one time there were two magician movies

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what's up with that

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:45 (eight years ago) link

is that randall flagg? shit

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:49 (eight years ago) link

Paul Blart: Mall Cop (2009)
Observe & Report (2009)

emil.y, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:50 (eight years ago) link

There is I think a particular term for simultaneous but separate invention/conception, but I can't think of what it is. Anyone?

emil.y, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:51 (eight years ago) link

A Bug's Life (1998)
Antz (1998)

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:52 (eight years ago) link

im pretty sure the generic Blart was probably more enjoyable than O&R

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:57 (eight years ago) link

Deep Impact
Armaggedon

both 1998

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:58 (eight years ago) link

Mirror Mirror (2012)
Snow White and The Huntsman (2012)

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:01 (eight years ago) link

does dantes peak (1996) volcano (1997) count?

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link

plausible deniability maybe

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link

or wait the opposite of that

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link

Turner & Hooch (1989)
K-9 (1989)

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:06 (eight years ago) link

haha my summer camp took us to see K-9 on a field trip taht year.

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 02:07 (eight years ago) link

^yes indeed that is the paradigmatic example

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:09 (eight years ago) link

The end of the 80s also had a lot Vietnam movies come out in rapid succession, but that doesn't really fit squarely into what we're going for here.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:15 (eight years ago) link

Capote (2005)
Infamous (2006)

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 02:18 (eight years ago) link

An American Werewolf In London and The Howling and Wolfen (1981)

Eckrich® Pickled Pig Doin's (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:18 (eight years ago) link

My Dinner With Andre and Bustin' Loose (1981)

Eckrich® Pickled Pig Doin's (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link

hercules
the legend of hercules

!!

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link

First Daughter (2004)
Chasing Liberty (2004)

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 25 March 2016 04:32 (eight years ago) link

Hoop Dreams
Poop Dreams

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 04:35 (eight years ago) link

i always mix those up

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 25 March 2016 06:16 (eight years ago) link

Tombstone (1993)
Wyatt Earp (1994)

got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Friday, 25 March 2016 06:49 (eight years ago) link

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DuelingWorks/Film

Tuomas, Friday, 25 March 2016 08:10 (eight years ago) link

i seen one of the magician movies it was fucken stupid i can only imagine how fucken stupid the other magician movie is with alfie zulu in it

disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 March 2016 08:14 (eight years ago) link

They're both okay, but the twist in the Edward Norton one is easy to guess, and since half of the movie rests on that "shocking" revelation, it kinda diminishes it. Whereas the the two major twists in the Christian Bale/Hugh Jackman one genuinely come out of the left field, which makes it more fun to watch, if not super memorable.

Tuomas, Friday, 25 March 2016 08:18 (eight years ago) link

Can't remember the Norton one, but I guessed the Prestige twist and it didn't affect my enjoyment of it. Also I didn't know a certain cameo was going to be in it so that really made my day.

kinder, Friday, 25 March 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link

the prestige was so good.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 March 2016 09:27 (eight years ago) link

There was even a third magician movie around the same time, by the peep show guys

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 09:46 (eight years ago) link

Another borderline case:

The Truman Show (1998)
EDTV (1999)

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 09:50 (eight years ago) link

Probably much too far apart to count but...
Porridge (1979)
Escape to Victory (1981)

François Pitchforkian (NickB), Friday, 25 March 2016 09:53 (eight years ago) link

Robin hoods

Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Friday, 25 March 2016 09:54 (eight years ago) link

Famously there was a British Robin Hood film that ended up being completely eclipsed by prince of thieves

Xpost!

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 10:00 (eight years ago) link

Feels weird to include that because there have probably been years when there have been like 7 Robin Hood films produced

Rainer Weirder Faßbooker (wins), Friday, 25 March 2016 10:01 (eight years ago) link

War of the Worlds (2005) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407304/
The War of the Worlds (2005) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425638/
War of the Worlds (2005) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449040/

the first one is the Tom Cruise one, the second is the english version set at the same time as the book, the third is a knock-off rushed out on video ahead of the Cruise version to confuse people into buying it.

koogs, Friday, 25 March 2016 10:21 (eight years ago) link

The General (1998)
Ordinary Decent Criminal (2000)

Both based on Irish gangster Martin Cahill

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Friday, 25 March 2016 10:58 (eight years ago) link

I thought it was normal to have certain themes be popular in certain years. Not sure what determines it , unless it is just competition within the industry. Or industries, do publishing houses do similar?

