Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

I don't like the title and I hope it changes but it probably won't but whatever. It's time we had a thread for it anyway. I hope it's an improvement to what's been happening to Spidey cinematically.

So we have Marissa Tomei as Aunt May, Michael Keaton cast as an unspecified villain (rumor has it it's the Vulture), and the kids below cast as unspecified classmates:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--enjyq1kO--/wzghrqt0olwahmhqtj0h.jpg
(in an adversarial role, possibly Flash Thompson?)
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--enjyq1kO--/wzghrqt0olwahmhqtj0h.jpg
http://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/2015/03/03/981/n/1922398/b9e42951_edit_img_image_88_1425409633_Zendaya.xxlarge.jpg

Glad to see Marvel's mixing it up with some diversity.

I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Saturday, 16 April 2016 04:41 (three years ago) link

Maybe this will be the film where we finally learn how Spider-Man got his powers.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Sunday, 17 April 2016 13:40 (three years ago) link

Word is they are shockingly skipping the whole origin thing this time!

I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Sunday, 17 April 2016 14:16 (three years ago) link

the movie takes pace after Spidy has hung up his webs and taken a job in the financial sector iirc

Neanderthal, Sunday, 17 April 2016 14:19 (three years ago) link

He defeats his enemies by making bad investments on their behalf.

I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Sunday, 17 April 2016 14:23 (three years ago) link

Keaton isn't happening (boo). Iron Man will be in the movie in some capacity.

Trash Sandwich (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 April 2016 04:48 (three years ago) link

wait, they're really rebooting this thing a third time in 14 years?

wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 23 April 2016 04:55 (three years ago) link

did you see the Andrew Garfield movies?

Number None, Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:02 (three years ago) link

I like the title

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:06 (three years ago) link

andrew garfield and emma stone were really charming - unfortunately the movies they were in were not good

the world’s youngest hyper-polyglot (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 April 2016 18:19 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Michael Keaton is officially back in as the Vulture. There are (almost assuredly unsubstantiated) rumblings about D'onofrio showing up as Kingpin.

Wet Food (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:22 (three years ago) link

If that happens, it'd be the first time the TV series cross over to the movies, and not vice versa.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 18:22 (three years ago) link

Spidey's turn in Civil War was far and away my favourite ever screen depiction of the character, they nailed it. Really looking forward to this as a result.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 19:01 (three years ago) link

it'd be the first time the TV series cross over to the movies, and not vice versa

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTkzODAyMjg2Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzI4NzM1MjE@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 May 2016 22:35 (three years ago) link

That link doesn't work for me, but Nick Fury and the Helicarrier in Avengers 2 should count, even if it wasn't the best example of either medium.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 May 2016 23:02 (three years ago) link

That was about as effective a link as the unnamed helicarrier used in Deadpool's climax

Nhex, Thursday, 26 May 2016 16:18 (three years ago) link

i don't even watch agents of shield but just showing a couple of them on the helicarrier would've been such an easy gesture that it's stupid they didn't do it. i hope in spider-man:home-coming there's at least a line about some guy in hell's kitchen. i also hope we finally find out how he became spider-man.

balls, Thursday, 26 May 2016 17:54 (three years ago) link

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure I heard they're going to be expanding his origin into a trilogy of movies. I think this first one is mostly about the spider before it becomes irradiated.

Wet Food (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 May 2016 19:19 (three years ago) link

Part two largely concerns pre-teen Peter Parker's ironic dislike of arachnids.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 26 May 2016 19:51 (three years ago) link

And it all comes to a head as he's seconds away from being bitten when the end credits for the third movie begin to roll.

Wet Food (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 May 2016 19:57 (three years ago) link

sorry that link was a poster for Batman '66

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 May 2016 21:24 (three years ago) link

Ah. I think Tuomas was referring specifically to the MCU. I thought by now at least one incidental character from the TV shows would've popped up in a movie but nope. I think I thought Sitwell first showed up on AoS but I realized recently that he was a fairly nondescript SHIELD dude walking around in a couple of the early films.

