Anime for people who hate anime

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Inspired by this exchange on the Evangelion thread:

while mourning my lack of fresh Eva content I've spent most of today trying to find other anime series that I don't find intensely grating on one level or another - after a bunch of false starts, Masaaki Yuasa's stuff seems pretty solidly up my alley

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:48 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who am I kidding I will totally rewatch it when 4.0 comes out, this franchise is built on (and fosters) masochism

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 2:04 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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simon, have you seen either mushi-shi, serial experiments: lain or kino's journey? they aren't at all like eva tone-wise but pretty much free from most anime cliches and are v cerebral and emotionally engaging.

― hello, it me (clouds), Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:02 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ all 3 of those are excellent, especially Mushishi. Someone should make a anime recommendation site for people who hate anime

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:09 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have not but Lain is on my to-check-out consideration list. Currently watching Ping Pong, which feels oddly substantive given the subject matter? I've seen Bebop (eh) and FLCL (neat). Basically hated what I saw of Death Note, Future Diary, and a few others that aren't immediately coming to me.

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 4:19 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the biggest problem is that all anime gets marketed essentially the same in english-speaking countries, as if "anime" were one monolithic genre -- so you get this phenomenon of the same people recommending in the same breath stuff made for teenage boys like death note also recommending more complex shows like steins;gate or the others i mentioned. it seems to me that the targeted demographic for these shows are quite distinct in japan, though i could be wrong.

― hello, it me (clouds), Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:00 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is exactly why i had a bad time whenever i went to an anime convention

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyway all of anno's pre-eva miyazaki-inspired series nadia is on hulu and i recommend it; it's very digressive but also very charming. another gentle, kinda perfect, nontraditional anime, by lain's character designer: haibane renmei

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 7:49 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

attending an anime convention sounds like my idea of hell!

― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, September 13, 2015 8:54 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 01:23 (three years ago) link

Coffee

brimstead, Monday, 14 September 2015 01:44 (three years ago) link

welp that's Nichijou added to the queue

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 01:50 (three years ago) link

lol

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 02:27 (three years ago) link

paranoia agent

in 72 point bold red font

Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 14 September 2015 03:55 (three years ago) link

yeah that one

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 03:59 (three years ago) link

<3 nichijou

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 14 September 2015 04:25 (three years ago) link

ghost hound. sorta like twin peaks x lain with an amazing dark ambient score.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 14 September 2015 04:38 (three years ago) link

i don't really like anime but i much enjoyed serial experiments: lain and texhnolyze

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2015 05:43 (three years ago) link

def rec all of yuasa's stuff, especially Ping Pong and my favorite, The Tatami Galaxy. funny (even if you don't really "get" anime humor) and manic and inspiring and brilliantly animated.

my other favorite ever is kids on the slope, a coming of age story from shinichiro watanabe ( cowboy bebop, samurai champloo ) about a love triangle between three jazz-obsessed teenagers in 1960s small town japan. the music sequences are incredible.

oiocha, Monday, 14 September 2015 07:29 (three years ago) link

would recommend Wandering Son (Hourou Musuko), a show about a boy who likes to dress as a girl and a girl who likes to dress as a boy. Surprisingly thoughtful exploration of transsexualism and gender identity, a million miles away from how these subjects are usually handled in anime. Also has a beautiful watercolour art style.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 14 September 2015 10:16 (three years ago) link

paranoia agent

in 72 point bold red font

― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that one

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Evan, Monday, 14 September 2015 10:48 (three years ago) link

oh yeah, kids on the slope! I've only seen a few episodes but the premise kills me

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 13:55 (three years ago) link

kids on the slope is pretty good, otm about the music sequences

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (three years ago) link

my rec is Redline, one movie that i might say is more intense and thrilling from start to finish than mad max

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (three years ago) link

mad max fury road that is

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:15 (three years ago) link

fyi there's also this thread Animation Snob Thread (no Disney, no Pixar, no mainstream anime, mention Family Guy and you get kicked out a window), puppet films are allowed whihc i've had bookmarked forever

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:16 (three years ago) link

if strongo were still here he'd tell you to check out Mind game. he's not so I'm going to tell you to check out mind game.

, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:17 (three years ago) link

Redline is really good in places but I don't think it has the momentum or overall quality of Fury Road. I felt the character development was unnecessary.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:21 (three years ago) link

just finished Berserk which was enjoyable but it might be too "anime"

diamonddave85​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 September 2015 14:24 (three years ago) link

As to the question of the thread, it depends on what one hates about anime. I'm generally not a fan but I can deal with the things I don't like if there's enough other good things going on. But I can't pretend I haven't seen a lot of ecchi trash (a true guilty pleasure).
A lot of the better anime still has a lot of the things some people dislike about anime, like the drawing styles. I've always preferred far more textured animation and unusual expressive techniques.

The thing that impressed me about the Satoshi Kon stuff is how well the scenes are composed. Most of the anime I had seen was very sloppy and badly edited.
Paranoia Agent is actually my least favourite of his works. It's probably supposed to be confounding but I don't think it really carried off on the intrigue they built early on, I found a lot of it a tad boring and the animation quality drops in a few places.

Like I recommend in Animation Snob Thread, Keita Kurosaka is the least typical Japanese animator I know of but his work isn't easy to find. Angel's Egg is a lovely science fiction mood piece without much (any?) dialogue, with designs by Yoshitaka Amano.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 14:54 (three years ago) link

Berserk (90s tv version) does an impressive job of telling the early best part of the comic saga despite clear time/budget constraints and even improving some parts of the story. Great soundtrack too.
The later film series version doesn't allow the story time to develope and breathe properly. It feels too much like a summary.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 14 September 2015 15:01 (three years ago) link

Satoshi Kon is definitely one of the go-to anime directors for people who aren't anime fans. Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers are all great movies in different ways. Paprika was a bit weak story-wise IMO, but is still worth a watch.

Paranoia Agent is pretty great too, although I think the series loses a lot of momentum once it abandons the initial set-up - those stand alone episodes in the middle are great, but the over-arching plot kinda gets lost.

I'll second the recommendations for Mushishi, Kino and Lain above, and add Haibane Renmei, which is intriguing and reflective in a similar way.

Planetes is a pretty solid sci-fi series with good characters and little in the way of anime cliches.

Duane Barry, Monday, 14 September 2015 16:35 (three years ago) link

Haibane is excellent but I gotta disagree about Planetes, i watched the series after reading the manga and was super disappointed with the adaption, they really anime-ed it up by adding in lots of comedy sidekicks and useless drama. Don't even get me started about that last episode :(

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:28 (three years ago) link

haibane renmei is incidentally all on hulu plus

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:48 (three years ago) link

I liked Haibane Renmei too. I'll also throw Psycho Pass out there for anyone into Philip K Dick sort of themes. It's on Netflix for easy access.

salsa shark, Monday, 14 September 2015 18:06 (three years ago) link

thx for the many recs y'all, I need as much distraction as possible at present

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Monday, 14 September 2015 22:45 (three years ago) link

Seconding Mind Game, and reposting from the Netflix thread to remind people that Studio 4C put up a batch of films a couple of weeks ago- Mind Game, Genius Party and Genius Party Beyond (which are both mixed, but each has a fairly lengthy short from respectively Masaaki Yuasa and Koji Morimoto that are among the best things either have ever done), and Princess Arete (which I haven't watched yet but is supposed to be a gentle, Ghibli-esque thing?).

I don't know how easy it is to get outside the kickstarter, but Yuasa's Kick-Heart is pretty fun. And the adaptation of Taiyo Matsumoto's Ping Pong is well worth your time- I love Michael Arias's Tekkonkinkreet movie, but Ping Pong is a much more faithful translation of Matsumoto's style to animation and it's gorgeous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcSuAhbtIFg

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:12 (three years ago) link

Crap, sorry, didn't see Ping Pong was already recommended twice >_<

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:15 (three years ago) link

Less than four minutes long, but this Ken Ishii video by Morimoto is kind of a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6maVVFs0As

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:17 (three years ago) link

One last thing before I shut up about Morimoto:

NOISEMAN SOUND INSECT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOlYfHdpwU

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:22 (three years ago) link

Dumb qn from someone v.far outside but a lot of suggestions seem to be, say, post-PKD-ish ... is there much in the way of, IDK, George Eliot/Jane Austen-y stuff?

etc, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:46 (three years ago) link

Josei anime would be the term, from a quick look at manga categories, I guess?

etc, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 01:53 (three years ago) link

This was Google's first result, anyone want to comment on any of these? http://www.themarysue.com/josei-anime/

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 02:02 (three years ago) link

wow, that ping pong series looks amazing! excited to see it's on hulu.

the late great, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 04:29 (three years ago) link