Stevolende, Friday, 25 March 2016 11:06 (eight years ago) link

a second time there were two magician movies

the incredible burt wonderstone (2013)
now you see me (2013)

johnny crunch, Friday, 25 March 2016 11:21 (eight years ago) link

Because they were such anomalies at the time (two psycho-killer movies today wouldn't be notable), and because of the stature of the two directors, Psycho and Peeping Tom, both 1960.

clemenza, Friday, 25 March 2016 11:46 (eight years ago) link

I watched the British Robin Hood movie a few years ago, and it was really quite good, certainly better than Prince of Thieves. Possibly even the best Robin Hood feature film since the Errol Flynn era?

Tuomas, Friday, 25 March 2016 12:10 (eight years ago) link

i kind of feel like

things to do in denver when you're dead (1995)
the usual suspects (1995)

should qualify but there were so many, so many tarantino knockoffs produced in the 90s that at least two of them would necessarily (emphasis) had to have bryan ferry, with his floppy, insouciant hair and sharply, elegantly disarrayed suits, as a former gangster trying to go straight but he's dragged back into the crimeworld for one last job to save his flailing enterprise but it goes disastrously wrong with an ensemble cast and interpersonal quibbling and banter that i'm not really sure if it does.

slugbuggy, Friday, 25 March 2016 12:13 (eight years ago) link

Another one that's maybe a bit of a stretch but I think fits: the two grand-diva movies of 1950, Sunset Boulevard and All About Eve.

California Split and The Gambler, 1974.

clemenza, Friday, 25 March 2016 12:18 (eight years ago) link

Catch-22 and MASH, 1970--not just war films, but a very specific kind of Strangelove absurdist black comedy.

clemenza, Friday, 25 March 2016 13:11 (eight years ago) link

Also both given a "not Vietnam, but we're really talking about Vietnam" gloss by their directors.

T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Friday, 25 March 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link

The Prestige has Bowie-as-Tesla in it
The Illusionist is a bad movie but has Philip Glass' best score ever

got a long list of ILXors (fgti), Friday, 25 March 2016 13:42 (eight years ago) link

bridget jones' diary (2001)
legally blonde (200))

a blonde zaftig protagonist shows up at a party dressed in a bunny costume because they thought it was a costume party but it wasn't, but she wins the day despite things

slugbuggy, Friday, 25 March 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link

The Illusionist wasn't even the best movie named The Illusionist in recent times

François Pitchforkian (NickB), Friday, 25 March 2016 13:59 (eight years ago) link

legally blonde also 2001, not 200)

slugbuggy, Friday, 25 March 2016 14:00 (eight years ago) link

this all just reminds me when they made a big-budget movie based on the battleship board game and everybody was like "a movie based on a BOARD GAME god movies really have sunk to a new low", and all i could think of was how people said the same thing when the movie based on the board game clue came out in 1985. plus it had three different endings depending on which print you saw. total gimmick film.

except of course that film is fucking AMAZING.

if you make a good film on a stupid premise it will probably take longer for it to get appreciated but it will probably eventually become a cult classic. see also for instance the wachowskis making a film on the pretty bad '60s anime "speed racer" or rian johnson inexplicably deciding to make a movie in the trashy "star wars" series of films

I worked for the person who came up with the slogan "soup is good food." Research indicated that mothers had underlying anxiety about feeding children meals that had not been prepared from scratch; Campbell's play was to alleviate this using the simplest, most direct possible language. The underlying lesson, I think, was that sometimes a lack of cleverness is a type of cleverness.

― sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin)

a classic counterexample, someone who came up with ideas too clever for their own good, is stan freberg. he came up with this extremely elaborate busby berkeley extravaganza to promote a line of soups called the "great american soup" intended to compete with campbell's... people saw the ad and thought it was for campbell's soup. also see his ad campaign for the airline company that had just had some high-profile crashes... sophistication and irony are maybe not the best qualities for an ad campaign... it was nice to see daniel clowes getting work mind you.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 May 2023 14:26 (one year ago) link

Good post Kate.

