Good comparison. The Long Goodbye easily for me. I think the other two are enjoyable but far from great.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link
lebowski
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
what clem said
the long goodbye > the big lebowski > inherent vice
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062012/small_big%20lebowski%20time.jpg
― j., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
TLG followed by IV, which I've seen twice and more than holds up whereas TBL still makes no sense and isn't particularly funny.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
Superficial comparison. One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners. xp
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
PT Anderson should adapt The Rockford Files next.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link
PTA would be offended if we all didn't vote for TLG
― Simon H., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
In his WTF episode PTA said he had to put The Long Goodbye and Big Lebowski completely out his head when he was making IV.
― Brio2, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
sounds doable
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:45 (nine years ago) link
Inherent Vice is Pynchon @ the movies and it wasn't shit -- in fact it was a really good film, and I am v thankful for that.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners.
no clue tbh
― j., Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork, so I'd guess that Long Goodbye is the first referenced. Getting down to the remaining two, I'd say that the aura of prestige attached to Pynchon's name would cross over to the film made from his novel, so at a hazard I'd say Inherent Vice was the second film referenced. Big Lebowski is clearly a comedy and derives much of its comedy from the character of The Dude, who is a stoner, so presumably it was the third film.
Not saying I agree with the assessment, since I haven't seen IV and it's been two ages or more since I saw Long Goodbye. I did enjoy Lebowski, despite not being a stoner. Go figure.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link
IV
― when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:05 (nine years ago) link
Love all three of these.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:31 (nine years ago) link
― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:20 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think the last of the three is pretty far behind too, although I enjoyed it.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:32 (nine years ago) link
I've seen Lebowski a bunch of times and it has its moments, but I never understood the immense praise it receives.
― Unheimlich Manouevre (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:03 (nine years ago) link
It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?
I think I might actually prefer California Split to The Long Goodbye these days, although I've probably just seen the latter too many times.
Yet to see Inherent Vice
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:16 (nine years ago) link
In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork
Which people, where? Even Altman didn't think everything he directed is a masterwork
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:20 (nine years ago) link
Long Goodbye is actually my favorite Altman by far -- I'm not a huge fan generally.
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
I'm an enormous Altman fan, but some of his movies are total dogshit.
― U SNOOZE U LOOZE BRAH (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link
What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre? IV and Lebowski seem to have a lot more similarities to each other than LG has to either of the later films.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link
*skateboards into thread*Sorry brahs, but if you hate Lebowski, you basically hate fun. HANG LOOSE!*skateboards off into sunset*
― walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link
What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre?
Cutter's Way is the other essential pre-Lebowski text
― Number None, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
good call! had totally forgotten Cutter's Way.
Chinatown has to fit in here somehow too, it's a product of post-hippy bleakness even though it's a period piece.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
post-Manson LA noir.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link
Night Moves (1975) with Gene Hackman?
― drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Cisco Pike also
― Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Same point, aimless: Altman's career was so erratic right till the end, I think even his most ardent defenders have opinions all over the place about his work. (I'd personally rate his films from 3s and 4s up to 10s.) With Kubrick that might be true?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:45 (nine years ago) link
I've never seen it, but The Big Fix from '78 might fit into your stoner-Chandler genre.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077233/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_69
― clemenza, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
that one is OK -- definitely no masterpiece, but enjoyable if you're into 70s LA detective action.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?otm. the cultural phenomenon surrounding lebowski is irritating if you pay attention, but the movie itself is wonderful.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
definitely more stoner than noir - but Cheech & Chong - especially Nice Dreams and Things Are Tough All Over are shaggy-dog LA ensemble pieces that fit some where in this lineage. Cheech & Chong & Chinatown.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
Stacy Keach's Sgt Stedenko in "Up In Smoke" is Bigfoot Bjornsen a few years down the line.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
Cisco Pike is great
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
Looks amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbiqXvLK8LY
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:49 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the flow of Inherent Vice reminded me of Cisco Pike more than any other film
― Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
"You Do the Best You Can" could also be a tagline for Cisco Pike
― Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
not so long ago, people had no fucking clue how to put together a trailer
― Soylent News Service (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
But they sure knew how to make a Bufferin ad!
― Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 30 March 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link
watching inherent vice for the second time and it's sooooooo good
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
i really liked inherent vice, but kinda wish i hadn't read the book years earlier.
can't imagine the state of confusion i'd be in lol
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:17 (four years ago) link
watched it without reading the book and its just an incredible trip
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
Coincidentally, the events of the book/film took place (well, began) 50 years yesterday.
― blatherskite, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
I dont really rate PTAs other stuff v highly but Inherent Vice is one I could watch again and again. I thought the book would be basically unfilmable, but seeing the film for the first time I couldnt believe how faithful it was & how well it worked.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link
one of my favorite final scenes in any movie ever. the light scrolling across doc and shasta's faces, the dreamy nowhere of their conversation... what a beautiful final note. also was fun at this moment in time to watch a movie that's at least partially about how fucked up america is in every way
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
i also played a game where i smoked every time doc smoked and i got p bottomlessly stoned
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
the ideal state to enjoy this film, tbh
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link
i don't smoke at all and i loved it
(never got on with big lebowski tho; long goodbye has been in my top five since the 1980s probably)
― mark s, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
it's a TV show and somewhat different but Lodge 49 feels akin to great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
akin to these*
it is certainly akin to great, too
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/LxSY8Qy.gif
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
i just made that gif! thought you might like that one
― orifex, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 23:34 (two years ago) link
lol yes thank u so much for isolating my favorite scene in any movie ever
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 23:35 (two years ago) link
“. . . yet there is no avoiding time, the sea of time, the sea of memory and forgetfulness, the years of promise, gone and unrecoverable, of the land almost allowed to claim its better destiny, only to the claim jumped by evildoers known all too well, and taken instead and held hostage to the future we must live in now forever.”
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
Two of these are anongst my all time favourites
Lebowski is a fun watch
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 00:02 (two years ago) link