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Let's just have one going forward for now I doubt we'll break ILX

, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:38 (two years ago) Permalink

dylannnnnn do you know this guy? I thought this was pretty good:



The books on magic speak of a certain species of miraculous grass, whose power is such that not even the most complex and difficult lock can withstand it. The words uncap my imagination. From deep within the mountains the harvesters come searching for it, bright blue-green, to close it tightly inside a wooden box and leave to dry for many days; then when it is dry and yellowed, it possesses unmatched arcane power. Grief has long held me captive in darkness and mystery, left me pacing up and down before my own door like a man banished from Paradise. Sometimes, I would rather be one of those children peddling matches—go out in the frigid night and scrape golden sparks from off the wall like opening a window, maybe catch a glimpse of happiness shimmering inside. Only now do I realize that the key I am searching for is really a blade of grass, extinct from common use and unknown to men.

Not a few magical rituals have already disappeared from practice. When I was a child, I often heard that in the nearby city, in a district filled with small-time salesmen and the broken poor lived an unemployed and solitary man, who spent all day walking in ragged clothes and flapping shoes up and down one narrow street, his left hand shuffling a couple of old bronze coins held in his right. He’d shuffle, shuffle and shuffle—and suddenly there would be another coin in there. That was how he earned the money to eat every day. “So how come he’s still so poor?” I would ask, usually to a barber or a shoemaker, who were all the fans of this strange man. “Money like that can’t be saved up. You have to use it as you get it.” But again, how come? Gradually I came to understand the principle: students of magic had to swear an oath to their masters that they would accept some kind of unpleasant handicap as the price of enlightenment—become blind, crippled, unable to have children. This explanation alarmed me and my fantasies, and inspired a fear of magical power, as well as a genuine sympathy for that remarkable poor friend of mine.

Yet it by no means diminished my attraction to magic, and I still listened intently when, beneath lamplight or by fireside, the wondrous legends were told. One of my ancestors over a hundred years ago was just such a legendary character, and knew much magic. I once went to sweep his tomb at Qingming*; I saw that the carving on the black stone steps and on the stele itself was rough and unaffected, not like the other tombs, and made me conscious of the difference of the times.

When I was that age, the magical ability I envied most was the freeze-frame—to instantly make a man believe that he stood on the sheer edge of a cliff or was surrounded on all sides by water, so that he didn’t dare move in the slightest. They said that my old ancestor frequently went out traveling, on foot and leaning on a cane; if he were accosted by some rude young man, he would cast this spell and leave him frozen stock-still by the roadside. Then he would continue on until he met someone ahead with whom he could leave the magic words to set the kid free. All the witches of the day respected him. On one occasion, he went to some family’s house to observe witches perform a ritual. But the idiots there (who perhaps didn’t recognize the famous old man) received him carelessly, so he found an opportunity to slip quietly out the door, and immediately two massive stones from the courtyard leapt into the house, bounded into the main hall and began accompanying the witches in their dance, frightening the party into sudden realization of who their erstwhile guest had been.

And yet, my ancestor never suffered from any sort of visible handicap. Though they say that when he got older, it became necessary to send him away on holidays when the family wanted to slaughter a pig; otherwise, if he heard the squeal of the doomed pig, and his heart but fluttered once, the animal was suddenly impossible to kill. Perhaps this made him weary of his magic. Yes, in his heart he must have undergone endless consideration, endured all kinds of hidden torment, and that was why he never passed on his magic but took it to his grave with him. Yet I was only a child then, and never considered any of that. I merely listened enraptured to the stories they told about him.

In addition to his store of secret knowledge, it was said, my ancestor was also an educated man. For a long time, he hosted in his house another old man of humbler origin who was writing an annotated version of The Book of Changes. The two often sat in the study, animatedly discussing and flipping through pages tangled with notes. On hot summer afternoons the family sent them in refreshments; they would take the food, dip it in a pot of ink and eat it, leaving the sugar untouched. Every time his family celebrated a marriage or the New Year, he would sling his books over his shoulder, pick up a cane and travel home. Yet, having arrived, he’d find a shady spot somewhere near the house and sit down to rest, then pull out a book and read until it got dark, at which point he could only put himself together and go all the way back again, then take a rickshaw home the next day. Eventually, his annotated Book of Changes made it into print, and his great-great-grandson, who formally presented the book to the Imperial Court and who knew how to divine with tortoise shells, was my childhood mentor.

