Is the West Experiencing a Right-Wing Drift?

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And if so, why?

Mordy, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:18 (five years ago) link

I don't think so. The United States has a president, who, for all that leftists dislike him, is probably the most left-wing President since the 1970s. In England, the Conservative majority will be smaller than the center-right Conservative-LD coalition that was in charge before, and my sense is that the massive swing from Scottish Labour to SNP is in no way a move to the right. In Canada, NDP just took over one of the most conservative provinces in the country, and Liberals are polling way better than they were back in 2011 when Harper won his current majority; I don't think people are projecting he'll keep that majority in the upcoming election. I don't know much about Australia or France.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:26 (five years ago) link

I don't think so either. Bibi's coalition not likely to last long, US drifting towards the left afaict. Europe's rightward drift seems largely driven by xenophobia (always with the petty regionalism/nationalism over there) which is sad to watch.

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:35 (five years ago) link

I don't think Canada is more right-wing that it was 10 or 20 years ago. It's just that the more left-leaning vote is split between two parties. Also the Liberals have had terrible leadership in the last decade or so.

The conservatives have been pretty good at keeping everyone together and keeping internal dissent to a minimum.

silverfish, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:37 (five years ago) link

based on comments in this thread obv the answer is "hell yes"

vote yay! for constitutional monarchy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:38 (five years ago) link

XP xenophobia of Scots towards the english, maybe

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:39 (five years ago) link

other answer is "because the further right we go the further right people think of as 'left wing'"

vote yay! for constitutional monarchy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:39 (five years ago) link

Renzi's performance in the Euro elections seemed significant. Huge victory for pro-austerity leader who was thought to be much more divisive. It's mostly fiscal conservatism on the rise in Europe. Despite the growth of the far right the mainstream tends to be more socially liberal I think.

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:41 (five years ago) link

dont forget Greece lol

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:43 (five years ago) link

I guess if you look at the actual governments in place, they are more right-wing, but that feels more like the left not getting their shit together rather than the actual people being more conservative. I don't know. We probably don't have the best systems for electing governments.

silverfish, Friday, 8 May 2015 17:43 (five years ago) link

XP xenophobia of Scots towards the english, maybe

You're making the assumption that people who vote SNP are nationalists... for a start.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:45 (five years ago) link

just playing with the yanks tom

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:46 (five years ago) link

Suspected as much, but I remember them having difficulty understanding the concept to left wing nationalists during the referendum, bless 'em.

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:48 (five years ago) link

concept of

Cram Session in Goniometry (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:48 (five years ago) link

theyre some craic hey

thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:51 (five years ago) link

The United States has a president, who, for all that leftists dislike him, is probably the most left-wing President since the 1970s

lol, picked that decade due to that anarchist Jimmy Carter? (who ruled out reparations to Vietnam because "the destruction was mutual")

the last liberal POTUS was a man named Lyndon Johnson.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 May 2015 17:53 (five years ago) link

both houses of congress and most of the state houses in the u.s. are controlled by a class of republicans who are probably the most right-wing major faction in america since the southern democrats of the antebellum era. i think the u.s. actually is drifting to the left in a lot of ways, but it's not always perceptible in our elections.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:01 (five years ago) link

it seems hard to dispute that obama's the most progressive president since johnson, his foreign policy's certainly better.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:03 (five years ago) link

yeah idk if electorates are drifting right as much as right-wing oligarchs are just tightening their reigns of power

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:04 (five years ago) link

xp

well that's a high raw body count to match even when you bomb 7 Muslim countries

and have prosecuted more whistleblowers than all the other presidents in history

and

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:06 (five years ago) link

"progressive" sure is a versatile word is all im sayin'

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:06 (five years ago) link

I don't think Canada is more right-wing that it was 10 or 20 years ago. It's just that the more left-leaning vote is split between two parties.

Why do people always say this? The NDP has been around since 1961; before it, the CCF was winning seats in federal elections since 1935. The Liberals still managed to thoroughly dominate Canada in the 20th century, even with a single 'united' PC or Conservative party until the 90s.

