Anime for people who hate anime

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Inspired by this exchange on the Evangelion thread:

while mourning my lack of fresh Eva content I've spent most of today trying to find other anime series that I don't find intensely grating on one level or another - after a bunch of false starts, Masaaki Yuasa's stuff seems pretty solidly up my alley

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:48 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who am I kidding I will totally rewatch it when 4.0 comes out, this franchise is built on (and fosters) masochism

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 2:04 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


simon, have you seen either mushi-shi, serial experiments: lain or kino's journey? they aren't at all like eva tone-wise but pretty much free from most anime cliches and are v cerebral and emotionally engaging.

― hello, it me (clouds), Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:02 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ all 3 of those are excellent, especially Mushishi. Someone should make a anime recommendation site for people who hate anime

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:09 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have not but Lain is on my to-check-out consideration list. Currently watching Ping Pong, which feels oddly substantive given the subject matter? I've seen Bebop (eh) and FLCL (neat). Basically hated what I saw of Death Note, Future Diary, and a few others that aren't immediately coming to me.

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:19 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the biggest problem is that all anime gets marketed essentially the same in english-speaking countries, as if "anime" were one monolithic genre -- so you get this phenomenon of the same people recommending in the same breath stuff made for teenage boys like death note also recommending more complex shows like steins;gate or the others i mentioned. it seems to me that the targeted demographic for these shows are quite distinct in japan, though i could be wrong.

― hello, it me (clouds), Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:00 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly why i had a bad time whenever i went to an anime convention

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyway all of anno's pre-eva miyazaki-inspired series nadia is on hulu and i recommend it; it's very digressive but also very charming. another gentle, kinda perfect, nontraditional anime, by lain's character designer: haibane renmei

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

attending an anime convention sounds like my idea of hell!

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, September 13, 2015 8:54 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 01:23 (five years ago) link


brimstead, Monday, 14 September 2015 01:44 (five years ago) link

welp that's Nichijou added to the queue

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 01:50 (five years ago) link


insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 02:27 (five years ago) link

paranoia agent

in 72 point bold red font

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 14 September 2015 03:55 (five years ago) link

yeah that one

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 03:59 (five years ago) link

<3 nichijou

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 14 September 2015 04:25 (five years ago) link

ghost hound. sorta like twin peaks x lain with an amazing dark ambient score.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 14 September 2015 04:38 (five years ago) link

i don't really like anime but i much enjoyed serial experiments: lain and texhnolyze

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2015 05:43 (five years ago) link

def rec all of yuasa's stuff, especially Ping Pong and my favorite, The Tatami Galaxy. funny (even if you don't really "get" anime humor) and manic and inspiring and brilliantly animated.

my other favorite ever is kids on the slope, a coming of age story from shinichiro watanabe ( cowboy bebop, samurai champloo ) about a love triangle between three jazz-obsessed teenagers in 1960s small town japan. the music sequences are incredible.

oiocha, Monday, 14 September 2015 07:29 (five years ago) link

would recommend Wandering Son (Hourou Musuko), a show about a boy who likes to dress as a girl and a girl who likes to dress as a boy. Surprisingly thoughtful exploration of transsexualism and gender identity, a million miles away from how these subjects are usually handled in anime. Also has a beautiful watercolour art style.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 14 September 2015 10:16 (five years ago) link

paranoia agent

in 72 point bold red font

― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that one

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


Evan, Monday, 14 September 2015 10:48 (five years ago) link

oh yeah, kids on the slope! I've only seen a few episodes but the premise kills me

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 13:55 (five years ago) link

kids on the slope is pretty good, otm about the music sequences

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (five years ago) link

my rec is Redline, one movie that i might say is more intense and thrilling from start to finish than mad max

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (five years ago) link

mad max fury road that is

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (five years ago) link

fyi there's also this thread Animation Snob Thread (no Disney, no Pixar, no mainstream anime, mention Family Guy and you get kicked out a window), puppet films are allowed whihc i've had bookmarked forever

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:16 (five years ago) link

if strongo were still here he'd tell you to check out Mind game. he's not so I'm going to tell you to check out mind game.

