iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

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or was it just an inevitable by-product of a # of long-running processes that were/are changing the way people live on the internet?

no (Lamp), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:15 (seven years ago) link

no, you did

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:21 (seven years ago) link

One thing I've noticed from being friends with a lot of ilxors is that a lot of the conversations that used to happen on ILX now just happen in people's facebook posts

Which is fine except facebook is so clunky that it's just such a chore to Show More Comments and it also makes me realize that that stuff wasn't really adding to my life anyway because I don't miss it here either

, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:21 (seven years ago) link

im gonna risk not having a nuanced opinion on this and simply state that having constant access/exposure to the lives//opinions/inner-most-thoughs/dinners/vacations/etc of other people--and what's more the narcissistically attended curation of those things--is a "bad thing."

ryan, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:22 (seven years ago) link

nothing ruined anything

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:23 (seven years ago) link

everything ruined everything

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (seven years ago) link

it is kind of the logical endgame of the internet though; the limitless access to information essentially and necessarily leads to learning what so-and-so thinks about obama's self stick.

ryan, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (seven years ago) link

i really have no idea, but i wonder what effect the widespread adoption of smartphones had on the typical content that's created and shared. seems like the kind of article/website/onlinething that you would create for the perusal of someone glancing down at their phone while waiting for an elevator would be different than what you would create for someone assumed to be sitting at a desktop and with a little more time

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (seven years ago) link

My biggest problem with relying on facebook for what-to-read-on-the-internet is that it's the same 3 people contributing 95% of my thread at the times I happen to look, and also there's just such an avalanche of stuff to read that I feel overwhelmed and shut down. OTOH it does seem to have replaced people forwarding things around or making threads about them to some extent. I still prefer finding content through ILX. I suppose I could open one of those tweeter accounts hand just have things twitted at me.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:27 (seven years ago) link

i guess the answer to this question depends on what you think is wrong with the internet, too. like, for me, an argument on the 'inevitable byproduct of long-running process side' is that the internet is now way more streamlined and standardized now. and of course standardizing things makes sense, and it's inevitable. but i miss the glory days of proto-blogs that each looked totally unique and were detached from the rest of the internet, or existed as part of Rings or whatever. now everything has wordpress over the top, or a generic Tumblr theme, whatever. bleh

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:29 (seven years ago) link

Though I am an avowed Facebook hater, I don't think Facebook ruined the internet mostly because I don't think of the internet as a static thing that can be ruined by the presence (or absence) of one website (even a really big one). It's more that the internet is a constantly evolving thing made up of whatever it is that people use it for. Plus I mean, Facebook is going to change, and its reach will be diminished, and the internet will continue to exist.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:29 (seven years ago) link

One thing I've noticed from being friends with a lot of ilxors is that a lot of the conversations that used to happen on ILX now just happen in people's facebook posts

realizing i could do this was a big breakthrough for me. instead of arguing w/ the void i could argue w/ ppl who i chose to friend on fb. also they have better killfile + blocking mechanics.

Mordy, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:31 (seven years ago) link

no, you did

this seems really hostile

i feel like in my head im using facebook as a proxy for a bunch of things but mostly involves 'the internet' being less separate from 'irl'. like i dont think the internet is any less awful than it was in 2003 but it feels less anonymous and interestingly weird a lot of the time. also i do think that 'internet culture' doesnt exist as much anymore? idk

no (Lamp), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:33 (seven years ago) link

Twitter's way worse

piscesx, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:35 (seven years ago) link

Of course there's also the whole narrative now of the kids not even taking to facebook, using all kinds of ephemeral, non-verbal communicative devices instead.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:35 (seven years ago) link

facebook is so boring and mundane and most people i'm very close with don't really use it. yet deleting my account seems like more effort than not deleting it. for some reason i still browse my newsfeed pretty regularly, just as a general "let me escape this present moment" thing (not dissimilar to ILX, but ILX generally has funnier or more insightful shit to say) but not because i find any great worth in it. in general "let me escape this present moment" is a net negative in my life so i can't say i gain anything worthwhile from facebook.

marcos, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:41 (seven years ago) link

otmfm

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:41 (seven years ago) link

I also use it for, "let me get a quick hit of attention and gratification by posting something funny my toddler said/something witty I thought of," which has a pretty big overlap with "let me escape this present moment"

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:42 (seven years ago) link

facebook ruined books

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Facebook didn't ruin the internet, but it did some significant damage to the way that Facebook users (in general) manage expectations within their interpersonal relationships.

