Star Trek Discovery: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

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Might as well give it its own thread. We got teaser trailer:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:22 (three years ago) Permalink

Huh! I assumed it would be on the CW.

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Nah, CBS is going all in to build their own private Hulu, and this show is going to be anchor for it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:28 (three years ago) Permalink

Ugh I could not even watch that trailer - I guess I am too old.

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 22:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Capt. Mads Mikkelsen or bust.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:15 (three years ago) Permalink

fingers crossed but I am skeptical

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:26 (three years ago) Permalink

hoping they'll go for mostly single-episode plots like old treks rather than just make another serial like every other major tv series these days

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:28 (three years ago) Permalink

TV seems to have lost their touch - its all been downhill since Picard gave Mr Data his last rimjob

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:30 (three years ago) Permalink

I've thought for a while that taking the "Far Beyond the Stars" conceit as real would've been amazing, though not exactly sustainable on a series-wide basis (i.e. that would've been a much better DS9 finale than what we got).

Jenny Ondioleeene (Leee), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:31 (three years ago) Permalink

what does the startrekman have to say about all this

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:32 (three years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

time to merge star trek and star wars and add in ALF

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Hmm, well Paramount will probably sell the Trek to Disney once they are finally able to admit to themselves the glaringly-obvious fact that they're embarrassed to own the property, and I'm pretty sure ALF is a Muppet, so I think this has legs.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:52 (three years ago) Permalink

you dont think wb would buy trek to keep the wb/disney battle going on a new front?

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Interesting proposal, I look forward to the WB Trek movie where Spock drives an axe through Kirk's spinal column for no particular good reason other than that it's totally dark + extreme to the max.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 18:18 (three years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

I think they may reenvision ALF as CGI

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 15 July 2016 16:15 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

...looks like I should edit the thread title

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 22:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh great another Kurtzman-Goldsman joint. Because they did such a great job with Fringe.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:42 (two years ago) Permalink

akiva goldsman's continued success is one of life's great mysteries

yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:58 (two years ago) Permalink

oh c'mon, s2-4ish of Fringe were pretty good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 October 2016 11:09 (two years ago) Permalink

this is weird to me. why would fuller walk away from this because he 'doesn't have time'? clearly something must have been going wrong.

akm, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:15 (two years ago) Permalink

I hear he wants to spend more time with his family.

Wikipedia Brown and the Case of the Incomplete Filmography (Old Lunch), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:27 (two years ago) Permalink

season 3 of fringe was pretty good. then kurtzman & orci demanded a dumb cliffhanger and the show never recovered.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:30 (two years ago) Permalink

Trek has always had a mix of inspired weirdos and hacks, I feel like it benefits from that.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 13:33 (two years ago) Permalink

Fuller's working on at least two other tv series, including American Gods. If the Paramount people kept meddling and were an irritating presence, it'd be a good reason to bail.

mh 😏, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:00 (two years ago) Permalink

He's still writing/plotting at least

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:39 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Sonequa Martin-Green will play the lead (the XO of Discovery).

Should we change this thread title?

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 15 December 2016 18:08 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm not going to believe this show is happening until there's an actual pilot date.

Bianca Smell BO (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2016 20:32 (two years ago) Permalink

Should we change this thread title?
Sasha Deathwatch

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:24 (two years ago) Permalink

It's funny how much she looks like a younger Angela Bassett who had been tipped to be in the series.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:27 (two years ago) Permalink

wasn't there a rumor they were doing an anthology series with a different timeframe/cast each season? hmm.

mh 😏, Thursday, 15 December 2016 23:48 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Well this is still taking forever. I will however happily back this:

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:52 (two years ago) Permalink

lol I watched the original Mudd ep the other night w my daughter and the entire time I was distracted by the highly visible shaving line all around Carmel's neck.

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:56 (two years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Fucking hell it's tomorrow

I have concerns but I really *want* it to be good

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 September 2017 17:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:02 (one year ago) Permalink

It's on Netflix in the UK and a bunch of other countries

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:22 (one year ago) Permalink

A few reviews have slipped through the embargo and been decent

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:23 (one year ago) Permalink

This should be worth a flyer just for more Michelle Yeoh.

Insane Clown Fosse (Leee), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:27 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm sorry, I misunderstood: CBS is only airing the first half of the two hour pilot on actual TV. Fun idea.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:51 (one year ago) Permalink

If they streamed it only on the CBS app but allowed digital purchases on amazon, itunes, etc. it'd make more sense. but, afaik, they are making it only available on the CBS app

so irritating, I'd shell out for the entire season purchase even if it trickles out a week at a time as per usual

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:48 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll probably wait until next year and stream the whole season then. or find "other ways" that will appear soon, i'm sure

Nhex, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

I just did the free CBS trial on my tv device, but I guess it doesn't air until tonight? boo

mh, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I guess I hadn't been paying attention but, uh, you have to pay for some CBS streaming service to watch this beyond the first episode? Really? I hope everyone enjoys the first ST series to last exactly one season.

