My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive: THE FLASH tv show

Yeah I guessed Eddie might kill himself, but I thought the outcome would be Reverse flash couldn't return to HIS future now - that there'd be no place for him in that year as his family etc didn't exist in ANY form, making him truly a man out of time. But instead I get to spend the summer wondering does this mean Harrison wells is alive and if so doesn't that mean Barry's mom is alive and if so doesn't that mean etc etc

I'd hope they'd just rush through explaining the consequences they've decided in the season premiere and stop talking about time travel in season 2 but legends of tomorrow suggests otherwise.

The presence of martin and lack of Ronnie in the legends trailer has me worried Ronnie is in a coma after that shock, meaning he only moves around when the prof turns him into firestorm

i was amused that martin and ronnie made no move whatsoever to help barry try to close the rift at the end of the episode, just stood there gawping like a couple of dummies instead of firestormin' up

Wait was Ronnie in that final shot?

Cuz then there goes my theory

i could have sworn he was but i'm doubting myself now...

I hadn't heard about Legends of Tomorrow until just now, but considering the trailer a guy from the future who protects timelines I figure all this paradox stuff will be cleaned up

Has

Finally watched the last episode. I really wish that people who write time travel stories would sit with the thing for a little while and make sure that the rules of time travel within their particular story have an internal consistency. It might just be my own personal bugbear, but it drives me nuts. And even beyond the mechanics of the time travel, the motivations for people's actions and decisions were just all over the place and...outright stupid at times?

So, yeah, not crazy about the finale.

the time travel storylines have felt sloppy and dangerous ever since flash ran back in time and didn't co-exist with his other self. but let's not forget what this show IS good at...the feels. oh my god, barry and his mom, barry and joe...SO MANY FEELINGS

my wife is still mourning eddie. this is the only superhero thing she has any time for (unless you count Lego Batman), and was really sad to see one of her "sweet goober" go

He was like a golden retriever with a badge.

Yes, the feels were good. I did get a little choked up when the Flash had the chance to say goodbye to his mom.

'golden retriver with a badge' otm

eddie dying really highlighted for me one of the strengths of this show, which is that the heroes and supporting cast are genuinely good people - barry, eddie, joe, henry, cisco and caitlin are all honest, upright people trying to do the best they can for the good of others. the lack of a dark side to this show's main characters is part of what made it so fun and refreshing. even wells had his moments, like his paternal scenes with barry and cisco.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-the-flash-multiple-universes/

"What's fun about this show is that there's going to be multiple timelines as we move forward," Gustin says. "I think we're going to start showing Earth-One and Earth-Two in the near future. There will be kind of different dimensions going on."

kinda scared about this - hoped Legends Of Tomorrow could take over the timeline talk and let Flash focus on rebooting the scooby crew post-Eobard.

i assumed maybe that rival of wells would take over star labs (maybe eobard had the place on auto-billpay) and/or hire caitlin and cisco.

though i guess since the timeshit is already getting wonky and confusing, assuming they keep the feels a-comin', they can just let the timeshit get crazier and more confusing until barry has to crisis it up

So they're really going run with this possible worlds thing.

Not gonna lie, I was fanboying like fuck when they did the 'Flash Of Two Worlds' cover.

I'm into it! If nothing else, it's a good excuse to bring on more bad guys.

Also probably means anyone who died last season is coming back

Michael Ironside = :D
How old Michael Ironside looks = ;_;

Funny, I just started watching Masters fo Sex at the time the season started and the Casanova doctor from that is Jay Garrick in this.

Is Jay Garrick the son of a WWII era hero, or is there more of the old costume than the hat anyway? That is to say the helmet is part of teh Golden Age Flash costume isn't it? I've not really followed DC so not totally up with who's in what team but I do remember seeing a Flash in that costume as one of the Justice League or Justice Society of Americas and I think they were from a parallel world though I'm not sure if they were then present day or sometime in the future. May have been late 70s or sometime in the 80s when I came across what ever comic that was in. & the whole structure of what fist where may have changed massively since then.
Is it DC that has double figures of significant parallel Earths? Each one of which has some tie to the present day of whichever teh main Earth is?

Jay Garrick is the Golden Age Flash, and is therefore in JSA. This puts him on Earth 2, since the Silver Age and in a different way in the Johnsiverse.

DC currently has 52 universes (and look, there are 52 wormholes in Flash...) which is several hundred less than Marvel ("our universe is 616, for example).

Yeah, thought he seemed a bit young to be active during WWII but apparently there were reasons for that.

This week's episode had a 10-second look at Gorilla City on Earth-2. Gorilla City! THere is nothing so silly that this show is above it, and it's great.

haha I gotta catch up with this

(So is this the thread for discussing Legends of Tomorrow?)

gave up after 3 episodes. only really enjoy cpt cold and sarah.

the bar fight in the pilot is p cool

how so?

i've only seen the first couple of episodes so far - they're okay but it's not quite the thrill-powered adventure i was hoping for. captain cold and heatwave's scenery-chewing partnership is my favourite element. kinda bugs me that the white canary's costume is really more of a dirty beige though!

This show is turning into Fringe Jr.

the crossover episode with supergirl was pretty fun!

I thought it was kind of a wasted opportunity... The episode focused too much on the ongoing Supergirl subplots and her villains, so Barry didn't have much to do in it. I wish they'd just straight adapted one of the famous Flash/Superman races from the comics, as the promo poster suggested... Now all we got was a slight nod towards those stories at the end of the episode.

And that wasn't meant to be a diss towards the Supergirl, IMO it's the best of the new DC shows on telly. It's just that I expected the crossover to be more equal towards both characters and their shows, maybe with a team-up between villains from each one too.