I saw that book once amid the disordered pile of other books in my trunk (it may have fallen apart by now) but never paid much attention to it. At the time I was looking for a book on magic; then adrift in tide of war, as adults were agonizing day and night over how to avoid disaster, I dove unhindered into fairy tales and novels, finding there a space for my imagination. I was most enchanted by a kind of invisibility grass spoken of in one of the stories; merely tie one blade of it to your body and no one could see you.

Just now, beneath the lamplight, I have written a title on a piece of white paper: The Origins of Magic. I want to use a pessimistic perspective to explain that the nascence of magic was an entirely natural occurrence, like the arrival of dreams at night. The true Sage, having lost the Self, should be dreamless; and while that state of being is certainly a pure one, we everyday people are still repelled by its emptiness. My pen suddenly halts in its course over the page. Eh, there you go daydreaming again. And to what distant land has your mind flown off to this time? Nowhere, I answer myself, my mind has stayed right here, beneath the cone of this light. Lamplight, like white fog, compasses its boundary all around me, as a tomb does its guest. I throw down my pen. It’s at a time like this I’d really like to have a little White Lotus sorcery—a covered basin of clear water, a small canoe of woven grass, and I’ll venture out on my own private ocean.

*The traditional Chinese holiday “Clear and Bright,” known to us as the Tomb-Sweeping Festival, held in early April.

, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Chai Jing's Under the Dome: Investigating China’s Smog, banned after 200 million views.


Sanpaku, Friday, 13 March 2015 16:19 (two years ago) Permalink


, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:44 (two years ago) Permalink

where's that?

...the number of criminal trials held in Xinjiang rose more than 40 percent to more than 29,500 last year compared to the number of criminal trials in 2013.

The number of trials for obstructing social administrative order doubled to more than 4,500 in 2014, the report said, noting that authorities use this category to target unauthorized Islamic and Christian groups. It also covers the distribution of religious materials as well as assemblies and demonstrations.


dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 18:24 (two years ago) Permalink

Xinjiang, photographed by Carolyn Drake - check out entries under 'Wild Pigeon' http://carolyndrake.com/

, Friday, 13 March 2015 18:48 (two years ago) Permalink

Why don't American students who want to get a job in China just go there and get a job washing dishes at Pizza Hut or Outback Steakhouse and live 8 to a room w/o papers?

― 龜, Friday, March 13, 2015 12:04 PM (8 hours ago)

i think the maybe equivalent of that is teaching english in an unlicensed school in a third tier city. plenty are still up for doing that.

i would say there are lots of lucrative jobs in china but not many of them require chinese lang proficiency or they require actual chinese lang proficiency + serious literacy + understanding of the country, but not much in the middle.

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:39 (two years ago) Permalink


dalai lama says he might not reincarnate

Zhu Weiqun, a Communist Party official who has long dealt with Tibetan issues, told reporters in Beijing on Wednesday that the Dalai Lama had, essentially, no say over whether he was reincarnated. That was ultimately for the Chinese government to decide, he said, according to a transcript of his comments on the website of People’s Daily, the party’s main newspaper.

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:43 (two years ago) Permalink

how many europeans or north americans without chinese ancestry get to that level of proficiency

pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Friday, 13 March 2015 20:45 (two years ago) Permalink

people learning languages without spending enough time to get anywhere is one of the most delusory practices

pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Friday, 13 March 2015 20:47 (two years ago) Permalink

I think learning languages is fine if it's a hobby, can be fun, but agree if it's for vocational purposes

, Friday, 13 March 2015 20:55 (two years ago) Permalink

i think europeans or north americans without chinese ancestry that get to that level are rare and most are dedicated hobbyists or in academia. but there are lots of people that speak the language well and can't claim anything close to near native literacy and lots in academia with great literacy that speak the language competently but not fluently. it requires i think time in country or longterm immersion combined with longterm, serious study.

