Is anybody else watching The Expanse?

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"Set in a future where humanity has colonized the Solar System, it follows police detective Miller (Thomas Jane), ship's officer Jim Holden (Steven Strait), and his crew as they unravel a conspiracy that threatens peace across the System and the survival of humanity."

Reasons to love:

1. Thomas Jane's character is a hopeless dickhead and nobody likes him. By the last episode I watched (ep 5 - ep 6 aired tonight) I felt like the only person rooting for him, and only because I want to find out the answers! I love an irredeemable loser antihero, once in a while. And everybody calls him out on his stupid PUA hat. Which I think he wears mostly because his haircut is even worse. Good stuff.

2. Jared Harris speaking in a completely made-up space person accent (that no other character has?!?) and being an ice cold asteroid gangster! I should not have to go on!

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

4. the Martian Congressional Republic Navy, is a thing

5. a pretty important main character named "Fred Johnson" - science fiction, everybody

6. OK I guess the big draw is the space political thriller angle but you know what? Spaceships and crappy space detectives and gangsters in space. The UN and Mars and Belter Independence stuff or whatever is just kind of background noise imo.

*basically as far as I can tell they accomplished this, to the extent possible, by casting stocky folks as "Earthers" and rangier folks as "Belters." A for effort.

I can't be the only one watching this, you people are nerds

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 03:51 (seven years ago) link

OK, I'm intrigued. Is the writing and acting any good?

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:11 (seven years ago) link

Really uneven, but serviceable

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 04:17 (seven years ago) link

this is pretty exciting so far, though i agree it works better as a sci-fi noir than as a political thriller

also it has Space Mormons

ciderpress, Saturday, 23 January 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link

Oh yes who could forget the LDS contracting to build a gigantic colony ship!

Why does Athena Karkanis' character care so much about Miller? Are they going to explain that at some point?

service desk hardman (El Tomboto), Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link

definitely the most promising SyFy series in a good while, although the pilot held my attention a lot more than the subsequent episodes

some dude, Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link

i read and remember nothing of the book (first in a series i believe) except that it felt like screenplay bait. one of the pseudonymous authors is one of george r r martin's attendants

https://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj11ztijdh1qhhbv2o1_500.jpg

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:19 (seven years ago) link

show is good tho, sometimes it feels pleasingly cheap (drinks in a space bar that looked chintzier than ten forward, a future montana ranch house that looks a whole lot like a 21st century montana ranch house)

adam, Saturday, 23 January 2016 22:20 (seven years ago) link

Started the book, solid B so far

calstars, Saturday, 23 January 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link

most recent episode was super tense, v good imo

ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2016 22:31 (seven years ago) link

i just started watching this --- i like it for all the above reasons

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link

I got kinda bored midway through the pilot (soooo much exposition) can I jump in a bit later or

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link

nah it moves pretty fast except for maybe one ep in the middle of the season i forget which. if you didn't like the pilot then idk

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:51 (seven years ago) link

maybe moving fast is the wrong way to say it since the 2 main plots for most of the season are detective investigation and space survival neither of which involve a lot of direct conflict, but i never got the feeling of it being stretched out like i do with a lot of shows

ciderpress, Sunday, 31 January 2016 02:55 (seven years ago) link

I've been watching it... really enjoyed the most recent episode, promises to be a good finale

Feels more like Chinatown In Space than anything

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

in space, no one can hear you

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link

Mr Veg & I joked the other night about "the mystery of why people mumble in space, and who is giving everyone bad haircuts"

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:23 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thomas Jane went to the space barber and said "give me the Gary Oldman in Fifth Element"

77 lines about 77 albums i haven't heard (some dude), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link

Make me look like I used to own a skate shop

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 31 January 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link

lolol

jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 31 January 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link

i admit that I got a bit bored with all the worldbuilding, and that fake southern?/texan? dude who talks to spaceship computers like they're truckstop waitresses was almost a bridge too far... but I appreciate having a halfway decent scifi show on SyFy again so I am not complaining

