Is anybody else watching The Expanse?

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"Set in a future where humanity has colonized the Solar System, it follows police detective Miller (Thomas Jane), ship's officer Jim Holden (Steven Strait), and his crew as they unravel a conspiracy that threatens peace across the System and the survival of humanity."

Reasons to love:

1. Thomas Jane's character is a hopeless dickhead and nobody likes him. By the last episode I watched (ep 5 - ep 6 aired tonight) I felt like the only person rooting for him, and only because I want to find out the answers! I love an irredeemable loser antihero, once in a while. And everybody calls him out on his stupid PUA hat. Which I think he wears mostly because his haircut is even worse. Good stuff.

2. Jared Harris speaking in a completely made-up space person accent (that no other character has?!?) and being an ice cold asteroid gangster! I should not have to go on!

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

4. the Martian Congressional Republic Navy, is a thing

5. a pretty important main character named "Fred Johnson" - science fiction, everybody

6. OK I guess the big draw is the space political thriller angle but you know what? Spaceships and crappy space detectives and gangsters in space. The UN and Mars and Belter Independence stuff or whatever is just kind of background noise imo.

*basically as far as I can tell they accomplished this, to the extent possible, by casting stocky folks as "Earthers" and rangier folks as "Belters." A for effort.

I can't be the only one watching this, you people are nerds

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 03:51 (four years ago) link

OK, I'm intrigued. Is the writing and acting any good?

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:11 (four years ago) link

Really uneven, but serviceable

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:17 (four years ago) link

this is pretty exciting so far, though i agree it works better as a sci-fi noir than as a political thriller

also it has Space Mormons

ciderpress, Saturday, 23 January 2016 18:39 (four years ago) link

Oh yes who could forget the LDS contracting to build a gigantic colony ship!

Why does Athena Karkanis' character care so much about Miller? Are they going to explain that at some point?

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:07 (four years ago) link

definitely the most promising SyFy series in a good while, although the pilot held my attention a lot more than the subsequent episodes

some dude, Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

i read and remember nothing of the book (first in a series i believe) except that it felt like screenplay bait. one of the pseudonymous authors is one of george r r martin's attendants

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:19 (four years ago) link

show is good tho, sometimes it feels pleasingly cheap (drinks in a space bar that looked chintzier than ten forward, a future montana ranch house that looks a whole lot like a 21st century montana ranch house)

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:20 (four years ago) link

Started the book, solid B so far

calstars, Saturday, 23 January 2016 23:32 (four years ago) link

most recent episode was super tense, v good imo

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2016 22:31 (four years ago) link

i just started watching this --- i like it for all the above reasons

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:10 (four years ago) link

I got kinda bored midway through the pilot (soooo much exposition) can I jump in a bit later or

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 00:13 (four years ago) link

nah it moves pretty fast except for maybe one ep in the middle of the season i forget which. if you didn't like the pilot then idk

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:51 (four years ago) link

maybe moving fast is the wrong way to say it since the 2 main plots for most of the season are detective investigation and space survival neither of which involve a lot of direct conflict, but i never got the feeling of it being stretched out like i do with a lot of shows

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:55 (four years ago) link

I've been watching it... really enjoyed the most recent episode, promises to be a good finale

Feels more like Chinatown In Space than anything

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:21 (four years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:23 (four years ago) link

in space, no one can hear you

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:34 (four years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:23 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thomas Jane went to the space barber and said "give me the Gary Oldman in Fifth Element"

77 lines about 77 albums i haven't heard (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:19 (four years ago) link


Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:39 (four years ago) link

Make me look like I used to own a skate shop

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:40 (four years ago) link


jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:03 (four years ago) link

i admit that I got a bit bored with all the worldbuilding, and that fake southern?/texan? dude who talks to spaceship computers like they're truckstop waitresses was almost a bridge too far... but I appreciate having a halfway decent scifi show on SyFy again so I am not complaining

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:25 (four years ago) link

the books are good n' popcorny. kind of a shame that the TV series starts w/ the first novel, which is definitely the worst of the whole shebang.