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Something I've noticed/struggled a bit with is also most high level instruction teaches you very standard PTH

Which is great if all you hang around with are highly literate and educated CCP types or academics

And also great if you're in business, probably

But it's also very hard to learn the local dialect and there aren't many resources to turn to other than find a local dude and hang out w/ dude n buddies

This is true even in Beijing, home of "PTH"

, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

i guess i kind of agree but at the same time teaching dialects or even listening to nonstandard accents is pretty much impossible and native speakers i think are even worse at it than non sinophone learners (they're more used to guessing at phrases from context, less tuned to tonal quirks that throw off native speakers). but it is kind of surprising that even for languages like wu or cantonese with hundreds of millions of speakers and their own distinct culture and literature the learning resources are few.

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:29 (two years ago) Permalink

but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhou_Television_Cantonese_controversy type of stuff so it's not really surprising

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:30 (two years ago) Permalink

now that i'm kind of attempting to learn japanese i get discouraged by flashbacks to sitting at my desk writing characters over and over again, the shame of seemingly not being able to competently ask for the right type of zhongnanhai even after studying the language in university, years of trying to feel my way through conversations that i understood ten percent of, prepping for classes with remarks that i hoped would seem improvised and trying to predict possible professor questions while also trying to figure out a photocopied never translated into english story about an aristocratic family in late ming china written in a combination of vernacular and classical chinese. so, flipping through introduction to hiragana and a book of simple greetings, i know that even mastering those things will take too long and my mastery will be unsatisfying and i will look and feel like an idiot over and over again, even if i work at it for years. but when i get that six figure salary working for toyota it will have been worth it. #futureintlangofbusiness

dylannn, Friday, 13 March 2015 21:32 (two years ago) Permalink



Photo shows a female SWAT member in Sichuan ripping apart a steel wash basin barehanded. Four hours physical training every day turns an ordinary woman into an invincible soldier. (Photo/CCTV)

, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:28 (two years ago) Permalink


pom /via/ chi (nakhchivan), Friday, 13 March 2015 22:31 (two years ago) Permalink

Example of the strength of Chinese soldiers, or of the poor quality of Chinese manufacturing

, Friday, 13 March 2015 22:36 (two years ago) Permalink

Idk if anybody else still watches 非诚勿扰 but lately they've had an 'anonymous' woman on who only appears in Avatar makeup?


, Sunday, 15 March 2015 17:38 (two years ago) Permalink


dylannn, Monday, 23 March 2015 07:45 (two years ago) Permalink


weibo user returns to hometown of handan, hebei. "reports most funerals in the area feature strippers to 'liven things up.' spectators don't know whether to laugh or cry. as soon as the funeral dirge concludes, the strippers hit the stage."

dylannn, Monday, 23 March 2015 09:32 (two years ago) Permalink


Kinda cliche'd by this point but I still love it


, Thursday, 26 March 2015 12:39 (two years ago) Permalink


Who wants to go with me

, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:04 (two years ago) Permalink

always appreciate your links, thanks

sleeve, Saturday, 4 April 2015 15:24 (two years ago) Permalink

can confirm even without having visited toxic lakes that baotou is one of the worst places on earth

dylannn, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 08:09 (two years ago) Permalink


i keep feeling like i'm missing something with the detention of these women... they were going to be "distributing stickers and leaflets protesting molestation in buses and subways"? on international womens day? i'm more proparty than the average chinawatcher and i can usually see the fucked up logic they operate on but i really must be missing something here. hillary clinton otm.

dylannn, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 08:13 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...


Despite perceptions of China’s allegedly influence over Pyongyang, China operates in a generally unstable climate in which North Korea’s response to overtures such as building roads to connect it to Chinese-financed cross-border activities, indicating intention to restart Six-Party Talks, or toning down relations with South Korea, is tentative and unconvincing. China, therefore, appears to be treading on relatively thin ice.


