Is anybody else watching The Expanse?

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"Set in a future where humanity has colonized the Solar System, it follows police detective Miller (Thomas Jane), ship's officer Jim Holden (Steven Strait), and his crew as they unravel a conspiracy that threatens peace across the System and the survival of humanity."

Reasons to love:

1. Thomas Jane's character is a hopeless dickhead and nobody likes him. By the last episode I watched (ep 5 - ep 6 aired tonight) I felt like the only person rooting for him, and only because I want to find out the answers! I love an irredeemable loser antihero, once in a while. And everybody calls him out on his stupid PUA hat. Which I think he wears mostly because his haircut is even worse. Good stuff.

2. Jared Harris speaking in a completely made-up space person accent (that no other character has?!?) and being an ice cold asteroid gangster! I should not have to go on!

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

4. the Martian Congressional Republic Navy, is a thing

5. a pretty important main character named "Fred Johnson" - science fiction, everybody

6. OK I guess the big draw is the space political thriller angle but you know what? Spaceships and crappy space detectives and gangsters in space. The UN and Mars and Belter Independence stuff or whatever is just kind of background noise imo.

*basically as far as I can tell they accomplished this, to the extent possible, by casting stocky folks as "Earthers" and rangier folks as "Belters." A for effort.

I can't be the only one watching this, you people are nerds

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 03:51 (three years ago) link

OK, I'm intrigued. Is the writing and acting any good?

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:11 (three years ago) link

Really uneven, but serviceable

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:17 (three years ago) link

this is pretty exciting so far, though i agree it works better as a sci-fi noir than as a political thriller

also it has Space Mormons

ciderpress, Saturday, 23 January 2016 18:39 (three years ago) link

Oh yes who could forget the LDS contracting to build a gigantic colony ship!

Why does Athena Karkanis' character care so much about Miller? Are they going to explain that at some point?

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:07 (three years ago) link

definitely the most promising SyFy series in a good while, although the pilot held my attention a lot more than the subsequent episodes

some dude, Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

i read and remember nothing of the book (first in a series i believe) except that it felt like screenplay bait. one of the pseudonymous authors is one of george r r martin's attendants

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:19 (three years ago) link

show is good tho, sometimes it feels pleasingly cheap (drinks in a space bar that looked chintzier than ten forward, a future montana ranch house that looks a whole lot like a 21st century montana ranch house)

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:20 (three years ago) link

Started the book, solid B so far

calstars, Saturday, 23 January 2016 23:32 (three years ago) link

most recent episode was super tense, v good imo

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2016 22:31 (three years ago) link

i just started watching this --- i like it for all the above reasons

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:10 (three years ago) link

I got kinda bored midway through the pilot (soooo much exposition) can I jump in a bit later or

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 00:13 (three years ago) link

nah it moves pretty fast except for maybe one ep in the middle of the season i forget which. if you didn't like the pilot then idk

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:51 (three years ago) link

maybe moving fast is the wrong way to say it since the 2 main plots for most of the season are detective investigation and space survival neither of which involve a lot of direct conflict, but i never got the feeling of it being stretched out like i do with a lot of shows

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:55 (three years ago) link

I've been watching it... really enjoyed the most recent episode, promises to be a good finale

Feels more like Chinatown In Space than anything

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:21 (three years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:23 (three years ago) link

in space, no one can hear you

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:34 (three years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:23 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thomas Jane went to the space barber and said "give me the Gary Oldman in Fifth Element"

77 lines about 77 albums i haven't heard (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:19 (three years ago) link


Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:39 (three years ago) link

Make me look like I used to own a skate shop

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:40 (three years ago) link


jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:03 (three years ago) link

i admit that I got a bit bored with all the worldbuilding, and that fake southern?/texan? dude who talks to spaceship computers like they're truckstop waitresses was almost a bridge too far... but I appreciate having a halfway decent scifi show on SyFy again so I am not complaining

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:25 (three years ago) link

the books are good n' popcorny. kind of a shame that the TV series starts w/ the first novel, which is definitely the worst of the whole shebang.

remy bean, Monday, 1 February 2016 02:31 (three years ago) link

So the second-to-last episode of Season 1 spends a LOT of time inside a derelict and it is great creepy television. I loved how they mixed the soundtrack low so you're really just listening to magnetic boots on metal gangplanks almost the entire time, which you then realize is also the only thing any of the characters can hear.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:36 (three years ago) link