remy bean, Monday, 1 February 2016 02:31 (four years ago) link

So the second-to-last episode of Season 1 spends a LOT of time inside a derelict and it is great creepy television. I loved how they mixed the soundtrack low so you're really just listening to magnetic boots on metal gangplanks almost the entire time, which you then realize is also the only thing any of the characters can hear.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

I was gonna watch this but Hulu won't let me watch on TV. Booooo

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 8 February 2016 19:51 (four years ago) link

i watched it at syfy's website

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:00 (four years ago) link

oh wait missed the "on TV" part n/m

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:01 (four years ago) link

amos and the UN lady are both super compelling actors, look forward to more of this show

adam, Monday, 8 February 2016 20:13 (four years ago) link

One small nitpick - the action sequence towards the end (of the second to last episode) was a little choppy. I rewound it a few times and still had to just make some assumptions about how a couple things happened / who did what. Even then - how did that grenade not go off?

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 22:16 (four years ago) link

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

also a pleasingly hard sci fi plausible-ish near future involving asteroid mining and no (at least so far) fanciful alien species or completely out there tech. like it seems like space travel actually involves orbital mechanics in this

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 23:31 (four years ago) link

finale 2-parter was great

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 04:55 (four years ago) link

xp yeah one of the things i like most about this show is that it really gives a sense of how fragile humanity in space is

ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:09 (four years ago) link

Just binged. Its been such a desert for good space sci-fi that I didn't look too closely for seams. The gumshoe with the dodgy haircut was the comic relief, some good character actors in the bit roles, the sets are appropriately gritty and/or antiseptic, the effects crew clearly communicate the lonely peril of deep space, and the show runners are clearly love their hard sci-fi. And I want the actress playing Avasarala to purr in my ear.

Glad to have some episodic sci-fi to look forward to, now that Continuum has wrapped its loose ends.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 01:42 (four years ago) link

Winchell Chung, creator of the terrific hard sci-fi resource Atomic Rockets, gives The Expanse his Seal of Approval. I agree with every word.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Friday, 19 February 2016 04:51 (four years ago) link

can't believe we have to wait 9 months to find out what the hell is going on

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Sunday, 21 February 2016 05:40 (four years ago) link

if only there was like a whole bunch of books based on the tv show but like that actually ran ahead of the tv show that we could read

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Sunday, 21 February 2016 06:14 (four years ago) link

wait did continuum turn out to be good? the pilot was kinda rough and i never saw more

adam, Sunday, 21 February 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

It was better than any time-travelling cop series had a right to be, and while the budgets shranked, the writing became more interesting. I'll be frank, though: My initial attraction was Rachel Nichols in a cat suit.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Sunday, 21 February 2016 15:30 (four years ago) link

guys i watched the first episode and.... really?


space sex


illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:52 (four years ago) link

it was like every crap 90s 'graphic novel' cliche throwd into one

only thing i liked apart from the awesome opening exposition title cards was the tense horror movie stuff p much

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:55 (four years ago) link

ok i've actually read the thread now and

People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!
- that was cool

made-up accent that no one has - it's supposed to be a kind of 'third world' Belter accent, right? to hammer home the allegory of the exploited other-class?

'flip n burn' was pretty good


illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:58 (four years ago) link

I've read (and really) enjoyed all the pulpy popcorn books & novellas and thought the first episode was pretty ropey. However, it gets much better and by the end is easily one of the best sci-fi shows in years and probably the best thing SyFy have done since BG.

groovypanda, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:24 (four years ago) link

space sex only happens in the first episode because there's an unwritten rule now that all tv pilots need sexual content regardless of the tone of the show

ciderpress, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:37 (four years ago) link

By ep 4 it starts getting really good afaict

It has been distracting seeing my doppelganger the medic

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:22 (three years ago) link

I couldn't get past the first ep of this, might give it another shot.

calzino, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:32 (three years ago) link

the other recent new SyFy show The Magicians (which is imo better than The Expanse) ALSO had gravity-defying midair sex in the pilot

some dude, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:40 (three years ago) link

I like both shows a lot, nice to see SyFy step it up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:41 (three years ago) link

I've read all the Magicians books too and whilst I'm enjoying the show, I think The Expanse is much better.