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 February 2016 00:25 (seven years ago) link

the books are good n' popcorny. kind of a shame that the TV series starts w/ the first novel, which is definitely the worst of the whole shebang.

remy bean, Monday, 1 February 2016 02:31 (seven years ago) link

So the second-to-last episode of Season 1 spends a LOT of time inside a derelict and it is great creepy television. I loved how they mixed the soundtrack low so you're really just listening to magnetic boots on metal gangplanks almost the entire time, which you then realize is also the only thing any of the characters can hear.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:36 (six years ago) link

I was gonna watch this but Hulu won't let me watch on TV. Booooo

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 8 February 2016 19:51 (six years ago) link

i watched it at syfy's website

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:00 (six years ago) link

oh wait missed the "on TV" part n/m

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 20:01 (six years ago) link

amos and the UN lady are both super compelling actors, look forward to more of this show

adam, Monday, 8 February 2016 20:13 (six years ago) link

One small nitpick - the action sequence towards the end (of the second to last episode) was a little choppy. I rewound it a few times and still had to just make some assumptions about how a couple things happened / who did what. Even then - how did that grenade not go off?

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 8 February 2016 22:16 (six years ago) link

3. Hard sci-fi space combat that resembles submarine warfare but with lots of slug weapons! Ship "gravity" entirely dependent on constant acceleration! People surviving limited exposure to vacuum! People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!

also a pleasingly hard sci fi plausible-ish near future involving asteroid mining and no (at least so far) fanciful alien species or completely out there tech. like it seems like space travel actually involves orbital mechanics in this

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 8 February 2016 23:31 (six years ago) link

finale 2-parter was great

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 04:55 (six years ago) link

xp yeah one of the things i like most about this show is that it really gives a sense of how fragile humanity in space is

ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:09 (six years ago) link

Just binged. Its been such a desert for good space sci-fi that I didn't look too closely for seams. The gumshoe with the dodgy haircut was the comic relief, some good character actors in the bit roles, the sets are appropriately gritty and/or antiseptic, the effects crew clearly communicate the lonely peril of deep space, and the show runners are clearly love their hard sci-fi. And I want the actress playing Avasarala to purr in my ear.

Glad to have some episodic sci-fi to look forward to, now that Continuum has wrapped its loose ends.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 01:42 (six years ago) link

Winchell Chung, creator of the terrific hard sci-fi resource Atomic Rockets, gives The Expanse his Seal of Approval. I agree with every word.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Friday, 19 February 2016 04:51 (six years ago) link

can't believe we have to wait 9 months to find out what the hell is going on

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Sunday, 21 February 2016 05:40 (six years ago) link

if only there was like a whole bunch of books based on the tv show but like that actually ran ahead of the tv show that we could read

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Sunday, 21 February 2016 06:14 (six years ago) link

wait did continuum turn out to be good? the pilot was kinda rough and i never saw more

adam, Sunday, 21 February 2016 14:23 (six years ago) link

It was better than any time-travelling cop series had a right to be, and while the budgets shranked, the writing became more interesting. I'll be frank, though: My initial attraction was Rachel Nichols in a cat suit.

Assault Mime (Sanpaku), Sunday, 21 February 2016 15:30 (six years ago) link

guys i watched the first episode and.... really?

"UN BLACK OPS SITE"

space sex

COOL FEDORA GUY

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:52 (six years ago) link

it was like every crap 90s 'graphic novel' cliche throwd into one

only thing i liked apart from the awesome opening exposition title cards was the tense horror movie stuff p much

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:55 (six years ago) link

ok i've actually read the thread now and

People with sort-of-visible deformation* and musculoskeletal issues due to growing up in low-G!
- that was cool

made-up accent that no one has - it's supposed to be a kind of 'third world' Belter accent, right? to hammer home the allegory of the exploited other-class?

