iyo did facebook ruin the internet?

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or was it just an inevitable by-product of a # of long-running processes that were/are changing the way people live on the internet?

no (Lamp), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:15 (six years ago) link

no, you did

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:21 (six years ago) link

One thing I've noticed from being friends with a lot of ilxors is that a lot of the conversations that used to happen on ILX now just happen in people's facebook posts

Which is fine except facebook is so clunky that it's just such a chore to Show More Comments and it also makes me realize that that stuff wasn't really adding to my life anyway because I don't miss it here either

, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:21 (six years ago) link

im gonna risk not having a nuanced opinion on this and simply state that having constant access/exposure to the lives//opinions/inner-most-thoughs/dinners/vacations/etc of other people--and what's more the narcissistically attended curation of those things--is a "bad thing."

ryan, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:22 (six years ago) link

nothing ruined anything

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:23 (six years ago) link

everything ruined everything

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (six years ago) link

it is kind of the logical endgame of the internet though; the limitless access to information essentially and necessarily leads to learning what so-and-so thinks about obama's self stick.

ryan, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (six years ago) link

i really have no idea, but i wonder what effect the widespread adoption of smartphones had on the typical content that's created and shared. seems like the kind of article/website/onlinething that you would create for the perusal of someone glancing down at their phone while waiting for an elevator would be different than what you would create for someone assumed to be sitting at a desktop and with a little more time

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:24 (six years ago) link

My biggest problem with relying on facebook for what-to-read-on-the-internet is that it's the same 3 people contributing 95% of my thread at the times I happen to look, and also there's just such an avalanche of stuff to read that I feel overwhelmed and shut down. OTOH it does seem to have replaced people forwarding things around or making threads about them to some extent. I still prefer finding content through ILX. I suppose I could open one of those tweeter accounts hand just have things twitted at me.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:27 (six years ago) link

i guess the answer to this question depends on what you think is wrong with the internet, too. like, for me, an argument on the 'inevitable byproduct of long-running process side' is that the internet is now way more streamlined and standardized now. and of course standardizing things makes sense, and it's inevitable. but i miss the glory days of proto-blogs that each looked totally unique and were detached from the rest of the internet, or existed as part of Rings or whatever. now everything has wordpress over the top, or a generic Tumblr theme, whatever. bleh

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:29 (six years ago) link

Though I am an avowed Facebook hater, I don't think Facebook ruined the internet mostly because I don't think of the internet as a static thing that can be ruined by the presence (or absence) of one website (even a really big one). It's more that the internet is a constantly evolving thing made up of whatever it is that people use it for. Plus I mean, Facebook is going to change, and its reach will be diminished, and the internet will continue to exist.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:29 (six years ago) link

One thing I've noticed from being friends with a lot of ilxors is that a lot of the conversations that used to happen on ILX now just happen in people's facebook posts

realizing i could do this was a big breakthrough for me. instead of arguing w/ the void i could argue w/ ppl who i chose to friend on fb. also they have better killfile + blocking mechanics.

Mordy, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:31 (six years ago) link

no, you did

this seems really hostile

i feel like in my head im using facebook as a proxy for a bunch of things but mostly involves 'the internet' being less separate from 'irl'. like i dont think the internet is any less awful than it was in 2003 but it feels less anonymous and interestingly weird a lot of the time. also i do think that 'internet culture' doesnt exist as much anymore? idk

no (Lamp), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:33 (six years ago) link

Twitter's way worse

piscesx, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:35 (six years ago) link

Of course there's also the whole narrative now of the kids not even taking to facebook, using all kinds of ephemeral, non-verbal communicative devices instead.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:35 (six years ago) link

facebook is so boring and mundane and most people i'm very close with don't really use it. yet deleting my account seems like more effort than not deleting it. for some reason i still browse my newsfeed pretty regularly, just as a general "let me escape this present moment" thing (not dissimilar to ILX, but ILX generally has funnier or more insightful shit to say) but not because i find any great worth in it. in general "let me escape this present moment" is a net negative in my life so i can't say i gain anything worthwhile from facebook.