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:17 (five years ago) link

Redline is really good in places but I don't think it has the momentum or overall quality of Fury Road. I felt the character development was unnecessary.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:21 (five years ago) link

just finished Berserk which was enjoyable but it might be too "anime"

diamonddave85​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 September 2015 14:24 (five years ago) link

As to the question of the thread, it depends on what one hates about anime. I'm generally not a fan but I can deal with the things I don't like if there's enough other good things going on. But I can't pretend I haven't seen a lot of ecchi trash (a true guilty pleasure).
A lot of the better anime still has a lot of the things some people dislike about anime, like the drawing styles. I've always preferred far more textured animation and unusual expressive techniques.

The thing that impressed me about the Satoshi Kon stuff is how well the scenes are composed. Most of the anime I had seen was very sloppy and badly edited.
Paranoia Agent is actually my least favourite of his works. It's probably supposed to be confounding but I don't think it really carried off on the intrigue they built early on, I found a lot of it a tad boring and the animation quality drops in a few places.

Like I recommend in Animation Snob Thread, Keita Kurosaka is the least typical Japanese animator I know of but his work isn't easy to find. Angel's Egg is a lovely science fiction mood piece without much (any?) dialogue, with designs by Yoshitaka Amano.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:54 (five years ago) link

Berserk (90s tv version) does an impressive job of telling the early best part of the comic saga despite clear time/budget constraints and even improving some parts of the story. Great soundtrack too.
The later film series version doesn't allow the story time to develope and breathe properly. It feels too much like a summary.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 15:01 (five years ago) link

Satoshi Kon is definitely one of the go-to anime directors for people who aren't anime fans. Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers are all great movies in different ways. Paprika was a bit weak story-wise IMO, but is still worth a watch.

Paranoia Agent is pretty great too, although I think the series loses a lot of momentum once it abandons the initial set-up - those stand alone episodes in the middle are great, but the over-arching plot kinda gets lost.

I'll second the recommendations for Mushishi, Kino and Lain above, and add Haibane Renmei, which is intriguing and reflective in a similar way.

Planetes is a pretty solid sci-fi series with good characters and little in the way of anime cliches.

Duane Barry, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:35 (five years ago) link

Haibane is excellent but I gotta disagree about Planetes, i watched the series after reading the manga and was super disappointed with the adaption, they really anime-ed it up by adding in lots of comedy sidekicks and useless drama. Don't even get me started about that last episode :(

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:28 (five years ago) link

haibane renmei is incidentally all on hulu plus

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:48 (five years ago) link

I liked Haibane Renmei too. I'll also throw Psycho Pass out there for anyone into Philip K Dick sort of themes. It's on Netflix for easy access.

salsa shark, Monday, 14 September 2015 18:06 (five years ago) link

thx for the many recs y'all, I need as much distraction as possible at present

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 22:45 (five years ago) link

Seconding Mind Game, and reposting from the Netflix thread to remind people that Studio 4C put up a batch of films a couple of weeks ago- Mind Game, Genius Party and Genius Party Beyond (which are both mixed, but each has a fairly lengthy short from respectively Masaaki Yuasa and Koji Morimoto that are among the best things either have ever done), and Princess Arete (which I haven't watched yet but is supposed to be a gentle, Ghibli-esque thing?).

I don't know how easy it is to get outside the kickstarter, but Yuasa's Kick-Heart is pretty fun. And the adaptation of Taiyo Matsumoto's Ping Pong is well worth your time- I love Michael Arias's Tekkonkinkreet movie, but Ping Pong is a much more faithful translation of Matsumoto's style to animation and it's gorgeous:

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:12 (five years ago) link

Crap, sorry, didn't see Ping Pong was already recommended twice >_<

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:15 (five years ago) link

Less than four minutes long, but this Ken Ishii video by Morimoto is kind of a classic:

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:17 (five years ago) link

One last thing before I shut up about Morimoto:


You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:22 (five years ago) link

Dumb qn from someone v.far outside but a lot of suggestions seem to be, say, post-PKD-ish ... is there much in the way of, IDK, George Eliot/Jane Austen-y stuff?

etc, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:46 (five years ago) link

Josei anime would be the term, from a quick look at manga categories, I guess?

etc, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:53 (five years ago) link

This was Google's first result, anyone want to comment on any of these?