Ad Strawmanem (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:45 (seven years ago) link

facebook ruined faces

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:46 (seven years ago) link

one of the biggest effects facebook's had is replacing screen names/aliases with real names/identities as the default for presenting & identifying yourself on the web. like usernames obviously still exist but even on a site like twitter where ppl use usernames they generally have their real name/pic as their display name & avatar, whereas pre-facebook internet interaction happened on message boards where everyone was ShadowDragonX and had a pic of sonic the hedgehog

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:47 (seven years ago) link

The whole thing of having to "log in" to comment, which includes facebook but is not limited to it, has definitely pretty much halted me from commenting on news/blog sites.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:49 (seven years ago) link

like i was always taught that revealing any personal info on the internet was A Bad Idea but facebook was the first major site to encourage it because of its origins as a college-level thing where that actually made more sense bc you were only interacting w/ people in your irl english lit class

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:51 (seven years ago) link

fb is one thing the internet had to become as it mainstreamed into the "real world" i.e. the economy. i think it's a point along this continuum of claiming the reality of social interaction for the market, through a syntax of desire created from the forms of representation that networked machines allow. the fb effect i've noticed the most irl is people it would seem increasingly turning their lives into a bunch of discrete performed categories in this ongoing game for visibility, sort of the same for all social media it's true but fb was there first. not pretending to be an expert or anything, just cobbling stuff together from a limited pov

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:51 (seven years ago) link

and fb being there first prob why it's the most boring lamestream version of it now i guess

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:52 (seven years ago) link

xp 'log in to comment' is a necessary evil now because spambot technology has gotten too good

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:53 (seven years ago) link

fb effect i've noticed the most irl is people it would seem increasingly turning their lives into a bunch of discrete performed categories in this ongoing game for visibility, sort of the same for all social media it's true but fb was there first.

and not like this is super new or bad or anything, just a thing people do that is aided by fb imo

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:53 (seven years ago) link

people definitely did things for the sole purpose of bragging rights long before they could take selfies and post them to their news feeds, although facebook tends to elevate that aspect of social experience.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:58 (seven years ago) link

more like: did millennials ruin the internet or did the internet ruin millennials

my wife's news feed seems way more annoying than mine but that's because people actually share personal information whereas my friends are pretty laconic. something related to gender going on there.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (seven years ago) link

realizing i could do this was a big breakthrough for me. instead of arguing w/ the void i could argue w/ ppl who i chose to friend on fb. also they have better killfile + blocking mechanics.

― Mordy, Monday, February 23, 2015 12:31 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

You moving a lot of this to FB has definitley made ILX a much more pleasant reading experience, ty

, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (seven years ago) link

xps definitely, it makes that process very easy and "liquid".

don't mean to march into the convo, just "sharing" some "thoughts" in a box. i feel like there were visions for the internet, flawed geek visions with totalitarian flavor maybe, that posited it as something outside/above "the hustle" or w/e but that was not to be the case lol, and that sort of thing is definitely being pushed against because it isn't really compatible with "we have to turn everything into a possible revenue stream", see for example why ISPs in the US are actually worse for free and clear access rn.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (seven years ago) link

Twitter's problem is that people can hide behind seemingly endless fake profiles and numerous accounts. Facebook is way stricter on this and pretty much always has been so it's harder to post evil shit on there, or if you do it's under your own name. still happens like but even Twitter's head honcho did some major mea culpa last week about how useless they are at dealing with trolls/ spambots and how he personally Will Sort It. god knows how.

piscesx, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:07 (seven years ago) link

i mean i have my suspicions about why ISPs really want to throttle service but nothing solid at all, that info isn't exactly the first thing that pops up on google (lol) for a lazy researcher like me.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:11 (seven years ago) link

There's also kind of an interesting, unspoken sadness to my facebook feed when I look at whose posts make up 50% of it -- the divorced mom who quit her job to start an ill-advised business and seems a bit adrift, the "older cool guy" from my college town who I generally like as a person but never seems to have found his way in life, the middle-aged poet my wife knows from some discussion group -- also a very nice and intelligent person, lost her non-profit job a couple years ago and hasn't been able to get back on her feet, the perpetually single, the trapped-in-bad-relationships. And then also just a bunch of random parents and show-offs.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:13 (seven years ago) link

re what euler was saying, there are definitely gendered versions of the sharing / liking economy.

fb def. makes it easier to judge it's true

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:15 (seven years ago) link

I find Facebook more depressing than Twitter because with FB you learn that some people, no matter how much they claim to care about you, think you want to read their repugnant political views. Twitter is a more appropriate place for that - I think FB should be like a set of concurring reunions.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:47 (seven years ago) link

xp - you know you can unfollow these people and your feed will change?

