Inherent Vice vs. Big Lebowski vs. The Long Goodbye

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The Long Goodbye 21
The Big Lebowski 13
Inherent Vice 7


Brio2, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:08 (five years ago) link

Good comparison. The Long Goodbye easily for me. I think the other two are enjoyable but far from great.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:18 (five years ago) link

lebowski

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

what clem said

the long goodbye > the big lebowski > inherent vice

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:20 (five years ago) link

TLG followed by IV, which I've seen twice and more than holds up whereas TBL still makes no sense and isn't particularly funny.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:36 (five years ago) link

Superficial comparison. One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners. xp

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:37 (five years ago) link

PT Anderson should adapt The Rockford Files next.

Brio2, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:47 (five years ago) link

PTA would be offended if we all didn't vote for TLG

Simon H., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:58 (five years ago) link

In his WTF episode PTA said he had to put The Long Goodbye and Big Lebowski completely out his head when he was making IV.

Brio2, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:04 (five years ago) link

sounds doable

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 22:45 (five years ago) link

Inherent Vice is Pynchon @ the movies and it wasn't shit -- in fact it was a really good film, and I am v thankful for that.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 23:33 (five years ago) link

One masterwork, one v good film, one protracted joke for stoners.

no clue tbh

j., Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:46 (five years ago) link

In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork, so I'd guess that Long Goodbye is the first referenced. Getting down to the remaining two, I'd say that the aura of prestige attached to Pynchon's name would cross over to the film made from his novel, so at a hazard I'd say Inherent Vice was the second film referenced. Big Lebowski is clearly a comedy and derives much of its comedy from the character of The Dude, who is a stoner, so presumably it was the third film.

Not saying I agree with the assessment, since I haven't seen IV and it's been two ages or more since I saw Long Goodbye. I did enjoy Lebowski, despite not being a stoner. Go figure.

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:57 (five years ago) link

IV

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:05 (five years ago) link

Love all three of these.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:31 (five years ago) link

what clem said

the long goodbye > the big lebowski > inherent vice

― describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:20 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the last of the three is pretty far behind too, although I enjoyed it.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:32 (five years ago) link

I've seen Lebowski a bunch of times and it has its moments, but I never understood the immense praise it receives.

Unheimlich Manouevre (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:03 (five years ago) link

It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?

I think I might actually prefer California Split to The Long Goodbye these days, although I've probably just seen the latter too many times.

Yet to see Inherent Vice

Number None, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:16 (five years ago) link

In some people's opinion anything altman directed is a masterwork

Which people, where? Even Altman didn't think everything he directed is a masterwork

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:20 (five years ago) link

Long Goodbye is actually my favorite Altman by far -- I'm not a huge fan generally.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 13:29 (five years ago) link

I'm an enormous Altman fan, but some of his movies are total dogshit.

U SNOOZE U LOOZE BRAH (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:23 (five years ago) link

What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre?
IV and Lebowski seem to have a lot more similarities to each other than LG has to either of the later films.

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:42 (five years ago) link

*skateboards into thread*
Sorry brahs, but if you hate Lebowski, you basically hate fun. HANG LOOSE!
*skateboards off into sunset*

walid foster dulles (man alive), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:43 (five years ago) link

What else fits in with this "stoner noir" genre?

Cutter's Way is the other essential pre-Lebowski text

Number None, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:01 (five years ago) link

good call! had totally forgotten Cutter's Way.

Chinatown has to fit in here somehow too, it's a product of post-hippy bleakness even though it's a period piece.

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:06 (five years ago) link

post-Manson LA noir.

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:11 (five years ago) link

Night Moves (1975) with Gene Hackman?

drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:15 (five years ago) link

Cisco Pike also

Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:21 (five years ago) link

Same point, aimless: Altman's career was so erratic right till the end, I think even his most ardent defenders have opinions all over the place about his work. (I'd personally rate his films from 3s and 4s up to 10s.) With Kubrick that might be true?

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:45 (five years ago) link

I've never seen it, but The Big Fix from '78 might fit into your stoner-Chandler genre.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077233/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_69

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:18 (five years ago) link

that one is OK -- definitely no masterpiece, but enjoyable if you're into 70s LA detective action.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:20 (five years ago) link

It's hilarious, has great visuals, a ton of fantastic actors on top of their game, and the definitive latter day Jeff Bridges performance. What's not to like?
otm. the cultural phenomenon surrounding lebowski is irritating if you pay attention, but the movie itself is wonderful.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:22 (five years ago) link

definitely more stoner than noir - but Cheech & Chong - especially Nice Dreams and Things Are Tough All Over are shaggy-dog LA ensemble pieces that fit some where in this lineage. Cheech & Chong & Chinatown.

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:31 (five years ago) link

Stacy Keach's Sgt Stedenko in "Up In Smoke" is Bigfoot Bjornsen a few years down the line.

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link

Cisco Pike is great

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:46 (five years ago) link

Looks amazing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbiqXvLK8LY

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:49 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the flow of Inherent Vice reminded me of Cisco Pike more than any other film

Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:39 (five years ago) link

"You Do the Best You Can" could also be a tagline for Cisco Pike

Josefa, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:41 (five years ago) link

not so long ago, people had no fucking clue how to put together a trailer

Soylent News Service (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 20:07 (five years ago) link

But they sure knew how to make a Bufferin ad!

Brio2, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 20:12 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 30 March 2015 00:01 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:01 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

watching inherent vice for the second time and it's sooooooo good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:15 (two weeks ago) link

i really liked inherent vice, but kinda wish i hadn't read the book years earlier.

can't imagine the state of confusion i'd be in lol

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:17 (two weeks ago) link

watched it without reading the book and its just an incredible trip

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:18 (two weeks ago) link

I dont really rate PTAs other stuff v highly but Inherent Vice is one I could watch again and again. I thought the book would be basically unfilmable, but seeing the film for the first time I couldnt believe how faithful it was & how well it worked.

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

one of my favorite final scenes in any movie ever. the light scrolling across doc and shasta's faces, the dreamy nowhere of their conversation... what a beautiful final note. also was fun at this moment in time to watch a movie that's at least partially about how fucked up america is in every way

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:21 (two weeks ago) link

i also played a game where i smoked every time doc smoked and i got p bottomlessly stoned

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

the ideal state to enjoy this film, tbh

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:39 (two weeks ago) link

i don't smoke at all and i loved it

(never got on with big lebowski tho; long goodbye has been in my top five since the 1980s probably)

mark s, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

it's a TV show and somewhat different but Lodge 49 feels akin to great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:43 (two weeks ago) link

akin to these*

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:43 (two weeks ago) link

it is certainly akin to great, too

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:00 (two weeks ago) link


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