Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

So my prediction is that Zemo comes back for the Ant Man sequel. I can't figure another number in the queue that provides a likely venue for terrestrial / mortal / non-cosmic conspiracy business.

I look at almost all these stories (in fact, I look at almost all stories) through the lens of individuals versus the institutions they serve. In my civil servant dreams, I envy Cap's latitude in being able to choose to operate as a truly stateless badass. I have no idea how he pays for his lodging, meals and incidentals, but clearly he has Bourne Identity cash and various passports somewhere, perhaps socked away inside his incognito ballcap. Anyway.

Stark IS the institution he works for - all the infrastructure of the Avengers post-S.H.I.E.L.D. is because of his billionaire largesse - so he's giving up nothing by signing the accords, in fact, he's probably saving money by doing so. God he's such a douche in this movie. RDJ does an excellent job selling it.

there's a 25 minute short film waiting to be made where Cap "loses" his ballcap and Michael Pena's character "finds" it, and realizes there's all these velcro pockets full of fake IDs and international currency, and then there's some kind of hilarious chase where Cap just has a hell of a time catching up to Pena, who then realizes who is after him and why, and then they reconcile and decide "this never happened, we were never here" just as some disaster is happening and they team up to save hundreds of civilians from being drowned in the Canarsie tunnel.

"You're no chicken. Where you from?"
"The Bronx!"
"Brooklyn."
IT WRITES ITSELF

oh and how did I forget this - best line of the film by far, but it comes in the middle of so much other awesome stuff -

"that thing doesn't obey any of the laws of physics at all!"

I may be paraphrasing

vibranium is pretty amazing stuff

Paper Ass Letter pretty underrated Beatle tune

I loved the escape chase sequence where Bucky, T'Challa and Cap are all running at pace or faster than the moving traffic in the tunnel. That was really nicely done, I thought.
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I thought that was one point where the CGI was noticeable. Looked a bit clumsy to me. Will probably stand out even more in years to come.

I haven't seen anybody mention the Easter Eggs in the film. The mid crediuts scene with Cappy and the Black panther and the post credits thing which is probably a toy tie in and defintely more of a Spidey trailer.
But then maybe everybody already knows taht marvel films tend to have those extra bits, I was the only person in my cinema to hang around for the Spidey one though.

I did wonder who wound up having to pay for the airport nad the tunnel in Czech republic ( think that's where it was but couldn't see why Buckky then wound up in Berlin. Is that more of a UN base or something?).
THought it interesting that both this and superman v batman had a theme of collateral damage. Then both went on to create a lot more. Though I guess there is lasting personal collateral damage in that scene.

Was this an almost direct retelling of teh Civil War story from, is that, 10 years ago. Though recast as less racist or speciesist since not about mutants. Or has there been a print revisiting of that idea that this is based on?
I do see above taht this is different to what the original storyline for the Captain America film that became this was going to be.
Did enjoy the spectacle though.

Also has ant-man/giantman not got more direct control over his size. I was a little surprised that he didn't manipulate the change more as a combat technique. Might have got him out of some of the later stuff. But there you go, I guess he hasn't used the large size overmuch so might not be thinking about things in the heat of battle.

I'd say the studio paid for the airport runway etc

Ant-Man clearly says he isn't totally in control of the being giant thing yet

I loved the idea of them running faster than traffic, that's the kind of ludicrous scene that comic book movies should be filled with. I agree that it looked a bit clumsy, though.

Bucky hid in Bucharest, Rumania. I'm not sure they went to Berlin? The UN thing was in Vienna and the airport was in Leipzig, and it's all very confusing all of a sudden and I might be wrong.

This deserves an Oscar-nomination for Best Adaptation, btw. The difficulty to make all these disparate plotpoints fit together is way higher than boring pap like Brooklyn that was nominated this year. From a purely technical standpoint, it was a marvel. I don't much care for well written films, though, and I was kinda disappointed by the film. Not quite enough charm and grace, a bit too much pompousness. Best Marvel is still the one with the talking raccoon.

did someone here mention that chase sequence being a goofy visual joke, where the cameras themselves can't keep up with Bucky/Panther/Cap etc?. might have been a review i read

The location for the scene where the motor convoy arrives is written across the screen as Berlin. I don't know what the logistics are.

I heard Ant-man say this was something he'd been working on in his lab. But the size thing was mainly if he was a different size to what his opponents were expecting at that moment it woulmd have been enough to screw up their tactics. Can't remember what his size control works on. Is it a button he needs to press?

I thought the chase was fantastic, genuinely had to remember to breathe during it.

Had completely forgotten that Stark had his heart fixed at the end of IM3 so that the reactor is only a reactor now.

Yeah only remembered that afterwards.

The rhythm of the chase sequence was pretty good I just thought they way they looked when they ran was a bit strange looking.

Then wondered if it was Stark, the local government or who that was going to have to pay for extensive repair to the structure of the tunnel once they were through.
Also had me thinking that at one point in the 70s or 80s Spidey had to come up with a time sensitive webbing so taht there weren't great masses of used web all over whatever they call New York in that series. Think it's supposed to melt aftera couple of hours or something.
But superhero destruction was a real problem in the universe. & as shown in Lagos not just a 1st world one.