The interesting thing with fb, how it feels "different" from past internet experience, is the ongoing chess game with the algorithm -- how what fb presents you with is responsive to your behavior, but you aren't entirely sure how. Like if you are promoting an event, do more people see your post if you link to the event page, or if you game the system and post the event flyer as a photo, because "people prefer to look at photos"?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:53 (seven years ago) link

Trick question: The internet was never good.

dan m, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:57 (seven years ago) link

twitter ruined ilx, facebook ruined the internet

flopson, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:05 (seven years ago) link

xp - you know you can unfollow these people and your feed will change?

This is seriously the magic bullet right here

brimstead, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:12 (seven years ago) link

unfollow is so crucial

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:14 (seven years ago) link

people show up more in your feed if they've been clicking on you / scoping you out - y/n? paranoid?

i still don't really get pages or events, seems like there are pros out there, i just want to make a thing for my thing and not think about anything, y can't i do that.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:17 (seven years ago) link

p. interesting to me how earnest this thread is -- like, there's a joke or two but this feels like a q that is important to people. I think about it too - feel like fb didn't ruin shit until the upworthy style of presentation got perfected but once that happened, fuckin A. if you don't curate the shit out of your fb feed it's just garbage clickbait forever and it feels like it's getting worse daily, but at some point even your ex-coworkers will get sick of that too and stuff will change a little...maybe? if upworthy headlines are the terminal point of social media that's kind of hilarious and horrible

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:18 (seven years ago) link

One Shocking Truth About Social Media

, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:19 (seven years ago) link

think-pieces ruined the internet

Mordy, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:21 (seven years ago) link

wow i never get upworthy shit just constant deejay / electronic music / albums by bands news and social justice axes / snarky stuff from brit ilx zing crew ("look at that over dere!") but then i'm pretty strict about unfollow, if you post one annoying thing u r gone from the safe space of my feed immediately.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:23 (seven years ago) link

mordy otm about killfiling on facebook, pruning your feed for annoying people is so necessary. but i keep some in there just to keep me in check even though they are basically spamming my life.

i moved away from the city i had lived in my entire life this year and fb is an okay way to feel connected to my friends back home, so i appreciate it for that. i'll occasionally argue with someone in the comments but i don't find it's a great platform for that, better to have some distance than like arguing with a random dude u went to hs with over whether bill maher is islamophobic

i know this is a set up for a knee-slappingly self-deprecating comeback but communities like ilx or sa at their best is the best form of the internet imo. unless you're a celeb or "work" for it (lol) twitter is just too much shouting into the void (the only non-spam followers i have on twitter are irls and ilxors) and fb is too personal so u can't go full sociopath. like u get good writing, you can outsource a lot of 'content' mining to ppl you "trust", get enough feedback to not make u feel like a shrimpy voyeur, perfect anonymity

flopson, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:26 (seven years ago) link

mords is always a welcome sighting, i don't get why everyone's always so seemingly annoyed @ u tbr. xps

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:27 (seven years ago) link

It just seems so dumb to me that people would do that.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

You're not wrong. There are rare occasions when the format works because each succeeding tweet reveals something more insane in a deep dive, like a slide show of horrors

The thing you need to understand about today's Zillow find is that it was built in 2010 in the United States of America. 1/ pic.twitter.com/Rd5JrrsVgr

— Rebecca Makkai (@rebeccamakkai) January 14, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link

I'm immediately launching a new social media platform called Slide Show of Horrors, for people with stories to share that get worse and worse by the sentence.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

that's a helluva thread there

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

facebook.com itself is on borrowed time, their only hope is whatsapp and insta (and lmao metaverse)

Holy shit. Facebook just *got smaller,* probably for the first time in its history. https://t.co/59xqrmpB9M pic.twitter.com/bAo0cHIrh1

— Will Oremus (@WillOremus) February 2, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link

Diediediediediediedie

Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link

tis a consummation devoutly to be wished

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 February 2022 01:48 (one year ago) link

some of their ivermectin hydroxychloroquine posters stopped using the site because they are dead

towards fungal computer (harbl), Thursday, 3 February 2022 01:50 (one year ago) link

stock down 25%

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link

Sheesh. Not every day that $230 billion in market cap goes poof.