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 02:02 (five years ago) link

wow, that ping pong series looks amazing! excited to see it's on hulu.

the late great, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 04:29 (five years ago) link

From that Josei list:
Michiko & Hatchin stars two female characters but it's much closer to Black Lagoon/Tarantino territory, lots of action set pieces and stylish baddies. It's really well made but is twice as long as it needs to be tbh, towards the end you will be dreading yet another car chase. Which is rarely said about Jane Austen.
Princess Jellyfish is really good, lots of interesting characters although some can be a bit too one dimensional, particularly the one mentioned in the article.
A series that is currently airing called Snow White With The Red Hair caught me by surprise and might be the purest Josei show I've ever enjoyed. As you can guess from the title it has a fairytale like quality, with a commoner girl and a dashing young prince falling in love. What sets it apart though is the title character, a strong willed girl who feels like she's walked out of a Ghibli movie, you can't help but cheer her on.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 05:52 (five years ago) link

etc, you might want to look into honey & clover (about a group of students at an art school), nana (about the friendship between two women, one a fashion student and one a rock musician), nodame cantabile (about the romantic relationship between a pianist and an aspiring conductor), his and her circumstances (the show hideaki anno made after evangelion, about the romantic relationship between two high school students), and revolutionary girl utena (hard to summarize?)

1staethyr, Thursday, 17 September 2015 08:21 (five years ago) link

also, a lot of the shows mentioned itt originally aired as part of fuji tv's noitamina block, which is specifically dedicated to programming that appeals to ppl outside of the young male demographic. the noitamina lineup is a p good place to look for "mature" anime in a bunch of different genres

1staethyr, Thursday, 17 September 2015 08:28 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

reporting back


Watched all of this one - the animation is obv incredible but what surprised me about it is the persistent and convincing bittersweetness, which helped offset how predictable many/most of the plot/character beats really are. Into it.


Also watched all of this, liked it less. The musical sequences are incredible and kept me going. As w/ many shows like this (regardless of genre) the relatively subtly homoerotic friendship >>>>>> the neverending tedium of the actual "romances." (Tho I admit that I have a problem w/ series wherein 100% of the long-running conflicts could be solved with one frank conversation.)

tried UTENA but it's just too mid-90s for me. a couple eps into MUSHI-SHI - animation's gorgeous, stories seem a bit intert? will keep trying.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:23 (four years ago) link

Maybe most of you guys know all this stuff but its just a little video about the difficulties of making anime.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:45 (four years ago) link

good timing on that as it frequently refers to Manglobe (Champloo, Michiko) who finally filed for bankruptcy the other day

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:00 (four years ago) link

Just finished watching Gosenzosama Banbanzai, a pretty bizarre and funny six-part OVA from the late 80s. It's one of Mamoru Oshii's more obscure efforts (like that odd "Twilight Q" short), about a girl who travels back in time to live with her ancestors. The whole thing is presented like a stage play, making it pretty unique.

I know Oshii made a big splash with Ghost in the Shell, but I actually think that was his last really good film (though I haven't seen his live action stuff, and discount Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade, which he wrote but didn't direct).

Duane Barry, Saturday, 3 October 2015 17:22 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

so uh toonami is producing two new season of flcl

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:47 (four years ago) link


i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 March 2016 00:54 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

brave new world

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 22:28 (four years ago) link

oops. didn't realize this was a 3 month revive

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 22:29 (four years ago) link

I've just started the new anime version of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable, and it really defies description (although Merritt Kopas's phrase "Twink Peaks" is pretty apt, as long as you bear in mind that it also involves spectral combat and Gauguin-like color clashes): an escaped serial killer has just been fused into a living statue by a vengeful high school student after attempting to infiltrate the student's house as a malign spirit in rainwater, and this is two episodes in. Idk what kind of relation to anime the ideal viewer would have, but it's certainly distinctive.

one way street, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 00:33 (four years ago) link

Jojo is so batshit, i love it

clouds, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:31 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Neo-Tokyo was really good

, Monday, 1 August 2016 16:52 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

finishing up 'puella magi madoka magica' after reading that it rivals evangelion (it doesn't, but i still have a few eps left so maybe it will!)
it's on netflix with or without subs so check it out!