marcos, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:41 (six years ago) link

otmfm

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:41 (six years ago) link

I also use it for, "let me get a quick hit of attention and gratification by posting something funny my toddler said/something witty I thought of," which has a pretty big overlap with "let me escape this present moment"

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:42 (six years ago) link

facebook ruined books

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:42 (six years ago) link

Facebook didn't ruin the internet, but it did some significant damage to the way that Facebook users (in general) manage expectations within their interpersonal relationships.

Ad Strawmanem (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:45 (six years ago) link

facebook ruined faces

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:46 (six years ago) link

one of the biggest effects facebook's had is replacing screen names/aliases with real names/identities as the default for presenting & identifying yourself on the web. like usernames obviously still exist but even on a site like twitter where ppl use usernames they generally have their real name/pic as their display name & avatar, whereas pre-facebook internet interaction happened on message boards where everyone was ShadowDragonX and had a pic of sonic the hedgehog

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:47 (six years ago) link

The whole thing of having to "log in" to comment, which includes facebook but is not limited to it, has definitely pretty much halted me from commenting on news/blog sites.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:49 (six years ago) link

like i was always taught that revealing any personal info on the internet was A Bad Idea but facebook was the first major site to encourage it because of its origins as a college-level thing where that actually made more sense bc you were only interacting w/ people in your irl english lit class

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:51 (six years ago) link

fb is one thing the internet had to become as it mainstreamed into the "real world" i.e. the economy. i think it's a point along this continuum of claiming the reality of social interaction for the market, through a syntax of desire created from the forms of representation that networked machines allow. the fb effect i've noticed the most irl is people it would seem increasingly turning their lives into a bunch of discrete performed categories in this ongoing game for visibility, sort of the same for all social media it's true but fb was there first. not pretending to be an expert or anything, just cobbling stuff together from a limited pov

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:51 (six years ago) link

and fb being there first prob why it's the most boring lamestream version of it now i guess

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:52 (six years ago) link

xp 'log in to comment' is a necessary evil now because spambot technology has gotten too good

ciderpress, Monday, 23 February 2015 17:53 (six years ago) link

fb effect i've noticed the most irl is people it would seem increasingly turning their lives into a bunch of discrete performed categories in this ongoing game for visibility, sort of the same for all social media it's true but fb was there first.

and not like this is super new or bad or anything, just a thing people do that is aided by fb imo

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:53 (six years ago) link

people definitely did things for the sole purpose of bragging rights long before they could take selfies and post them to their news feeds, although facebook tends to elevate that aspect of social experience.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 17:58 (six years ago) link

more like: did millennials ruin the internet or did the internet ruin millennials

my wife's news feed seems way more annoying than mine but that's because people actually share personal information whereas my friends are pretty laconic. something related to gender going on there.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (six years ago) link

realizing i could do this was a big breakthrough for me. instead of arguing w/ the void i could argue w/ ppl who i chose to friend on fb. also they have better killfile + blocking mechanics.

― Mordy, Monday, February 23, 2015 12:31 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

You moving a lot of this to FB has definitley made ILX a much more pleasant reading experience, ty

, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (six years ago) link

xps definitely, it makes that process very easy and "liquid".

don't mean to march into the convo, just "sharing" some "thoughts" in a box. i feel like there were visions for the internet, flawed geek visions with totalitarian flavor maybe, that posited it as something outside/above "the hustle" or w/e but that was not to be the case lol, and that sort of thing is definitely being pushed against because it isn't really compatible with "we have to turn everything into a possible revenue stream", see for example why ISPs in the US are actually worse for free and clear access rn.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:06 (six years ago) link

