Radar Love: DAREDEVIL show on NETFLIX

latest trailer's out for the new daredevil show on netflix, due on april 10, the first of marvel's netflix-exclusive shows which will lead to a defenders team-up show a ways down the line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAy6NJ_D5vU

it looks way more grim-n-gritty than any marvel studios project so far, but i guess it's appropriate for the character, and the casting seems solid. i really hope that black costume doesn't hang around for long, though - maybe they're holding back the classic red suit as a surprise for a few episodes in?

I rolled my eyes a lot at "You're blind, but you see SO MUCH."

J. Geils Band 'live' dvd 1979...sweat, hair, leather and sunglasses. Get it!

So is the fate of the whole world at stake here, or just New York? Because that trailer feels like the whole world might be at stake.

It's Marvel so, y'know, same thing.

They should have a superhero show set in like Omaha.

Great Lakes Avengers

grim & gritty just looks boring to me now. i blame frank miller.

they always leave the gritty part out...

I don't think it's Frank Miller's fault, it's just the default setting of Hollywood action stuff i.e., grim and "serious" or buddy comedy. there are no other options.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/eat-drink-play/files/2014/07/Hells-Kitchen.jpg

i wouldn't mind those hell's kitchen COLORS in a superhero thing.

I think the black costume is taken from the Miller/Romita Jr. retelling of DD's origin, where it's his first, home-made outfit? And IIRC the comic ends with him donning the classic red costume, so hopefully the black one well be only temporary in the series too.

man d'onofrio and glenn are so well cast. like glenn especially feels just inevitable. couldn't be happier they were able to get him.

casting does look good; the guy playing foggy, elden henson, more or less nails the visual for me.
http://www.hggirlonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/54f0cf4ed397e.jpg

Totally!

the season's up on netflix now. will it be good?

miller nerd at NYT sez: meh
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/arts/television/review-in-daredevil-a-superhero-is-sightless-but-not-blind-to-crime.html

he's seen less than half of the season, i think, so it might get worse!

tbh I have higher hopes for the Heroes for Hire series or whatever it's called

why because Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Jessica Jones

in the background, Murdock’s hulking alter ego, Wilson Fisk (Vincent D’Onofrio), also a son of the neighborhood.

uh don't they mean nemesis or something

His gist seems to be that this doesn't hold up as a filmed adaptation of Miller's Daredevil. I also find that I'm generally disappointed when things fail to be what I want them to be but which no one ever claimed they were supposed to be.

uh don't they mean nemesis or something

maybe they've veered more wildly from the miller template than they're letting on

does anyone actually proofread anything at all?

tbh I have higher hopes for the Heroes for Hire series or whatever it's called

why because Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Jessica Jones

i think mike colter will make a great luke cage for sure

i think he means kingpin also is a local new york kid.

Sepinwall liked the first 5 eps

That review from the NYT actually made me more interested:

It’s just that too much of the story feels indistinct, like disconnected chunks of a much-better-than-average cop show. I found myself waiting for the fight scenes

The result, while eminently watchable, isn’t the Daredevil some of us remember.

Not really looking for a Frank Miller-esque blood-fest out of this, so I'm looking forward to watching...

all i want from this show is a long mid-season run of episodes revolving around mike murdock and the mystery of why he and matt are never in the same room together

Yes. All Mike Murdock and Leap-Frog, please.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2015/04/daredevil_on_netflix_the_best_superhero_tv_series_i_ve_ever_seen.html

The creators made a big deal in an earlier interview about how slow they want to take the pace of the show.

“When you’re working on a network show, especially a pilot, the notes you get are, basically, ‘Cram the entire first season into that first episode, so everybody knows what they’re going to get,’ ” he said. On Netflix, Mr. DeKnight said: “It really is the exact opposite. It’s more, ‘Slow things down, let it breathe, explore it.’ ”

The Netflix model also means that subsequent episodes don’t have to spend time recapitulating what happened in previous installments. “We had a brief discussion about it,” he said, “and decided: ‘Eh, why does that matter? People are going to binge-watch this.’ ”

Mr. DeKnight said that the first season of “Daredevil” was as much a chronicle of Matt Murdock’s first adventures as a story about Wilson Fisk (played by Vincent D’Onofrio), a fearsome crime boss better known to readers of the comics as the Kingpin. Other prominent characters from the Daredevil comics, like the ninja assassin Elektra or the mercenary Bullseye, could appear “sometime in the far-flung future — I’m not saying it’s Season 2, or 3 or 4 or even 5,” he said.

how fat is D'onofrio now

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/70702/Captain_America_Civil_War_70702.jpg

From the Times review: "During my comic book days, Daredevil, featuring the blind vigilante crime fighter Matt Murdock — situated somewhere between Spider-Man and Batman on the superhero spectrum — was the book I waited for each week."