In terms of economic policy, I still think the Liberals of the 90s were at least as right-wing as any other post-war federal government. I actually feel like the mood is shifting left these days (which the AB election demonstrates).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:07 (five years ago) link

I specified "10 or 20 years" specifically because I didn't really follow politics before that. I think the fact that there were multiple right-wing parties in the 90s is a pretty significant reason as to why the Liberals were able to win elections with such large majorities back then.

Here in Quebec it definitely feels like we have shifted to the right. Every successive Liberal leader has been more right-wing than his predecessor.

silverfish, Friday, 8 May 2015 18:20 (five years ago) link

The West is definitely rightward leaning. The US left is more or less non-existent, beholden to the same corporate interests as the right. They dangle civil rights issues like gay marriage as a carrot to voters, because they know without those issues, nothing much separates their war-and-banks-driven governmental style from the right's. The hope that Obama will close gitmo is certainly worth more monetarily than him actually closing it down.

The question is: is this a recent development or a general tendency of US representative democracy? I suppose it began as representing mainly the interests of those who could legally vote (white male landowners/oligarchs), which you could say is a rightward position. Since then women have been granted the vote and minorities as well, but is their vote worth the same as the oligarchs that have always monopolized representation? No way in hell.

Perhaps in a way we have become more socially liberal, but the systems of control and oppression are working against that development in a way that greatly negates it. Corporate personhood imo continues to devalue "free speech" and the spits at the virtue of representative democracy.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:24 (five years ago) link

Going by Wiki numbers, the combined popular vote of the Reform and PC parties was still less than the Liberals' share of the popular vote in the 93 and 97 elections. The combined total of the Alliance's and PCs' share of the popular vote in 2000 was just under the Liberals' share and was well under the combined total of the Liberals and NDP. (I also doubt that all PC voters would have chosen the Alliance over the Liberals if they had to choose. Clark himself preferred the Liberals.) King's, St. Laurent's, Pearson's, and Pierre Trudeau's Liberals all managed to win elections (after elections) despite facing left-wing competition.

I get resentful about 'vote-splitting' arguments for a few reasons but especially because I feel that they are usually made by Liberals to unfairly marginalize/minimize/accuse any progressive alternative.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:41 (five years ago) link

The Liberals lost in 2006 because they were corrupt, arrogant, and entitled. They haven't managed to convince the voting public since then.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 8 May 2015 18:56 (five years ago) link

for the record, I agree with you re: vote-splitting. I don't want any kind of NDP/Liberals merger and will most likely vote NDP in the next election.

Still, I think it's difficult to argue that the Conservatives being the only viable party right of center doesn't benefit them enormously, allowing them to form majority governments despite not being able to get beyond 40% support.

The real problem is a lack of any kind of proportional representation.

silverfish, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:21 (five years ago) link

I don't have the nuanced take on what is left wing, probably a bit dated & old fashioned. Indiscriminately killing civilians with drones and police does throw up some red flags though

xelab, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:49 (five years ago) link

most nuanced take

xelab, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:51 (five years ago) link

It is all shifted right in the context of most other Western countries.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 May 2015 21:10 (five years ago) link

it seems hard to dispute that obama's the most progressive president since johnson

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the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 May 2015 21:50 (five years ago) link

i didn't think it'd be terribly controversial to say that obama was more progressive than carter or clinton. but yes i'm aware that the guy isn't bernie sanders.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 May 2015 23:44 (five years ago) link

you are also aware some people never get tired of criticizing him

the late great, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:03 (five years ago) link

I don't think the left's popularity is waning. It's just that their appeal is becoming more selective.

Inf (latebloomer), Saturday, 9 May 2015 20:08 (five years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/OGFBhT3.jpg

, Saturday, 9 May 2015 20:59 (five years ago) link

Here in Quebec it definitely feels like we have shifted to the right. Every successive Liberal leader has been more right-wing than his predecessor.