Twitter's problem is that people can hide behind seemingly endless fake profiles and numerous accounts. Facebook is way stricter on this and pretty much always has been so it's harder to post evil shit on there, or if you do it's under your own name. still happens like but even Twitter's head honcho did some major mea culpa last week about how useless they are at dealing with trolls/ spambots and how he personally Will Sort It. god knows how.

piscesx, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:07 (six years ago) link

i mean i have my suspicions about why ISPs really want to throttle service but nothing solid at all, that info isn't exactly the first thing that pops up on google (lol) for a lazy researcher like me.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:11 (six years ago) link

There's also kind of an interesting, unspoken sadness to my facebook feed when I look at whose posts make up 50% of it -- the divorced mom who quit her job to start an ill-advised business and seems a bit adrift, the "older cool guy" from my college town who I generally like as a person but never seems to have found his way in life, the middle-aged poet my wife knows from some discussion group -- also a very nice and intelligent person, lost her non-profit job a couple years ago and hasn't been able to get back on her feet, the perpetually single, the trapped-in-bad-relationships. And then also just a bunch of random parents and show-offs.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:13 (six years ago) link

re what euler was saying, there are definitely gendered versions of the sharing / liking economy.

fb def. makes it easier to judge it's true

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:15 (six years ago) link

I find Facebook more depressing than Twitter because with FB you learn that some people, no matter how much they claim to care about you, think you want to read their repugnant political views. Twitter is a more appropriate place for that - I think FB should be like a set of concurring reunions.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:47 (six years ago) link

xp - you know you can unfollow these people and your feed will change?

The interesting thing with fb, how it feels "different" from past internet experience, is the ongoing chess game with the algorithm -- how what fb presents you with is responsive to your behavior, but you aren't entirely sure how. Like if you are promoting an event, do more people see your post if you link to the event page, or if you game the system and post the event flyer as a photo, because "people prefer to look at photos"?

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Monday, 23 February 2015 18:53 (six years ago) link

Trick question: The internet was never good.

dan m, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:57 (six years ago) link

twitter ruined ilx, facebook ruined the internet

flopson, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:05 (six years ago) link

xp - you know you can unfollow these people and your feed will change?

This is seriously the magic bullet right here

brimstead, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:12 (six years ago) link

unfollow is so crucial

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:14 (six years ago) link

people show up more in your feed if they've been clicking on you / scoping you out - y/n? paranoid?

i still don't really get pages or events, seems like there are pros out there, i just want to make a thing for my thing and not think about anything, y can't i do that.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:17 (six years ago) link

p. interesting to me how earnest this thread is -- like, there's a joke or two but this feels like a q that is important to people. I think about it too - feel like fb didn't ruin shit until the upworthy style of presentation got perfected but once that happened, fuckin A. if you don't curate the shit out of your fb feed it's just garbage clickbait forever and it feels like it's getting worse daily, but at some point even your ex-coworkers will get sick of that too and stuff will change a little...maybe? if upworthy headlines are the terminal point of social media that's kind of hilarious and horrible

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:18 (six years ago) link

One Shocking Truth About Social Media

, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:19 (six years ago) link

think-pieces ruined the internet

Mordy, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:21 (six years ago) link

wow i never get upworthy shit just constant deejay / electronic music / albums by bands news and social justice axes / snarky stuff from brit ilx zing crew ("look at that over dere!") but then i'm pretty strict about unfollow, if you post one annoying thing u r gone from the safe space of my feed immediately.