I call shenanigans! Comic books are monthly, Mike Hale. I bet you never even bought one!

just watched the first episode - it was pretty good. it's clearly a bit different from the other marvel adaptations so far, especially in the pacing. they really don't do a huge amount to foreground matt's powers or outright explain what he's capable of, or at least less than you might expect.

first impressions:

- the fight scenes aren't edited to shreds - i could actually follow what's going on, which is great since the daredevil's physical grace is one of the things i appreciate most about miller and janson's artwork (as well as many of their successors)
- the creators of the comic book are credited as 'stan lee and bill everett', which was a pleasant surprise
- the guy playing foggy is nailing it. deborah ann woll as karen page seems pretty much perfect too.
- not entirely convinced by charlie cox, though - he doesn't even have red hair ffs!
- also, hell's kitchen actually looks like a pretty liveable neighbourhood from the few scenes outside - it's not exactly the godforsaken, blasted hellscape i'd expect from the comics. blame giuliani i guess?
- it's hella teal and orange in places

tbf to mike hale, he doesn't say he bought the comic each week, just that he waited for it. maybe he wasn't the brightest kid and was disappointed three-quarters of the time.

Lol

He must have been disappointed a lot - in its early years Daredevil was a bimonthly book.

just watched ep1:
so much teal
so much orange
so great

like man i wish powers was like even a quarter this solid

Well they're not skimping on the violence

Jesus

3 episodes in, pretty good so far. Points added for the Oldboy style 1-take fight in #2, a good bit of fun. Points subtracted for the ridiculous method of the death at the end of #3. The title sequence looks great with the dripping red, but I hate the theme music. (All the MCU music seems a bit generic/crap to me, films and tv shows.)

I really like this, they seem to even have captured some of Wilson Fisk's multifaceted nature.

Enjoyed ep 1, will watch more. I like the non-corniness of his costume.

I'm down to the third episode, this is pretty good so far, but I'm not sure why it has to have such graphic violence? The episode 3 end kill was pointlessly gory and indulgent, I'm pretty sure people aren't coming to watch a Marvel superhero series to get their gorn kicks. Don't get me wrong, I like that the action is fairly credible and street-level (no crazy kung-fu moves nor acrobatics), but enough is enough.

I'm liking the actors a lot in this one, everyone pretty much nails their part... Except for Vincent D'Onofrio, who is otherwise okay, but I don't get it why he has speak in a corny bad-guy whispery voice? It's incredibly obvious it's not he's real voice, which makes it look like the Kingpin is trying to impress everyone by how evil he sounds.

They seem to be hinting at a romance between Matt and Claire instead of the canonical Matt/Karen pairing? I think it would be a refreshing change, because otherwise this is pretty much following the basic plot beats of the Miller DD comics.

Got to ep 6 and really enjoying this, although I'm a bit concerned Fisk's motivation (as we see during his first date with Vanessa) is an Alex In NYC-esque protest at the gentrification of the city. Looking forward to seeing where it goes, as it's just escalated big style. Having trouble working out exactly which DD era we're supposed to be watching. The state of Manhattan makes it look like Miller-era because OH THE DEPRAVATION but as Tuomas says, Karen seems to be set up to be with Foggy.

Worst violence so far was Fisk and the Russian, even I found that a bit much and I've got a pretty high tolerance for that sort of thing.

I really like the way d'Onofrio is playing Fisk. Confident (but not entirely stonefaced) in business dealings, but very short on social skills and more of a nervous mess when trying to talk to Vanessa.

i have a huge crush in Charlie Cox, really digging this. Gritty but no too much, slow but more methodical, and yaaay characters arent vomiting exposition the way they do in some of these shows
fight scenes are a+

Just started the episode titled "Stick!"

tbh I was really hoping he would show up. Hard to beat a wise mentor whose training regime involves hitting you with... a stick.

Is this "sacred dirt" something that's actually mentioned, or just MH's theory? Because I don't remember any mention of the giant hole being refilled with anything? And the freight train was used to take away the earth from the dig site without causing suspicion, not to bring in new earth.

yes, that was what I got as well. 'don't know' is the answer. the idea that on a balance sheet 'inexplicable dirt taken out of big hole' would be encoded, and automatic weapons wouldn't be is comical. I don't much mind really, though it's egregious, and looks very much like terrible writing (how do we get so and so to this place in this many episodes? uh, not sure? big hole? yep ok that'll do.) Still feel i might have missed something, but 'pay-off in next series' won't wash, and is something that's crept into multi-season, available-all-at-once series - House of Cards has begun to feel like you're watching 12 hour yearly episodes, the way it crawls through its arcs.

oh, yeah, it's probably excavated dirt, n/m

best plot strand in this is calvin klein model blood factory

I want less Karen next season because wow that actress is terrrrible. She's reminds me of Paula Patton in that they have one expression when displaying "emotion" : open mouth in a half smirk and wrinkle your brow.