While China has made certain moves in the past year and a half to “normalize” the relationship with North Korea (meaning to deal with North Korea under the auspices of the Foreign Ministry rather than ILD), the appointment of another ILD bureaucrat to staff the Embassy in Pyongyang could indicate that Beijing is not yet prepared to move things too quickly in that direction.

dylannn, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:04 (two years ago) Permalink

Who wants to go with me

― 龜, Saturday, April 4, 2015 7:04 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm in

gbx, Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Nice it is a noize trip

, Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:37 (two years ago) Permalink

how do you get to there

gbx, Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Start digging s tunnel

, Thursday, 30 April 2015 01:48 (two years ago) Permalink


dylannn, Thursday, 30 April 2015 02:09 (two years ago) Permalink

pls somebody email that to noah feldman

een, Thursday, 30 April 2015 21:48 (two years ago) Permalink

is ed hardy a thing in china

LMAO. GOLD Chrisso. regards, REB (nakhchivan), Saturday, 2 May 2015 19:32 (two years ago) Permalink

No idea

, Saturday, 2 May 2015 19:34 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...


da nubian gangsters (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 12:50 (two years ago) Permalink

potpourri, snack, or both?

head clowning instructor (art), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 12:57 (two years ago) Permalink

Chinese flower/herbal tea is the best fuiud

, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 13:17 (two years ago) Permalink

I hadn't heard of the term "nail house" before encountering it in this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32900601

Google image search of "nail house" turns up some pretty incredible photos.

o. nate, Saturday, 30 May 2015 01:16 (two years ago) Permalink


Macau casino revenue down 37%, leading to 24% YOY decline in regional revenue. It's being linked to a crackdown on corruption on the mainland.

Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Monday, 1 June 2015 09:52 (two years ago) Permalink


, Monday, 1 June 2015 11:22 (two years ago) Permalink

More Korea than China, but there's a bit of MERS going around:

etc, Monday, 1 June 2015 15:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Twenty five years in Chinese jazz: http://theanthill.org/jazz

F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 4 December 2015 19:13 (two years ago) Permalink


, Monday, 7 December 2015 14:09 (two years ago) Permalink

This smog alert, closing Beijing schools and businesses, is pretty major, no?


my harp and me (Eazy), Monday, 7 December 2015 16:01 (two years ago) Permalink

dont' think the smog is the worst that beijing has ever seen but mayeb the response is the first time they've done something like this?

, Monday, 7 December 2015 16:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Kind of a crazy story, although I think the idea that this is some kind of commentary on the "national character" is the wrong way to look at it:


o. nate, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 01:47 (two years ago) Permalink

good read

, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:00 (two years ago) Permalink

twitter is all: pu zhiqiang trial w smiley face hired thugs slapping reporters / "worse than the cultural revolution" repression of uighur communities / choking air pollution / and a good amount of fake island/territorial dispute stuff.
leaving tomorrow to go job hunting in gz.

dylannn, Friday, 18 December 2015 07:07 (two years ago) Permalink

Pu Zhiqiang trial is bleak AF, as is Uighur situation. Friend's article on her travels in Xinjiang made it into the best NZ essays 2015 book.

G'luck with the job hunt. If you're at a loose end tomorrow evening, I'm v.vaguely doing a thing w/some local music friends at Loft345:

etc, Friday, 18 December 2015 07:31 (two years ago) Permalink

thank you! looking forward to getting back to guangzhou. are you there for the next little while?

dylannn, Friday, 18 December 2015 07:43 (two years ago) Permalink

i should be permanently relocating in mid to late-january. my girlfriend is going to be studying at south china normal university.

dylannn, Friday, 18 December 2015 07:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Leaving on the 27th, sadly. Finish up at 广外 on Christmas day ... would have liked a month to travel/kick back, but my partner's been having a rough time in NZ and wanted me back ASAP after a year away.

