Let's talk about Vice Magazine

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OK, they put Original Pirate Material out in the US. I'll give 'em that. But I think the magazine is just awful -- if they didn't already do it on a regular basis, I'd recommend that they publish an all-encompassing Vice Guide to Political Incorrectness For Barely Literate Trendhoppers and Culture-Slummers. At any rate, read this.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 13 October 2002 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"One thing we noticed is that people don’t want to read about music, really. Nor should they."

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 13 October 2002 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Most American magazines are absolutely awful (rotten to the core, mealy-mouthed, no sense of style). Vice is not. They've covered a lot of the releases on my label, American Patchwork, without being paid off with advertising or tipped off by press officers. Presumably because they just like them. They gave photographer Ryan McGinley (a 'faggot', as they would put it) a lot of his first breaks. Their interview made me laugh.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

jess thinks momus full of shit, overly-simplistic, banal-y "edgy" non shocker.

Is Vice just the whole pigfucker ethos with a $2,000 suit and a job in advertising? Must be!
I said "homo" and I'm so naughty! Tee-hee! I derive much enjoyment from shaking up people's preconceptions because it is so much fun! I feel giggly all over now! Tee-hee!

-- Michael Daddino (epicharmus@aol.com), June 28th, 2002

the fact that people continue to fall for this bullshit in 2002 makes me rather ill.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

and actually, in reading the thread that quote came from, i'm quite disappointed in a large chunk of ilx (yeah, because that's the first time THAT'S happened.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

(also, somehow i don't think it's a coincidence that the vice-stylee seems to be a rather big influence on all the blogs and indiezines i currently most hate.

GM: The punk rock-ness of that is just plain honesty. We seem really racist and homophobic because we hang around with fags and niggers so much. It just becomes part of our vernacular.

Albini: Given how intermingled the gay and punk subcultures were, it was assumed by anyone involved that open-mindedness, if not free-form experimentation, was the norm. With that under your belt, joke all you like. The word "fag" isn't just a gay term, it's funny on it's own, phonetically.

and if you actually belive any of this bullshit rhetoric may a group of passing meatheads beat the shit out of you rather than that fag or nigger they had planned to, in a rare moment of justice.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 10:35 (nineteen years ago) link

So are we to take it, Jess, that your position here is that words are *not* changed by context? That they have an intrinsic, objective, unchanging power to offend? Which puts you (in the terms of the 'classical music -- why bother?' thread) in the Status camp rather than the Contract camp?

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I would think that giving Ryan McGinley a break would be a good thing, if you know, McGinley even had an iota of talent. Photographers like him come dime a dozen. He's lame, lame, lame.

franky, Sunday, 13 October 2002 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I disagree. Ryan is in the Nan Goldin mold of selling pictures of his friends and his lifestyle. While that may be problematical when he gets to Corinne Day's level ('Oh Kate Moss is just my friend, I photograph her when she has her tampon in and just happens to be lying naked on my shitty carpet...'), for the time being it's refreshing. And instead of Corinne Day, he may quite possibly turn into a Wolfgang Tillmans figure.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

(I'd also like to say add that putting 'Original Pirate Material' out in the US itself qualifies Vice for the Nobel Prize in pop.)

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

are there still people out there, 'sides the above mentioned meatheads and confused trendhoppers, who feel boxed-in or suffocated by the words and means of 'political correctness'? maybe in some utopian neverland where its assumed that not one single reader of vice actually hates black or gays or jews or foreigners of any stripe etc, then we can start playfully recontextualising formerly offensive words, but 1. that won't likely ever be, however narrowly vice may wish to define its readership and 2. that's clearly not the point: reading the above interview, their modus operandi seems to be something like 'let's gloss-up offensive "home truths" and see if the reader can spot-the-difference between shiny shirts and hateful invective. if they succeed, i'm guessing the reader (nb i haven't actually read this magazine) will likely get tired of asking "are these guys for REAL?" every page. if they fail, they can either start working for the magazine or go out and practice some non-glossy, real-life discrimation.


Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

If we're going to wait for Utopia before allowing that words might be changed by context, we'll be waiting a long time, with Scotch tape across our mouths. And it'll be a waste of time and tape, because words are changed by context right now. And the context of Vice is that they actively promote the work of NY 'art fags' like Phiiliip and Ryan McG.

