:06 (eleven months ago) link

Where is the original rock from? Not knowing just left me with vibes of the Doctor tbh

stet, Monday, 21 December 2020 23:32 (eleven months ago) link

not sure - but we rewatched the Guardians of Forever TOS season 1 episode (Joan Collins!) & it is def the rock on its own, minus CSI’s Jim Brass in a bowler hat. And you cant really pick where you go, you just sorta jump & hope for the best

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 December 2020 23:53 (eleven months ago) link

yeah sorry was using rock & guardian interchangeably there

but this whole “ah! i was testing u to see if u are good now and deserve a 2nd chance” schtick felt weird to me vs my memories of those eps (there was a good Spock one in the animated series from memory - has it appeared since?)

but maybe I am denying the star treks the ability to change and undergo positive growth

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 01:07 (eleven months ago) link

That was a really good episode! Totally vintage TNG.

Stone Cold Steve Ostentatious (Leee), Saturday, 26 December 2020 07:25 (eleven months ago) link

V good! tho: the burn was caused by some kid’s nightmare is v St Elsewhere snowglobe lmao

also i just realized Osira reminds me of Bad Janet and I cant unsee it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 December 2020 05:47 (eleven months ago) link

solid but too much touchy-feely if-we-hug-you-can-do-it, jeez. put tig in charge already

no idea how their enemy tracked them and arrived in time to catch them

disappointed that no plot points have hinged on grudge the cat's actions . . . yet

mookieproof, Monday, 28 December 2020 06:02 (eleven months ago) link

yeah dug the fever dream vibe, a few bits that I had to look the other way plot-wise but that’s always the case huh - agree that it’s a seemingly lame resolution of the burn biz but surely there’s a higher-order meta-twist on the way

did really appreciate that in the olden days we would have cut to credits after “there’s a life sign in the nebula thing!” but in 2020 we cram an action sequence and a couple more plot points in there - bezerko pacing is one of the things I do enjoy about this show

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 28 December 2020 06:15 (eleven months ago) link

Doug Jones as actual Doug Jones! I was delighted when that happened!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 28 December 2020 07:15 (eleven months ago) link

yeah that was marvellous

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 December 2020 07:28 (eleven months ago) link

That was a really good episode! Totally vintage TNG.
yes! Only lacked a self-destruct countdown

stet, Monday, 28 December 2020 12:21 (eleven months ago) link

wish any of my devices could reboot as quickly as discovery

mookieproof, Friday, 8 January 2021 00:59 (ten months ago) link

Michael channeling Kirk in multiple scenes!

I feel like I got a few twinges of “this isn’t trek-like” which I don’t get, as I’m not married to the franchise and all for variation. I’m just becoming an old curmudgeon, now. But as Akiva Goldsman-like as some of the emotional beats were, I never jumped off board. I care about this crew!

Also, Book rallying yet again and ejecting that guy when he threatened the cat was beautiful

mh, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:14 (ten months ago) link

Is Cronenberg a permanent addition? He weirdly has a lot of speaking time that they didn't need to give him.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:34 (ten months ago) link

I was also surprised he appeared again. His parts were always with the small handful of characters, so I assume they filmed them all in the same stretch

mh, Friday, 8 January 2021 01:51 (ten months ago) link

I can't get over how this season's big mystery came down to some Kelpian adult child's hissy fit (I'm an asshole but this is a fictional show who fucking cares)

I hate this fucking show and wish I was better at stopping shows I start watching

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 8 January 2021 04:36 (ten months ago) link

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the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:39 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4CkuDx5LE

Tahini Coates (Leee), Sunday, 11 April 2021 18:55 (seven months ago) link

five months pass...

rewatching season one and it's rather better than i recalled

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:24 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Have rewatched first two seasons and part way through third but will now have to find other means to watch as Paramount+ have made the dick move of removing it from Netflix with immediate effect despite P+ or whatever it's called not going to be available internationally until March 2022 at the earliest.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 13:55 (two weeks ago) link

i don't think anything past season one made it to free-to-air uk tv

koogs, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

I didn't realize that season 4 is upon us!

Nelleee Hooper (Leee), Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

I think I've figured out why I have trouble comprehending this show. It changes the time structure structure of a Star Trek show in a bad way.

the old formula (TOS/TNG/VOY at least):
Cold open: Mundane Starfleet routine, then something mysterious happens (2-5 minutes)
opening credits
story that follows from the mystery, possibly with a b-plot as well

the new formula (DIS):
Mini adventure (10 minutes)
opening credits
Lore update: the state of starfleet, or a look at an alien planet, or a bit of character development (10-15 minutes)
then the main story starts

Two problems with this:
The "lore" portion FEELS like it's a first act, but it isn't. It doesn't lead into anything.

It takes too long to get to the main story. By the time it starts, the main story feels like a C-plot because there have been at least two threads started already, although those threads are usually never returned to.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:04 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not saying that Star Trek needs to go back to the old formula -- it feels stale after awhile. Just that the new formula has those new problems.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

That's not a Trek-specific thing -- in fact, I remember people complaining about how the first act for the Simpsons didn't relate to any of the other plots of the rest of the episodes, and that was probably 10 years ago.