Now I feel like maybe we have enough material to make a musical about canned food, which will be called...

Wait for it...

SOUP OPERA.

sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 May 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link

that made me think Ouija Boards were originally a board "game" made by Parker Brothers and imdb lists

1. Ouija: Origin of Evil (2016)
2. Ouija (II) (2014)
3. Ouija House (2018)
4. Ouija Seance: The Final Game (2018 TV Movie)

so we are back on topic 8)

koogs, Friday, 19 May 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link

the second Ouija was actually really fucking good.

the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 May 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Elvis (2022) & Priscilla (2023)

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 June 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link

Oh no, but he’s not a hero

Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 June 2023 19:35 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Indies about three dopey dudes who thieves and pull off a big heist after some enept smaller robberies: Bottle Rocket and Palookaville, both 1996

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 02:43 (eleven months ago) link

"who become thieves and try to pull off a major heist" & "inept smaller robberies "

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 02:46 (eleven months ago) link

The two O.J. projects (F/X series + 8-hour ESPN documentary). O.J.: Made in America screened at Sundance on Jan. 22, 2016; The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story debuted on Feb. 2, 2016, 11 days later.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 03:18 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

lol

deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 00:16 (nine months ago) link

Hah

Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 00:46 (nine months ago) link

four months pass...

From 2011:

“La Guerre des Boutons” (“The War of the Buttons”) is a comedic remake of a 1962 blockbuster about spirited boys fighting with catapults and wooden swords. It was released Wednesday in French theaters.

But in an unprecedented development here, a more melodramatic film of the same story, with the similar title “La Nouvelle Guerre des Boutons” (“The New War of the Buttons”), comes out just a week later.

Both scripts are based on the same book, “La Guerre des Boutons,” written in 1912 by Louis Pergaud. Both have the same co-producer, the privately owned television channel TF1, and the same budget, about 13 million euros, or nearly $18 million.

https://www.critique-film.fr/la-guerres-des-boutons-2-films-differents/

https://archive.is/IIjHG

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 December 2023 00:05 (five months ago) link

I suppose this sort of thing is going to keep happening as books fall out of copyright

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 December 2023 00:05 (five months ago) link

a 1912 book by someone who died in 1915 would've been public domain for a while though

koogs, Thursday, 28 December 2023 05:26 (five months ago) link

for some reason it didn’t enter the public domain until 2010, not sure why

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 December 2023 09:16 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Once upon a time there were two Jean Harlow biopics released five weeks apart:

Harlow (1965)
Harlow (1965)

henry s, Sunday, 28 January 2024 17:18 (four months ago) link

came on here to post this but emil.y beat me to it 8 years ago lol

emil.y at 3:42 26 Mar 16
The Double (2013, adapted from Dostoevsky's The Double)
Enemy (2013, adapted from Saramago's The Double)
Both deal with doppelgängers and identity.

kinder, Saturday, 3 February 2024 20:56 (four months ago) link

RIP Christopher Priest, without whom there would have only been one magician movie.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Saturday, 3 February 2024 21:28 (four months ago) link

RIP. He wrote a lot of great stuff.

Al Green Explores Your Mind Gardens (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:36 (four months ago) link

I have yet to watch the movie or read the book, been saving it up.

Al Green Explores Your Mind Gardens (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:45 (four months ago) link

Still need to finish Nina Allan’s The Rift as well, which starts out grebt.

Al Green Explores Your Mind Gardens (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 February 2024 22:46 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Immaculate
The First Omen

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 7 April 2024 15:57 (two months ago) link

Haha I just said the same thing to my friend.

Bizarre how similar they are

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 7 April 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link

Not just in "nun" premise but the first half hour of movie too

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 7 April 2024 16:18 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Two films based on the story of Bernard Jordan, escaping from his care home to attend D-Day anniversary.

The Great Escaper with Michael Caine, 6th October 2023.
The Last Rifleman with Piers Brosnan, 5th November 2023.