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:32 (three years ago) link

i don't think those two are much alike

azumanga's a pretty influential series that set the template for the many 'high school girls do whatever' sketch comedy anime that are adapted from 4-panel comic strip manga. it still holds up fine but there's plenty of other ones since that are funnier imo, like i'd easily recommend Nichijou over it

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:25 (two months ago) link

ahhhh okay yeah someone I trust has already strongly recommended Nichijou and I have that queued up. For me, the charm of Polar Bear Cafe is how humdrum it is, it is almost entirely devoid of romance and high school stuff, the two things most Slice of Life animes seem to be centered around to varying degrees. Basically any Slice of Life anime that has nothing to do with love or school (see also: Skull-Faced Bookseller Honda San, which is completely different in regard to like tone and pacing but has a similar "here's a fun depiction of something completely ordinary")

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:28 (two months ago) link

second the recommendation for Tatami Galaxy, just visually stunning and short enough to watch in a few days

clouds, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:52 (two months ago) link

i'm glad you liked honda san!

have you seen pop team epic yet?

clouds, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:53 (two months ago) link

Yes! I've gotten a few episodes in, I enjoy it from time to time but I'm not totally hooked, at times it's SO frenetic and breakneck that the jokes don't really land

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:34 (two months ago) link

omg Oishinbo sounds so charming and up my alley, I need to track this down

― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 4:27 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

There are collection of some of the manga translated into English. The Sushi one is super interesting because a lot of it focuses on all the terrible parasites you can ingest if you don’t prepare it right. The sake one has some views that are a little dated but is very educational, especially about the sake industry as it was in the 80s but maybe this is only of interest to a sake geek.

It’s interesting, not least because it comes from a place of deep unease about Japanese culture, especially food culture, being subsumed by and excitement about new and exciting western things. A lot of the episodes revolve around a Japanese obsessive about something western being introduced to a Japanese equivalent that is as good or better.

One of the early episodes of the anime has a contest between foie gras and simmered monkfish liver and a bunch of gourmets are astounded that japan has something so good. (Having eaten monkfish liver in japan I am a little skeptical)

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:49 (two months ago) link

Is this also the manga thread for people who don’t really like manga (comics, graphic novels etc.), because I have a lot of manga for someone who does really like manga?

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:53 (two months ago) link

if there's one thing manga and anime has taught me is that all Japanese food is oishii and woe betide anyone who suggests otherwise (apart from that one girl who for some reason can only make a purple mess of death)

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:39 (two months ago) link

damn don't harsh on misato's cooking like that

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:40 (two months ago) link

and yes someone make a manga thread so I can tell you all about how this Ito version of No Longer Human is really cheering me up haha

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:42 (two months ago) link

my boyfriend told me to watch an episode of Food Wars bcz I love food and... this is not for me, I would prefer not to watch children being raped by squids I think??? Though it lead to a whole convo about fan service and whatnot, my boyfriend loves exploitation cinema and Russ Meyer and stuff so he didn't mind it as much, but tbh this feels a lot grosser than that to my eyes (also I don't love exploitation cinema)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 13:27 (two months ago) link

I would prefer not to watch children being raped by squids I think???

wait what?? maybe i should have been keeping a closer eye on this :(

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:31 (two months ago) link

ya in the first 5 or 10 minutes of ep 1 when the guy feeds that girl the peanut butter squid there's a whole tentacle rape thing

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:51 (two months ago) link

that part was gross but my bf and i watched the first two seasons and found it mostly really endearing and entertaining! you really start to love the chars once you get to know them all.

clouds, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:30 (two months ago) link

honestly that peanut butter squid thing is the worst the show gets afaicr

clouds, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:32 (two months ago) link

I've said it upthread somewhere but Redline is fun.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:55 (two months ago) link

Foodwars continues to be massively sexist and objectifying.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:17 (two months ago) link

Yeah it’s not great. I’ve talked with my kids about it. They immediately jump to its defense with all kinds of cockamamie reasons why actually it’s not sexist etc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:07 (two months ago) link

Cue Miyazaki "Anime was a mistake" gif!

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:09 (two months ago) link

I'm very conflicted because the bits that aren't massively sexist and objectifying are quite good. It's also from this decade, not the 80s which has me RMDE at both Japan and Netflix. I should just pay for Paravi and watch the 3 seasons of Wakakozake I haven't yet watched.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Thursday, 9 July 2020 05:44 (two months ago) link

Anyone seen the Ulysses 31 series? It was a french-japanese co-production.