'flip n burn' was pretty good

GAH I DON'T KNOW

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:58 (six years ago) link

I've read (and really) enjoyed all the pulpy popcorn books & novellas and thought the first episode was pretty ropey. However, it gets much better and by the end is easily one of the best sci-fi shows in years and probably the best thing SyFy have done since BG.

groovypanda, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:24 (six years ago) link

space sex only happens in the first episode because there's an unwritten rule now that all tv pilots need sexual content regardless of the tone of the show

ciderpress, Monday, 22 February 2016 21:37 (six years ago) link

By ep 4 it starts getting really good afaict

It has been distracting seeing my doppelganger the medic

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:22 (six years ago) link

I couldn't get past the first ep of this, might give it another shot.

calzino, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:32 (six years ago) link

the other recent new SyFy show The Magicians (which is imo better than The Expanse) ALSO had gravity-defying midair sex in the pilot

some dude, Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:40 (six years ago) link

I like both shows a lot, nice to see SyFy step it up

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:41 (six years ago) link

I've read all the Magicians books too and whilst I'm enjoying the show, I think The Expanse is much better.

Do they go out at different times in the States? It's noticeable that whilst Avasarala is very foul mouthed in the books, on the show she's not whereas The Magicians seems to have no problems dropping in the f-word several times each episode.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 March 2016 13:20 (six years ago) link

There's been a recent trend towards series that air on non-sweary networks to throw in curses they can't actually air and just blank them out. (This is especially glaring on American Crime, where - I assume as a deliberate aesthetic choice - every "fuck" is announced with a few frames of completely blacked-out screen.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 15:52 (six years ago) link

I assume it's because they know/hope the unedited versions will be available on DVD

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 March 2016 17:07 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmRQXpbeA-0

Gowron Hubbard (Leee), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 04:18 (one year ago) link

no amos calling her chrissy, no credibility

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 February 2022 04:42 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Expanse: The Animated Series (1973): pic.twitter.com/sPncnDSIG4

— Alasdair Beckett-King (@MisterABK) February 23, 2022

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:16 (eleven months ago) link

lmao thats awesome

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:37 (eleven months ago) link

so good

Roz, Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:27 (eleven months ago) link

seven months pass...

Hi I'm late to the party but I just started this and oh my god it's good. I think I gave the first episode a go a short while back but was confused about whether people were speaking Belter Creole or just mumbling. But by the power of subtitles, voila, I am a convert - and only two episodes in. Good grief, that second episode was STRESSFUL!

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 09:54 (three months ago) link

Took me a few tries to get into it but it just gets better and better.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 11:30 (three months ago) link

Welcome dl!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 19:41 (three months ago) link

one of us, one of us

H in Addis, Thursday, 6 October 2022 05:45 (three months ago) link

Can’t wait for the Drummer game next year. The zero-g stuff looks cool. Not the same as having more show obviously but I’ll take what I can get.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 October 2022 06:18 (three months ago) link

Wrapping up the first book tonight - it's pretty decent but it drove home how much of what I loved about the series was the actors. Not enough Anderson Dawes in the book (or Jared Harris in the series IMO).

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 6 October 2022 06:21 (three months ago) link

wildly otm re dawes

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 October 2022 07:13 (three months ago) link

haven’t read the books

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 October 2022 07:14 (three months ago) link

Books are good! It's clear they're written by two people, though, as the quality varies wildly from chapter to chapter -- not sure if that gets better in the later books

I think I am choosing to continue with the TV show rather than the books based only the time commitment

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 October 2022 10:34 (three months ago) link

The TV series ends around book 6. Someone upthread recommended reading books 7-9 to finish the story. I was v glad I did.

that's not my post, Thursday, 6 October 2022 14:52 (three months ago) link

I liked the books but don't think they really offer much if you've watched the show. They mostly stick to the same stories, and they read like the TV show (short scene-like chapters, not overly heavy on description). Books 7-9 are well-worth reading since we're not getting a TV version anytime soon

Vinnie, Thursday, 6 October 2022 16:03 (three months ago) link

Books > show for me, although with the huuuuge caveat that the first book is boring IMO.