Also, on the Legends of Tomorrow tip, I think the quality of that series has improved notably during the last few episodes, as they've managed to do some interesting and unexpected character development for most of the protagonists. It's still not as good as Flash or Supergirl, but at least it isn't Arrow-level corny anymore.

yeah, legends definitely started shakily but it's getting better all the time

i'm not massively enthused by supergirl overall but melissa benoist is really good

wow, a lot going on in that last episode. not sure how they're going to write themselves out of the corner those last few minutes painted them into...

also GODDAMIT BARRY STOP TRYING TO FUCK YR SISTER

perhaps you have not seen his sister

also I totally love this show, and I'm glad supergirl is moving over to CW. the crossover was pretty weak but I imagine this makes it more likely that we'll have more. and maybe barry's screwing with the past is going to have ramifactions across Earths. I dunno.

SPOILERzzz

finding a way to get john wesley shipp to play the flash again was pretty clever - i totally didn't see the jay garrick reveal coming. he looks great in the costume!

it'd be good to have him around a bit more - it was super-weird that the first thing barry's dad did after getting out of prison was fuck off to live in a woodland cabin instead of, y'know, hanging out with the son he was away from for so long.

this season was a bit more uneven than the first one but i still liked it quite a bit and i genuinely have no idea where they're going next. hopefully the showrunners do!

I didn't even realize that aboug john wesley shipp until just now, having never watched that one season series. that's pretty cool; I like how this generation of DC series has brought back actors from the past (dean cain on supergirl, etc)

amanda pays and mark hamill were both in the 90s show too - playing the same characters they do in the new show!

I liked most of the season 2, but IMO the finale had too many deus ex machina type of situations, so it felt kinda rushed and definitely as good as the season 1 finale. First you had Zoom's doomsday machine, which had barely even been hinted at before this episode (the only clue was Cisco's vague visions in the pentultimate ep); how did this guy, who we know is violent psychopath who's spent most of his life in solitary confinement, even possess the scientific genius to build the machine? All his previous plans had been fairly simple and brutal (I'll kidnap someone and force the Flash to give me his speed! I'll bring all the metahumans from Earth-2 to tear shit down on Earth-1!), so this kinda superscience solution was totally out of character.

Then there was the whole time remnant thing which, sure, had been established before, but it doesn't make sense at all if you think about it a bit. So, Barry travels a couple of minutes back in time, so that there's two of him, and one Barry sacrifices himself... But if the one who died was the time traveling Barry, then once the other reaches the point where he has to time travel to create the copy, there'd be no Barry left. And if the one who died was the non-time travelling version, then the time-travelling version should disappear, because he couldn't exist anymore, just like Eobard Thawne disappared in the season 1 finale. So in any case, the end result should be that Barry died.

And the time wraiths were pretty much a deus ex machina too... Okay, they'd been established before, but the fact they were specifically after Zoom, and the reason for that, were only mentioned like 15 minutes before they took him. So it felt a bit anticlimactic.

finding a way to get john wesley shipp to play the flash again was pretty clever - i totally didn't see the jay garrick reveal coming.

I don't want to to sound condescending, but I thought the reveal was very easy to guess. We knew that the guy in the iron mask was a superhuman (since he was in one of those special cells), and obviously the writers wouldn't have given him the mask if he wasn't some familiar face, so that the unmasking would be a big twist. Throughout the season, most of the candidates who he could be were ruled out one by one, because we saw them while he was still in the cell: he couldn't be the Earth-2 version of Joe, Cisco, or Barry, nor the Earth-1 version of Hunter Zolomon. So the only real candidates left were alternate versions of Wally and Henry Allen, and when a Henry mentioned his mom's maiden name was Garrick a couple of eps before the finale, it was pretty obvious who the masked man would turn out to be.

And after it was revealed Zoom wasn't really Jay Garrick, it was reasonable to assume they'de eventually introduce the actual Jay, so it wasn't hard to guess the masked man was Jay, who was also his universe's version of Henry.

the crossover episode with supergirl was pretty fun!

― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, April 8, 2016 1:03 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally missed this and there is no mention of it in the Flash as far as I can see so had to look it up when I saw mentionon this thread.
It's in episode 18 of Supergirl an episode called World's Finest if anybody else has missed it.

& since it is him guesting in her show I guess it does make sense taht they continue purely with plots from her story rather tahn introducing the baggage from his.

There was a very brief scene in one Flash episode to indicate where the crossover was supposed to have taken place, but if you hadn't seen the Supergirl ep, you wouldn't have noticed it.

The crossover itself was okay, but also a kind of a missed opportunity. They were juggling too many balls (mostly relating to Supes' own ongoing plot) for one episode, so it didn't feel as epic as it should've... But Supergirl will move to the same network as Flash and Arrow and LoT next autumn, so there'll be more crossovers coming up.

Next season they've promised to do mega-crossover between all four DC shows! I guess Crisis on Infinite Earths is not too far in the horizon. (They already homaged Flash's sacrifice in it in the season 2 finale.)

We're catching up on Legends of Tomorrow pretty much from the beginning, and it's been pretty fun so far. I said something offhand about how I thought the dude playing Vandal Savage was really good, and my gf was like ehhh he kinda oversells it, and I said yeah but he's supposed to be like borderline bestial because in his comics incarnation he's an immortal Neanderthal, and she gives me a look like 'oh, come the fuck on'. And I'm like, 'really? that's where you draw the line?' and I remind her what show she's watching.

wentworth miller and dominic purcell's utterly shameless hamming as captain cold and heatwave is my favourite thing about that show