I was gonna watch this but Hulu won't let me watch on TV. Booooo

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 8 February 2016 19:51 (three years ago) link

i watched it at syfy's website

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:00 (three years ago) link

oh wait missed the "on TV" part n/m

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:01 (three years ago) link

amos and the UN lady are both super compelling actors, look forward to more of this show

adam, Monday, 8 February 2016 20:13 (three years ago) link

One small nitpick - the action sequence towards the end (of the second to last episode) was a little choppy. I rewound it a few times and still had to just make some assumptions about how a couple things happened / who did what. Even then - how did that grenade not go off?

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 22:16 (three years ago) link

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

also a pleasingly hard sci fi plausible-ish near future involving asteroid mining and no (at least so far) fanciful alien species or completely out there tech. like it seems like space travel actually involves orbital mechanics in this

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 23:31 (three years ago) link

finale 2-parter was great

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 04:55 (three years ago) link

xp yeah one of the things i like most about this show is that it really gives a sense of how fragile humanity in space is

ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:09 (three years ago) link

Just binged. Its been such a desert for good space sci-fi that I didn't look too closely for seams. The gumshoe with the dodgy haircut was the comic relief, some good character actors in the bit roles, the sets are appropriately gritty and/or antiseptic, the effects crew clearly communicate the lonely peril of deep space, and the show runners are clearly love their hard sci-fi. And I want the actress playing Avasarala to purr in my ear.

Glad to have some episodic sci-fi to look forward to, now that Continuum has wrapped its loose ends.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 01:42 (three years ago) link

Winchell Chung, creator of the terrific hard sci-fi resource Atomic Rockets, gives The Expanse his Seal of Approval. I agree with every word.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Friday, 19 February 2016 04:51 (three years ago) link

can't believe we have to wait 9 months to find out what the hell is going on

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Sunday, 21 February 2016 05:40 (three years ago) link

if only there was like a whole bunch of books based on the tv show but like that actually ran ahead of the tv show that we could read

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Sunday, 21 February 2016 06:14 (three years ago) link

wait did continuum turn out to be good? the pilot was kinda rough and i never saw more

adam, Sunday, 21 February 2016 14:23 (three years ago) link

It was better than any time-travelling cop series had a right to be, and while the budgets shranked, the writing became more interesting. I'll be frank, though: My initial attraction was Rachel Nichols in a cat suit.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Sunday, 21 February 2016 15:30 (three years ago) link

guys i watched the first episode and.... really?


space sex


illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:52 (three years ago) link

it was like every crap 90s 'graphic novel' cliche throwd into one

only thing i liked apart from the awesome opening exposition title cards was the tense horror movie stuff p much

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:55 (three years ago) link

ok i've actually read the thread now and

People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!
- that was cool

made-up accent that no one has - it's supposed to be a kind of 'third world' Belter accent, right? to hammer home the allegory of the exploited other-class?

'flip n burn' was pretty good


illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:58 (three years ago) link

I've read (and really) enjoyed all the pulpy popcorn books & novellas and thought the first episode was pretty ropey. However, it gets much better and by the end is easily one of the best sci-fi shows in years and probably the best thing SyFy have done since BG.

groovypanda, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:24 (three years ago) link

space sex only happens in the first episode because there's an unwritten rule now that all tv pilots need sexual content regardless of the tone of the show

ciderpress, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:37 (three years ago) link

By ep 4 it starts getting really good afaict

It has been distracting seeing my doppelganger the medic

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:22 (three years ago) link

I couldn't get past the first ep of this, might give it another shot.

calzino, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:32 (three years ago) link

the other recent new SyFy show The Magicians (which is imo better than The Expanse) ALSO had gravity-defying midair sex in the pilot

some dude, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:40 (three years ago) link

I like both shows a lot, nice to see SyFy step it up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:41 (three years ago) link

I've read all the Magicians books too and whilst I'm enjoying the show, I think The Expanse is much better.