― Señor Winces (Old Lunch)

yeah i mean i know game of thrones seems to do ok and all but i'm not sure why directly adopting a piracy-based business model is cbs's schtick here

anyway when the streaming service fails they'll probably just toss it to another streaming service. doesn't necessarily doom the show.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Phase II - proposed for Paramount Television Service, a fourth US network
Voyager (1995-2001), Enterprise (2001-2005) - designed to support UPN (1995-2006)

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:56 (one year ago) Permalink

nice ship -- too bad they haven't invented probes yet and have to send their first officer into lethal radiation

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:00 (one year ago) Permalink

this was fun but fuck CBS for making me watch a thousand NAVY SEALS promos and then asking for money to keep watching

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:15 (one year ago) Permalink

points for having the main plot thread be about a black woman trying to tell everybody "no really, they're going to kill all of us" and being shouted down

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:17 (one year ago) Permalink

cbs has consistently been tightassed with digital access to its programming since the tv-web boom, it's annoying

j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Enjoying this!

First question: how can I get one of those dope uniforms

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 04:42 (one year ago) Permalink

We signed up for free trial - canceled after 2nd ep & got a month free so 4 more episodes

But seriously $6 for 1 original show and commercials is a joke. $10 if you want commercial free? Eat a dick

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 September 2017 05:20 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought what made the least sense what Pippa going along with Leland's plan when he was clearly a different person and advocating a course of action (hijacking the data) that was extremely suspicious. I was hoping she'd be a little savvier but she actually went along with it up until Michael's mom happened to say something that sounded a lot like what Leland had said and that tipped her off. Otherwise most of these discrepancies didn't bother me v much.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:21 (two months ago) Permalink

this last one was a nothing episode. pretty clear that they're remaking terminator 2 now. I am guessing lizard-faced Linus and JETT RENO were last minute additions to the show as they have yet to add anything to the story.

adam the (abanana), Friday, 5 April 2019 22:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Unless I missed something, one thing that didn't make sense this episode is that they need the time crystal in order to change the future but if Pike takes it he's unable to change his future.

groovypanda, Saturday, 6 April 2019 05:32 (two months ago) Permalink

I assume that the time crystal fantasy elements in this episode will be ignored in future episodes.

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 6 April 2019 07:08 (two months ago) Permalink

I actually enjoyed this episode! It's relatively light on plot but I think that's a good thing, because, first, it gives more space to for the episode to work on character development (the Spock/Burny back and forth in the shuttle bay was cute, Reno trying to fix Stamets/Culber), and second, the characters make a lot fewer stupid plot-driven decisions that have been annoying me.

I also really liked Pike's pep talk to himself, the most/best Trek thing the show has done in a while IMO.

I've been starving them, teasing them, singing off Leee (Leee), Sunday, 7 April 2019 00:26 (two months ago) Permalink


doug jones really sells that swinging-his-arms-behind-his-back thing

mookieproof, Sunday, 7 April 2019 00:52 (two months ago) Permalink

I agree that the character bits in this episode was nice, but the whole Time Crystal thing with the mystical test of a character etc. was just too much Doctor Who style science fantasy. It may work in Who, but Trek is still supposed to be sci-fi with some grounding in the reality, so magical minerals with an apparent mind of their own felt way out of place.

Also, for this supposedly super-advanced AI, Control was far too eager to give Burnham and Spock a proper Bond villain monologue, explaining its internations and giving them time to defeat it. If it only intended to kill and assimilate Burnham, why didn't it do so back when they were on the Discovery shuttle, were both of them were within striking distance and unarmed?

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 April 2019 17:44 (two months ago) Permalink

also how would it have crossed the room in 0.8 seconds and broken all the metacarpal bones in burnham's hand when it had no such special powers in leland's body?

also does ethan peck sculpt his beard to look more vulcan or does it just grow like that?

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Sunday, 7 April 2019 20:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Thought that was a decent setup episode. Burnham is just a lot more interesting when she has Spock to play off. Trek has always been full of mystical magic nonsense, imo.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 7 April 2019 21:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Trek has always been full of mystical magic nonsense, imo.]