If you like I'll retype that last sentence without the 'inverted' commas.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(nb i haven't actually read this magazine)


http://www.viceland.com/

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm....liked the graphics, the writing seemed to be kind of dumb and lazy.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The problem with this whole let's recontextualize old bigot terms in order to rid them of their previous offensive connoctations and thus provide a way for diferent people to come to terms with each other WITHOUT the intrusion of the Politically Correct Police is that it might feel very daring and liberating and laudable for the average white straight male; but if you've spent your entire life getting kicked around for being a "fag" or "nigger" or what have you, you'd be much less likely to see VICE's stuff as the highly subversive breaking down of the PC walls etc that its staff thinks it is, and much more likely to see it as a bunch of guys celebrating their bigotry under the guise of "irony", regardless of whether or not they employ members of the groups they're throwing cuss words at. And you'd probably be right.

Cf: "The White Noise Supremacists" by Lester Bangs

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

okay maybe I overstated the point, but I do think that if the recontextualisation is done in the service of quasi-racist "hip to hate" rhetoric, then yeah, let's wait till we're all running around naked, embracing each other and painting colour field abstractions in the sun-dome (I stole that imagery from someone) before we decide to remove the scare quotes from 'fag', 'nigger' etc just because we'd rather use those words intead of "gay" or "black" or "nigga" (nb. what I understand Vice to be doing is v different from a proud "what was bad now is good" reversal of meaning, seems to me something closer to a kind of skinhead-coquette thing - "are they 'jews' or are they 'kikes'?" "are they 'gays' or are they 'fags?' "). doesn't seems to me as if they've got the work of 'fags' (no, I'm not ready to remove the 'inverted' commas) up on display in an attempt to dilute the negativity of the word, at least not while they remain committed to (as Mike D. says) giggly controversy baiting and 'wink wink' racism. I dunno if I can say anything more about this, because excepting that interview, I HAVEN'T read anything from these guys, and I feel like I'm talking more about what I understand as the Vice "attitude" that's adopted by certain people I don't much like than the (possibly eqaully vile) magazine itself.

(in between writing and posting this, I see Momus's link, which I'll check now and see how it changes what I've just typed)

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 October 2002 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

look, i don't have time to *really* get into it now, but the thing that has ALWAYS bothered me about vice is that it's essentially repackaging maxim's boorish anti-intellectualism in a much more insidious package (once couched in illusions of "hipness").

whenever i pick up a vice, the prevailing message i seem to get from it is one of "aw shit, dude, don't think about things so much! titties are fun, some music sucks ass, mainstream media is all bullshit, this is REAL. have some fun you uptight fuckwad."

but i think the thing that bothers me most about vice is their undeniable beavis factor; sometimes in their brazen stupidity and painful 'realness', they hit at the root of a subject with more effectiveness and insight than anyone else.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 13 October 2002 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean, if you're someone who's always been insecure about your identity with reference to the supposed counterculture (ie. your exclusion from it), then vice's rhetoric is difficult to defend against. here are people actively doing what most of us ostensibly *wish* we were: getting laid, getting drunk, having fun, fraternizing in art/music/film scenes that they've insinuated to be uncompromised + unwashed (therefore -> 'realer'), leading lives unbothered by hangups or guilt or consequence, living free from the rotten tyrany of 'overanalyzing'.

i'm sure some readers who secretly (or not so secretly) *want* that for themselves allow themselves to be bullied by vice's "what's one more?" con job. the (flawed) logic being: "i am a certain way, and this is my life. they are a certain way, and that is theirs. if i want elements of what they have, etc etc etc"

from where i stand, vice is a bunch of pretty and insanely charismatic (but ultimately vacuous) people using their assets to play against the desires of anyone else is who *not* definitively those things.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 13 October 2002 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

from where i stand, vice is a bunch of pretty and insanely charismatic (but ultimately vacuous) people using their assets to play against the desires of anyone else is who *not* definitively those things.

haha mark i think you've pretty much nailed momus' aesthetic right there.

(except maybe replace pretty with Clever.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

what they say:

"I said "at least they're white" about Williamsburg because it was funny."

"We’ve always felt that PC attitudes always hurt the people they’re trying to help. We believe words like “African American” and “East Indian” are just excuses for white, middle class, academic, liberals to patronize the working classes (of all races) and tell them how to speak."

"At worst it incites an angry debate on the power of words and what prejudice is really about."

