AGNES VARDA, mother of the nouvelle vague

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Ooh, good news! I've always wanted to see Lions.

Cherish, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link

mur murs is great, & uncle yanco's one of the most perfectly formed things she did, i think - it's so vibrant & formally inventive & beautiful.

i watched le bonheur last night, i'm kinda patchy with the earlier films, they're nice but i come to them expecting the wrong things on account of the richness of her later/essayistic work

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

i saw her discuss La Pointe Courte after this screening a few months ago. She is in fact tiny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfC0UBiTG4g

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

At least you didn't call her the 'grandmother' of the nouvelle vague

Le Bonheur's ending is like the beginning of Haneke. Cleo is as good as any French film classic from the time.

The docs and in-between experiments are def overlooked. Lions is proto-reality tv.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

Came across this today: http://cleojournal.com/category/vol-3-issue-2-camp/

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link

i watched le bonheur recently also & dug it v much

also watched the jane birkin one kung fu master/le petit amour - considering the premise its surprisingly watchable but id not really recommend it, best part is prob charlotte gainsbourg who you can already tell is a natural actress

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link

Embarrassed to say that I've never seen anything by her. Where should I start?

The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link

Cléo

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link

Cleo, La Bonheur, Le Pointe Courte.

Docs are as important. Mur Murs is great, she is probably the only French filmmaker who did anything of note with her time in America (not that others from that generation made any serious attempts)

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 August 2015 09:27 (eight years ago) link

gorin! on a not dissimilar wavelength.

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 13 August 2015 09:40 (eight years ago) link

good shout actually.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 August 2015 10:11 (eight years ago) link

interesting (to me at least) abt le Bonheur -- its wiki entry had previously described the guy as proposing a threesome to his wife after she confronts him abt his affair. I thought this was bizarre but maybe like lost in translation or something. That ref has since been removed & the wiki cleaned up & edited w/ some historical perspective also in connection w/ some class project, v cool

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

Docs are as important.

The Gleaners and I

Jacquot de Nantes (after you've seen a few Demy films)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

the scene where he's explaining his affair in beautiful bucolic return-to-nature fantasy apple orchard terms is so unbearable, seinfeldian menage hints would've been preferable

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 13 August 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

The Gleaners and I

One day I'll see it..

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link

so good. need to watch more.

e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link

prob too obv to mention, but vagabond <3

drash, Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

She's awesome yeah

Her films show up from time to time on mubi, though not as often as marker. Also docalliance put a load if her films up for free a while ago.

Surprised nobody has mentioned the beaches of Agnes yet, so good

killfile with that .exe, you goon (wins), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link

yep

Sandrine Bonnaire is amazing in Vagabond

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

I'm not big on Cleo but Le Bonheur, Vagabond, The Gleaners and I are impressive.

Would love to have heard the breakfast chatter between her and Jacques Demy.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 August 2015 01:22 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...
two months pass...

chats with Miranda July about generational shifts, Jane Birkin, work and family—and the time capsule that is KUNG-FU MASTER.

When a woman works, you say, ‘who’s caring for the kids,’ when a man works, nobody asks. I remember people, they would ask me and I would say, ‘Do you ask Truffaut?’

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/the-lens-miranda-july-and-agnes-varda

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

she's so great.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

so much varda on mubi a few months ago, i got overwhelmed and watched none of it

carly rae jetson (thomp), Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link

She met Castro, after several attempts – it was a last-minute affair at his favourite seaside restaurant. “He was good-looking, nice, calm,” Varda remembers. She made him stand before two huge boulders, so he appeared to have wings of stone. In her film, she noted: “He incarnates Cuba the way Gary Cooper incarnates the wild west.”

gag

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link

The Moré photo is beautiful. Would watch a Varda doc on post-coup Cuba.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link

Really hope they restore Marker's Cuba Si someday (if someone hasn't done that already?) The Varda doc is so good.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb6EFdB1x1E

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 8 August 2016 07:09 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

Lions Love is fantastic.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 03:06 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...
three weeks pass...

A.V. was on hand to introduce One Sings, the Other Doesn’t at NYFF yesterday. I liked the first hour fine, but the next 45 mins were a little heavy on mid-'70s feminist acoustic-guitar ballads extolling Engels and pregnancy.

It was a new DCP, apparently forthcoming on Criterion?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link

he next 45 mins were a little heavy on mid-'70s feminist acoustic-guitar ballads extolling Engels and pregnancy.