Do they go out at different times in the States? It's noticeable that whilst Avasarala is very foul mouthed in the books, on the show she's not whereas The Magicians seems to have no problems dropping in the f-word several times each episode.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 13:20 (three years ago) link

There's been a recent trend towards series that air on non-sweary networks to throw in curses they can't actually air and just blank them out. (This is especially glaring on American Crime, where - I assume as a deliberate aesthetic choice - every "fuck" is announced with a few frames of completely blacked-out screen.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 15:52 (three years ago) link

I assume it's because they know/hope the unedited versions will be available on DVD

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:07 (three years ago) link

yes that took me 24 hours

goole, Thursday, 5 September 2019 16:23 (one month ago) link

been thinking about mark's post, about what i think is my fave aspect of the show:

i don't find this surprising or unconvincing, it's part of their world -- yes of course they know in their bones lots of stuff i have a v dim grasp of at best -- but the show is i think very good abt getting across the mind-expansive* element of this newer layer of technical knowledge, even as they're showing basically p ordinary people who've mastered it (alex is an excellent space pilot but he's not a marvel superhero). so we get the high-speed mastered competence but also retain a sense of the OMIGOD WOW cultural effect it's going to be having

a LOT of onscreen SF is not actually that good at bringing these two wings of SF into such intimate working contact? (except sometimes conceptually sometimes, like with the stunt eps of o/g stark trek where the alien is an omnipotent baby or all the people on a planet are under the age of 10 or whatever). but i'm talking abt a different kind of juxtaposition of ordinary and extraordinary: like we can actually get a sense of it in the fingertips of these ppl, even if some of them are basically twerps like the Xtreme rockhopper-racer -- they have casual physical dominion over a space and its technics that we can currently only dab it on diagrams, but this show is good at getting across a (of course faked) sense of what might be practical; and routine and even tiresome abt such mastery, without masking what we find startling

lol i need to go to bed, i don't think this is any clearer at all

*blimey i think i just twigged something

― mark s, Monday, July 8, 2019 5:45 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

i realized in watching this that i was dimly aware of some of the technical underpinnings here from gaming. gnarly dry stuff like GURPS Space and Transhuman Space that of course i never played. accel/deceleration & spin gravity, how the captured atmospheres work, some solar geography, why the ship weapons all seem sort of primitive (no lasers), the effects of low-g on the human frame -- even gestation is brought up at one point? people like having their babies on ganymede?

i wonder where, if not for games, this body of factoids would be kept? i'm really unfamiliar with hard sf discourse otherwise. it all flows upward: basic physics implies the engineering which implies the political economy. at least, that's the refreshingly dorky seduction of it. since it's "real" they can get down to character, conspiracies, hats, accents. i've found recent high-concept scifi stuff like black mirror less interesting

ok maybe the space thrusters are not real, the amount of energy involved there is like big, right

goole, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:46 (one month ago) link

i think it's essentially the equiv of releasing a fire extinguisher - just using controlled depressurisatons of stored gases (which is why they don't show up in radar)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 8 September 2019 09:43 (one month ago) link

er no I meant the big g-inducing drives for interplanetary travel.

which are, interestingly, given their own origin story in flashback! one of 3 things to get one iirc, along with Fred Johnson's war crime and the Mao family dynamic

goole, Monday, 9 September 2019 02:20 (one month ago) link

I can’t remember if it’s mentioned in the show but in the books, which I just started, they explain the origin of the unfortunately-named Epstein drive

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 02:55 (one month ago) link

I have trouble separating the books from the show but fairly sure there was a sequence in one episode that showed Epstein in his ship and unable to reach the non voice-activated controls due to the g-forces involved.

groovypanda, Monday, 9 September 2019 09:03 (one month ago) link

there was

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 September 2019 09:37 (one month ago) link

that was the origin story of the drive!

thankfully he left the schematics behind, because his test journey was a one-way trip

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 14:10 (one month ago) link

in the show the flashback is narrated by epstein himself, which lends an odd effect once you realise he is speaking from the great beyond

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 September 2019 14:19 (one month ago) link

the expanse, if you will

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 September 2019 14:19 (one month ago) link

The first person narration makes more sense in the written context. The novels, and anciliary novellas like "Drive", all have viewpoint characters (which rotate in the novels).

Wise for most of the broadcast series to avoid this, as it would be 30 hours of voiceover ala the studio cut of Blade Runner.