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

did you ever notice how it's middle class, slumming academic liberals (i hesisitate to use "white") that foist the argument back onto us that PC speak is repressive/regressive (and it also conflicts with their creative uses for nihilism.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, stop being so gay.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

ps. "Ryan wears a shirt by Ben Sherman, pants by Dickies, shoes by Nike."

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

And the irony of it is that so-called politically correct language is repressive/regressive for the exact same reasons that co-opted hate speech is. "Spic" or "dyke" (said with one's tongue firmly planted in one's cheek) is neither more nor less decisive than bandying about hyphenated terms peppered with a sprinkling of "heritage". Or, for that matter, wearing an inverted pink triangle, reclaimed from Hitler's death camps. Either way one is reinforcing the concept of "racial" differences.

, Sunday, 13 October 2002 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i love vice, its really funny and they like good music

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 13 October 2002 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oy

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 October 2002 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

ethan your ability to vacillate between genius and idiocy astounds me.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I disagree. Ryan is in the Nan Goldin mold of selling pictures of his friends and his lifestyle. While that may be problematical when he gets to Corinne Day's level ('Oh Kate Moss is just my friend, I photograph her when she has her tampon in and just happens to be lying naked on my shitty carpet...'), for the time being it's refreshing. And instead of Corinne Day, he may quite possibly turn into a Wolfgang Tillmans figure.

Gee, Momus. Have you been around the art schools, man? I've got a feeling you have. There's about a bazillion people doing the exact same thing Ryan's doing. Ryan is aggressively mediocre at it, no less. The whole Tillmans/Goldman thing is a fucking yawn. It's no-talent no-vision scenester snapshot crap. This shit's got to die, and Vice is just feeding it. That's enough of an argument against Vice as it is, before you get into their dubious politics.

Let's get to the heart of the matter with Ryan McGinley: he's a cute guy and he knows who to pal around with, and who to sleep with. He's a clever and ambitious guy, and a total hack of an artist.

franky, Sunday, 13 October 2002 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

So are we to take it, Jess, that your position here is that words are *not* changed by context? That they have an intrinsic, objective, unchanging power to offend?

What makes me cringe is the "some of my best friends are [oppressed minority], therefore it's OKAY for us to use the word [epithet]" card the Vice guys try to play. And of course the reportage about being on the scene with Actual Real Live blacks/gays/dwarves makes the magazine seem so very real and trenchant. < /sarcasm>

I have to wonder how their "best friends" feel when Mr. Badass Vice Editor uses these epithets to their faces at a party or something -- I mean, mileage varies, but I wonder if they're perfectly cool with it, or whether they just grin and bear it while secretly feeling offended. All I know is how I'd feel -- uncomfortable.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 13 October 2002 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

man vice even isnt about this shit, you people need to chill

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 13 October 2002 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

ethan, shut up.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 13 October 2002 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

And maybe their defense is "Well, why do they feel offended? Aha! See, we're making them think!" But that puts Vice in a weird position of assumed superiority, as if they're saying "We're gonna use your word and if you're offended you're just a reactionary fool, so if you know what's good for you, you'll stay in your place and shut up."

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 13 October 2002 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay. Let's say you're Billy. You're young, pretty and gay, you make records and you live in NYC. You want coverage.

Magazine A decides to pass over your orientation in discreet silence, because 'it's about the music, man.' Mag A is read by some people for whom homosexuality is actually not an acceptable lifestyle option. And we don't want to put them off buying your records, do we? Because you might influence them towards your decadent metropolitan views if you don't push their faces in them. So shut up already and you might get somewhere, boy.

Magazine B is militantly liberal. It tries to feature as many 'minority' artists as it can, and push their 'agendas'. It wants to talk about you as a 'new gay voice' in music. All its questions seem to angle for anecdotes about how you've been discriminated against and beaten up. The article will be a form of cultural reparation. Hardcore queer activists will ask you to speak at rallies after reading this piece. Whoopee!

Magazine C -- written by people you see all the time around town, some of whom you may even have had casual sex with, you can't remember -- calls you an 'art fag'. Actually, that's what you call your boyfriend too.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 October 2002 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

How is this a defense of the magazine, though? All you're saying is that there's one hypothetical guy out there who doesn't mind being called an art fag if it'll help him sell records.

Jody Beth Rosen, Monday, 14 October 2002 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Words change their meaning in time, according to who speaks them, to whom, with what degree of irony, and with what general context of affection or opprobrium.