Wet Food (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 May 2016 21:54 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Hannibal Burress has been cast in an undisclosed role. I'm hoping for JJJ.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 22:46 (three years ago) link

It's gonna be Robbie Robertson, isn't it

Nhex, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 01:43 (three years ago) link

Bill Cosby

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 02:06 (three years ago) link

Hypno-Hustler

earlnash, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 03:19 (three years ago) link

hannibal burress IS rocket racer

an alternate version of his real world dog (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 07:44 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzXIaTt99U

Number None, Friday, 9 December 2016 07:35 (two years ago) link

there's more footage in this international trailer:

https://youtu.be/Bqzg9YChKfM

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 09:18 (two years ago) link

looks pretty fun, but i'm kinda annoyed by the fact that they seem to have given miles morales' best friend ganke to peter parker :(

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 09:19 (two years ago) link

Oh, seriously? Huh. Well, that's stupid and unnecessary.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 December 2016 13:01 (two years ago) link

It's got the little wings on the costume from the original Ditko Spider-Man and the Vulture? Sounds good to me!

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 9 December 2016 13:06 (two years ago) link

actually, looking into it a bit more, it seems that jacob batalon is in fact playing ned leeds of all people - i just assumed he must be playing ganke cuz he looks very much like ganke and he seems to have a similar dorky-best-friend role

much as i enjoyed tom holland as peter parker in civil war i still kinda wish this movie was about miles morales tho

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 13:08 (two years ago) link

yeah would rather see miles morales but idk at least the trailer makes it feel basically like a spider-man movie and not just a pile of nonsense like the last one. also glad to see john portman's atlanta marriott marquis getting its due. gotta say it'd be nice if they found a way to finally include spider-man's origin story, though.

walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 December 2016 14:32 (two years ago) link

i'm resigned to the fact they're not making a miles morales film but i am willing to accept fake ganke as tribute

mh 😏, Friday, 9 December 2016 14:51 (two years ago) link

Actually, they are (or at least were) making an animated Miles Morales film. It was supposed to be released next year but has been pushed back.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 December 2016 14:53 (two years ago) link

(I assume it'll be something like Big Hero 6 which is technically a Marvel movie but not an actual MCU movie.)

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 December 2016 14:54 (two years ago) link

the trailer makes it feel basically like a spider-man movie

i think that's exactly the reason why i'm not exactly thrilled by what i've seen so far, cuz we've had five spider-man movies (six if you count civil war) in the last fifteen years and this does seem to be a remix of elements of all of them, with added marvel universe star power and the best peter parker yet. as huge a spider-man stan as ai am i dunno if that's gonna be enough!

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 14:58 (two years ago) link

was that the lord/miller animated spidey movie or something else? xxp

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 15:00 (two years ago) link

Yeah, that's the one. It's unclear whether production has even started on it, though, so grain of salt.

i need microsoft installed on my desktop, can you help (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 December 2016 15:03 (two years ago) link

an animated spider-man movie with a quarter of the fun and invention of cloudy with a chance of meatballs would be fantastic. imdb has virtually no info on it and apparently chris lord is writing but someone else is making their directorial debut on it. i guess i won't hold my breath on seeing miles on-screen either live-action or animated anytime soon...

Rush Limbaugh and Lou Reed doing sex with your parents (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 December 2016 15:07 (two years ago) link

looks cool. that shot of the Vulture sweeping down (at the Hyatt Regency?) = they shooting these movies at Dragon Con now!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 9 December 2016 15:11 (two years ago) link

called it upthread!

walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 11 December 2016 18:23 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Tom Hardy IS Venom

Number None, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:03 (two years ago) link

god i hope he does the bane voice

🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:37 (two years ago) link

The new trailer is insanely fun.

chap, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:44 (two years ago) link

i am weirdly unpsyched for this

🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:44 (two years ago) link

uncharacteristically unpsyched, even

🎵 it's grey pubic now, stoner blue 🎵 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:45 (two years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/rXvLw1v.jpg

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 21:58 (two years ago) link

Intelligence: not actually a generic quality rated on a scale from 3 to 18

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 12:42 (one week ago) link

There are def. degrees of smartness in this movie, from so smart they can literally invent anything (Stark, Banner, Rocket?) to gotta be pretty smart (Loki, Black Widow, Spider-man), to dunno/doesn't matter (Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch - what does she even do?) to dumb (Star Lord, Drax, Thor). The broader question is if there's anyone in the MCU too stupid to figure out Stark's state of the art automated technology.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:06 (one week ago) link

(these movies, not this movie specifically)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:07 (one week ago) link