SCNU, sweet! As much as I've loved being up by the leafy green vistas of Baiyun shan, 25min walk to the closest metro through random caryard alleys then 20-stop journeys has meant I haven't always gotten out as much as I meant.

etc, Friday, 18 December 2015 07:58 (two years ago) Permalink

NK orders workers in China back home http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk01500&num=13647

dylannn, Saturday, 19 December 2015 08:37 (two years ago) Permalink


The source said that Chinese censors had not approved of references to the United States an “ambitious wolf”, and lyrics which glorified the 1950-53 Korean War.

dylannn, Saturday, 19 December 2015 08:39 (two years ago) Permalink

(but it was a chinese korean war song) https://adamcathcart.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/japanese-devils-and-american-wolves.pdf

dylannn, Saturday, 19 December 2015 08:44 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-35144579 industrial explosions, accidents/craziness in shenzhen

dylannn, Monday, 21 December 2015 08:54 (two years ago) Permalink


curious if the uighur problem is much worse than even the western media has portrayed it but china has done a good job keeping a lid on it. (i wonder the same thing about iran's often restive ethnic minorities.)

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 18:45 (two years ago) Permalink

i would say it's not MUCH worse because it's been portrayed as a decades long campaign of ethnic cleansing. the western media probably hasn't come close to describing the full extent of the violence and oppression of non-han ethnic groups in xinjiang, just the day to day disruption of normal life, the number of people in detention, travel bans, whatever. most of it is happening in rural southern xinjiang, far away from the prying eyes of foreign journalists, or any journalists. maybe the western media focuses too much on the easiest issues to report, which are those connected to the anti-terror strike hard campaign.

dylannn, Friday, 25 December 2015 08:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Also, the west has a tendency to think that it's only bad for the Tibetans, so it can't be that bad for anyone else. Otherwise, why would Beastie Boys not say so?

Frederik B, Friday, 25 December 2015 10:58 (two years ago) Permalink

i guess with the tibetan situation you do have a relatively chilled out leader-in-exile, no terrorism as we think of it in the west, some violent riots and self-immolations confined to tibet itself. and it might be fair to say that tibetan leaders are often not calling for national liberation but human rights, religious freedoms.

but with the uighur situation, you have terrorism inside xinjiang and attacks outside of xinjiang. it's hard to separate the various forces at play, the various overseas uighur groups, the groups inside xinjiang agitating for national liberation, radical islamist groups, local groups not connected to any particular ideology but motivated by local oppression. you have the world uyghur congress being funded by the u.s. government, but east turkestan islamic movement sending fighters to syria, and both groups with basically the same aim of national liberation. it's hard to sort out who deserves our sympathy. it's not possible to put it all on chinese state oppression and economic disparity in the region, as some western journalists are quick to do. it's a great big mess.

dylannn, Sunday, 27 December 2015 05:19 (two years ago) Permalink

I think it mostly has to do with western hippies thinking of Tibet as Xanadu, and Buddhism being much more chic than Islam.

Frederik B, Sunday, 27 December 2015 15:31 (two years ago) Permalink

the story of bookstore / publishing company employees disappearing is frightening.

the latest, went missing from hong kong, called his wife from a shenzhen number: http://www.theguardian.com/global/2016/jan/02/fifth-man-working-for-publishers-critical-of-chinese-government-goes-missing and the others include a hong kong-based swedish national, the owner of a publishing house, who went missing while in thailand + two that disappeared while in shenzhen + one in hk (i believe that's the total in 2015).

dylannn, Monday, 4 January 2016 07:18 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1507002/shenzhen-court-gives-hong-kong-publisher-yiu-man-tin-10-year-prison more than a year ago... yao wentian was going to publish a book critical of xi jinping and got 10 years in prison for carrying paint across the border.

dylannn, Monday, 4 January 2016 07:25 (two years ago) Permalink

from what i've seen these books are ridiculous gossip rag material, churned out by the dozen every year, full of basic factual errors. they're of interest to older people that aren't accessing twitter by vpn or reading taiwan or overseas news sites. these people, i have to guess, basically support the party line but like reading about xi jinping fucking random folk singers in the 70s.

dylannn, Monday, 4 January 2016 07:31 (two years ago) Permalink

these people, i have to guess, basically support the party line

Interesting. The whole thing seems kind of scary to me. So you're saying they're down with the party based on your reading the books, or...?