Nelleee Hooper (Leee), Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:49 (two weeks ago) link

I think the swerve in The Simpsons is humorous in how it goes against expectations -- although now that it's a standardized formula, the joke no longer works.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:19 (two weeks ago) link

that Paramount move is infuriating - i was looking forward to watching this over the xmas holidays, was excellent braindead fare last year - now i can't see myself being bothered and I certainly don't need -another- fucking streaming service in my life

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:31 (two weeks ago) link

First ep of new season... I find it extremely irritating that its a jllion years in the future and ships getting hit - despite all the sheild tech - flail around, and explode in sparks internally. WHY.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 20 November 2021 05:11 (one week ago) link

I could make something up about shields and weapons being in an arms race but yeah it doesn't make sense.

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:02 (one week ago) link

lol for every complaint like this there are five about how why isn't trek like it used to be

i mean i hear you cluckin' but also there has to be some sort of danger conveyed, if ideally not demonstrated by weird flash pots

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:06 (one week ago) link

I've never understood 'shields' as a Star Trek concept tbh.

One of my favorite parts of the Expanse was space battles requiring people to pressure suit up because every bullet will just zip through the tin ships are made of.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:08 (one week ago) link

if it weren't for radiation/gravitational anomalies/etc. starfleet vessels would just solve everything instantly

i do like to see them *try* to explain why they're helpless tho, and at least heisenberg compensators are old-school legit

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:12 (one week ago) link

star trek is optimistic; the expanse points out that all this shit is so difficult as to be almost pointless

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I don't mean it's better as a sci-fi trope, it's just fun to see bullets zip through one side of the hull and out the other with everyone going "oh shiiiiit"

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:18 (one week ago) link

Having recently watched TOS it’s now v amusing how Burnham is like Kirk turned up to 11 in terms of being the first to go on offworld missions for any and everything, the more ill advised the better

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 November 2021 07:43 (one week ago) link

I do enjoy Disco but I dont approach it like Other Trek, to be sure.

Kind of want Saru to stay where he is, and have a fleshed out storyline on his world.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 20 November 2021 22:54 (one week ago) link

https://intl.startrek.com/news/star-trek-discovery-season-four-lands-on-paramount-pluto-tv-internationally time to find out what pluto is

stet, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 17:02 (one week ago) link

And here I was thinking they landed on Goofy.

Sporting with the Fbclid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

Thank you for this information stet

Look forward to renewing my acquaintance with this silly show

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 20:49 (one week ago) link

Pluto is cool. This show is cool. "Let's Fly" as the captain's catchphrase order is not cool at all.

BrianB, Thursday, 25 November 2021 13:54 (one week ago) link

we're four seasons in and i *want* to like this but 50 minutes of 'people grieve in different ways' is just terrible

and every time they reference burnham growing up on vulcan simply makes a joke of how everything she does is weepy emotional

at least that one guy (bryce?) got to suggest something?

make grudge the center of the show imo

mookieproof, Friday, 26 November 2021 23:47 (six days ago) link

oh no! my dead soulmate is going to blah blah blah reincarnate! but what if i can't measure up to them! oh no!

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 November 2021 01:47 (five days ago) link

This was probably my favorite episode, largely because of how much it made me laugh -- sometimes intentionally, sometimes less so: the random flame jets on the bridge, fr'instance.

That said, yeah, I do wish that not every episode has to involve some galaxy- or identity-shifting inflection point.

Nelleee Hooper (Leee), Saturday, 27 November 2021 02:24 (five days ago) link

Haha yes once again I have the gripe I had last week. When the ship was getting battered by those grav waves, why was there... like, literal rubble? All over the deck? The hell?

Losing gravity suddenly was a cool thing to happen and they dont do that much on shows like this so that was cool.

Burnham is becomign a freaking hypocrite. Last week she was being accused of taking too many risks and she got all huffy and defended it... then she goes and accuses book of the same thing!

But man, this anomaly better turn out to be some giant space alien/actual enemy because do not sit here and tell me this season is them going to war with Space, that is just ... NO..

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 27 November 2021 05:40 (five days ago) link

mr veg has been joking about the rubble, like are they building with concrete in space?

also pyro budget must be sizeable, sparks & fireballs like the bloody wizard of oz

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 November 2021 07:40 (five days ago) link

Just starting S2 and by god I will get through it this time but man I miss Sisko playing baseball with his idol and bridge crew string quartet shows. Grimdark is probably a bit extreme as a description but it's getting close.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 27 November 2021 08:18 (five days ago) link

Yeah stakes being pushed to such extremes means that all the side characters don't get fleshed out, in addition to the very shallow way the main characters are all overachieving Dunning Kruger idiots.

Nelleee Hooper (Leee), Saturday, 27 November 2021 19:29 (five days ago) link

The Ba’ul sentry ship CGI was Doctor Who level crappy.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 December 2021 04:41 (eleven hours ago) link


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