If the contention is that P Parker's science geek chops feel tacked-on in this movie that seems fair to me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:12 (one week ago) link

I mean Pythagorean Theorem? really?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:14 (one week ago) link

re: Ant-Man: I think his coming up with the time-travel idea is fine. He doesn't have any idea how to build a time machine, he just observes that his time in the quantum realm passed differently than it did for everyone else. Michelle Pfeiffer may have gone through something similar and shared it with him off-camera in AM&TW. So he comes to the Avengers and says hey, I've got these quantum gadgets and they have something to do with time; you guys think we could build a time machine? Seems viable. The only gap is that we don't have Reed Richards here, so Banner and Stark are having to do a level of Impossible Science that I don't normally associate with either of them, but ehhh, hey.

re: Tony Stark: I definitely don't need what you think I need, DJP! I just think in a spree of movies where the most popular character is always building murder robots, for nobody to ever tell him "it's wrong to murder people with robots" is striking, given that there are many times characters have long drag-out fights with him over every other problem save that one. I'm not looking for a Greek chorus condemning him - I'm looking for a screenplay to a passable 100-minute techno-thriller that has these issues on its mind. Even The Dark Knight's surveillance-state business, which certainly tips into "DO YOU SEE?" territory, does manage to spell this out as a conflict: Freeman thinks it's wrong, Bale thinks the ends justify the means, and Bale going down that path is cast as one of many sacrifices he's made towards stopping the Joker. Perhaps a bit pat and convenient, but the audience is meant to understand this as one of the moral conflicts between the characters. If it was a Marvel movie, Freeman would have beheld the surveillance gizmo and started arguing with Bale about what if it falls into the wrong hands. Or over a sudden revelation that Thomas Wayne ran over his dog.

IMHO the screenwriters didn't have to have Tony invent all these terrifying drone systems. They chose to do that and then to duck the implications. I think this is because the filmmakers ultimately think these gadgets are not in themselves terrifying, but really cool (in the right hands), for reasons Tombot succinctly sketched above. Far From Home's plot hinges on Spider-Man discovering the incredible, omnipotent death powers he wields; his response is not to say "Happy, I don't think what Tony built is right - let's shut it off" or even "We need to go public with this - it doesn't feel right that people don't know this thing is up there." Rather, his relationship to the gizmo is through a Spider-Man character arc concerning who should wield it: first he doesn't believe he's worthy of the great power and great responsibility, then later he determines that he is. It's something that disappoints me in these movies, which again I have otherwise enjoyed, mostly.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:50 (one week ago) link

btw have we discussed the elephant in the room?

https://youtu.be/U_wDGbQYlK8

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:52 (one week ago) link

Waiting for the Night Monkey spinoff.

xpost That is sort of what I was getting at. When the character and the superpower are inextricable, That's where we get a lot of the conflicts between power and responsibility. But these movies have been promoting Tony Stark technology as the peak of power, equalling or even trumping even superpowers, and they continually fall into the wrong hands, so you would think that would be greater moral and ethical questions. Vs, I dunno, Spider-Man, who is given these powers he can't turn off and has to decide what to do with them.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:56 (one week ago) link

night monkey ruled!

tho for a moment yesterday talking about peter's science gifts, i entertained the idea that it'd be cool if he was a fashion geek (going to like a "design" high school.... y'know everybody's booking time on the MakerBots etc.) and that his main non-super-powered addition to spider-man would simply have been the design of the costume. a cute reversal of the idea that the first, home-made costume must necessarily be kinda goofy and bad.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:00 (one week ago) link

(oh and IOW: that he would have his own backup costume designed to make him look like some other themed hero entirely. feel like the comics have done this at some point, but i might just be thinking of Hawkeye being Ronin or Cap becoming Nomad.)

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:01 (one week ago) link

oh and another thing i thought verged RIGHT on the edge of being too winky-winky but was actually very delightful and got applause: the montage "toast" sequence laying out mysterio's origin. are we in spoilers?