It's kind of odd to me that XI would take gossip so seriously. I have to wonder, from a perspective of game theory or whatever, which is actually the more effective way to quash dissent -- by Xi/Putin-style takedowns of critical journalists, or by GWB/Blair-style wall of bullshit to cover the dissent?

viborg, Thursday, 7 January 2016 09:46 (two years ago) Permalink

this is anecdotal or mostly conjecture, i guess but the people buying the books are
-- from the mainland
-- born before the start of reform and opening
-- follow party politics to some extent
very likely to agree with the overall aims of the party and be shy to criticize the people that ended the hundred years of humiliation, etc.

these books are mostly run of the mill gossip rather than critiques of the system, say, one of the more common counter-party viewpoints in china, whether far left or mild liberal or the fliers you get in long distance bus terminal lots from fringe religious groups. the readers of these books are not interested in overthrowing the party as much as they're interested in reading about, like, jiang zemin's mistresses. (from what i've seen!) like, the books are not criticizing xi's foreign policy or heavyhanded censorship of the internet but basically saying: he's a sleaze and the party's leadership especially at the local level is a bunch of whoring, boozing scumbags with a taste for quattroportes, 19 year old ktv girls and louis xiii.

dylannn, Thursday, 7 January 2016 11:12 (two years ago) Permalink

i mean, everybody knows the party's leadership is a bunch of thugs and perverts. but they still support them! the party is extremely sensitive about their secrets. more than any other story, reporting on party leader finances received the most backlash directly from the top: bloomberg/nytimes were slapped with a great firewall block and had visas for reporters blocked (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/world/asia/reporter-for-reuters-wont-receive-china-visa.html / http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/world/asia/times-reporter-in-china-is-forced-to-leave-over-visa-issue.html and For journalists working in China, there is no more sensitive subject than the wealth of the top leadership; it poses more potential problems than anything one could write about Tibet or Taiwan or human rights.: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-not-to-get-kicked-out-of-china).

dylannn, Thursday, 7 January 2016 11:21 (two years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I'd heard that about the sensitivity to those issues and I guess it makes sense that most of the top party members are most concerned about protecting their own little fiefdoms. I don't want to sound like a China-hatin expat but it does seem like people here have a remarkable propensity for denial regarding the deeper issues in Chinese government etc.

viborg, Thursday, 7 January 2016 17:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Meters/bonwe shares have been suspended from trading after the CEO (China's 65th richest billionaire) disappeared. There's speculation that he might have been picked up in a corruption investigation but it's strange to see rich / influential people just plucked out of the air without explanation. Seems part of a wider trend though:


On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 8 January 2016 08:38 (two years ago) Permalink

china is fucked up.

dylannn, Saturday, 9 January 2016 09:52 (two years ago) Permalink

they even tore down that gold mao statue in henan.

dylannn, Saturday, 9 January 2016 09:52 (two years ago) Permalink

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-35338484 --- Gui Minhai said he turned himself in after being on the run for 12 years over a drink-driving conviction. Mr Gui, a Swedish national, is one of five Hong Kong booksellers to go missing recently. --- glad this was resolved.

dylannn, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:46 (two years ago) Permalink

one of the remaining four has contacted his wife, who requested the police cease involvement. the other three, who knows?

dylannn, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:47 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Interesting article about Chinese foreign students in the US converting to Christianity:


o. nate, Saturday, 13 February 2016 02:10 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
two months pass...