Do they go out at different times in the States? It's noticeable that whilst Avasarala is very foul mouthed in the books, on the show she's not whereas The Magicians seems to have no problems dropping in the f-word several times each episode.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 13:20 (three years ago) link

There's been a recent trend towards series that air on non-sweary networks to throw in curses they can't actually air and just blank them out. (This is especially glaring on American Crime, where - I assume as a deliberate aesthetic choice - every "fuck" is announced with a few frames of completely blacked-out screen.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 15:52 (three years ago) link

I assume it's because they know/hope the unedited versions will be available on DVD

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:07 (three years ago) link


Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:59 (three months ago) link


Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 02:38 (three months ago) link

Same day as UK election results - will be some consolation in the event of a Tory majority I suppose.

chap, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 11:13 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Season 4 is up.

полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Friday, 13 December 2019 00:06 (two months ago) link

aww chap, I just had the same thought

starting it right now and I can’t wait for Holden to start pulling rabbits out of his hat

mh, Friday, 13 December 2019 00:24 (two months ago) link

Oh right saw a non series thing was up on pirate bay. Had serial number including 00 and I haven't had a closer look. So may be making of special or something.
So thought new season must be due.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 December 2019 00:27 (two months ago) link

watch out, there’s a series summary clip (maybe that 00 thing) narrated by... Kevin Smith

I can report that I have watched it and it summarizes the series thus far reasonably well but the attempts at humor are bad

mh, Friday, 13 December 2019 00:33 (two months ago) link

thank fuck for the expanse.

it will be weird not having to wait a week in between episodes.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 01:15 (two months ago) link

they’re going a different direction with the planetary hijinks than the books and it’s working pretty well so far! (watching episode 2)

mh, Friday, 13 December 2019 01:30 (two months ago) link

I’m wondering how many hours of sleep I absolutely need to be able to work semi-productively tmrw.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 13 December 2019 03:55 (two months ago) link

Wife is out at her Christmas party tonight so wondering how many episodes I can cram in

groovypanda, Friday, 13 December 2019 08:33 (two months ago) link

i managed to do four before the cold medication took me out.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 13 December 2019 14:22 (two months ago) link

It's okay (minimal spoilers):

We won't hear more talk of unlimited Bezos money, as several scenes called for an Emmerich production and got a non-premium TV budget. "A" plot adapts the (by consensus) weakest book in the series. Burn Gorman plays to type, the red shirt death counter ticks up, but it all feels stakeless compared to prior seasons. Of the three "B" plots, "OPA self-policing" is good (esp. Inaros casting); "Bobbie Breaks Bad" is rote, but usefully presages the Martian existential crisis, and has the best action scenes to date; and the "UN West Wing" plot is dire (Pres. Roslin couldn't save it).

Aside: those with subwoofers and downstairs neighbors will need to turn it down. So many doom WHOOMPs and drones that that Zimmer might be embarrassed.

полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Friday, 13 December 2019 19:52 (two months ago) link

I’m enjoying it a bit more than that!

The subtext is made clear where I’m at, 2/3rds of the way in, in a monologue by the bent cop Bobbie’s fallen in with. The promise of terraforming Mars seems hollow when there are new planets already capable of life beyond the gates, Earth is feeling the pinch — and it’s likely going to be worse by season end I’m guessing — and the OPA is at war with itself. Meanwhile, the Roci crew are seeing what happens when those promised new worlds backfire.

I’m feeling the tension! And I don’t mind a lack of large scale effects when the smaller sets and the camp work pretty well. It’s a very claustrophobic show, tbh

mh, Friday, 13 December 2019 20:27 (two months ago) link

There's tension in the pileup of Blackwater 2350, biblical disasters and afflictions, to be sure. We need two hands to count the ways our heroes are imperiled to certain death by Ep 8. But until the final scenes, these only endanger the Roci crew and a few dozen mostly extras, which is a pronounced reduction in stakes compared to prior big-bads...

полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:12 (two months ago) link

Going out tonight, planning to start watching this over the weekend.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 13 December 2019 21:18 (two months ago) link

i'm going in!

(actually went in 10 mins ago so no one could stop me)

mark s, Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:53 (two months ago) link

"It's good advice"

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:57 (two months ago) link

god i love these guys

mark s, Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:59 (two months ago) link

Not even close to being Amos's best line this episode.

"What was she wearing?"

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 14 December 2019 20:05 (two months ago) link

“I’m just going to see if it works”

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 December 2019 20:25 (two months ago) link

loved the first episode - boom, straight in, let's go

pvmic but I didn't realize how much I'd missed Amos' upper arms <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 December 2019 20:37 (two months ago) link

on episode 3 - Amos is basically playing out Justified in Space which I am thoroughly into

Simon H., Sunday, 15 December 2019 04:08 (two months ago) link

Thought "What was she wearing?" was a swing and a miss. Only "I'm free right now" rises to join the Hall of past Amos one-liners.

полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Sunday, 15 December 2019 04:40 (two months ago) link

They’ve skirted around the edges of Amos’s morality a bit, possibly from lacking more of his backstory... but they’re catching up

He’s such a singular presence in the books, because the idea that killing someone who needs killing could affect his mental state or karma? Absolutely not an issue. It’s a sidecar to the Holden narrative logic — if he kills them they needed kill in’, if he saves them then he’s right

mh, Sunday, 15 December 2019 06:00 (two months ago) link

I didn't get into this season until episode 7/8, but once it clicks, whoa.

Really like the way that they interweaved the setup for the next book into this season.

Shohreh chewing the scenery is fun.

I've been thinking about how Naomi speaks noticeably slower when she's switched to Belter (as opposed to when she's talking to her Roci crewmates), I figure that's because when you have to communicate over transmissions, going at a measured pace probably helps with comprehension.

Also goddammit the arc for that one character who is hateable in the books but isn't on the show...

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Monday, 16 December 2019 21:05 (two months ago) link

i love everyone

mark s, Monday, 16 December 2019 21:06 (two months ago) link

I forgot to rewind and check -- was that Filip that set off the bomb that Bobbie escapes just in the nick of time?

mh, Monday, 16 December 2019 21:07 (two months ago) link

Oh the Bobbie stuff... some of it is kind of "What were they thinking?" I mean, I get she's a marine and maybe that's why her tradecraft probably sucks...?

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Monday, 16 December 2019 21:09 (two months ago) link

It was a little clumsy but I get where they're coming from -- extricating her nephew from the drug cartel is pulled straight from a short story, and putting her in the middle of the equipment smuggling places a main character in the plot to set up exactly where all that material's going

mh, Monday, 16 December 2019 21:21 (two months ago) link

It'll be interesting to see how far they lean into making Marc the anti-Holden

fuckin' Marco

mh, Monday, 16 December 2019 21:22 (two months ago) link

It was a little clumsy but I get where they're coming from

Oh I get why they did it (beats having her being on the dole for a whole season), I just wish she didn't try to be so naively chummy with the other folks in that criminal conspiracy ("Hi, I'm Bobbie Draper, you may know me from all those times I betrayed Mars"). OTOH I liked how they adapted Leelee, whose characterization in the short story is problematic (granted the misogyny could be ascribed to the viewpoint character, but I kind of felt the weight of authorial intent too).

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Monday, 16 December 2019 21:45 (two months ago) link

i wish that every actor in everything was as good as drummer and ashford are in this show. those two make me really feel like i'm on a spaceship.

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 01:46 (two months ago) link

just watched the first season; i liked it, but the sheer commitment to making miller and alex as corny as possible is exhausting

also lol at how every minor guest actor was also in orphan black or bsg or discovery -- a canadian mafia is controlling our sci-fi series

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 05:17 (two months ago) link

an actor in one of these three? based in toronto, they be

mh, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 14:41 (two months ago) link

i've been trying to get on it as their version of a red shirt for a while now.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:38 (two months ago) link

Oh and I'm not a fan of this character but another highlight of the season, described in two words: bloody smile.