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:03 (one week ago) link

next movie is the REAL night monkey getting revenge for spider-man stealing his or her shtick
night monkey is probably french or belgian

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:08 (one week ago) link

Would be funny if instead of Venom his black suit nemesis was Night Monkey.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:09 (one week ago) link

in this universe, his black suit nemesis will be a dumb techno-costume tony built for him that gets a mind of its own when it falls into the hands of, let's say the Ringmaster (played by Elijah Wood)

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:21 (one week ago) link

I've got to hand it to Spider-Man, though: after a lot of fumbling and lack of confidence, he really took those drone things down hardcore in the last act

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:32 (one week ago) link

The nemeses will be college apps. If he has six top choices and they are all sinister...

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 14:40 (one week ago) link

alternatively, "the sinister six" could be the marvel universe nickname for the Ivy League. anything is possible!

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:49 (one week ago) link

on the other hand there's a scene where he's wearing a t-shirt of i think literally the pythagorean theorem and my son's like "dad look at his shirt, he's a geek"

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, July 8, 2019 1:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it's a meme-y tshirt of a geometry question that asks you to "find x" and then the x is circled

gbx, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:55 (one week ago) link

ahh that makes much more sense

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:52 (one week ago) link

lol Tracer I didn't realize THAT is the shirt you were talking about

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:08 (one week ago) link

IMHO the screenwriters didn't have to have Tony invent all these terrifying drone systems.

I feel like this fundamentally goes against decades of established characterization.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:08 (one week ago) link

I also should rewatch all of these movies before commenting on them but I feel like the objections you're raising are... all expressed in the movie, just via subtext rather than overtly?

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:09 (one week ago) link

I had only had dim memories of Homecoming - I think I had only seen it on a plane prior, so I watched it last night- Keaton was great in it. The two movies are probably about as good as one another on balance.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:13 (one week ago) link

Like, the entire throughline of the "wrong hands" argument is that certain things shouldn't be done because the potential for abuse is too great; sure I might trust you not to go too far with it but do I trust your successor? And the movies show what happens and reinforce the idea through storytelling that these things aren't the wonderful ideas they may look like at first blush, and the characters deal with the fallout, both good and bad (the objection to Vision I find interesting considering that he couldn't exist as a sentient character without that arc, which is adapted from the comics so that Stark is responsible for his creation rather than Pym; you're making the argument that Age of Ultron should have ended with them murdering an ally).

I also think that the villains in these movies being directly motivated/created by Stark isn't accidental. Tony and his methods brought as much harm upon the world as they did good, which is partially why he's so reluctant to jump back into the fray in Endgame and why his actions at the end have so much resonance. You say "they missed the opportunity to do this as a redemption arc for Tony Stark when, IMO, that is exactly what they did.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

(And one of the side-effects of a redemption arc is rose-colored glasses get directed upon your faults, which is why the public perception in Far From Home is so fawning and why Beck's connection to Stark is important in underlining how Stark's M.O. had profound negative consequences.)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:18 (one week ago) link

His MO of farty acronyms? Hm... maybe next Tony inspired villain will be MODOK : Malignant Odor Designed Only for Kvetching

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:47 (one week ago) link

See, to me, "this can't fall into the wrong hands" is different from "certain things shouldn't be done because the potential for abuse is too great." To you, one implies the other, but in simplistic action movies it's easy to resolve "wrong hands" by getting it back into "the right hands," and that's that. Indeed this is precisely the resolution of Spider-Man: Far From Home: it was bad that the bad guy got the glasses. Thank goodness, Peter realizes that he was good enough to wield the glasses all along, and then, thank goodness, he gets them back. Order is restored. It's a little like "the wicked brother has usurped the throne" stories for children: we celebrate when the true, good king returns. If I said "this basically endorses the notion of monarchy and rule by divine or blood right," would you say "what are you talking about - the film shows that it's bad when a bad king is on the throne so clearly it's in the subtext that throne-based government is no good"?

To me what it comes down to is that the nature of the objections to the drone murder systems is never "there shouldn't be a drone murder system." It's always some adjacent or even parallel problem: you went off and built it without consulting us, you wouldn't listen to me when I said Bucky was innocent, etc. In a universe with like two hundred characters and ~supposedly~ able to tell all kinds of varied stories, in which everyone is constantly mad at Tony for all kinds of other things, in which Tony's origin story is that he ostensibly decides to no longer make weapons, it's conspicuous that nobody is raising this point.