I used to get some interesting anime recommendations on youtube but never see them anymore. It was the type of stuff that sold all over the world before anime had a real global audience. It tended to be fairy tales and I remember one of the earliest things I ever saw that didn't seem to be an american/japanese cartoon like GI Joe or X-Men or any number of saturday morning toy line stuff was Wizard Of Oz (there's different versions). I often wonder how much the fairy tales, X-Men, Thundercats etc got people ready for fully japanese cartoons.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 July 2020 20:24 (two months ago) link

watched Ulysses 31 as a kid as it was broadcast on UK TV, completely forgot about it until now and yet can immediately sing the whole theme tune. brains r weird.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 9 July 2020 22:02 (two months ago) link

there was another japanese-french one from the 80s that my kids have seen, the mysterious cities of gold. they loved it.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 July 2020 23:15 (two months ago) link

I need another pile of unread food manga like I need aa hole in the head, however a magazine just turned up with a list of the best food manga series and this one (Osen) looks so cool

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Friday, 10 July 2020 07:32 (two months ago) link
Mentioned the podcast earlier when I was talking about Jonathan Clements but now I've listened to it. A lot of talk of of the original version of Gunbuster being difficult (or did they say impossible?) to find.
Funny story about pseudonyms; Tezuka being a dick to a musician.
Brilliant stuff about which animes succeed better abroad and then they're compelled to make more many years later (Trigun), or pretend they have more episodes than they do, so they can make them later. I'm kind of delighted that Urotsukidoji was a possibly bigger in the UK than anywhere else BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! And he does talk about the irony of how it was portrayed as being what those sickos in japan watch, but actually Britain likes it more.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 13 July 2020 17:37 (two months ago) link

xps my first encounters with Anime was French kids TV in the eighties. They were showing Dragonball on Saturday mornings way before it hit the UK. Lots of other shows too - yes Ulysses, Cities of Gold (which were shown in the UK at the time), but also Olive et Tom, Ecole Des Champions, Nicky Larsson and many other French/Japanese productions. Anime was standard French kids' TV back then. Not sure what inspired it though

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:14 (two months ago) link

anime seems to have been more successful in most places than it was in the uk. there was a lot of anime on the tv in Chile when I used to visit in the 90s as a kid

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:28 (two months ago) link

Boogiepop Phantom and Serial Expeeiments: Alain are highly recommended, especially for us who have become shut-ins or already were pre-pandemic.

I haven’t seen it yet, but Dennou Coil (Den-Noh Coil) has gotten rapturous reviews

beamish13, Monday, 20 July 2020 23:13 (two months ago) link

Serial Experiments: LAIN, not Alain, lol

beamish13, Monday, 20 July 2020 23:14 (two months ago) link

It's interesting that anime never got much of a foothold in the UK, or Ireland. The only time it really had mainstream visibility here was during the late 90s/early 00s Pokemon craze, with a few other shows with names ending in "mon" and a heavily butchered dub of Card Captor Sakura. There have been a few attempts at anime-focused satellite channels over the years, and they all disappeared in a matter of weeks.

It seems like France and Italy are the big European anime/manga markets, both countries have a long history of anime shows on television (going back to the 70s at least).

Duane Barry, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:43 (two months ago) link

Germany is quite into manga, i remember a few years ago looking up books on amazon and getting frustated cos a few books I wanted to buy were only translated into German. iirc when Tokyopop collapsed in the late 00s the only bit that survived was Tokyopop Gmbh cos it was profitable, and is still going today.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 18:27 (two months ago) link

It's interesting that it has caught on in Africa so much too; how about south asia and middle east?

Another thing in that podcast above (which is quite well known to be fair) is about how much Chinese authorities view japanese cartoons as a threat, they were appalled when they found out that the majority of popular cartoons were japanese and I think they banned a bunch of stuff.

I heard a good theory that manga and anime have been so accessible is because the faces of the characters are mostly very simplified and almost like emoticons. That's disconcerting for me because that's the thing I most dislike about it. It's quite hard to find artists who draw faces like Dave Cooper (when he's not in his old timey cartoons mode) but I've found a few I can't remember the names of.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 18:36 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I’m enjoying Carol and Tuesday on Netflix right now about two teenagers who set out to conquer the Martian music business. 11 episodes in the fact that they live on mars seems entirely incidental to the plot, especially as the bit of mars they live in looks like Brooklyn. Nevertheless there are lots of robots and AI’s, they hire a small drunken arsehole of a robot to direct a recreation of the thriller video in episode 4.