Vice magazine is run by people who have set their watches to the correct time, in terms of what words have what meanings to what people. This is why people who make money from trends are buying into them, and have been for a while. They are not affectionately calling, say, Larry Clark, 'pedo' in their articles. But they are calling people, affectionately, 'faggot'. This should tell you something about the word 'faggot' in the year 2002.

Resistance to the 'decriminalisation' of words like 'faggot' can be conservatism disguised as 'sensitivity'. Vice magazine is not conservative. Some people on this thread are.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 October 2002 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

vice is worth every penny. if vice is so awful, why are you haters giving it lip service? just ignore it and leave it around for those of us who like it to pick up.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 14 October 2002 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

vice is worth every penny.

Well, it's free, so there ya go.

Jody Beth Rosen, Monday, 14 October 2002 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

not to put too fine a point on it

felicity (felicity), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

nick the real difference between you and i isn't politics. it's that i've a. actually taken it in the ass from another man and b. never tried to play the Art Fag. i don't find the word faggot Hilarious or Disarming coming from a bunch of snotty, slumming middle class post-grads anymore than i do coming from a passing pickup truck. (i know this is hard to understand from your seat atop the ivory irony stick, but rednecks still don't like fags...i know, i know...i'll let you digest that one for a moment.) perhaps in a world where people don't get assaulted outside gay themed festivals in small "liberal" college towns the word faggot can bring us all closer together. this is quite the utopia, i'll admit.

felicity, do you like goebbles?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

given that I'm jewish, not especially, but I will defend your right to invoke him. I'm not afraid of words.

felicity (felicity), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

anyway, this is ridiculous. arguing with momus = pissing in the wind, and i'm hungry.

felicity, you know i was joking (since i am talking to you about it right now ha ha.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Two things.

1. One of Vice's contributing editors, Amy Kellner, a lesbian, DJs at an event called Art Fag Mondays in the Meat Packing District. She even named it.

2. We (and by 'we' I mean fags, non-fags, art fags and Vice readers) are a lot quicker and more creative when it comes to messing with language than Bushites in pickup trucks. So let's put the word 'faggot' more and more in a friendly context, and hear hostile uses of the word sounding increasingly lame. Eventually the hostiles will be forced to come up with a new term. It'll take them about ten years. Partly because they're not too smart. And partly because they believe that words do not change their meanings, and that the word 'faggot' is -- and will always be -- intrinsically insulting. They're wrong.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

momus you may have a kernel of a point in there, somewhere, i'll admit. but the fact that you call them "bushites" and think that the word faggot will lose its power or its appeal as a slur in ten years just reinforces how divorced from reality you actually are.

a lot of young black men call themselves niggers. would you walk into a room and do the same? even 10-20-30-40 years after the initiation of civil rights?

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

and can we - at some point - stop pretending that new york has anything to do with the rest of the u.s. except in a sort of geological time lag sense. (and somehow i dont think gay clubs in the meat packing district will be one of its great cultural exports to the heartlands in 10-20 years.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 October 2002 01:36 (nineteen years ago) link

One of Vice's contributing editors, Amy Kellner, a lesbian, DJs at an event called Art Fag Mondays in the Meat Packing District. She even named it.

First of all, and I don't know how apropos this is but I'll say it anyway, "contributing editor" is often just a vanity title given to famous writers and other "cool" people whose butts senior editors smooch in order to look hipper by association. Occasionally they'll write an article or something.

As Jess already stated -- just because a subculture has adopted an ironic usage of an otherwise loaded word DOESN'T MEAN that the word is inoffensive anymore. YES there are gonna be some "fags" here and there who don't give a shit how the word is used, but it's not really fair to use those people as proof that IT'S OKAY to go around using hot-button words like that.

Jody Beth Rosen, Monday, 14 October 2002 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The real reason to hate Vice is not because of its politics, but because some dumb cunt named Abby has her bootleg Canal Street ear rings showing up in the next issue. Fuck that fucking cunt ass bitch fucking slut twat fucker. Fuck her and her horse. I hope she dies and never has children because if she does I will fully doubt any possible existance of a benevolent god.