Re: Ultron and Vision, I'm definitely not arguing that they should have murdered an ally! I'm arguing that the movie should have been written differently. If you're saddling me with all but the last ten minutes and saying "okay, all this stuff can't be changed, now end this story," is that really fair? Similarly, it doesn't really matter what decades of Tony's established characterization are. Tomei's Aunt May is more or less the opposite of the comic book character, who is defined by hating Spider-Man, not knowing his identity, and being one thousand years old. Tbh I haven't read a lot of Iron Man comics - are spy-and-execute satellites really that big a thing for him? The only big character things I can immediately think of for comics Tony are him being an alcoholic (something the movies dispensed with in one and a half scenes) and him being a high-handed establishment authority figure (something the movies garbled by making him a wise-ass rebel executive, meaning that when they get to Civil War, making him The Man versus rebel Cap is a serious screenwriting Hail Mary).

re: Tony's arc and the implication/subtext that he's really been a real problem - I'm open to this but it's something we have to read into the films, not something that's there. Okay: not everything has to be spelled out! But these are superhero movies that spell tons of other things out (witness the nightmarish scene in GOTG with Kurt Russell going line by line through "Brandy"). As well, one of the great accomplishments is supposed to be that they feel like an interconnected tapestry - so why can't characters call out things from previous films so that it feels more like an intentional downward-then-upward long-term arc? If they really intended Tony to be an asshole, it would not have been hard, or make the films be painfully literal and dumbed-down, to toss this into AoU:

STEVE: "Tony, you can't appoint yourself the guardian of the world. No man can."
TONY: "Couldn't agree more. That's why I'm putting it in the hands of an AI. A good AI. Programmed to look out for us. To fight the fights we might not be around for."
STEVE: "I've heard that before - from Fury. His system was supposed to make us safe, but HYDRA almost used it to murder millions of people. And after that, I realized something. It's not just WHO has the power ----"
TONY: "You mean 'what.' Not who. AI? Computers? I know you know what computers are by now."
STEVE: "I'm serious, Stark! It's that nobody SHOULD have the power. This --- this thing you've created, this power to invade people's lives, to kill people because you've decided to create this without consulting the world you're trying to protect ---- it's all wrong!"
TONY: "Oh okay, I get it. I'm arrogant for wanting to detect threats and stop them, by whatever it takes. But us deciding to put on custom suits and go punch the bad guys? That's A-OK with you? What I think is, I'm a realist, and there are threats out there, and if Ultron can stop them, we need Ultron. Get out of my way, Steve. I'm turning it on."

(FIGHT ENSUES. TONY SUBDUES STEVE AND ACTIVATES ULTRON. FROM THIS POINT ON, TONY IS AN EVIL VILLAIN UNTIL HIS REDEMPTION ARC STARTS, BECAUSE DOING WHAT TONY IS DOING IS ACTUALLY *BAD* AND NOT JUST A BIG MISUNDERSTANDING THAT ALLOWS ALL SIDES TO COME OUT UNSCATHED AS DESIRABLE HEROIC ACTION FIGURES.)

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:11 (one week ago) link

on reflection it is possible i have become the Vision, only instead of Jarvis and Ultron, i am the fusion of Morbs and Tuomas

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:28 (one week ago) link

Doc OTM on this one IMO, I hate all this military drone techno-thriller stuff in Spider-Man

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:33 (one week ago) link

fun movie though despite that

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:33 (one week ago) link

also - isn't Spider-Man the wisecrackin' hero? Does he make one quip this whole movie?

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:37 (one week ago) link

Iron Man is the hero who solves problems by building weapon systems he can fly around in.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:06 (one week ago) link

.. .and remote control.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:06 (one week ago) link

also - isn't Spider-Man the wisecrackin' hero? Does he make one quip this whole movie?

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, July 9, 2019

"i love led zeppelin"

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:15 (one week ago) link

I think they’re better off writing him as a teen goof who is trying his hardest AND trying to play down how little he knows about what he’s doing than a quippy wisecracker

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:19 (one week ago) link

? Quippy wisecracker (incl false bravado) is Spider-man’s defining characteristic.