I’d seen the cover for The Last Rifleman and with Brosnan in it assumed it was a thriller of some sort.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:42 (one month ago) link

"Roller Boogie" and "Skatetown U.S.A.", both 1979

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 21 April 2024 21:22 (one month ago) link

This is a pretty loose one, but in the early '70s there were several movies about or involving on on some important level radio personalities/DJs:

WUSA, 1970
Vanishing Point, 1971
Play Misty For Me, 1971
The King of Marvin Gardens, 1972
American Graffiti, 1973

in that vein, i did see Vanishing Point and The Warriors closely together recent and thought the dj aspect was similar (Warriors was a bit later - '79)

koogs, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:32 (one month ago) link

I worked for the person who came up with the slogan "soup is good food." Research indicated that mothers had underlying anxiety about feeding children meals that had not been prepared from scratch; Campbell's play was to alleviate this using the simplest, most direct possible language. The underlying lesson, I think, was that sometimes a lack of cleverness is a type of cleverness.

whoa i remember being told that i went to college with the offspring of the person who invented this slogan but i have no recollection who that person was. what a strange intersection!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:56 (one month ago) link

I think that a lot of that work was done by Molly M. at Porter Novelli.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:53 (one month ago) link

The Warriors maybe pairs up better with The Fog (1980).

Might be stating the obvious, but I think radio DJs were just a bigger part of life back then, with a stronger presence as individuals, and (correct me if I'm wrong) more actual time of their voice on the air saying stuff. They were surely more prominent as local figures, and the intimacy of them being in everybody's cars and ears can't be discounted. So it makes sense that there'd be a lot of them in movies, just like having a lot of newspaper reporters, or politicians, or local business owners.

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link

This is a pretty loose one, but in the early '70s there were several movies about or involving on on some important level radio personalities/DJs:

WUSA, 1970
Vanishing Point, 1971
Play Misty For Me, 1971
The King of Marvin Gardens, 1972
American Graffiti, 1973

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain

There's also a low-budget Canadian entry in that same vein and timeframe: "Slipstream", starring Luke Askew as the DJ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipstream_(1973_film)

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link

And the movie FM, now only remembered because Steely Dan wrote the theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=316mipUnA-M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM:_The_Original_Movie_Soundtrack

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:37 (one month ago) link

The Warriors and The Wanderers work together too.

omar little, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBrRbcQuNl8

Dana Gould on "Soup is good food"

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 25 April 2024 22:27 (one month ago) link

FM lines up a little with WKRP on TV (both 1978).

There's certainly an analog in the characters:

Micheal Brandon/Gary Sandy
Martin Mull/Howard Hesseman
Cleavon Little/Tim Reid

henry s, Thursday, 25 April 2024 22:47 (one month ago) link

I remember seeing some comments about how that was merely coincidental, that radio stations of the era were all like that, with a burnout DJ, a hip Black guy, the frustrated program director etc.

Another one that lines up with FM is American Hot Wax, Floyd Mutrux's 1978 biopic of Alan Freed.

Two junkie movies in 1971: Panic in Needle Park and Born to Win.

― clemenza, Saturday, March 26, 2016 5:07 PM (eight years ago)

Dusty and Sweets McGee as well.

American Hot Wax probably could lineup with The Buddy Holly Story (also 1978).

...and also Dead Man's Curve, a 1978 TV biopic with Richard Hatch & Bruce Davison as Jan & Dean.

Old army buddies plan & execute a major heist in 1960:

Ocean's 11
The League of Gentlemen

Europa Europa (1990, Agnieszka Holland)
Europa (1991, Lars von Trier)

This confused the hell out of me at the time

prog ain't no religious cult (Matt #2), Friday, 26 April 2024 02:21 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Cannonball! and The Gumball Rally, 1976

The former is a race from LA to NYC, while the latter is one from NYC to Long Beach.

Movies about women getting across LA by any means necessary to attend a party: Izzy Gets The F*ck Across Town, 2017; and Booksmart, 2019.

On that tip, movies featuring a supporting role for Molly Gordon and are about young people in LA doing whatever to attend a party : Booksmart and Good Boys, 2019

This confused the hell out of me at the time

It was released in Australia and the US as “Zentropa” for this reason

bae (sic), Monday, 10 June 2024 08:22 (four days ago) link


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