I initially read this as "mid-'70s feminist acoustic-guitar ballads extolling EAGLES and pregnancy.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Monday, 2 October 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

only if she had stayed in L.A.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link

Don & Glenn From 5-7

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link

What did they think of her work?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link

Loved One Sings, the Other Doesn't when i saw it last year - really liked the journey from of the two friends (in the context of so much talk of female friendship in fiction this slots right in), the Iranian journey (although Varda's Iranian work in the context of the Shah could be a troublesome aspect), as all r/ships, was v well done - one of her best films. The songs and their filming on unsuspecting punters was kinda funny and not cruel. Playful.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 October 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I liked the punter reactions. The Iranian trip didn't make me think of Varda re the Shah but about Teheran on the eve of revolution.

I haven't watched this, is it just excerpts from OStOD?

http://bbook.com/film/watch-agnes-vardas-1976-short-film-plaisir-damour-en-iran/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link

I have seen that short a few years before OStOD and can't remember. In fact its what I was thinking of - lots of ppl got money off the Shah during that period, so...troublesome.

As a piece of cinema - divorcing the politics for now - it works.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 October 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

well, when Orson Welles and tons of Hollywood productions shot in Spain in the '50s and '60s, they said you could get all the resources you wanted as long as Franco's minions got their money.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link

I still haven't seen An Angel at My Table but I'm inclined to wag my finger at her for championing Sweetie.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link

Criterion needs to do a sweepstakes surrounding this closet.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link

They'd have to cap the number of movies you could take. I'd have far less shame than the people they typically feature.

jmm, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

You'd have a tough time outdoing these clowns:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSdxbBsShak

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link

ugh i was just thinking about that, it looked like they took like 50 movies

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link

I mean, I'd grab exactly 53 myself ... and then a few more DVD-to-BR upgrades to boot.)

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link

Amoeba has a similar video series and I feel conflicted about watching them since I know that they're just trying to ease me into an acquisitive mindset.

jmm, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

Certainly putting the word "collection" in their brand didn't already serve the same purpose.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

One Sings is didactic but endearing enough to more than make up for its message movie tendencies

flappy bird, Saturday, 14 September 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link

the songs, oy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 September 2019 05:16 (four years ago) link

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 14 September 2019 06:37 (four years ago) link

Calling this film didactic is just lazy. I mean how many people knew or cared to know what this film talks about at the time it was made.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 September 2019 06:52 (four years ago) link

watching it again Vagabond still seems really moving

Dan S, Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link

Need to watch that again. Saw it when it first came up and was worried about how it was going to work but seems like many obvious pitfalls were avoided.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link

Calling this film didactic is just lazy. I mean how many people knew or cared to know what this film talks about at the time it was made.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, September 14, 2019 2:52 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like it a lot, but it's exactly what you said, a movie of its time

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 September 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link

don't think xyzzzz___ was saying it was a movie of its time though

Dan S, Thursday, 26 September 2019 04:02 (four years ago) link

what was revelatory in 1977 comes off as stiff, but OSATOD more than makes up for it

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 September 2019 04:42 (four years ago) link

The issues in that film are all around us so no it's not a film of its time.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 September 2019 07:00 (four years ago) link

I appreciate “The Gleaners and I” more seeing it again. I don’t find interviews and voice-over exposition in general all that interesting, but in this film they seem perfect

Dan S, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link

a natural subject matter for her, as a 'gleaner of gleaners'

“…and then there is my hand up close. I mean, this is my project: to film with one hand my other hand. To enter into the horror of it. I find it extraordinary. I feel as if I am an animal, worse, I am an animal I don’t know.

And here’s Rembrandt’s self-portrait, but it’s just the same in fact. Always a self-portrait.”

Dan S, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 01:50 (four years ago) link

Cinévardaphoto is a nice trio of short films

Dan S, Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:25 (four years ago) link

Beaches of Agnes is really great, it is both nostalgic and forward thinking and is so beautiful, it's one of my favorite films of hers

Dan S, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:59 (four years ago) link

I remembered a moment from beaches of agnes the other day, when she's on the boardwalk at the card sale, she finds a flyer for Documenteur and says "Oh! my favorite"

flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 04:49 (four years ago) link

she had such a generosity of spirit

Dan S, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 05:14 (four years ago) link

the reminiscences of her many lives in Beaches of Agnes reminds me of all of the Varda films I still haven't seen

Dan S, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link

saw JR’s The Chronicles of San Francisco and revisited some of Agnes Varda’s documentaries recently, then this week rewatched Faces Places and was even more taken with it than I was the first time. I like the quote above about her films forming a bond with the viewer that feels like friendship

Dan S, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:00 (four years ago) link

Varda tries to unmask JR’s identity, or at least get him to take off his sunglasses, even pressing his grandmother

Dan S, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:30 (four years ago) link

“prepared to sit right inside their own hearts”. I liked the whole exploration about how much of ourselves we are willing to give to another

Dan S, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Did she do any lesser feature than Lions Love? Ragni, Rado and Viva seem like the 3 most annoying bohos in '68 LA.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 February 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

Lions Love is fantastic.

― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Monday, January 23, 2017

'splain!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 February 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link

lol, I have no memory of the film now. Obviously it make a strong impression at the time though!

Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 10 February 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link

Don’t think I made it to the end of that one

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Hitchcock/Truffaut (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 February 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link

Did she do any lesser feature than /Lions Love/? Ragni, Rado and Viva seem like the 3 most annoying bohos in '68 LA.


Not sure but you are OTM about the leads in this. Should be so much more substantial given the luck of being in LA in June 68

flappy bird, Monday, 10 February 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link

It's SET then, over a mere week, but I'm sure they cheated some. There was a billboard for The Odd Couple visible in one car scene that read "2 Academy Award Nominations," which had to be shot in early '69.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 01:16 (four years ago) link

Ohhh gotcha

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link

Shirley Clarke otoh is magnetic, but she doesn't have enough scenes.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 02:01 (four years ago) link

yeah iirc we're stuck with those fucking hippies for most of it

Uniquely irritating in a way that ruins the movie for me, just like Stranger Than Paradise

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link

one month passes...
one month passes...

This August, we're celebrating the boundless creative vision of Agnès Varda with a comprehensive collection of her genre-blurring, culture-shaping films, bringing together all thirty-nine of her features, shorts, and documentaries for the first time! 🧡💜💗https://t.co/qYMbWfwmus pic.twitter.com/7nMiXmPdqs

— Criterion Collection (@Criterion) May 11, 2020

flappy bird, Monday, 11 May 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

omg

herds of unmasked cletuses (WmC), Monday, 11 May 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

And indeed, I now have that set, just arrived today. I look forward to exploring it in full steadily over time.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

I'm seeing some reviews that some (but not all?) of the older color films have been piss filtered.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

did she ever do another movie as dark and angry and formally cutting as Le Bonheur? not Vagabond, that's presented in a much less oblique way.

flappy bird, Thursday, 29 October 2020 07:31 (three years ago) link

No, I don't think so.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 October 2020 08:06 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

So, "Les Creatures". Michel Piccoli goes berserk and attacks some children and an old man with a dead cat; has a conversation with a rabbit about his wife's pregnancy (the rabbit answers him btw); plays a weird chess game, using holograms of the other characters in the film, with an evil scientist. Catherine Deneuve is in it but is mute for almost the entire film. Varda considered it a failure and I'm inclined to agree with her. Definitely worth watching though!

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link

Agreed. Nice showcase for FrancoScope, like watching a movie through a goddamn fishbowl.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 01:57 (three years ago) link

Piccoli later compared the character he played in Les Creatures to the character he played in Dillinger is Dead, only one of Marco Ferreri's multiple masterpieces.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 01:58 (three years ago) link

Did she do any lesser feature than Lions Love? Ragni, Rado and Viva seem like the 3 most annoying bohos in '68 LA.

The two guys are terrible but Viva is great, though I wish there'd been less of her doing her patented Warhol wack job routine and more bits like the straight-to-camera monologue she does at the end.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 22 January 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link

Never made it through that one

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 January 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link

I barely made it through the first 10 minutes tbh.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Friday, 22 January 2021 00:53 (three years ago) link

Viva is good, I like her more in Cisco Pike though (where she has some direct addresses as well, iirc)

flappy bird, Friday, 22 January 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link

And they're all so old! Viva was 30 and the two Hair guys were even older, Jim Rado was born in 1932! I couldn't see past the wig he had on too.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I must have said this elsewhere but I'm slowly filling (the vast) holes in my film knowledge and am largely being led by what I read on here. I've watched a couple of Vardas in the last week (Gleaners and Cléo From 5 To 7) and it has been like discovering a new author in some ways. This may just be coming to understand film grammar, but there's something very literary about her use of symbolism and the authorial frame.

Varda makes things seem so simple, almost as if there were barely an editing process at all; both films in their way, particularly Gleaners, feel like dérives. I know the answer is 'wherever the rapid passage through varied ambiences takes you,' but where does one go next?

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 6 November 2023 20:54 (five months ago) link

I searched for this image because *eyes on stalks*. Didn't even notice the angel wings at the time.

https://www.classicartfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Cleo-2.bmp

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 6 November 2023 20:54 (five months ago) link

I watched Le Bonheur last year, and I thought it was devastating... so pretty to look at, but such a dark outcome

Also: Vagabond holds up really well, such a good film

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 18:05 (five months ago) link


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