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Monday, 9 September 2019 14:43 (one month ago) link

there's a rotation of viewpoint characters, but I believe everything I've read so far is second person perspective. not omniscient, although there's enough overlap between chapters to provide a preview of what's about to happen before they rotate

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:32 (one month ago) link

it's like Game of Thrones that way

sarahell, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:58 (one month ago) link

second person perspective

Third person, surely?

Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:17 (one month ago) link

hmm yes, not sure how I thought "third" and typed "second"

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:27 (one month ago) link

Miller? MILLER!!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:31 (one month ago) link

coupla tidbits from wiki

"Ty Franck began developing the world of The Expanse initially as the setting for a MMORPG and, after a number of years, for a tabletop roleplaying game. Daniel Abraham, who had authored a number of novels on his own, suggested, given the depth of the setting, that it could serve for the basis for a series of novels. "People who write books don't do this much research", Abraham has said."

"Franck writes all the Holden, Bobbie and Anna chapters, while Abraham writes the Miller, Melba, Avasarala, Bull and Prax chapters."

goole, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:05 (one month ago) link

"You don't sa-sa nothing--me crush ass to dust!" lmao

Dan I., Thursday, 12 September 2019 23:07 (one month ago) link

My only complaint is that a lot of the character arcs and dialogue in the finale seemed off. Ashford in particular, I get that they were trying to make him a noble antagonist but but it really seemed to come out of nowhere. And Melba, whose storyline has always seemed kinda dumb tbh, asking a stranger if one good deed will make up for a lifetime of bad choices was just awful writing and totally unnecessary.

JoeStork i found myself agreeing with this once I finally got to the last episode on my rewatch last night. It's extremely weird that these things happen in this sequence:

1) ashford and drummer have a profound near-death experience together, where each is willing to sacrifice their lives for the other
2) once holden's plan to turn off all the ship drives is hatched, they immediately consider ashford the enemy - they don't even bother trying to explain it to him
3) and this is BEFORE they even know of ashford's plan to turn the comms laser into a giant knife.

the less said about melba the better. though i would appreciate knowing where her intermittent superstrength / ham-mode comes from? i don't recall it being explained

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 September 2019 08:40 (one month ago) link

it is explained fairly quickly -- her powers come from these glandular modifications(?) which is in keeping with the sci-fi biotech being used for sketchy purposes that figured more in the first season.

sarahell, Saturday, 14 September 2019 21:41 (one month ago) link

The “Pinus Contorta”? Haha

Dan I., Sunday, 15 September 2019 01:22 (four weeks ago) link

I'm so happy I watched this show. This is right up next to tng as my favorite science fiction TV ever.

Dan I., Tuesday, 17 September 2019 02:57 (three weeks ago) link

Way better than TNG! (I'm not particularly a Trek fan)

chap, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:08 (three weeks ago) link

i've only started watching this (which is to say I binged all the way through the second episode of season 2) and it's really impressive. The plotting is maybe the most impressive part thus far, but the acting is mostly really good as well. Thomas Jane is great and makes for a really fine antihero/detective in over his head/asshole with a heart of gold. The character walks a fine line between understanding why most other people think he's a dick but also why he's an extremely good guy who is covering up the fact he's damaged goods. Shohreh Aghdashloo just completely owns.

What's most impressive though i think is the sense of a fully populated system -- to cite a recent example, Game of Thrones had multiple episodes taking place in a city of a million people and it felt like there were a couple thousands people at most in the entire place (vs earlier seasons, where the filmmaking was crafty enough to use less scope to hint at a more populated world). And the entire world of Westeros just felt sparsely populated, like an empty game board upon which you moved around the pieces that were main characters until half of them were gone, collected by your opponent. But here, even with a much lower budget, you get the real sense of humanity having spread out. And I appreciate the limited reach of the story; they've only gone so far into the solar system, but not beyond (at least at this point that seems to be the case). I'm sure it's been pointed out previously but it makes life in space look like a real chore, you can see how easy people have it just living a life on earth vs the strain of trying to be merely normal on an asteroid or Mars.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:39 (three weeks ago) link

I've got to really get moving on my reading or renew my library loan

The books are a lot closer to the show than what I'd been led to believe, but I am guessing the deviations start to pile up after a while. With the exception of Bobbie and maybe Naomi, I've had no difficulty envisioning the tv actors in the book roles.