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 18:24 (two months ago) link

Kinda amusing in S3E04 when Zeph and Pippin from Killjoys stage a mutiny aboard the Roci.

полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:58 (two months ago) link

"Well, if I'm not, I'm acing my Turing Test."

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 23:31 (two months ago) link

Oh and I'm not a fan of this character but another highlight of the season, described in two words: bloody smile.

"Thank you"

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 23:32 (two months ago) link

Finished up last night. I liked the stuff on Illus, but the belter, Mars and UN election subplots were pretty weak. She has a cool voice, but Shohreh Aghdashloo is just not a good line reader. And her husband was such a weird, sort-of condescending character. Zero ZERO chemistry with those two.

Other thoughts:
I can’t believe they didn’t throw Murtry off that bridge to “fall until he died.” Chekhov’s bridge!

I haven’t read the books, but it seems like Miller and then Dr Okoye both experienced some kind of interactions with some kind of super AI(s)? Not sure how you should film stuff like that, but in SF books, that’s often some of the most thrilling material. On this show, it seemed kinda vague and they didn’t really discuss it.

Amos is still the MVP. Bobby was also good in parts but I didn’t really understand her moral journey.

Still looking forward to the next season!

DJI, Friday, 20 December 2019 17:35 (two months ago) link

On ep 6 or so and the Ilus plot is really feeling like a 3- or 4-episode story stretched out to season length

Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 17:41 (two months ago) link

I'd have loved for this to be another bifurcated season, s3-style. I thought that was a great format for them.

Simon H., Friday, 20 December 2019 17:43 (two months ago) link

Simon: that's the experience of reading book 4 (Cibola Burn), which covers the Ilus plot. The books are split between 8 (and soon 9) novels considered "obligatory", and 8 (soon 10?) "optional" novellas restricted to world building and character background. The parts of book 4 that advance the series arc are limited; one could safely cntl-F for "Miller" to find them. Otherwise, its Western-genre gold rush town novella, padded to novel status with a litany of plagues, biological descriptions from Elvi, etc.

Contrary, I thought the S4 Belter arc was the best of the 4. David Strathairn, Cara Gee, and (now) Keon Alexander are the best actors left in the cast, and this arc elegantly pulls forward/reshapes Nemesis Games background, though I thought the last scene showed too many cards.

raisin d'etre (Sanpaku), Friday, 20 December 2019 18:53 (two months ago) link

I kind of figured they do they’d do the dual plot arc thing this season due to the slow book 4, but I think they want to give us maximum Marco next season

mh, Saturday, 21 December 2019 01:30 (two months ago) link

alex stops being corny and becomes tremendous

miller's status i am disinclined to call currently

mark s, Saturday, 21 December 2019 20:08 (two months ago) link

lol bobbie: "at least now i've got something to do"

mark s, Saturday, 21 December 2019 21:09 (two months ago) link

Finished S4 and then started binging Lost In Space S2 on Netflix. It is hilarious how one show is basically the adult version of the other

- how did we get here? dangerous alien precursor technology we don't understand
- what is happening to us? a series of discrete crises, almost like chapters in a story
- why? because alien planet OK

then they diverge

- what can we say on tv? (LIS: not even "asshole")
- who is having sex? (LIS: no one, I don't think mom and dad even kiss)
- what are the stakes? (LIS: they don't even kill the NPCs)
- do we even get to punch the smarmy awful villain in the face? (LIS: nope)

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 December 2019 15:49 (one month ago) link

Just parachute Amos into LIS to take care of business.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 December 2019 16:29 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

i haven't seen S4 yet nor finished S3 but had one of the biggest lols in a show in awhile when Amos was hanging out with the rescued little tykes from Doc Strickland's Io project, turns to the TV to see the protomolecule thing emerging from the atmosphere of Venus, and says "What...the that?"

top-tier show, shockingly consistent in terms of quality.

omar little, Friday, 21 February 2020 17:41 (two days ago) link

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