The whole arc is about the battle between Carol and Tuesday’s homespun, handmade, honest to goodness sparkly pop sounds and Angela, former model, who is working with the mysterious Tao and his AI to manufacture the ultimate pop career.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 9 August 2020 22:18 (one month ago) link

i think its on mars because its by the cowboy bebop guy and 'genre setting + music focus' is his entire thing

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 August 2020 22:23 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

omfg I’m finishing up my second viewing of Kill la Kill which much to my delight my bf is LOVING, I wish this didn’t have so much gross sexual shit (incest, sexualized children, etc), it’s hard to like wholeheartedly recommended, but what a trip. Should I watch Gurren Lagaan next?

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 14 September 2020 01:02 (one week ago) link

kill la kill is the weakest of the big gainax/trigger shows imo, the second half is kind of a drag.

gurren lagann is better though still very much the work of the same director & writer so a lot of the beats are similar. same with promare though its a movie so its a nice concise take on the formula

ciderpress, Monday, 14 September 2020 02:03 (one week ago) link

Isn't Gainax and Trigger anime for people who love anime?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:11 (one week ago) link

for sure, but this thread was originally spun off of eva discussion which is also gainax...

ciderpress, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:30 (one week ago) link

I feel like Kill la Kill is at once perfect for ppl who both love and don’t love anime

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:00 (one week ago) link

also i mostly think of this thread more as 'anime with crossover appeal outside of anime fandom' which trigger stuff definitely is. imaishi's even making the cyberpunk 2077 tie-in netflix series lol

ciderpress, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:24 (one week ago) link

I've been working my way through the original Patlabor OVA and it's interesting, it's slower in pace that what I would have expected from a mecha anime, like more of a drama with robots than an ACTION!!! series. The characters are well developed and it also has a timelessness about it, like it doesn't really lean into pop culture or era-specific tropes too much? I like it! It doesn't feel groundbreaking or mind-blowing but it's sturdy and pleasant. I'm almost done and then I'm going to watch the first 2 movies.

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 12:27 (three days ago) link

the 1st movie is my fav anime movie

ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 13:21 (three days ago) link

I decided to watch some anime again this year after a long time of not watching it. I don't hate anime but I often feel underwhelmed. But figured there must be something worth watching from the past fifteen years

Mob Psycho 100 is funny and enjoyable and visually interesting for such a well-trodden genre. Several friends also recommended Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, which was not bad but felt very standard for its genre (never saw the original series). I know there are much longer series but it still felt overly long. At least the ending was sufficiently epic

Vinnie, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:04 (two days ago) link

oh shit i should watch patlabor

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:10 (two days ago) link

Yes do it, it’s only 7 eps and then 2 movies! Somehow I only just the other day realized it was Mamoru Oahii

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 24 September 2020 03:35 (two days ago) link

my bf and i have been going through jojo's bizarre adventure: stardust crusaders and have been loving it

orson around (clouds), Thursday, 24 September 2020 04:04 (two days ago) link

second patlabor movie is my fav oshii but I haven't seen the first one for at least a decade

kenji kawai score is excellent too

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:14 (two days ago) link

it's probably been even longer for the OVAs, but if memory serves, oshii directs some of the moodier ones there too

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:15 (two days ago) link

first movie is more like the ovas, 2nd is off doing its own thing

ciderpress, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:26 (two days ago) link

That's a beautiful piece of music.

As a young anime watcher the Patlabor movie totally confounded me with how little action there was. But then Wings Of Honneamise was similarly uncommercial for such a big production.
Then I remember even the Fist Of The North Star feature length turned all the outrageous fantasy violence into a horrible disempowering downer of an ending and the very commercial seeming Street Fighter Alpha mortified me by having my favorite characters brutalized in such a depressing fashion by some schmuck who isn't even in the games.

It's weird looking back on all that and I wonder if anime is still doing this to kids these days.

I was 9 or 10 years old when the school janitor loaned me Akira and it made me feel really sick but I mostly liked it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 24 September 2020 21:08 (two days ago) link

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