Really hard to cast it in a way that really gets the belter body types that are described in the novels

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:48 (three weeks ago) link

i know Bobbie is a main character moving forward, but I've only seen her in several scenes since they just introduced her. Even so at this point the particular intensity of that actor's performance is really something.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:51 (three weeks ago) link

it's a good character arc, someone who's highly competent and gets fucked over and thrown into a mess, only to be offered opportunities that are completely foreign to her

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:13 (three weeks ago) link

They did kind of drop the "Belters can't function at 1G" thing after the early S1 gravity torture bit. I mean, I don't think they've ever shown a belter visiting earth, but there have been lots of times that belter characters have been shown to be exposed to artificial gravity sources, right? (especially that notable occasion near the end of S3) Was the guy that got tortured a special kind of never-felt-gravity Belter, or are they all supposed to be like that?

Dan I., Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:23 (three weeks ago) link


Dan I., Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:26 (three weeks ago) link

Some belters are born and develop on the float (0 g), others in places like Ganymede (0.146 g) or Ceres (0.33 g). Also in the premiere, there's a huge variation in quality of bone-development medication, ranging to sub-par (Miller's) to counterfeit (the skinny belter with the shivers).

hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:29 (three weeks ago) link

makes sense!

Dan I., Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:37 (three weeks ago) link

I was reading about a real-life rocket plane test flight program yesterday and actually mumbled, "I didn't think you could take that many Gs without being on the juice"

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:43 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Teaser trailer for season 4

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 7 October 2019 01:28 (one week ago) link

Niiiice. Burn Gorman living up to his name very explicitly there.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 00:35 (six days ago) link

i'll take that with a side of fries

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 07:57 (six days ago) link


FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 16:37 (six days ago) link

Just started the books, so far so good. though it's fair to say that they don't spend a lot of time of visual descriptions--wondering how I'd be imagining most of the settings if it weren't for the TV series.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 October 2019 00:20 (four days ago) link

I imagine it as a lot crappier and more cramped than the TV also bigger physical distinctions between betters, earthers and Martians

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:18 (four days ago) link

My physics nerd side still prefers the book's Razorback cabin, no larger than a Gemini capsule. There's absolutely no reason for the gimbaled seating, in a cabin larger than my living room in the TV version, aside from visual appeal. All that mass comes at a price...

Inherent Contempt (Sanpaku), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:44 (four days ago) link

yeah i never really got why it was so ~spacious~
seemed v impractical

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 October 2019 02:04 (four days ago) link

In the book avasarala gets the one couch and Bobby wedges her power armour in place and lets the armour deal with the Gs. It’s actually a much better image in my mind.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 10 October 2019 02:09 (four days ago) link

N Y C C 2 0 1 9 :) @ExpanseOnPrime #TheExpanse

— Dominique Tipper (@Mi55Tipper) October 5, 2019

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 10 October 2019 04:37 (four days ago) link

yeah i never really got why it was so ~spacious~

That's because they are in
... space.

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 05:03 (four days ago) link

an expanse, if you will

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 October 2019 07:26 (four days ago) link

I have now read all the books, but have yet to read any of the short stories. a

I think I started with the series around August 20 so it’s been a ride

mh, Thursday, 10 October 2019 09:55 (four days ago) link

"Strange Dogs" gives background to some of the stuff in Tiamat's Wrath, but I found the short stories to be poorly written.

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 17:21 (four days ago) link

I just enjoyed the backstory they gave to various characters like Bobbie, Amos & Johnson.

groovypanda, Friday, 11 October 2019 08:31 (three days ago) link

The writing seems pretty variable in the main books too. Perhaps one of Corey is better than the other Corey?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 October 2019 11:34 (three days ago) link

Ty Franck devised the universe of the Expanse (a binder full of background info) as setting for a tabletop role-playing game, and handles half the viewpoint chapters, including those for the character Holden. Daniel Abraham, former assistant to George R. R. Martin and published author in his own right, handles the other half of chapters, including those for detective Miller. They plotted out the 9-book arc before starting, divy up plot beats for each book, and then write their respective viewpoint chapters, then the other author reviews and lightly edits the other's chapters for continuity/science. Abraham has the harder job editing, as many of Franck's "pear-shaped" situations and air "tasting of copper" still find their way in.

Inherent Contempt (Sanpaku), Friday, 11 October 2019 15:34 (three days ago) link

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