― silverfish, Friday, May 8, 2015 2:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not only that, but like in many places across the West, our de facto left wing party has slowly and steadily become right wing.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 9 May 2015 21:01 (five years ago) link

love the passive voice thread question

Vic Perry, Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:20 (five years ago) link

plz put the q in active voice for me

Mordy, Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:35 (five years ago) link

present progressive, not passive

bamcquern, Saturday, 9 May 2015 23:48 (five years ago) link

de facto left wing party

Had sort of a hollow lol when I realized that this probably refers to the PQ.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 10 May 2015 12:31 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

I'm not sure I understand what is meant by "shift in the percentage replying..." -- e.g. if 1000 respondents were surveyed from the United States in 1995 and 50 said "good or very good" then, does the chart mean that the number/1000 increased to 55 in 2014, or does it mean it increased to 150?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:03 (four years ago) link

i.e. are we talking percent change or percentage point change?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:04 (four years ago) link

the way i understand it, if in 1955 20% said army rule is good, and then in 2015 30% said so, there would be an increase of 10%? does that make sense?

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:18 (four years ago) link

btw i think the premise of this thread is true more than ever right now.

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:18 (four years ago) link

I don't think there's an overall rightward drift in the US. I do think there's a rightward drift on the right.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:23 (four years ago) link

xp that makes sense, as long as that's what vox means

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:23 (four years ago) link

btw i think the premise of this thread is true more than ever right now.

― Mordy

I dunno. hard to say. to play devil's advocate:

likelihood is the United States will elect a democrat next year for the third election in a row.

Canada just voted out the conservatives in an election where the conservatives purposefully used wedge issues and stoked islamophobia as a vote-winning tactic.

The ruling party the conservative PP in Spain failed to return a majority in the election on Sunday.

Karl Rove Knausgård (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:35 (four years ago) link

I do think there's a rightward drift on the right.

^^^this

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:46 (four years ago) link

otoh france has moved so far to the right that the socialists had to throw their support behind the republicans to keep the national front out of power

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 19:50 (four years ago) link

In a US context, the idea that people don't like "the sort of arrogance ... to think that we have all the answers and that if you deny our answers it must be because you've been lied to or brainwashed" and thus... vote for Donald Trump? is kind of absurd.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:33 (ten months ago) link

the spiraling of entire nations as families either runs all the way to universalism, or it stops at a point where the_other is found. Israel's an interesting case because in many cultures the Jews have been the_other (cf. David Nirenberg's _Anti-Judaism_).

juntos pedemos (Euler), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:33 (ten months ago) link

I agree, Mordy, that people bristle at that kind of arrogance, the condescension, the accusation of false consciousness, all of it. But they bristle at it SELECTIVELY. It's downstream from ideology. (Where ideology doesn't have to mean specifics of policy, it could just mean what kinds of people do you favor and what kinds do you disfavor.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:35 (ten months ago) link

Totes-not-eugenics by this cool and normal Magyar patriot:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51061499

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 19:17 (ten months ago) link

With an estimated birth rate of 1.48 per woman, Hungary is just one of many Eastern European countries facing demographic decline - due to both low birth rates and the emigration of working-age people to other EU nations.

Some of these countries have implemented their own policies to encourage birth rates to increase. Poland, for example, pays parents 500 zloty (£100) a month per child under its 500+ policy.


In France we get not bad cash each month just for having kids (we have three which is where the money gets more serious, but even one gets you paid). Is this unusual in Europe?

I think in vitro is covered by sécu also.

France has long has natalist policies though.

juntos pedemos (Euler), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:04 (ten months ago) link

child support is normal in european countries but the polish policy is particularly generous (in real terms, obviously a $100 isn't a lot). contrasts with other conservative governments which ostensibly are "pro-family" etc. but incentive having kids less

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:09 (ten months ago) link

incentivize

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:09 (ten months ago) link

(the average salary in poland is something like 700 pound a month)

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:10 (ten months ago) link

I mean we get close to 700 euros a month

juntos pedemos (Euler), Friday, 10 January 2020 21:10 (ten months ago) link

I should be getting paid not to have kids, but I'm already doing that

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:16 (ten months ago) link

Only if Attila the Hun's blood runs through your veins.