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:23 (six years ago) link

mordy otm about killfiling on facebook, pruning your feed for annoying people is so necessary. but i keep some in there just to keep me in check even though they are basically spamming my life.

i moved away from the city i had lived in my entire life this year and fb is an okay way to feel connected to my friends back home, so i appreciate it for that. i'll occasionally argue with someone in the comments but i don't find it's a great platform for that, better to have some distance than like arguing with a random dude u went to hs with over whether bill maher is islamophobic

i know this is a set up for a knee-slappingly self-deprecating comeback but communities like ilx or sa at their best is the best form of the internet imo. unless you're a celeb or "work" for it (lol) twitter is just too much shouting into the void (the only non-spam followers i have on twitter are irls and ilxors) and fb is too personal so u can't go full sociopath. like u get good writing, you can outsource a lot of 'content' mining to ppl you "trust", get enough feedback to not make u feel like a shrimpy voyeur, perfect anonymity

flopson, Monday, 23 February 2015 19:26 (six years ago) link

mords is always a welcome sighting, i don't get why everyone's always so seemingly annoyed @ u tbr. xps

hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Monday, 23 February 2015 19:27 (six years ago) link

also they disabled my account because of something i didn't do, so i'm like freaked out about that additionally

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 19:05 (four months ago) link

would prefer to delete facebook and instagram on my own terms instead of there being some inexplicable suggestion that i violated community standards

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 19:07 (four months ago) link

that i can't contest, because the website is irreparably broken

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 19:07 (four months ago) link

https://www.politicalorphans.com/something-weird-is-happening-on-facebook

"What are those accounts and why do they matter? It isn’t clear and there’s no definite pattern. A lot them are, for lack of a better term, squirrelly. They seem to be “promoter accounts,” generating dozens of posts of day consisting mostly of spam. Some are offshore. A few appear to be ordinary people. Why these tagged accounts deliver such huge impact is unclear, but the results are impressive. How this works is murky, but it’s clear that someone has found a way to gain absolutely stellar reach for these apparent spam posts. What they have in common is help from affiliate networks."

sleeve, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 23:01 (three months ago) link

No

DT, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 07:33 (three months ago) link

This hearing is extraordinary.

Side note: “Despite being battered by lawmakers all morning, Facebook seems unaffected. Since the hearing began, its share price has risen 2 percent to roughly $332 and continues to push upward.”

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 16:31 (three months ago) link

if anything, i'm sure investors are heartened by facebook's turn from the 'zuck apology era' to the 'nameless guys in suits who don't give a fuck era'. seems better for business

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 16:40 (three months ago) link

the whistleblower also said she doesn't think FB should be broken up

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 17:47 (three months ago) link

facebook: arguably worst than tobacco

You’ve probably seen the latest controversy about Facebook/Instagram leading vulnerable teenagers to anorexia, fat-shaming content that seems almost designed to send teenage girls and some boys into spirals of self-loathing and unsafe behaviors. What jumps out to me about this latest controversy is that most people still don’t grasp that things like this are close to inevitable because of what Facebook is. It’s foundational to the product. It is not surprising.

Let me explain. First, set aside all morality. Let’s say we have a 16 year old girl who’s been doing searches about average weights, whether boys care if a girl is overweight and maybe some diets. She’s also spent some time on a site called AmIFat.com. Now I set you this task. You’re on the other side of the Facebook screen and I want you to get her to click on as many things as possible and spend as much time clicking or reading as possible. Are you going to show her movie reviews? Funny cat videos? Homework tips? Of course, not. If you’re really trying to grab her attention you’re going to show her content about really thin girls, how their thinness has gotten them the attention of boys who turn out to really love them, and more diets. If you’re clever you probably wouldn’t start with content that’s going to make this 16 year old feel super bad about herself because that might just get her to log off. You’ll inspire or provoke enough negative feelings to get clicks and engagement without going too far.

Now you may be saying: But Josh, I would never do that. I’m not a sociopath. But that’s irrelevant. You’re just saying you’ll refuse to participate in the experiment. We both know what you’d do if you were operating within the goals and structure of the experiment.

This is what artificial intelligence and machine learning are. Facebook is a series of algorithms and goals aimed at maximizing engagement with Facebook. That’s why it’s worth hundreds of billions of dollars. It has a vast army of computer scientists and programmers whose job it is to make that machine more efficient. The truth is we’re all teen girls and boys about some topic. Maybe the subject isn’t tied as much to depression or self-destructive behavior. Maybe you don’t have the same amount of social anxiety or depressive thoughts in the mix. But the Facebook engine is designed to scope you out, take a psychographic profile of who you are and then use its data compiled from literally billions of humans to serve you content designed to maximize your engagement with Facebook.