Kim Wipers - Youth in America (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2022 16:24 (three months ago) link

I loved the books. Like others here, the first one didn't grab me right away. If memory serves, you start seeing some major divergence between TV and books around book 3. The story in the books goes places I hadn't imagined it would, and I can see why they never bothered trying to film it. It's well worth reading all of the books just for the last few.

beard papa, Thursday, 6 October 2022 17:59 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I totally forgot that Jonathan Banks (Mike from Breaking Bad) was on the first episode of this

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 17 November 2022 18:08 (two months ago) link

Very strange cameo, just appears for a minute

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Friday, 18 November 2022 00:54 (two months ago) link

Just finished the last book a couple days ago.
Now I’m sad I’m out of book.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 18 November 2022 01:34 (two months ago) link

Did you read the short story/novella collection?

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 18 November 2022 04:32 (two months ago) link

NO!?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 18 November 2022 05:08 (two months ago) link

The collection's pretty decent overall, not quite a full dose of book (400 pages give or take) but fill in some spaces between the books (and one after).

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 18 November 2022 05:28 (two months ago) link

I will def look into it. “Upgrade” was my next book and I’m already almost done (I’m usually a slow reader)

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 18 November 2022 05:32 (two months ago) link

Maybe give Donaldson's Gap Series a go if you fancy some more politics + space opera xps

(First book can be a grim and unpleasant read but it's very short)

groovypanda, Friday, 18 November 2022 08:10 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

"Huntington Beach, California-based AstroForge came out of stealth mode last May..."

wow, they really are using cutting edge future tech

calzino, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 13:23 (one week ago) link

AstroForge’s goal of refining platinum-group metals from asteroids, with the aim of bringing down the cost of mining these metals. It also hopes to reduce the massive amount of carbon dioxide emissions that stem from mining

i feel like launching stuff into space negates these two goals right off the bat?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:17 (one week ago) link

I never posted in this thread, but since it got a revive—

I binged this show last month. I’d tried a few times in the past but something about the first episode really turned me off. A friend assured me it gets much better so I persevered—and yes, it did pay off.

Anyway, I found this thread and basically followed you all here episode by episode as I watched, which gave me the feeling that I wasn’t watching it alone & late. So, thanks for keeping me company everyone.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:22 (one week ago) link

Aw <3

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:24 (one week ago) link

It's weird how that first episode gives such an inaccurate impression. It makes it seem like you are going to watch a series all about d-bag Miller and his shitty haircut being space Columbo with a bunch of goofy belters. The show doesn't completely find it's footing until they get the Roci.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:32 (one week ago) link

Luckily Miller gets sidelined as things progress, but they never really solve their Holden getting indignant and shouty with everyone problem.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:34 (one week ago) link

think I watched the first episode 3 times. First time I turned it off 10 minutes in.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:39 (one week ago) link

i never minded Miller. he was never supposed to be likeable and i enjoyed him for what his role was on the show. the books deal with him much better tho (i read them after watching the show) – it's kind of a running joke how much he creeps the shit out of literally everybody.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:44 (one week ago) link

amazing show, i keep hoping they'll come back for more. i do think it's a distinct possibility but might be awhile.

the thing about Holden is he's space Jon Snow to an extent, but the character is a lot more likable and Steven Strait is a solid comic actor when the role calls for humor.

I didn't mind Miller either, i kinda thought he was likable, albeit truly weird. when he got inside Holden's head it made for some good comedy (see above, Holden was vv funny in a lot of those moments.) Also, Holden seeing Miller with his fedora (which never made the trip with him to meet the Roci crew) was the sign Holden wasn't losing his mind.

the most awkward part of the show was dealing w/the Alex character at the end, but the production was in a no-win situation.

omar little, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:47 (one week ago) link

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Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 17:53 (one week ago) link

amazing show, i keep hoping they'll come back for more. i do think it's a distinct possibility but might be awhile.

I don't want to wait 30 years.