you karen haters are bad

She's bad at acting.

lol at "13th Floor Elevators" on the security monitor in ep 6

I've watched 1 1/2 episodes, and one of those early ones joked that a good name for a super baddie would be "Killdozer." Some old hipster clearly in the writing crew.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gJ1vtajDJbE/VIndAORkCaI/AAAAAAAAGao/kRG9lTZ70jQ/s1600/Worlds+Unknown+%235+killdozer.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3841/751/1600/Killdozer02.jpg

Deborah Ann Woll is fine and I like how much agency the character has, I just wish she didn't get saddled with being uselessly kept in the dark re: Daredevil, and for her whole silly arc with Big Pun.

xpost Ha, is that where the band got its name?

I'm I think at episode 4, and while this isn't as batshit as "Punisher: War Zone," it is quite possibly the most violent TV show I have ever seen.

I believe that's from the comic adaptation of the Killdozer book (which was also a movie, as Killdozer is a thing needs to happen in every medium).

yep, you're correct.

no lolz in the real life version tho'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

that story never ceases to amaze me

For visibility, the bulldozer was fitted with several video cameras linked to two monitors mounted on the vehicle's dashboard; the cameras were protected on the outside by 3-inch (76 mm) shields of bullet-resistant plastic. Onboard fans and an air conditioner were used to keep Heemeyer cool while driving, and compressed-air nozzles were fitted to blow dust away from the video cameras. He had made three gun-ports, fitted for a .50 caliber sniper rifle, a .308 semi-automatic, and a .22 long rifle, all fitted with a half-inch-thick steel plate. Heemeyer apparently had no intention of leaving the cabin once he entered it. Authorities speculated he may have used a homemade crane – found in his garage – to lower the armor hull over the dozer and himself. "Once he tipped that lid shut, he knew he wasn't getting out", County Commissioner Duane Dailey said.

I have never heard that story before. That is completely insane. A very methodical and well-planned insanity but insane nonetheless.

it's the sort of batshit craziness combined with competence you'd expect from a tv show like Daredevil, not some guy pissed off at his community

Those are all different things, it looks like. Killdozer the 1974 movie looks like it was from the 1944 story, and the movie was adapted into a comic book also in 1974. Killdozer the crazy real dude was in 2004. Killdozer the band formed in 1983, so I guess took their name from the novella/movie/comic.

Anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

just finished season 2.
and seeing as others have done spoilers, i have one question.
in the final episode punisher just before he torches his house, he breaks a picture and takes out a cd-r titled 'MICRO'.
was this something the viewer is supposed to know about, or, something for another season ?

"micro" is a character from the comic books

so, a tease for another season or spin-off or something

Microchip was basically the Punisher's admin assistant for a long time.

ahh ta muchly.
i guess this means a standalone punisher series, which i'd totally be up for.
enjoyed daredevil s2 a lot, but damn, it was quite gruesome at times.
the wooden spikes into the fingers for stick was particularly difficult to watch.

oh god yeah *shudder*

I saw the first four eps, and they all ended pretty tidily, like the end of a 4-issue limited run. Then Elektra arrives and I'm all, hmm, OK, this must be like the start of another 4-issue limited arc. But then I come across reviews of future episodes regarding the Punisher on trial and battling ninjas and it scans like a totally different season of the show. I guess I sort of like how erratic these things can be from episode to episode, or season to season - just like the comics - but I kind of wish it wasn't biting off more than it could chew, especially since the material is pretty shallow to begin with, imo.

that's how they make the shallow material work -- they just push it together into a whole mess of stuff at once.

marvel cancelled a promotional panel for the upcoming punisher show a couple of weeks ago because of the vegas massacre; there's interesting piece on that at io9 here which echoes something i wrote itt last year

i think the show walked an interesting line with the punisher, though, and i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it. in 2016, a story about a disturbed white guy who conducts heavily-armed mass executions against those he perceives as having wronged him pretty unavoidably brings up memories of real-life situations from the recent past, all of which are horrific. the punisher shooting up a hospital early on in the show made me feel pretty queasy and that feeling never quite left despite the numerous reassurances that he was only targeting 'bad guys'.

bernthal was genuinely great, and the credit for any sympathy the audience has for castle is pretty much entirely down to how bernthal plays him. but i can't help feeling that the cultural context for the punisher in the 21st century is very different than it was for a character who was conceived in the post-dirty harry 1974.

i realise of course that the show hardly presents castle as a heroic figure but i kinda feel like if you're making a mass shooter one of your protagonists in 2016 it's impossible to avoid raising the spectre of real-life atrocities, and i don't think they navigated it entirely successfully.