Put in those terms, you barely have a chance.

Of course, Facebook can come in and say, this is damaging so we’re going to add some code that says don’t show this dieting/fat-shaming content but girls 18 and under. But the algorithms will find other vulnerabilities. Not long ago I read an article about researchers at Instagram experimenting with prompts that looked for people like our hypothetical 16 year old above who is spiraling on damaging content and said, ‘Is Instagram making your feel bad about yourself. Would you like take a break from Instagram for a while?’

That’s a great thing. The algorithms can be taught to find and address an infinite numbers of behaviors. But really you’re asking the researchers and programmers to create an alternative set of instructions where Instagram (or Facebook, same difference) jumps in and does exactly the opposite of its core mission, which is to drive engagement. And where does that line get drawn? What’s if it’s just a 35 man who needs to lose ten pounds and Weight Watchers wants to show him an ad? Is that okay? Maybe you’re helping him. What if I’m just spending a bit too much money on miscellaneous items I see advertised on Facebook? Do I also get a pause prompt?

Slippery slope arguments are almost all bad arguments. You make reasonable decisions on their merits. Life is about weighing factors and making decisions. Reductios ad adsurdum make everything stupid. But why exactly are you creating a separate group of subroutines that yanks Facebook back when it does what it’s supposed to do particularly well? This, indeed, was how the internal dialog at Facebook developed, as described in the article I read. Basically, other executives said: Our business is engagement, why are we suggesting people log off for a while when they get particularly engaged?

That’s an interesting debate within Facebook. But what it makes me think about more is the conversations at Tobacco companies 40 or 50 years ago. At a certain point you realize: our product is bad. If used as intended it causes lung cancer, heart disease and various other ailments in a high proportion of the people who use the product. And our business model is based on the fact that the product is chemically addictive. Our product is getting people addicted to tobacco so that they no longer really have a choice over whether to buy it. And then a high proportion of them will die because we’ve succeeded.

So what to do? The decision of all the companies, if not all individuals, was just to lie. What else are you going to do? Say we’re closing down our multi-billion dollar company because our product shouldn’t exist?

You can add filters and claim you’re not marketing to kids. But really you’re only ramping back the vast social harm marginally at best. That’s the product. It is what it is.

It can be hard to take seriously the comparison between tobacco and Facebook. We know the horrible illness and social toll of tobacco. I go on Facebook and I just see what my old high school classmates are doing living lives of quiet desperation. Surely this can’t be equivalent. But whether or not it’s ‘as bad’ there is definitely an analogy inasmuch as what you’re talking about here aren’t some glitches in the Facebook system. These aren’t some weird unintended consequences that can be ironed out of the product. It’s also in most cases not bad actors within Facebook. It’s what the product is. The product is getting attention and engagement against which advertising is sold. You use algorithms and machine learning to figure out how to keep you engaged with Facebook as much as possible. How good is the machine learning? Well, trial and error with between 3 and 4 billion humans makes you pretty damn good. That’s the product. It is inherently destructive, though of course the bad outcomes aren’t distributed evenly throughout the human population.

The business model is to refine this engagement engine, getting more attention and engagement and selling ads against the engagement. Facebook gets that revenue and the digital roadkill created by the product gets absorbed by the society at large. Facebook is like a spectacularly profitable nuclear energy company which is so profitable because it doesn’t build any of the big safety domes and dumps all the radioactive waste into the local river.