From that Josei list:
Michiko & Hatchin stars two female characters but it's much closer to Black Lagoon/Tarantino territory, lots of action set pieces and stylish baddies. It's really well made but is twice as long as it needs to be tbh, towards the end you will be dreading yet another car chase. Which is rarely said about Jane Austen.
Princess Jellyfish is really good, lots of interesting characters although some can be a bit too one dimensional, particularly the one mentioned in the article.
A series that is currently airing called Snow White With The Red Hair caught me by surprise and might be the purest Josei show I've ever enjoyed. As you can guess from the title it has a fairytale like quality, with a commoner girl and a dashing young prince falling in love. What sets it apart though is the title character, a strong willed girl who feels like she's walked out of a Ghibli movie, you can't help but cheer her on.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 05:52 (three years ago) link

etc, you might want to look into honey & clover (about a group of students at an art school), nana (about the friendship between two women, one a fashion student and one a rock musician), nodame cantabile (about the romantic relationship between a pianist and an aspiring conductor), his and her circumstances (the show hideaki anno made after evangelion, about the romantic relationship between two high school students), and revolutionary girl utena (hard to summarize?)

1staethyr, Thursday, 17 September 2015 08:21 (three years ago) link

also, a lot of the shows mentioned itt originally aired as part of fuji tv's noitamina block, which is specifically dedicated to programming that appeals to ppl outside of the young male demographic. the noitamina lineup is a p good place to look for "mature" anime in a bunch of different genres

1staethyr, Thursday, 17 September 2015 08:28 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

reporting back

PING PONG

Watched all of this one - the animation is obv incredible but what surprised me about it is the persistent and convincing bittersweetness, which helped offset how predictable many/most of the plot/character beats really are. Into it.

KIDS ON THE SLOPE

Also watched all of this, liked it less. The musical sequences are incredible and kept me going. As w/ many shows like this (regardless of genre) the relatively subtly homoerotic friendship >>>>>> the neverending tedium of the actual "romances." (Tho I admit that I have a problem w/ series wherein 100% of the long-running conflicts could be solved with one frank conversation.)

tried UTENA but it's just too mid-90s for me. a couple eps into MUSHI-SHI - animation's gorgeous, stories seem a bit intert? will keep trying.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:23 (three years ago) link

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-AHo-_XEV6E

Maybe most of you guys know all this stuff but its just a little video about the difficulties of making anime.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:45 (three years ago) link

good timing on that as it frequently refers to Manglobe (Champloo, Michiko) who finally filed for bankruptcy the other day

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 1 October 2015 22:00 (three years ago) link

Just finished watching Gosenzosama Banbanzai, a pretty bizarre and funny six-part OVA from the late 80s. It's one of Mamoru Oshii's more obscure efforts (like that odd "Twilight Q" short), about a girl who travels back in time to live with her ancestors. The whole thing is presented like a stage play, making it pretty unique.

I know Oshii made a big splash with Ghost in the Shell, but I actually think that was his last really good film (though I haven't seen his live action stuff, and discount Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade, which he wrote but didn't direct).

Duane Barry, Saturday, 3 October 2015 17:22 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

so uh toonami is producing two new season of flcl

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:47 (three years ago) link

Nice!

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 March 2016 00:54 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

brave new world

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 22:28 (three years ago) link

oops. didn't realize this was a 3 month revive

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 22:29 (three years ago) link

I've just started the new anime version of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable, and it really defies description (although Merritt Kopas's phrase "Twink Peaks" is pretty apt, as long as you bear in mind that it also involves spectral combat and Gauguin-like color clashes): an escaped serial killer has just been fused into a living statue by a vengeful high school student after attempting to infiltrate the student's house as a malign spirit in rainwater, and this is two episodes in. Idk what kind of relation to anime the ideal viewer would have, but it's certainly distinctive.

one way street, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 00:33 (three years ago) link

Jojo is so batshit, i love it

clouds, Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:31 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Neo-Tokyo was really good

, Monday, 1 August 2016 16:52 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

finishing up 'puella magi madoka magica' after reading that it rivals evangelion (it doesn't, but i still have a few eps left so maybe it will!)
it's on netflix with or without subs so check it out!