I guess this will come as a surprise to nobody, but an interesting tale nonetheless:

Hong Kong Bookseller Says He Was Detained by China

o. nate, Friday, 17 June 2016 00:17 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I asked Chou En-lai what he thought of the French Revolution. "Too soon to tell," he said.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 17:29 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...


i n f i n i t y (∞), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

what is it with chinese govt visions and shithouse videos

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 25 May 2017 02:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

attempt :failed

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 15:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's informative!

dylannn, Thursday, 25 May 2017 16:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'm waiting for the han sanping-directed epic featuring huang xiaoming as li keqiang.

dylannn, Thursday, 25 May 2017 16:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

I wish they'd cover "want you back" but tie it into wanting the silk road back

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:37 (eight months ago) Permalink


Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

this is crazy if true

11 million+ Muslims in China will have their DNA & iris scans collected. If you’re a Muslim who lives outside of this region, you will need to report to the govt & provide your DNA. https://t.co/9xqhIR1c7p

— Yasmin Yonis (@YasminYonis) December 13, 2017

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:37 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm reading from people who follow chinese politics that this has been going on for a very long time so interested to see how this plays out now that they're finally admitting to it


In Liaoning Province tax receipts and income from various fees were padded by 20-30% according to counties and cities during the period of 2011-2014. Inner Mongolia has said that a quarter of the fiscal revenue stated for 2016 were actually fake.

Fiscal revenue does not include proceedings from land sales. Therefore, it is considered a key indicator of the local government's true financial health.

"Chinese bureaucrats were promoted based on two figures -- GDP and tax revenue," according to Nie Huihua, a professor at Renmin University of China. Making fiscal revenue look better than they actually are, have always were important for aspiring bureaucrats looking to move up the ladder.

Recently, there has been a spike in similar cases. In December 2017 the National Audit Office announced that 10 cities and districts in Hunan, Yunnan and Jilin provinces and the direct-controlled city of Chongqing had overstated their fiscal revenues by a total of 1.5 billion yuan ($238 million).


Overall local government revenue growth slowed sharply to 5% in 2017 from 29% in 2011. Meanwhile, local government spending has continued growing at fast paces due to swelling social security spending.

The growth rates of regional government outlays surpassed those of revenue growth for the three straight years through 2017. Most local governments are struggling with serious fiscal strains.

In its desperate efforts to make up for revenue shortfalls, Liaoning went so far as to take such measures as collecting taxes for the following year and delaying tax refunds due to special tax breaks.

Local governments have piled on debt to fill budget gaps. Total local government debt reached 15 trillion yuan at the end of 2016, according to official statistics. But the International Monetary Fund has estimated the actual amount including off-the-book debts at 32 trillion yuan.

Most local governments cannot finance their spending without cash from Beijing. In many provinces, state subsidies provided to local governments exceed the taxes and fees they pay to the central government.


So much so that many internet commentators offered the same advice: "Admit inflating fiscal revenue and receive more subsidies from the central government."

papa poutine (∞), Monday, 12 February 2018 17:18 (one week ago) Permalink

it was admitted in 2015 too, faking data over the previous two years. i'll respond out of a sense of obligation to the thread.

i guess it's probably about taking more in conditional grants from the central government. also a response to a central government crackdown on inflated data and local governments going into debt. from my limited knowledge of the chinese taxation system, there are not really subsidies but some grants to equalize the provinces and shit. basically the provinces collect tax revenue and send it up and get it back in a system of transfer payments, like provincial governments collect most of the tax revenue (but can't really make tax policy or keep much of it, which is why there's a drive to develop or grab land because they make money doing that, one of the nontax revenues provincial governments bring in), send it to the central government and it's sent back down based on the central budget + revenue brought in by the province + cash to keep up with equality between the provinces. i dunno. there's definitely a pressure i think to send smooth lines up to the central government, because the promotion of local government leaders is tied to performance (see also falsified crime statistics?). maybe they want to make sure they take more conditional grants from the central government, too.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 11:04 (one week ago) Permalink

ya, the more i read about china's falsified and doctored numbers, the more it seems widespread -- from the agricultural period during mao to police reporting to pollution (apparently the're just moving factories around?)

it's kind of surreal

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:05 (one week ago) Permalink

also this is an article from 2016 but pocket just recommended it right now:



papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:09 (one week ago) Permalink

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