Fuck You Abby, Monday, 14 October 2002 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know, it seems like the same old hipster-posing-as-fratboy crap that's been around for years, like Punk Magazine, Don't Be a Faggot-era Beastie Boys, Forced Exposure. But with more money and a better fashion sense. Whooptie doo. Occasionally funny and I love all the pictures of the cute kids out at clubs, but most of the writing is just obnoxious. And yes, they seem a bit too impressed with their anti-PC shennanigans. Yawn.

In other words, Michael Daddino was absolutely right.

That Albini quote is so WRONG it's, I don't know, cute. "Anyone involved"? Like, did he ever go to a Bad Brains show? Were the gay and punk subcultures really intermingled anywhere outside of NY, London and LA, especially after the first couple of years?

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 14 October 2002 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

momus, stop being such a crazy faggot.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 14 October 2002 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

(yup. looks pretty harsh to me.)

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 14 October 2002 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Shift, which came out of the same Montreal scene as Vice, is also a good magazine. I certainly don't say that Vice is the only magazine anyone should read. Balance it out with a whole bunch of other stuff, by all means.

Personally, I find the insistence on skate culture in Vice and Tokion and some other mags a little silly. But that may be a generational thing.

On the question of 'the revaluation of all values', nobody has made the smart objection to my argument, which is that recontextualising insults is a reactive stance, and allows the enemy to set the terms of the debate.

And the answer to that is... but I'm typing this in a computer store in Ginza. Must dash.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 October 2002 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(I'm curious about the supposedly non-gross beginnings of the magazine. Did anyone here read it before the late nineties?)

one way street, Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:24 (five years ago) link

Yeah my perception was they were more gross at the onset, making a point of being "politically incorrect" etc

Treeship, Thursday, 18 February 2016 00:53 (five years ago) link

VICE began as part of a welfare program by the Canadian government

http://i.skyrock.net/3868/16033868/pics/594077655_small.jpg

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:00 (five years ago) link

Oh, I definitely remember their early-oughts issues being rife with "ironic" racism/transphobia/homophobia/misogyny; I'm just curious whether that was their tack from their beginnings as a Montreal community zine. (I mean, Gavin McInnes was there from the beginning, so I kind of can't expect too much of their early years.)
Xp

one way street, Thursday, 18 February 2016 01:02 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

http://i.imgur.com/EdAkTSc.png
lol what is Vice anymore?? the only thing that i click on anymore is the foodie stuff

Forever LXI (rip van wanko), Thursday, 14 April 2016 17:33 (five years ago) link

Viceland the TV channel is unnerving. Aside from Action Bronson every show sounds the same, every host has the same bored, disaffected tone.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 14 April 2016 17:40 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

since when are personal, private tax returns subject to FOIA requests

VICE is such a shitty, stupid operation

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 22:56 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.viceland.com/en_us/video/molecular-marijuana/5848830b7d3c36935920d070

Viceland has a weed cooking show. With the most annoying Top Chef contestant on the first episode, they may have reached Peak Vice.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 15 December 2016 04:58 (four years ago) link

The idea of multi-course edibles meals with THC infused wine is absolutely terrifying to me - edibles are so touchy about dose anyway and wouldn't start to hit until after you were two more courses in.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 15 December 2016 04:59 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

wow

maura, Friday, 3 February 2017 00:18 (four years ago) link

Putting that Murdoch cash to good use.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 3 February 2017 01:00 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Uh @VICE not to edit-shame you or anything but the author of this article put herself in the article as a subject pic.twitter.com/YjlRAmNPN7

— Anna Merlan (@annamerlan) May 19, 2017

hustlin

mookieproof, Friday, 19 May 2017 15:14 (four years ago) link

lmao

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 19 May 2017 15:17 (four years ago) link

Seeing loads of articles about how drinking alcohol and taking drugs are bad for you coming from Vice recently, what's up with that

Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 15:21 (four years ago) link

court mandated following the coke bust

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 19 May 2017 15:40 (four years ago) link

Ahhhh that's interesting

Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 19 May 2017 15:47 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I know people are tired of VICE, but "Nirvanna The Band The Show" is an excellent mockumentary/sitcom. By that I mean the main actors try to set up a gig at the Rivioli and in the process devise all manners of publicity stunts that involve real citizens/non-actors. It hits a groove by its third episode, but it's a rare Canadian sitcom that is this truly funny or inventive. With 3 seasons planned, I imagine it will gain traction eventually.