I've been starving them, teasing them, singing off Leee (Leee), Monday, 8 April 2019 00:21 (two months ago) Permalink

love to destroy all sentient life in the universe

mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Failing at basic Dr Who level time travel here. The signals can still be the red angel, who could have made them in your future, her past, Pike.

stet, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Pike's assumption is based on Dr. Burnham saying she wasn't responsible for the signals, and the timesuit seemingly being lost, which would mean she can't do them in her future, his past either. Of course we know that someone, either Dr. Burnham or Michael or someone else, will probably locate the suit against all odds and create the signals. But you can blame a character making assumptions based on real-life probabilities instead of the logic of fiction.

Tuomas, Thursday, 11 April 2019 07:34 (two months ago) Permalink

I am so very here for the Enterprise bridge

stet, Saturday, 13 April 2019 00:28 (two months ago) Permalink

I feel like they have successfully sold trends in interaction! It doesn’t seem retro, it’s like a transition from maximalism into semi-austerity with a red-tinged mid-century modern vibe. So the enterprise seems contemporary but of a trend, something to emulate philosophically

mh, Saturday, 13 April 2019 03:56 (two months ago) Permalink

so is the sphere data -- and by extension, discovery -- sentient now? i mean if it can prevent self-destruct and raise shields and everything . . .

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I hope the season ends well, as this show is legit fun and good right now, playing into the "it's like TNG, it just needed to warm up" narrative.

Perhaps they'll reassert the status quo, but would be interesting to see the show move into the post-DS9 era.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 13 April 2019 23:39 (two months ago) Permalink

My current theory - Control really is a borg origin story. And somehow, they will prevent it from obtaining the sphere , but in retaliation Control decides going aorund assimilating all places/knowledge by brute force is the next best way to achieve perfection, if they cant get it from the sphere.

That last epsisode had WAY too much red-herring goodbyes and crying and Sombre Gazes and then no ones leaving anyway arrrrgh get on with it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:28 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn’t mind all the sombre goodbyes this time, as opposed to the Saru dying-not-dying episode, which went on forever. Writing seemed better too this time, maybe?

Theory seems pretty legit

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:36 (two months ago) Permalink

the borg origin story angle seems a little too on the nose, but maybe!

there’s a serious causality glitch if Burnham fails to make it through, now that we know with a high level of certainty that it was her in the suit creating the beacons that the discovery has been investigating

mh, Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:53 (two months ago) Permalink

control seems pretty conscious already tbh

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn't expect the show to move towards the "Calpyso" storyline, at least not so quickly.

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 20:23 (two months ago) Permalink

I am just catching up with episodes now. I got so excited at the start of the Talosian one because I thought it was going to be some cool mashup thing, but it was not good at all. I think every new Star Trek iteration tries to recreate the magic of the Wrath of Khan by revisiting old enemies and scenarios, and that's just not an easy thing to do.

But the Control episode after it was superb. Funny that Tuomas mentions Doctor Who upthread. I thought it had a real Who vibe about it, but without the messianic histrionics.

I am also warming to Spockolas. Jokes help.

trishyb, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:22 (one month ago) Permalink

i hope tig doesn't get killed off

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:45 (one month ago) Permalink

People Turing up on discovery like they popped round from next door whilst it’s taking 57 more minute for the baddies to turn up is getting really old.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 19 April 2019 07:29 (one month ago) Permalink

That last episode was pretty good! Little confusing in places (if control got subdued by Philipa with the magnet whyd they even need to do what they did?) but yeah lots of action and tension.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 19 April 2019 12:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was some v good Trek there! Plot holes aplenty around death of Control but that aside, yes. I wonder how it is going down with the Trekkers.

stet, Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:40 (one month ago) Permalink

have we had fighters/drones like that before in trek?

endless plot holes but it sure looked nice. spock should have kept the beard

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:32 (one month ago) Permalink

he will... consider it

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Loved the moire screen detail

#startrekdiscovery Some details go back to my childhood. I always loved Spock's science station on the Enterprise bridge. Thank to Alex Kurtzman and Olatunde Osunsanmi for letting me animate Spock's moiré. Such an iconic screen!