― Upset by racist left wingers calling me an egg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:16 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some pertinent quotes from the article, by charles pulliam-moore

Though he’s most often framed as a complicated antihero who abides by a personal code that defines his sense of justice, the Punisher is Marvel’s equivalent to a mass shooter. While his depictions in various comic books, television shows, and movies make a point of elevating Castle’s sense of morality to gel with the idea of him being a hero, it’s impossible not to see how he’s also a celebration of the kind of gun culture that makes actual mass shootings possible.

To make the Punisher the star of his own TV show is to valorize his character—and to ignore his potential as a symbol of and blueprint for an all too American kind of horrific violence. Those elements of his identity shouldn’t be erased; they should be pored over, deconstructed, and discussed in an open, honest way, as they were in Daredevil’s second season. Maybe Frank Castle’s solo TV series is looking to do the same—to establish him not as the MCU’s newest vigilante, but instead as a man who finds the ability to heal from his trauma without shooting up a city in the process.

But that’s a big “maybe,” especially given that the character has failed to do so for more than 40 years of comics, and it still won’t change the fact that the Punisher will always primarily be a “hero” that fights those he deems evil by riddling them with bullets. That might sound like a harsh assessment, but if Marvel and Netflix feel like even discussing The Punisher would be in bad taste after a mass shooting, maybe that’s a sign they shouldn’t release it at all.

i like jon berthal as an actor quite a bit but i've got a real bad feeling about this show - i dunno how it would be possible to make it anything other than massively offensive and wrongheaded unless it presents frank castle as an out-and-out monster

Maybe he trades in his guns for impassioned appeals to reason and decency, did u even think of that

tbh i'd be okay with 13 episodes of frank beating his weapons into ploughshares and volunteering at his local food co-op or whatever

i did enjoy lexi alexander's super-cartoony approach in the punisher: war zone movie tho

Lexi is a bona fide karate master fyi.

Also I'm three episodes into the new DD series and it sucks the big felota.

Aw rly? I’m looking fwd to it

Mite binge it this weekend

Allegedly The Big Fight Scene in this one is good. (Episode 4.)

So I assume everyone but me has hopped off the Marvel Netflix train at this point? Bummerz.

This season has finally brought the full-bore, scarily-omnipotent Kingpin we were denied in s1. Bullseye has been pretty well handled, also.

It's sounding very much like the upcoming second season of Punisher may be the end of the Netflix shows, so y'all won't have too much more of this stuff to ignore.

can you watch this season without having watched The Defenders?

i'll get around to it eventually i guess

weird how quickly these things ran out of steam, huh? just way too little story for so many episodes in most cases

yeah, and it was immediately obvious even from DD s1

can you watch this season without having watched The Defenders?

― dan selzer, Friday, November 9, 2018 10:01 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, as long as you know that everyone thought DD was killed by a collapsing building at the end of that series (he was not actually killed, so sorry 2 spoil), there aren't really any other strong ties.

If nothing else, I'd recommend y'all check out the fight scene alluded to by Ned upthread. It's a dope long take (something like 11-12 minutes) of Matt trying to escape a prison riot that they must've spent forever rehearsing in order to make it look like such an unstructured brawl.

The bulk of one of the late season episodes is a flashback to Karen's pre-DD days in her small Vermont town which goes a long way towards explaining why she seems so goddamn haunted all the time, basically like a little indie film casually dropped into the mix. YMMV as to whether that sounds at all appealing.

(Also this is probably a good place to once again express my surprise in discovering that Cloak and Dagger is actually, imo, at least as good as the best of the Netflix shows.)

yeah the only one of these shows I got into at all was Luke Cage but everything good about that show should've been compressed into a couple tight 8 or 10-episode seasons

i really enjoyed s3 of this tbh

punisher and dd are probably the only good superhero tv shows, and better than a lot of superhero movies

I appreciate how consistently oppressive it's been with the sense that Fisk controls every goddamn piece on the board and, with two episodes to go, there's no clear path for DD & co. to come out on top.

Also appreciate how Matt has mostly just been getting the shit kicked out of him all season with very little that might be considered a win.

I've loved all 3 seasons of DD. Actress playing Karen still the weak link for me (I skipped her solo episode) but otherwise one of the best superhero adaptations, IMHO.

they're good there's just way too much TV and that goes double for superhero stuff. I loved Legion and never even watched S2 of that

I'm about halfway through S3 and really enjoying it so far. Defenders kinda killed my interest in the whole Marvel Netflix thing (didn't bother with Iron Fist) but I'm glad I jumped back in. I completely forgot they even made Punisher until just now!

I watched series 3 about a month ago and enjoyed it. I thought I was coming to it late so surprised that it seems most people are watching it now.
MIght go back and watch the rest of Cloak & Dagger which i got several episodes into. Think other things turned up at the same time or something.