One of the reasons i find the character tiresome but thats beside the point

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:22 (one week ago) link

toning it down for MCU is good. nonstop catskills humor in the middle of a fist fight seems like mmmm possibly not that effective onscreen

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:24 (one week ago) link

I feel like the last film had a better sense of the thing where up against Flash, he's hopeless, but with the mask on, he's got the confidence to toss zingers - like in the ATM robbery scene.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:26 (one week ago) link

Yeah thats standard m.o. for writing the character

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:27 (one week ago) link

It's also how he was in Civil War and they did bits of it in this movie, although not as much because he was really in a headspace of "I'm not sure I want to be Spider-Man" for most of it.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:40 (one week ago) link

"i love led zeppelin"

cool to have comics references in this movie

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:55 (one week ago) link

Saw this today & loved it.
Tom Holland is such a good Spidey/Peter & they handle all the teen stuff so well. And there’s nothing I love more than hero’s journey stories;i mean i know they kind of all are versions of that but this one has him outright rejecting the call, not even on the fence or doubting but basically saying NO... I love the way Holland showed the emotion in that, and Fury being like Marvel Great Santini at him was such good drama.

And Zendaya! Those two have SUCH great chemistry.

I got teary when Peter & Happy were talking about Tony. I still miss him too!! idc if he was a warmonger or w/e

Jake was fkn great, I was thinking later he would have been a good Spidey in his younger days. though maybe his acting chops now are better than they were then so that is prob moot. His heel turn was great, and I enjoyed the meta special-effects angle of the story.

Super dork moment: When Mysterio/Quentin & Peter were at the bar all i kept thinking was how great would it have been if Peter was drinking an Aqua Velva!? :D

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:12 (one week ago) link

it makes spider-man seem like a total dumbass who hasn't learned anything from anything and has to go through the same arc each movie. kind of a harry potter thing. or an iron man thing for that matter.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Monday, July 8, 2019 12:18 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink


This was Mr Veg’s complaint too but I feel like it discounts Peter’s age & that he’s an anxious self-doubter at heart. Ok so he overcomes x but that doesn’t mean his baggage gets left at the door. When he faces y he’s still going to panic & freak out because he’s still ~emotionally~ the same guy. For him, with a doubter’s mind & low self-esteem all x just taught him is that he could do x! We see him as a superhero but he’s not able to see himself that way so he still makes decisions as a teenager, not as a superhero. He’s not got the confidence or perspective to assume he can now do y or even z for that matter. Maybe that’s annoying for ppl to watch but that’s kinda how life is when you have that mindset. Just bc you have superpowers doesn’t mean that goes away.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:24 (one week ago) link

So I saw this yesterday, and it was fine but I think pretty firmly bottom-tier MCU for me. Way below Homecoming imo. I'm glad lots of folks itt enjoyed it as much as they did, though. It was fun, and the cast is still great, but it just seemed to be missing something. Kinda feel like someone reading the script should've at some point said, 'Oh hey guys, you know the thing where a chunk of the last movie revolved around mishaps during a class trip? Maybe we don't need to go back to that well in the very next movie.' Seeing the WTF look on my unwitting gf's face during the Mysterio reveal was fun. The mid- and post-credits scenes were great, but problematic inasmuch as they're probably the scenes that grabbed my interest the most. The scenes during the actual movie should be the ones to do that, maybe.

Disappointed that Ned and Betty's breakup in no way involved a goblin mask or pumpkin bombs, boooooo.

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:39 (six days ago) link

I wanted a few more bantz with Mysterio's team

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:01 (six days ago) link

One of my favorite things about these Marvel movies, maybe even (especially even?) the not so good ones, is how their tiers and unevenness or whatever sort of reflect how the comics themselves work. There might be an epic arc for a couple of months, followed (or interrupted) by some silly one off storylines. Not every issue is a major crossover event, some are just, I dunno, Peter Parker trying to pick up the dry-cleaning.

I do agree that the biggest (or any of the biggest) moments in these movies really should not occur after the movie is over.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 July 2019 20:10 (six days ago) link

I went and re-watched Homecoming after seeing this and they're both good, but Homecoming definitely superior. I had forgotten how menacing Keaton was. Still, the cast went a long way for me, and I found them more fun- maybe more relaxed as an ensemble- to watch this time around.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:33 (six days ago) link

I mean the cast in Far from Home vs Homecoming

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:34 (six days ago) link

The car ride Peter takes with Keaton in Homecoming is probably the best moment of suspense filmmaking in this entire enterprise.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:45 (six days ago) link

totally! I love keaton's speech - the way it's delivered and staged.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 15 July 2019 21:17 (six days ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.