What’s so damaging about Facebook is that there’s no willfully bad person doing this. That’s just what the product is. And in the various articles describing internal conversations at Facebook, the shrewder executives and researchers seem to get this. For the company if not every individual they seem to be following the tobacco companies’ lead.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dont-be-surprised-about-facebook-and-teen-girls-thats-what-facebook-is

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 18:17 (three months ago) link

there’s no willfully bad person doing this

i can think of one

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:32 (three months ago) link

Twitter's not exempt from this critique

DT, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 02:24 (three months ago) link

absolutely

but it's not like there are a dozen different tobacco companies marketing to kids

zuck absolutely has the ability to affect change; he chooses not to

jack is just a shitposter riding in the wake of not doing anything

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 03:39 (three months ago) link

While it’s good to have attention focused on the shitty FB practices and I’m hopeful that we may see some positive change, I’m bracing myself for the far likelier outcome that any action Congress actually takes will be dumb, not address any of the very real problems and will have negative consequences for the internet well beyond just FB.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 05:03 (three months ago) link

everybody should stop using facebook and use instagram instead, in the meantime

just kidding about the latter part, although i use instagram

typo hell #11: i plan to set-up an even better on in my prospectiv (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 05:06 (three months ago) link

I unironically like my Instagram feed (friends+bands+architecture+animals) but any time I've looked at the recommendations page it's an absolute cesspool of hustle life and sub-fuckjerry/right-wing meme pages.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 05:10 (three months ago) link

My personalized recommendations are generally decent (mostly baby elephants). But it’s weird how quickly liking some random post will lead to right wing memes being thrown in the mix.

Like “Oh you liked a generic meme about the 1980s? Well surely you’d like this post about the EVILS OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY too!”

And then for a couple of days back it started forcing the personal recommendations into my main feed (it used to come at the end after I scrolled to the bottom). I left a really shitty review on the App Store and it stopped. Maybe they made me a Guinea pig for a new feature? Or else I just flipped the switch for maximum addictive potential.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 15:04 (three months ago) link

One issue that seems generally glossed over in all this hand-wringing about social media is how Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, YouTube (and probably TikTok) appear to be practically purpose-built for bad faith manipulation. I don’t think this is so true for Twitter, mainly because it’s so personality-driven. Much of the manipulation involves claiming a false identity, or a process of radicalization based on shifting claims about identity.

So with the case of the radicalization through recommendations that I described, it’s completely opaque whether this is a bug or a feature. I suspect the latter, but then I’ve spent a lot of time tending my personal paranoia garden lately.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 15:14 (three months ago) link

it's kind of really funny that facebook really is going to build a metaverse or whatever, a hundreds of millions of people will willingly walk into it

typo hell #11: i plan to set-up an even better on in my prospectiv (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 16:37 (three months ago) link

They built the pyramids

Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 16:38 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

my fb account has been disabled for no reason and unfortunately since facebook is irreparably broken i can't recover it because they believe i've requested "too many sms codes"; this would be fine if my instagram weren't also disabled

not that i want to be on either platform that much but it's just annoying

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, September 21, 2021 7:11 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

update: i contested it, they never got around to reviewing my account, and now my instagram and facebook are permanently disabled

no idea why this happened

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:57 (three months ago) link

That extra sucks. Wtf.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:21 (three months ago) link

Potentially political? I only ask cause when I tried to post the "We told them it would trickle down roffle" image macro on FB in various formats, it was apparently completely blocked.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:23 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

i quit facebook a few months ago, but it was mainly to try to pry myself off of the internet in general (i ended up just shifting more of my online time to other online places, similar to when i quit drinking coca-cola and coincidentally started drinking loads of coffee when i was 18). i loathe the way that facebook surveils me and my friends so that they can sell their psychographic profiles to third parties, but that's happening all the time across the internet. i bring a long trail of cookies with me wherever i go. i would feel less fatalistic about the direction of social media/internet it if i thought that it would be regulated appropriately, but i don't share tomboto's optimism on that

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:32 PM (three years ago)

for those who are still on facebook: what would it take for you to delete your account?