o. nate, Thursday, 3 February 2022 18:58 (one year ago) link

I can't express how peeved I am that these douches are ruining the word metaverse which Atlus shd've locked down

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2022 21:26 (eleven months ago) link

what a shithole. Interesting to see how the weightings work/ change. would love to run an experiment slowly turning all the popular content more and more lefty.

kinder, Thursday, 10 February 2022 18:57 (eleven months ago) link

eh

DT, Thursday, 10 February 2022 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Instagram owner Meta said it would let its users in some countries call for violence against Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian soldiers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60709208

Tracer Hand, Friday, 11 March 2022 16:28 (ten months ago) link

I guess it handed Russia a rationale to block Facebook and Instagram. They probably would've found one anyway.

o. nate, Friday, 11 March 2022 16:37 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

buy nothing now has an app so you don't have to sign up to facebook to post/reply.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 16 May 2022 20:22 (eight months ago) link

what's the difference between buy nothing and freecycle?

Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 May 2022 20:31 (eight months ago) link

Buy Nothing is a bit more idealistic and community-minded and generally restricted to a smaller area, I think.

Alba, Thursday, 26 May 2022 20:53 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Was locked out of my account ("Facebook Protect"-related) for 36 hours, a friend finally figured out a solution (gave him my password and he logged in, and then, for reasons I don't understand, I was able to also).

Not to sound naive, but one question coming out of this: besides "billions of dollars," how is a public company that (if locked out from your account) pretty much can not be contacted--by phone, by e-mail--allowed to operate? Even Microsoft and Amazon, I'm pretty sure I was able to contact them in the past over a couple of issues. Here, I was caught in this Joseph Heller-level endless loop: 1) locked out; 2) required to change settings to get back in; 3) can't change settings because I'm locked out.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 July 2022 21:48 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

WHOA DOCTOR, facebook got BURNED on this one!!!


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It’s been four years since users alleging harm caused by the Cambridge Analytica scandal sued Facebook (now Meta) for selling tons of easily identifying personal information to third parties, allegedly doing so even when users thought they had denied consent. In 2018, plaintiffs alleged in a consolidated complaint that Facebook acted in “astonishingly reckless” ways and did “almost nothing” to protect users from the potential harms of this “intentionally” obscured massive data market. The company, they said, put 87 million users at “a substantial and imminent risk of identity theft, fraud, stalking, scams, unwanted texts, emails, and even hacking.” And users’ only option to avoid these risks was to set everything on Facebook to private—so even friends wouldn’t see their activity.

Because of Facebook’s allegedly deceptive practices, plaintiffs said that “Facebook users suffered concrete injury in ways that transcend a normal data breach injury.” Plaintiffs had gotten so far in court defending these claims that Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg was scheduled to take the stand for six hours this September, along with lengthy depositions scheduled for former Facebook Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg and current Meta Chief Growth Officer Javier Olivan. However, it looks like none of those depositions will be happening now.

On Friday, a joint motion was filed with the US District Court for the Northern District of California. It confirmed that the plaintiffs and Facebook had reached a settlement agreement that seems to have finally ended the class action lawsuit that Meta had previously said it hoped would be over by March 2023.

It's not clear yet how much the settlement will cost Facebook—which has already paid billions in fines to the FTC—but there may be more information on Facebook sanctions in the next few days. Although the joint motion requested 60 days to draft a written settlement agreement, US district judge Vince Chhabria only granted the motion in part. Chhabria said he still expects all parties to “appear at the hearing on Friday, September 2 to discuss sanctions.”

Meta and Facebook’s legal team told Ars that it has no comment. The plaintiffs’ legal team did not immediately respond.

OUCH!!!!!!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 August 2022 01:06 (five months ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://social.entrepreneur.com/s/sajak-walks-off-set?as=6dap23851079301260596&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=z020409&utm_content=23851079248380596&utm_campaign=6dap23851079301260596&bdk=0

i included the facebook bonus URL numbers because it's the facebook thread.

if you have 5 minutes, you should read through that link. i feel very strange now

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:52 (four months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/9e62auv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RFJnJtJ.jpg
sajak appears to be in physical pain whenever he has to give away 100K

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:53 (four months ago) link

i was not aware of this https://www.garbageday.email/i/75786121/bolsonaro-finally-debates. they really do have the stench of death on them as a company.