Unchanging Window (Ross), Friday, 2 June 2017 20:58 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Vice Sports shut down today, also Thump, possibly more?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 July 2017 17:23 (four years ago) link

Thump was hit or miss but I'm sad if it's shutting down

mh, Friday, 21 July 2017 17:25 (four years ago) link

I was to understand the Vice empire was worth billions of dollars

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:38 (four years ago) link

Does anyone else have a problem with their pages loading?....maybe I'm better off..

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:44 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Welp

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:08 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Nirvanna the band the show is in season 2 and curiously slept on. Mining the early 90s hard (especially 1990-93) for movie/pop culture references, it's a situational comedy like curb in spirit but the mockumentary out-in-the-streets moments make it a thing of its own. Highly recommended

In a slipshod style (Ross), Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:39 (three years ago) link

I'm really interested in this show - Ross, should I watch the web series first or start with the first TV series?

NI, Thursday, 30 November 2017 22:30 (three years ago) link

fuck these people and their garbage programming

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 November 2017 22:33 (three years ago) link

shakey, i understand that sentiment and agree for the most part, but this show is good and just marred by the vice name.

NI - start with the tv series, web series isn't as good or fleshed out, can always go backwards later :)

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 1 December 2017 04:16 (three years ago) link

Something's up

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/30/media/vice-media-firings-workplace-conduct/index.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 December 2017 04:17 (three years ago) link

xp it's not just the name, when you watch it they get money

sleeve, Friday, 1 December 2017 04:21 (three years ago) link

^ fair point sleeve

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 1 December 2017 04:29 (three years ago) link

Vice now just seems like "Internet Content, But With A Sneer(TM)"

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 13:54 (three years ago) link

That wasn't intended to be related to sexual harassment allegations, which I also agree are not surprising.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 13:55 (three years ago) link

xxxp, good job torrents exist then. Thanks Ross, will do that.

NI, Sunday, 3 December 2017 22:32 (three years ago) link

if you're not a ratings-reporting household, then watching on TV sends them no money

though if you do have the option of sending them a message that the specific content you approve of should be their focus, then watching it is a good way of doing that

or writing a letter to Spike Jonze I guess

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 4 December 2017 02:29 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

if anyone at vice wants to anonymously send me the things they wish they could tweet right now i'll just fire 'em off for ya

— Robyn Kanner (@robynkanner) December 23, 2017

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 December 2017 10:08 (three years ago) link

The NYT article apparently barely scratched the surface.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 24 December 2017 10:09 (three years ago) link

that thread is just... ugh. what a caravan of sleazers, operating in open view.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Sunday, 24 December 2017 14:12 (three years ago) link

?

kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 24 December 2017 14:13 (three years ago) link

I mean the Vice higher-ups behaving so sleazily.

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Sunday, 24 December 2017 14:24 (three years ago) link

so much of this discussion reminds me of riot grrrl imagery -- where they attempted to establish a 'look' for themselves placing traditional female imagery and once-derogatory slogans into the context of punk rock clothing started off as sly commentary, but were soon co-opted by companies looking to make a buck off 'princess' and 'i stole your boyfriend' t-shirts for 11-year-olds. (see also: the wholesale erasure-of-SLUT-from-bare-midriff that made gwen stefani so initially successful.)

so wouldn't that sort of cycle be eventually repeated if the arguments momus espouses hold true -- and wouldn't the underlying message of these mass-marketed uses of these words, then, also mutate into an affirmation of already-existing prejuidices that are held by the majority of americans, for the simple purpose of making as many dollars as possible?

― maura (maura), Monday, October 14, 2002 12:26 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn

omar little, Sunday, 24 December 2017 15:06 (three years ago) link

there it is

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 24 December 2017 18:26 (three years ago) link

capital gonna capital

maura, Sunday, 24 December 2017 19:05 (three years ago) link

the rise of the alt right, explained

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 24 December 2017 20:36 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

lol even the Viceland sex show (Slutever) had to have a weed episode

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 19 February 2018 01:18 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEWpvc1XoAEmiZl?format=png&name=small

mookieproof, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:40 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

whoops

i warned you about colorization bro. i told u dawg https://t.co/7N007t2zwV

— bunny yeager air combat (@3liza) April 10, 2021


https://www.vice.com/en/article/epngbe/editorial-statement-regarding-photographs-of-khmer-rouge-victims

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 11 April 2021 19:49 (six months ago) link

Wtf did this dude think he was doing?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:20 (six months ago) link


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