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:32 (two years ago) link

though in the spirit of this thread, i think people who hate anime would hate this one

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:32 (two years ago) link

yeh Madoka is hella anime. You have to put off watching the last two episodes for two months to get the authentic original release experience!

the crossover hit this year in Japan had been the new Shinkai (5cm/second, Garden Of Words) film Your Name.
It's already the 7th highest grossing film at the Japanese box office and looks like it's going to overhaul Howl and Mononoke soon.
Sounds like it became an anime for people who don't normally watch anime!
Looks like it's getting a very limited release in the West though.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:46 (two years ago) link

Mamoru Hosada's latest The Boy and the Beast will be released in DK next month. Checking his stuff out, the plots are quite intriguing, and Summer Wars was in Locarno. I have no idea what is hatable and non-hatable anime, though. Are people mad at Miyazaki? Or Ghost in the Shell type stuff?

Frederik B, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:54 (two years ago) link

neither i think, just really specific genre stuff i'm guessing. madoka is magical girl for instance

incidentally i gotta see madoka, report back diamonddave

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 14 November 2016 23:00 (two years ago) link

little witch academia y'all

clouds, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:51 (two years ago) link

been meaning to watch madoka for ages but the animation style really puts me off

cosign little witch academia. dennou coil is another good one

klu, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:45 (two years ago) link

I loooove Mindgame! And as often as it veers into utterly silly and corny porny territory I find it really inspiring. The whole "live your life to the fullest" theme is for some reason really infectious (which for me translated to getting off Facebook for a few days and getting a jumpstart on errands and chores to free up time for making music and catching up with friends, not exactly an epic adventure but a net plus)

Has anyone here seen Ergo Proxy? It felt like some kind of cross between Book of the New Sun (not saying it's anywhere near the brilliance, just some similar vibes) and the hazy memories I have of Final Fantasy plots from countless hours I used to spend watching friends play while not totally knowing what was going on. It's probably my fav anime series after NGE.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 05:39 (two years ago) link

I think the reason Madoka gets compared to Evangelion is that both shows approach their respective genre in unconventional ways; if Eva is a "deconstruction" of giant mecha shows, then Madoka is the same for magical girl stories.

And yes, the two Little Witch Academia films are great!

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 11:35 (two years ago) link

yall weren't kidding about Mind Game. that film was incredible.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 11:56 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

finished madoka, the final episodes were excellent: poignant while also attempting to reach for the stars in those confusing and mind-bending ways that we love anime for

watched the first episode of kill la kill last night and i'm torn. on the one hand, it has the most over the top insane, funny, frantic animation i think i've ever seen. on the other hand, waay over the top fan-service to the point of absurdity

just another (diamonddave85), Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:56 (two years ago) link

it's not fan service, it's a parody of it

clouds, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:06 (two years ago) link

I haven't seen it but according to fans it does at times fully embrace plain fanservice.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:13 (two years ago) link

Can you call it a parody if it's indistinguishable from the thing it's supposedly parodying?
e.g. Nisioisin plays around a lot with tropes and stereotypes in the Monogatari series but sometimes falls flat on his face, leading to some incredibly gross scenes. I keep watching because there's some great stuff in there but goddamn it goes off the rails in awful ways sometimes.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:23 (two years ago) link

See Xtreme 90s American comics doing affectionate parodies of their own work.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:31 (two years ago) link

idk just watch it it's all explained and makes sense as a part of the plot (seriously)

clouds, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:36 (two years ago) link

kill la kill is one of the most stunning anime series ever imo

clouds, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:37 (two years ago) link

fanservice isn't any less fanservice if it's explained or justified by the plot—the plot and setting of a given piece of fictional media aren't givens that exist outside of the control of the creator

1staethyr, Saturday, 3 December 2016 00:57 (two years ago) link

No, you see these upskirts are ironic

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:02 (two years ago) link

Anyway I've watched all of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure up to the current point over the last couple of months or so and all I can really say is that it's probably the most accurately named thing I've seen in my life. I don't think this series has been as good as the one before it but now that shit's getting real it's seriously compelling

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:07 (two years ago) link

i've been meaning to read jjba for years and years but could never bring myself to get into a series with decades' worth of plot. i should probably just watch the show

1staethyr, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:13 (two years ago) link

wow, the golgo 13 manga has been going for 48 years

1staethyr, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:16 (two years ago) link

I don't read manga (not out of principle, just never got round to it I guess) but I can definitely recommend the JJBA anime as long as you can get past the first ten or so episodes (not bad but the prequel is very different in tone from the rest of it).

ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 3 December 2016 01:32 (two years ago) link

Jojo has separate parts that can mostly be taken separately. And unless you're going to go for fan unauthorized versions, there's only three parts available so it's not overwhelming at all. The third part is where it really gets going, you might even start there.
I was never interested in any of the anime versions because they don't come close to Araki's drawing, which is sometimes really brilliant.