— Timothy Peel (@timothypeel1) April 20, 2019

stet, Saturday, 20 April 2019 09:29 (one month ago) Permalink

things we didn't learn:

  • how burnham created the Signals
  • how burnham crashed the oksana baiul technology
  • how the suit/time crystal, which was supposed to only have enough power for one jump into the future, was able to make all the Signal-making jumps
  • why the suit/time crystal compelled burnham to perform the Signal-making jumps at that moment, when they could have been done at/from any time
  • why the enterprise has no robots able to close a blast door from the inside, requiring an admiral to do it instead
  • why control, which was evidently running the entire section 31 fleet by itself, chose to put all of itself into leland
  • fuckin magnets, why do they work
  • why ash, who is supposed to be dead, is able to hang out in public with klingons
  • why starfleet would subsequently ban spore-drive technology
  • why we even bothered with that whole hugh-is-pissy arc
  • why vulcans are unable to use contractions

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:22 (one month ago) Permalink

also, why did the signals appear briefly at the start of the season? why did burnham bother with saru's backwards shithole planet instead of getting someone like the vulcans to help out?

yes, i could deal with a few of these, but all together they come across as sloppy writing.

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:44 (one month ago) Permalink

"have we had fighters/drones like that before in trek?"

star trek beyond had lots of little ships. I did find the action sequences genuinely thrilling, which I hadn't felt before with Discovery. (If the budget overrun on the season premiere was spent on the X-Wing asteroid field sequence, they wasted their money.)

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Also it’s seems like poor starfleet management practice not to nominate a captain from the legions of commanders on discovery before they disappeared into the future.

I did like Number 1s very 60s hairstyle and overall looks. The 23rd century is about to enter a very retro phase.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 21 April 2019 00:00 (one month ago) Permalink

• why vulcans are unable to use contractions

contractions are illogical

j., Sunday, 21 April 2019 00:41 (one month ago) Permalink


j., Sunday, 21 April 2019 00:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Spock used contractions! He might be Vulcan, but he's no Soong-type android.

I really liked this for its pure spectacle! There's a million things that don't make sense this season (yes, the current writing regime continues the proud Trek tradition of not being able to do cool, well-considered sci-fi concepts*), but they hit enough beats that made up for it: Burnham's flight in the suit; the SFX for all of her jumps; Lrell and Ash with the requisite "TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE" (I seriously got choked up when they said it).

* Like they literally didn't need Burnham to send an additional signal! She appeared to Spock as a child, which should've been proof enough that she made it through the wormhole.

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Sunday, 21 April 2019 04:34 (one month ago) Permalink

have we had fighters/drones like that before in trek?

I'm pretty sure we saw some in some of the big space battles in DS9.

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Sunday, 21 April 2019 04:36 (one month ago) Permalink

xp i think that was mrs burnham who appeared to spock as a child

mookieproof, Sunday, 21 April 2019 06:42 (one month ago) Permalink

ugh this was garbage

so confusing, maybe i misheard but at one point they say they can't get through to the rest of starfleet, then 5 minutes later "we have 200 ships to [leland's] 30". huh?

why didn't they just use the spore drive to jump to the delta quadrant and launch michael from there?

so much awful technobabble but the enterprise bridge officer asks the discovery one to "speak english" because she doesn't know what an arc second is :(

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:36 (one month ago) Permalink

pretty sure they could have tied a string to that blast door handle. also, blast door was pretty strong, maybe they should build the whole ship out of them.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

spock: did u ever knooo that ur my heeeerooooo

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:58 (one month ago) Permalink

"section 31 requires more transparency"

that went well, no-one's heard of it in ds9.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:08 (one month ago) Permalink

i thouht the signal she was going to send to spock was the one from his childhood... so when did that one get sent?

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:14 (one month ago) Permalink

we have 200 ships to [leland's] 30

i think this was a reference to all their lil fighters and drones (and then leland launched his own)

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 April 2019 22:06 (one month ago) Permalink

That blast door scene made me cross. No way he could have stood directly on the other side of the glass and not been impacted somehow. WTF.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 28 April 2019 00:04 (one month ago) Permalink

spock's childhood meeting was with mike's mom. how the vision included the signals when mom didn't know anything about signals is a plot hole.

adam the (abanana), Sunday, 28 April 2019 08:49 (one month ago) Permalink

There are dozens of star treks, not just 6 or 7, and if trek is a feeling then everyone has a different one. But i keep thinking of The Measure of a Man; it might not even be my favourite episode but in the writing, the problem posed and the solution offered, it was something of a peak. Nothing in Discovery was remotely of that calibre - in season 2 certainly. Season 1 had some things going for it, e.g. Tilly pushed the boundaries of what a starfleet officer could be, while staying true to or even exemplifying trek values; by season 2 she was mostly reduced to comic relief.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:15 (one month ago) Permalink

I missed some of the wtf-ness that Jason Isaacs provided last season, but I really enjoyed this one. Shame the last episode was a Marvel movie climax laser fight though.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 28 April 2019 16:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Hells yeah that massive pew pew scene hurt my head, I couldnt tell who was shooting what at some points.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:22 (one month ago) Permalink

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