Fun fact: the 'H' in 'Hungary' was added to emphasize continuity with the Huns despite the tenuous historical connection.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:25 (ten months ago) link

*DOESN'T run through your veins

pomenitul, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:25 (ten months ago) link

"France has long has natalist policies though."

there is a lot of material on the early 20th c history of this in the Julian Jackson Vichy book, France: The Dark Years. Even before the bloodletting of WW1 there was lots of consternation about low birth rates and so on, and lots of incentives for women to go through childbirth more times than you'd fancy if you wanted to live long in that era, under various regimes between the third republic and the Vichy.

calzino, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:01 (ten months ago) link

I mean we get close to 700 euros a month

― juntos pedemos (Euler), Friday, January 10, 2020 1:10 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes but youre in france, a country which is much wealthier than poland and spends a lot more generally on social welfare

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:04 (ten months ago) link

If France was subject to UK levels of austerity i reckon there be some protests!

calzino, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:13 (ten months ago) link

As we all know, they protest over everything in France unlike use downtrodden forelock-tugging worms over here.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:15 (ten months ago) link

us not use

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:16 (ten months ago) link

in the UK they will probably pick some weekend when Ingerland are playing to sneak some bill through parliament - raising the retirement age to 97.

calzino, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:18 (ten months ago) link

They don’t even need to do that with the majority tbf, they could submit a bill soaked in piss and it’d go straight to the Lords.

xps to Euler re child benefit in Ireland though I think this has been reformed since my family was receiving it

It’s mean in the UK by comparison

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:34 (ten months ago) link

thanks gyac, Ireland's child benefit is in line with a number of other EU countries, below France and Germany, but well above Spain, Italy and Greece.

a few questions:

1) are child benefit policies, natalist policies?
2) are natalist policies in general right-wing?
3) are child benefit policies right-wing?

In usa discourse one hears critiques of anti-abortion right-wingers as maintaining that "life ends at birth". Is the implied left response to this critique that the right-wingers should support child benefit policies?

juntos pedemos (Euler), Saturday, 11 January 2020 12:17 (ten months ago) link

I don't know about anywhere else but child benefits were brought in the UK to stop children starving, they had plenty of children to go round in those days but not all of them were making it into adulthood in one piece. Needless to say, this idea did not originate on the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_benefits_in_the_United_Kingdom

Calls began for a specific family payment in the early part of the 20th century. These were successfully opposed by those who saw men, earning higher wages than women, as bread-winners, supporting the family through their wages - family allowance payments were seen as socialist and/or feminist in nature.[2] In addition, eugenicist arguments perceived the poor as unworthy of support.

Generally the right in the UK have been periodically exercised by children being born to the wrong sorts of people, not by not enough children being born. I'm unsure anyone even knows how to spell the word natalism in the UK, right or left.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 January 2020 13:09 (ten months ago) link

I think non-means tested, universal benefits for children are too socialist to be considered right wing, even with the implication of conservatism and natalism that could be implied by them. It's a complex question on paper I guess. But when right wing governments start stripping these things away and you get the return of mass child poverty, then you can't really consider it right wing. Unless you are living in some warfare state where they are mainly being "benignly" given sugar cubes and cuddles by the state to boost national military service numbers or something.

calzino, Saturday, 11 January 2020 13:37 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, it was under Trudeau that we started giving families $5600-$6600 a year per child, which has had a good impact in reducing child poverty. We increased immigration at the same time though; maybe the issue is that Hungary is trying to restrict immigration while doing this?

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 January 2020 14:47 (ten months ago) link

eight months pass...

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nashwan, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 09:40 (one month ago) link

The Greek police is attacking the people marching against the neo-nazis, entirely unprovoked from what I can see. They are not taking the verdict very well... https://t.co/AqbHjYkKCA

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nashwan, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 09:45 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

BBC News - France's Macron issues 'republican values' ultimatum to Muslim leaders.

• Children will be given an IDENTIFICATION NUMBER to help locate them.
• Imams must register.
• No political actions as Muslims.

Macron is going full Marine Le Penhttps://t.co/vJg21Xmkzy

— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) November 19, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 19 November 2020 22:51 (one week ago) link

Who could have predicted that happening?

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:03 (one week ago) link

Is this that laicitè I keep hearing about?

is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:04 (one week ago) link

Nothing says “no state religion, nbd” quite like chipping the children of a minority you’ve deemed subversive. He’ll still lose to the actual fascist, because if you’re voting along those lines people vote for the real deal every time.

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:17 (one week ago) link

(xp) I think we should leave that to its supporters on ILX to answer.

Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:18 (one week ago) link

Oh don’t worry, I’m sure there are some flatulent theories about Muslims wanting to take over France and therefore all this being fine and even desirable en route.