The debate in Brazil this week was notable for a few reasons, but the biggest one for me was that Bolsonaro skipped the one in 2018, instead going live on his Facebook as the other candidates debated each other. It’s hard to imagine Facebook Live (or any Meta product) being able to counter-program a national primetime broadcast in 2022, but four years ago, Bolsonaro was able to fully tap into an out-of-control social media groundswell, thanks to pretty much unlimited reached on Facebook and WhatsApp. When he won, his supporters literally chanted “Facebook” and “WhatsApp” at the presidential palace gates. And in an interesting story that I haven’t seen really talked about in the English media yet is that it’s not just Bolsonaro that is suffering from Meta’s waning cultural influence in Brazil and Instagram’s pivot to TikTok, but also all of the far-right influencers that ran alongside him in 2018. And so it should come as no surprise that Bolsonaro has recently begun focusing on Telegram.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 30 September 2022 18:23 (four months ago) link

I would rather his focus on drowning in his bathtub

stank viola (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 September 2022 18:51 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Here's the unsolvable FB problem - having your spot blown up all the time. I.E. being tagged places you don't wanna be tagged.

Oh sure, you can stop it from showing up on your OWN Timeline with just a mere setting adjustment, which I added ages ago.

But that is useless if you have lots of friends are mutual friends with each other. If someone else tags me and I never approve adding it to MY timeline, my name still shows up in the friend's post. Which means people who are friends with the person who tagged me can see I'm there, it just delinks the link to my profile.

I can remove the tag, but until I notice it, my whereabouts are out there temporarily. So I wind up having to talk to people in advance to ask them not to tag me. Posting pics is worse cos it doesn't matter if I'm tagged if people recognize me, but I can solve that by not taking them with anyone?

Why do I care so much? Idk. For one I don't like people knowing where I'm at unless I choose to share that info, but mostly, a new age of FOMO butthurt that the social media age brought on.

Namely, I've had situations where random friends demand to know WHY WASN'T I INVITED when they see I was somewhere without them (one reason I don't check in places often), or I'll be invited to something but have a conflict, then that other person tags me and mutual friend yells OH SO THIS IS WHAT YOU BLEW ME OFF FOR?

I mean yeah that's childish behavior and it's not my responsibility to prevent people's feelings from being hurt, so if it comes to that, I'll just ditch any high drama friend if they do it more than once, but I also don't always want to advertise what I'm doing as that takes that control away from me.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 November 2022 23:07 (two months ago) link

(like it's diff if you're actually lying about your whereabouts and get tagged where you really are, cos that's actually kinda funny)

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 10 November 2022 23:12 (two months ago) link

This is a solvable problem because within 5 years almost no one who isn't in a senior care facility will be using Facebook. All the tagging will be "game room" or "dining room."

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 11 November 2022 00:41 (two months ago) link

kind of can’t believe people use Facebook, seems like such a relic

Clay, Friday, 11 November 2022 00:50 (two months ago) link

i got back in to be a little bit more in touch with family and today a cousin posted a flat earth video, for real. i haven't watched much flat earther stuff, so maybe this is a standard opening argument, but in the video, the guy was like "look at this image of the ocean from space and tell me what's wrong with it....you can't see any land there, why?", and then it cuts to his two friends/video participants, and they're like "because it's an ocean and there's no land there?", and the main guy interrupts with "watch the video. watch this. watch this." as he says that, the image of "the ocean" from space gets rotated 180 degrees, upside down, and also zooms out a bit, and you can see trees. "that's where we're filming from, the backyard. you see how easy it was to fool you? and we have almost no budget here. NASA has $65M a day to make it photorealistic."

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 November 2022 01:05 (two months ago) link

My dad is a repeat believer in the 'facebook is limiting the number of people that can see you post to 25' hoax, and periodically asks me if its true and to explain it.

In the past I would have tried to explain its a hoax, but (admitdly belatedly) I realized he wants the hoax to be true, and wants me to confirm its true.

I confirm the hoax is true. zen ensues

anvil, Friday, 11 November 2022 01:35 (two months ago) link

I swear I see only the same five people. Maybe because they're the only ones using Facebook anymore.

pplains, Friday, 11 November 2022 16:03 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I thought I'd deleted my account actual years ago now but someone told me yesterday that they'd contacted me on Messenger and I was still active. I just tried to log in to delete the fucker permanently and was told that I needed to contact three separate friends to verify me, then I could log in. Wtf.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 25 November 2022 18:30 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone ever had major, major problems with this miserable outfit?

In the past five months, I've had one comment and three posts removed.

1) a comment in a town tennis group about the weather: "The weather tomorrow looks very iffy. If anyone wants to play later today, let me know."

2) a post in my town's Facebook group--a group where I moderate--about a free screening of Lost in America I was having at a local community centre.