Check out those house keyrings
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/e/e1/Jojo6251.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110530230310

I've never read Golgo 13 but isn't it only short self-contained stories featuring the same guy?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 December 2016 02:22 (two years ago) link

idk i haven't read it either, i was just looking at a list of the longest-running manga

1staethyr, Saturday, 3 December 2016 04:19 (two years ago) link

Yes Golgo 13 is episodic and as it's long running some stories are good, some terrible, some are hilariously weird - usually when they intersect with real life events - Golgo gets hired to assassinate Princess Diana, was in prison with Mandela and cost Al Gore the 2000 election.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 3 December 2016 04:37 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Knights of Sidonia S1 is for people who hate anime; S2 is... not.

Wes Brodicus, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:06 (two years ago) link

Unless you can dig a pervert's spin on the tiredest of anime romcom cliches, and why would you, as an anime hater.

Wes Brodicus, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 20:08 (two years ago) link

ahahaha yeah that was a weird one

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:24 (two years ago) link

apparently in the manga they get married

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:25 (two years ago) link

I could handle a romance between a human and a foul-smelling mutant with a talking dick, but the mutant having the personality of a little girl crossed a line imo.

In other news, an adaptation of Nihei Tsutomu’s opus magnum Blame is coming to Netflix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwy806RC2-Q

Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 9 March 2017 13:25 (two years ago) link

There's a decent discussion of this thread's subject in a comment thread here:

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/09/11/wot-i-think-recettear-an-item-shops-tale/#comment-508137

I downloaded the first episode of pretty much all of them and.. have to get back to that project. But Akagi, a nerves-of-steel thriller about games of Mahjongg, is absolutely amazing.

Paranoia Agent is very good - one note is that the first episode contains an awful lot of people refusing to believe a young woman's account of events.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 March 2017 14:02 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

I have gotten somewhat more into anime over the past year or two, and really into anime over the past month or two. Here are my thoughts on everything I've watched lately:

Serial Experiments Lain: this was fun and everything I hoped it would be (stylized, super 90s, v cyberpunk, confusing). I felt like it was one of those shows where I could just take it all in and appreciate it aesthetically and not pay SUPER DUPER close attn to what was going on bcz even if you do it's still confusing as hell.

Genocyber: This was bad. I saw this mentioned a lot when I was researching cyberpunk anime, it is hyper violent which also intrigued me but the violence is sparse and really clunky, everything about it is poorly executed (animation, acting, writing, etc), and it quickly offset the novelty of the whole thing. It's a slog to watch and not even worth it for the shock value.

Battle Angel/Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm: This was cute, I liked this a lot. I wish it was longer than 2 episodes and I suppose I could read the manga (or a summary of the manga) but I'm fine just leaving it at this nice little 50-minute adventure. This def scratched my cyberpunk itch more than Genocyber did

Sekko Boys: The premise of this is that this woman is a manager for an idol group but all the members are marble busts, I thought this was the funniest thing ever and I laughed out loud a lot for the first few episodes but then the joke kinda wore off. I expected it to be more of a pointed commentary than it actually is.

OjiSan and Marshmallow: This is a series of 3 minute episodes about this adorable daddybear-looking dude who loves this one brand of marshmallow and this weird coworker who has a crush on him who keeps taunting him w them. It is super adorable but also the woman is like REALLY thirsty for him and it's a little wacky at times, but I'm really enjoying it

Polar Bear Cafe: I just started watching this yesterday and I am hooked so hard, it is about this anthropomorphic polar bear who runs a cafe and his regular customers who come in, set in a world where people and animals coexist w/o question, one of the characters is a panda and gets a job at the local zoo to just be their panda??? it's very humdrum slice of life and it is very soothing and SOOOO charming. I can't believe how in love with this show I am.

Ping Pong: Wow this is gorgeous!! I appreciate the simplicity of it bcz most of the anime I've watched is full of like ACTION or MYSTERY or INTRIGUE and this is just abt some students who play ping pong.

Next on my to-do list, in no real order:
Armitage III
Bubblegum Crisis
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Cowboy Bebop (I've seen the first 1/4 or so but never finished it)
Mononoke (just Mononoke, not Princess Mononoke)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:10 (two weeks ago) link

I think I used to have it in my head that most anime was shounen and that I liked the exceptions to the rule that were not shounen, but I have come to realize that sooooo much anime is not shounen, and I actually like a lot of it??? I don't like meandering 100+ episode-of-the-week type stuff that doesn't really go anywhere, fan service, romance/excessive sentimentality, but I think I am open to most everything else, especially stranger weirder stuff.