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:20 (one week ago) link

never forget that Vichy France was one and half parts occupation, two and a half parts fascist uprising. They delivered a lot more services to fascism than they ever needed to, from cops dragging children out of houses and delivering them straight to Auschwitz, to their Statute of Jews, which was the most deeply, restrictive anti-Semitic legislation than even in Nazi Germany or 30's Poland. France is one deeply fucked up country, always has been. Not meant in a nationalistic chauvinistic sense, I know the UK is just as fucked up .

calzino, Thursday, 19 November 2020 23:36 (one week ago) link

It's #Thanksgiving, I've got the day off and I've only got two things on my to do list:

Roast a turkey
Explain the FvD meltdown to all my non-Dutch followers.

Let's do this. #FVDsoap pic.twitter.com/X2Yb3F8PCY

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

This thread is too good not to share, and it's in English so you all can enjoy it. It's about the crumbling and complete implosion of Dutch far-right/alt-right/nazi party Forum voor Democratie, that's been happening the last couple of days. You simply love to see it. It's a long thread, but stick with it, you'll thank me later.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 26 November 2020 13:54 (two days ago) link

I gotta confess I couldn’t follow that at all, English or not

is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, 26 November 2020 17:27 (two days ago) link

I lost track of who's who in the zoo somewhere but basically it seems weird creepy Nazis can faction and split as hard as anyone else.

Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Thursday, 26 November 2020 17:51 (two days ago) link

That's what I got, too.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 26 November 2020 17:58 (two days ago) link

I gotta confess I couldn’t follow that at all, English or not

― is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, November 26, 2020 9:27 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, I think you do actually need to know dutch politics for this to be meaningful

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 26 November 2020 18:08 (two days ago) link

On the tragedy/farce tip, which of the Nazi/alt right splinters will become the new Strasserites?

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Thursday, 26 November 2020 18:47 (two days ago) link

Yeah I get it wasn't easy to follow, but between lying on a piano, sniffing lavender and saying "what is it you guys have against anti-semitism? most people I know are anti-semites!" well, that kind of gives you an idea of what we're dealing with here.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 26 November 2020 19:12 (two days ago) link

what did lavendar do to deserve any of this

fleet doxes (map), Thursday, 26 November 2020 19:56 (two days ago) link

i'm working through it. i have to admit i paused to consider this one at greater length!

Baudet installs a piano in his office at parliament. pic.twitter.com/8ralHulgmk

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 November 2020 22:33 (two days ago) link

Pictured: Right wing drift

That basically brings us to this very moment unless something happened while I was typing, which it probably did.

I leave you with this photo that Baudet posted on his Instagram. pic.twitter.com/yTsXIbNVUf

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2020 09:28 (yesterday) link

I'm grateful his right wing hasn't drifted any further

Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Friday, 27 November 2020 11:01 (yesterday) link

some people's wing drifts to the right. mine has always drifted a bit to the left

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 November 2020 20:03 (yesterday) link

it really depends on which side of the crotch you're accustomed to stuffing your wing down

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 November 2020 20:03 (yesterday) link

i'm talking about penises here

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 November 2020 20:04 (yesterday) link

ohhhhhhh

discourse stu (m bison), Friday, 27 November 2020 20:56 (yesterday) link

fvd tl;dr

forget the fascism, racism, nazism, anti-semitism, misogyny and homophobia, they were the party’s raison d’être and have been out there in the open from the very beginning; it was this song, picked by one his parliamentary hopefuls, that was the actual cause of this right-wing rift - it greatly upset the Lavendery Leader for not being classical enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH1RNk8954Q

(even though in the video, Ava is lying on top of what might, for all we know, be a piano)

Running up that hill but fleeting (a deal with Gop) (breastcrawl), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:09 (yesterday) link

they were are the party’s raison d’être

Running up that hill but fleeting (a deal with Gop) (breastcrawl), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:10 (yesterday) link

picked by one his parliamentary hopefuls for their ill-fated strategy meeting last Friday, I should have added.
the guy just now defended his choice of music on one of the talk shows here, he felt it was a very appropriate song for the occasion, bless his wannabe-kingly heart (not really)

Running up that hill but fleeting (a deal with Gop) (breastcrawl), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:33 (yesterday) link


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