3) the same post as above, but in the Facebook group for a neighboring town (with permission from their moderators).

4) a post in a FB baseball group about all the father-son combinations Nolan Ryan has struck out.

The removals always come with the same idiotic blurb about community standards. I've tried desperately to get an explanation from someone, via both the help and support form and e-mail, but never get a response. Earlier today, I got an e-mail telling me to change my password because someone "may have accessed my account," which I counted as progress; I did, and I thought everything was fine, and now tonight I had a post removed.

I feel stupid for caring so much, but--sadly--FB is an important means of me keeping in touch with many people, and I use it for other things where I want to get word out. I'm convinced I'm going to have my account suspended without cause or explanation.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 06:32 (one week ago) link

Also: does anyone know someone who works for Facebook who might actually be able to help? I'm serious. I have to believe that there are breathing, talking people somewhere who keep things running.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 07:06 (one week ago) link

you can try Allyzay’s ilxmail!

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 January 2023 15:29 (one week ago) link

I will...is that the display name, Allyzay? I don't remember anyone with that name posting.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:41 (one week ago) link

Site been around a long time

I'll try. Checked, and has only posted twice since 2007 (in 2020). But it's worth a shot.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 16:46 (one week ago) link

4) a post in a FB baseball group about all the father-son combinations Nolan Ryan has struck out.

How many have there been?

pplains, Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:11 (one week ago) link

ilxor etaeoe works for Facebook Meta, I’ve harassed him recently to fix some bullshit that happened when my long-dormant account was inexplicably reactivated. Basically the only way to get customer support from Facebook is to complain to someone you know who works there. Ilx mail me and I’ll give you his phone number.

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:37 (one week ago) link

Or just go pester him in various threads until he does something about it

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:40 (one week ago) link

Oh we can just do that now? Cool.

can you still hit dinngers (gyac), Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:46 (one week ago) link

clemenza i thought you knew her! sorry. i doubt she’d appreciate an email from somebody she doesn’t know complaining about facebook tbh.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:47 (one week ago) link

Sorry, I already sent one out...I'll board-mail you now, silby, thanks.

Ryan struck out eight father/son combinations! TRIVIA 2020

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 17:49 (one week ago) link

Oh we can just do that now? Cool.

― can you still hit dinngers (gyac), Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:46 AM (thirty-nine minutes ago)

Imo if you work for Facebook you have to expect your life to get a little worse as a result

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 22 January 2023 18:27 (one week ago) link

etaeoe and eeetai (used to post a lot in U.S. politics) are not the same person, are they? I had lunch with eeetai in Toronto once, ages ago.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 19:46 (one week ago) link

kind of an interesting study about the motivations for clicking the "share" button, particularly bogus misinformation articles. a big chunk of people were just addicted to sharing stuff

The researchers created a mock Facebook entry for an article with a title and a graphic and showed it to users, asking them to decide whether they'd share it; the articles were evenly divided between accurate and misinformation. Overall, accurate stories were shared at a much higher rate (32 percent versus just 5 percent of false headlines). But a subset of subjects who shared the most stories—those with the strongest Facebook habit—shared fake and real stories at roughly equal rates. As a result, just 15 percent of the participants were responsible for nearly 40 percent of the fake stories that were shared.

To the researchers, this suggested that sharing misinformation isn't necessarily indicative of bias; instead, it's a problem of a subset of users who just habitually click share (with habit being defined as involving "limited reflection, inattention"). So the team designed an experiment to force people to do some reflection, asking participants to rate a headline's accuracy before they decided whether to share it (a group made these decisions in reverse order to act as a control). This worked partially. Habitual Facebook sharers reduced their sharing of false headlines but still ended up sharing a quarter of the total, and less frequent sharers were far less likely to share something false.

The researchers then repeated the experiment but used headlines that were either consistent with or opposed to the participants' self-described political affiliation (all headlines were accurate). A similar thing happened, with the non-habitual participants sharing politically palatable headlines at a rate seven times higher than contrary ones. By contrast, those with a Facebook habit were far less discerning, showing only three times the bias toward politically compatible headlines. So again, even with prompting, the habitual users were far less discriminating

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/for-facebook-addicts-clicking-is-more-important-than-facts-or-ideology/

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:15 (one week ago) link

Which would possibly explain my own problems: Russians are indiscriminately sharing my Nolan Ryan post in hopes of disrupting the 2024 election.

clemenza, Monday, 23 January 2023 20:24 (one week ago) link


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