is there a limit to the amount of misuse/selling of your private data that can occur before you've had enough? or is the real issue just that facebook is too useful in certain ways (staying in touch, finding local event invitations, telling everyone you're engaged or pregnant, etc), so you wouldn't delete your account until there's a functional equivalent that you could migrate to?

not trying to be judgmental here. i deleted my account back in january, pre-Cambridge scandal. i was well aware of facebook's shittiness, but i quit because of personal reasons/depression. and i'm still on instagram (owned by facebook), which is probably analyzing all of my images to see what kinds of products i enjoy and where i like to hang out, and connecting all of that to my friends' patterns of behaviors so that some other company can increase the persuasion factor of their advertisements by 1.5%.

i'm digressing, as always. but it's very depressing. we know that something is deeply wrong, but we're also getting used to how all of this works. we lose our privacy and we know we're being manipulated, but we keep allowing them to do it because the product is useful enough to outweigh the abuse. right?

― Karl Malone, Monday, April 9, 2018 12:17 PM (three years ago)

i wish everyone would quit facebook and join are.na. you can search for me there under my name. you create "channels" (general topics, like "minimalism" or "things that look like butts" or "media criticism") which contain "blocks". blocks are links to things, images, files, etc. you can take anyone else's "block" and add it to any of your own channels. you set the privacy level of each channel you make - you can make it private, you can set it to public/closed (which means others can see your channel but can't edit it), or public/open (which means other people can add blocks to it).

it is tiny and awesome and they're not surveilling you. just join in addition to facebook and get used to another place to share things with people that isn't brazenly fucking you over all the time.

it is one of the best 2 sites on the internet

― Karl Malone, Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:40 PM (three years ago)

i know, i know. i own an OUYA. :-/

but i like to try new things and think that it's possible to do better than facebook

― Karl Malone, Sunday, April 15, 2018 5:28 PM (three years ago)

everybody should stop using facebook and use instagram instead, in the meantime

just kidding about the latter part, although i use instagram

― typo hell #11: i plan to set-up an even better on in my prospectiv (Karl Malone), Wednesday, October 6, 2021 12:06 AM (two months ago)

well i'm back on facebook

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 21:21 (three weeks ago) link

which of your free "welcome back" gifts did you select?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 December 2021 21:25 (three weeks ago) link

i’m pretty close to deleting instagram, which gets me one step closer to being entirely off big tech (apart from uh, my apple ID). whatsapp is the other big one, though. that’s harder to surmount. feels more like a utility than the others and i would have a very hard time doing without it.

facebook i haven’t thought about in years and years apart from what i read in the news.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 21:51 (three weeks ago) link

I check in on Facebook only because my family worries about me if I don't. None of friends or family enjoy it because everyone's nosy old aunt or neighbor or grammar school teacher is also reading their timelines. It's become depressing.

Also what's really awkward is when a school friend posts a tasteless joke and five minutes later your other school friend announces that their brother has just died or something. Having all of these disparate contacts in one place has made a lot of people reticent. No one knows what to post anymore so they just post pictures of food or their dog.

The latest tragicomedy was this week when I damn near permanently crippled myself obtaining a giant bottle of Galliano for my brother. Also dropped the $50 bottle but thankfully it didn't crack. By the time thing made it to my kitchen table, I was in tears.

However I cannot seek consolation on FB regarding my fragile holiday emotional state as it would entail revealing said gift and the hell I went through to get it.

Night of Olay: The Resurrection (I M Losted), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:50 (three weeks ago) link

i learned through FB pics who the new girl my bro is seeing is. because even though he wasn't tagged in the pic, his best friend posted it, so his ex blew up at him ("you're already over me!!!"), and my brother told my mother, and she told me.

sadly, someone I was kinda into, but my dating life has pretty much ended until pandemic ends/caregiving stabilizes, and plus I'm looking scraggly and ugly these days. (though I did shave finally)

I M Losted you are right about people being tentative about the climate right now of what to post. there's so much sadness I think people are afraid to share some joy as it might come across the wrong way?

hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:31 (three weeks ago) link

Absolutely. You don't want to post something happy or trivial when someone else in your extended circle is having a rough time.