Actually can't think of a moneyed source that would pick up on damage caused by Captain America if he's on the outs with Stark. So is this what local tax dollars or whatever currency then needs to be diverted to instead of where it should have been in the council budget.
Do wonder how sound a tunnel is going to be if part of it's support structure has been knocked out. Or whatever structural damage was caused during this fight sequence. Would probably be a big con against govts calling international rescue or the Avengers or whoever. BUt maybe the idea of a visceral action film has been about the continual now instead of the aftermath. & the recent idea is to try to keep it real? Seems to be a them in both this and teh batman/superman not sure about elsewhere.

Probably need to watch the film again anyway.

pretty sure they call it "new york" btw. forest hills, queens is a real place.

That's one of Marvel's big things, that it's not glittering Metropolis or cloud-scudded Gotham, it's New York (which has a slight magical sheen anyway to a lot of their audience a) because it's where Marvel happens and b) anyway)

thought this was ok. disappointed that they still haven't pulled the trigger on miles morales - don't get what they're waiting for.

they haven't had Spider-Man at all until this movie. when could they have done Miles Morales?

there was some dumb argument about whether Sony has the rights to Spider-Man or just Peter Parker as Spider-Man

also people who think Sony would reboot using Miles instead of Peter yet again

This was solid, better than AoU.

Its international total has hit $645 million, making “Civil War” the fourth-highest -grossing superhero movie of all time behind “Avengers: Age of Ultron” ($946 million), “The Avengers” ($895 million) and “Iron Man 3” ($806 million).

apparently if you pile all 13 Marvel Studios pictures together they've now made over $10B

Yet somehow Disney didn't meet quarterly expectations. How?! These, Pixar, Star Wars ...

Expectations were too high, though not by much, and the in-house toy and cable parts of the business didn't do as well.

the bar for success is generally set right above attainable levels when shareholders are involved

So it's already beat Superman v. Batman's total worldwide gross, and it's just about caught up to SvB's total US gross after nine days in release. Nice.

disney owns espn, which until recently was a huge profit driver for them, about $15 billion a year iirc. only not cord cutting has become normalized to have an impact and espn's revenues have started to drop, right when they paid ridiculous af sums for various tv rights. disney's media properties (networks) have been responsible for 50% of their profits and while abc and disney channel and abc family and a&e are nice, espn is obv the rainmaker there. or was. when the thing that was responsible for around 50% of yr profits suddenly might start losing money it's a problem.

This doesn't really work as a standalone film does it? I've seen (I think) every single one of the preceding movies, and have a fair working knowledge of most of the characters from the comics, but I was scratching my head trying to figure out what was going on in parts. If I'd watched all the other films last week I would've been fine. Also they weren't very good at deliniating the different sides or making the stakes that clear or compelling, also they chickened out of giving Cap and Iron Man a genuine and convincing ideological greivance really, basically everyone was being big babies (maybe the point?)

BUT it was amazingly enjoyable nontheless, and the big fight scene was, I thought, INCREDIBLE. The most accurate screen recreation of a comic book superhero fight in both spirit and visuals I've seen. And the new Spidey is totally on the money and totally stole the show. Blows the Maguire and Garfield versions out of the water with a mere cameo. Black Panther was great as well.

What do you reckon you were missing beyond "These cities got trashed"?

The fact that nobody made an argument that the world sould havd fucking ended each time without intervention was kind of a plot canyon nest pas

But again, plot, i mean it's irrelevant however much ppl try to expound on thematic strengths or intricacy and consistency of internal motivations and does it speak to our times these movies work because the gorgeous ppl in the tight shiny outfits did cool things while saying cool things.

this was good, highly entertaining, but yeah all these movies are starting to run together to me, quality-wise at least.

the conflict was more believable than SvB (a low bar, i know) but still, yeah, kinda confused about the ultimatum presented to the superheroes. either sign with the UN or.... stop saving the world?

honestly everyone should have just flown to a tropical island to wait it out until the next alien invasion.

Was that alien invasion being at least partially blamed on the team?
Looked a bit like since they happened to be there the damage was being put down to them & I can't remember the set up in the original film. It was really localised wasn't it. But military high command should have known.
Has there been some explanation given to the population mentioned elsewhere? Cos I think I've heard something & can't think where.

more importantly Stark should have remembered that he personally had to save NYC from being nuked by committee.

& the "or else" was go sit in this prison in the middle of the ocean that we designed for supervillain containment

espn's revenues have started to drop, right when they paid ridiculous af sums for various tv rights

good. espn's stranglehold on sports broadcasting needs to be broken. back when I grew up a child could kick a ball in the street with curt gowdy and howard cosell for free. now you can't watch a little girl play beach volleyball for less than an arm and a leg.

At which stage she's, yknow, shit at volleyball

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dawwww

yay I'm finally seeing this movie tonight so I can go back and read this thread

It's quite a ride! I'd say the third best Marvel movie, after Guardians of the Galaxy and the first Thor.

Ugh I still haven't seen it. My daughter was born on opening night. Inconsiderate of her really.

djp is due back

Well that was awesome

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The movie or the thread

lol

Just finished reading the thread. I'm not sure what the people complaining were looking for from this movie. I thought every character was fantastically portrayed and that everyone's positions made sense based on who they were. I also thought this reimagining of Zemo was a much more compelling figure than the ranting maniac from the comic books. Kind of bummed that Crossbones blew himself up, makes it much less likely that a Thunderbolts movie will happen.

But if they'll do a Thunderbolts movie, presumably Zemo will still be their leader, and the movie Zemo would never have a HYDRA follower in his team anyway.

Sure but Crossbones was in the "felons controlled by Luke Cage in a thinly-veiled version of Suicide Squad" iteration, not the Zemo iteration