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:23 (two weeks ago) link

Ping Pong really is incredible, a modern classic
don't know Armitage III but the others on your to-do list are all solid picks

Katsuhiro Otomo announced he is making a movie, "Orbital Era", only his third after "Akira" in 1988 and "Steamboy" in 2004.
Akira is getting a 4K remaster next year, good timing to tie in with the Olympics I guess.
More controversially there is also a new Akira "project" in the works covering the whole manga story, no word if it's TV or movies.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

now I'm trying to think what a real Modern Classic Anime list would look like

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

yurucamp

ciderpress, Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

the new akira thing is gonna be a tv series not a movie

ciderpress, Saturday, 6 July 2019 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

stevie pls check out urusei yatsura: beautiful dreamer, did i already insist you watch this movie

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:22 (two weeks ago) link

Stevie, IIRC Bubblegum Crisis (I'm just going off the original OAV series here) may disappoint you - there's some cool robots-run-amok stuff but most of what's cyberpunky is just nakedly lifted from Blade Runner. It filled a niche at the time, and I was into it, but I don't think it really has any questions or answers of its own.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

oh mannnnnnnn i love Beautiful Dreamer, high five to BN

it sorta depends on you knowing the show (which is a show worth at least dipping into), but i imagine you could get most of what it's doing if you just walk in with "this is based on a popular sitcom about a womanizing teenager who got technically engaged to an alien but won't admit he loves her, hijinks ensue with huge support cast."

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

i've never seen the show and i did spend like half the movie trying to figure out everyone's relationships to each other, also the whole "building a nazi-themed bar for the school festival" plotline is... weird, otherwise: a perfect movie

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

I rewatched Bubblegum Crisis last year and really enjoyed it, yes it is heavily influenced by Bladerunner but there was some nice body horror stuff going on in there and some beautiful animation. Plus it has some of the greatest "using random English as part of computer screens" in anime, one screen I didn't recognize turned out to be the lyrics to a David Sylvian song lol

https://i.imgur.com/7la8oVO.jpg

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 6 July 2019 17:59 (two weeks ago) link

i do love "konya wa hurricane" and back in the day i had a soft spot for "bye bye my crisis" after taping it off a night when the college radio station played nothing but anime music for three hours.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 July 2019 18:14 (two weeks ago) link

oh yes Beautiful Dreamer is on my list!

tbh I kinda expect Bubblegum Crisis to not be excellent but I also love cyberpunk enough that I will watch derivative mediocre shit if it's cool looking enough (e.g. Johnny Mnemonic, which I love)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 6 July 2019 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

ahhhh cool, yeah, you should def watch it then!

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:16 (two weeks ago) link

I saw the spinoff Bubblegum Crash many years ago it wasn't that interesting but the poor slave robot was memorable. Looking up this series, I had no idea AD Police was set in the same universe but that makes a lot of sense, but it had a lot more sex, violence and perhaps immature seriousness.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 6 July 2019 20:25 (two weeks ago) link

I finished FLCL, it's a lot of fun but the music is the highlight by a wide margin. I'm still curious about the two new seasons, though.

I'm watching Kill La Kill now (fanservice caveats of course), it starts off great (fanservice aside) but I may have hit an anime saturation point because the wacky anime face faults are losing their shine.

Garbo Pond (Leee), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:31 (one week ago) link

my sister told me to watch fairy tail wow what garbage i told her to watch evangelion and she had about the same reaction lol

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:38 (one week ago) link

yayy Stevie I'm so glad you liked Polar Bear Cafe, it really is such a cute show

if you liked that you should seek out Skull-Face Bookseller Honda-San, it's a slice-of-life anime based around the staff of a bookstore and essential if you've ever worked in customer service with awful people

clouds, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:24 (four days ago) link

awful news, 13+ dead at Kyoto Animation studio after arson attack
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49027178

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:07 (three days ago) link

yeah this is fucked

ciderpress, Thursday, 18 July 2019 11:35 (three days ago) link

33 dead, 36 injured

what a nightmare

ciderpress, Thursday, 18 July 2019 13:35 (three days ago) link

There’s never any sense to attacks like this, but firebombing an animation studio seems even more fucked up.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:20 (three days ago) link


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