Night of Olay: The Resurrection (I M Losted), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:40 (three weeks ago) link

i post once a day, if that these days. except for when sports are on

hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

Can never delete Instagram because I'd miss Brisk God videos

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:43 (three weeks ago) link

one of my friends is, for what seems like the third time this year, publicly telling everybody that he's done with his fiancee and tagged her in the post AND made the post global.

if this fits the usual pattern, it will be deleted in ten minutes, and tomorrow there will be a huge pic of the two of them that he shares, all smiles.

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 December 2021 04:53 (three weeks ago) link

don't get on facebook

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 December 2021 07:22 (three weeks ago) link

Bruce!

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 December 2021 11:00 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry for the clickbait source but I can't see beyond the paywall. (Original source is the WSJ.)

https://www.rawstory.com/mark-zuckerberg-2656194176/

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:16 (three weeks ago) link

The company's "sharp-elbowed" response to Haugen's claims was driven by Zuckerberg as the social media giant faced its biggest crisis in years, according to the report. Zuckerberg "told employees not to apologize" and announced the company was changing its name to Meta.

"Mr. Zuckerberg pushed subordinates to respond more forcefully to the bad publicity, according to people familiar with the discussions," according to the Wall Street Journal. "In a virtual meeting in late November, some of Meta’s largest institutional investors asked Facebook to address some of the issues around user safety, according to people familiar with the call. Some investors found Mr. Zuckerberg, who also is chairman, defensive on the call, these people said. They left dissatisfied with Facebook’s overall response, because the company reiterated previous talking points and didn’t share any big new changes, according to a written briefing about the meeting described to the Journal."

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:17 (three weeks ago) link

the company reiterated previous talking points and didn’t share any big new changes

when was this ever not true of FB?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:21 (three weeks ago) link

That time they made Breitbart part of their "fact checking" group?

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:25 (three weeks ago) link

im beginning to think sociopaths shouldnt control everything, sorry thats just how i feel

Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:37 (three weeks ago) link

"Move fast and break things then don't apologize."

There just needs to be a culling of all tech billionaires. I'm sure the videos of such would go quite viral and generate a lot of hits.

earlnash, Friday, 31 December 2021 13:43 (three weeks ago) link

i use it mostly to catalogue my music movie and game collection!

xzanfar, Friday, 31 December 2021 16:58 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've noticed the last few weeks, in politics and COVID threads, and just now in a baseball thread, people posting Twitter threads where the person tweeting has a lot to say and breaks everything into a whole bunch (meaning, what they need to say/140) of tweets. Is this relatively new, or have people always done that on Twitter? Facebook's zillion and one problems are well documented in this thread, but it also has this amazing feature (shared by ILX and other message boards) where you can say everything you want in one place.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:53 (one week ago) link

‘1/997’ tweet threads have been a running joke for at least a decade.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:56 (one week ago) link

They began the minute someone decided to use the platform for something other than dick jokes or micro-blogging about where they got a latte.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:58 (one week ago) link

Okay. Almost all the tweeting I see is what shows up here.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:58 (one week ago) link

It just seems so dumb to me that people would do that.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 19:59 (one week ago) link

You're not wrong. There are rare occasions when the format works because each succeeding tweet reveals something more insane in a deep dive, like a slide show of horrors

The thing you need to understand about today's Zillow find is that it was built in 2010 in the United States of America. 1/ pic.twitter.com/Rd5JrrsVgr

— Rebecca Makkai (@rebeccamakkai) January 14, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:05 (one week ago) link

I'm immediately launching a new social media platform called Slide Show of Horrors, for people with stories to share that get worse and worse by the sentence.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:09 (one week ago) link

that's a helluva thread there

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:45 (one week ago) link


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