Rabbity Gainsborough (Leee), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:26 (one week ago) link

I keep saying this but there is an “interactive fiction” style videogame coming soon where Drummer is the main character, played by Cara Gee. I assume you get to play as her.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:29 (one week ago) link

Telltale has a good pedigree with this sort of thing. https://telltale.com/the-expanse/

First episode supposedly out this summer.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:31 (one week ago) link

the last three books i thought were amazing too. they'd make a great movie.
also i ate pizza at the place that is owned by the actress who played Monica Stuart (she was there serving pizza)!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:33 (one week ago) link

i loved Miller! i think he was good as a slightly-but-not-really-uh normcore? “way in” to the show … like you toodle along w him into the bigger wtf ideas of the show & then off you go

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:47 (one week ago) link

It is sorta funny that the first protagonist (Miller) gets sidelined fairly quickly, and Holden pretty gradually loses his lock as main character too. After the season on the alien planet it seems like he never really had a whole lot to do. It became about the rest of the crew.

the most awkward part of the show was dealing w/the Alex character at the end, but the production was in a no-win situation.

― omar little, Wednesday, January 25, 2023 bookmarkflaglink

They definitely did what they could with that last season - getting on abruptly without Alex, limited number of episodes... and I would assume they didn't fully know they were getting canceled until after they'd committed to the awful subplot with the little girl on the other planet, which never resolved.

At first I was a little let down by how much is unresolved by the end of the series but after talking with a friend I kinda like it as a metaphor for global warming. They come to some great conclusion about how to get along with each other but they just willfully ignore this massive threat looming in the distance. They know its there but after everything they went through with the protomolocule, the idea of something out there that is even more malevolent is just too hard to comprehend.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 21:07 (one week ago) link

The awful subplot with the little girl becomes central to the final 3 books. Really worth reading to see how everything plays out. Shame they didn’t have the backing to finish out the series.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 21:14 (one week ago) link

and I would assume they didn't fully know they were getting canceled until after they'd committed to the awful subplot with the little girl on the other planet, which never resolved.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it was canceled a second time? IIRC the showrunners specifically said that season 6 would be its last, not that it was a diktat from on high (FWIW Amazon rescued it from its first cancellation because Bezos is a notable fan).

Rabbity Gainsborough (Leee), Thursday, 26 January 2023 00:16 (one week ago) link

IIRC the showrunners specifically said that season 6 would be its last, not that it was a diktat from on high

Well that makes that creative choice really perplexing then. It took up so many precious minutes in such a short season, only to go completely unresolved.

I get that it relates to the books, and that the door could always be open to a future season... but as pure television it's irritating and unsatisfying.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 26 January 2023 01:25 (one week ago) link

I honestly think the Amos/Clarissa plotline in S5 is one of the best TV achievements of the last decade, just riveting

sleeve, Thursday, 26 January 2023 01:41 (one week ago) link

otm

def jeftones (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 January 2023 01:43 (one week ago) link

I just finished the first book Leviathan Wakes and was amused to find that Holden is even more of a pretty boy dumbass in there than in the show. The way he ends up together with Naomi in the book is pure comedy - the show handled that much better imo (and is also far better in its treatment of women in general. Naomi is barely sketched out so far, Julie is mostly seen through Miller's POV *eyeroll*, and we don't meet Avasarala or any of the other main female characters until later books).

I'm actually glad I watched the show first cause I'm not sure I would have liked this series as much based on how the characters are portrayed in Book 1 - Holden is good but way too naive and impulsive, Miller is a washed-up asshole in love with a perfect young girl in his head. Yikes. It's a credit to the show and the actors that they managed to turn them into tolerable protagonists at all.

The book's strengths were the space horror elements, the world-building, and Amos lol. still looking fwd to reading the rest though!

Roz, Thursday, 26 January 2023 03:28 (one week ago) link

To be fair, a lot of the show was written by the book authors, so I guess they were aware of some of the book shortcomings themselves and rewrote them.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 26 January 2023 05:02 (one week ago) link


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