My name is Barry Allen and I'm the fastest man alive: THE FLASH tv show

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so i think this show has earned its own thread.

this week, in the last episode before the season break, the reverse-flash made his first full appearance, partially solving the mystery of 'who killed barry allen's mother?' set up in the first episode.

the reveal of the reverse-flash, which comic book readers will have seen coming a long time ago, nonetheless came way faster than i was expecting it to. the show has maintained an appropriately breakneck pace over the nine episodes so far, bringing in new supervillains nearly every episode and throwing in gleeful references to the dc universe which might pay off further down the line.

they've even found time for a full-blown crossover episode with arrow, complete with the classic 'heroes fight each other' trope, after a supporting character from that show made an appearance earlier in the season.

i wasn't expecting much from this show - i watched the first few episodes of arrow when they aired and wrote it off as a try-hard imitation of batman begins. but the first episode of this grabbed me and i've really enjoyed every one since. i've even gone back and started working my way through arrow, which definitely gets better as it goes along.

i mentioned elsewhere on ilx about how weird it is that dc's tv and film universes are being kept completely separate and will eventually have different actors playing the same characters, while marvel's shows and movies are tightly woven together. in some ways i think the flash and arrow doing their own thing is actually for the best, because man of steel seemed actively embarrassed about being a superhero movie, but the flash is admirably unapologetic about how comic-booky it is. it has costumes and codenames and honest-to-goodness superpowers which actually look pretty good on a tv-show budget, and they seem to be having a fantastic time rifling through the dc comics playset without having keep big stories aside to be used in the movies.

so, who else is watching?

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 09:52 (two years ago) Permalink

I didn't know this is being made again, quite like to see it. I remember the one from the 90s (?), how do both compare?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 12 December 2014 10:19 (two years ago) Permalink

they've both got john wesley shipp in them! and amanda pays showed up in the most recent episode playing the same character she played in the earlier show.

i don't remember much about the 90s show, tbh, other than the slightly ridiculous suit and that the first show seemed reluctant to introduce supervillains until mark hammill showed up as the trickster.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 10:26 (two years ago) Permalink

I love this show, but then I'm a sucker for the flash and always have been. It existing has made Arrow better too, and they work really well as a pair.

Haven't seen the fall finale, but I've been expecting Revese Flash for a long time. The only question was, was it going to be Eddie Thawne?

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 12 December 2014 10:40 (two years ago) Permalink

well, that question does at least appear to be answered by the end of the episode...

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 10:54 (two years ago) Permalink

they also did a good job of making the reverse flash look properly weird and villainous, too.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 11:04 (two years ago) Permalink

the first show seemed reluctant to introduce supervillains until mark hammill showed up as the trickster.

Which makes it great that Hamill's announced he's coming BACK to the new show as the Trickster, which is kinda amazing, really!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:44 (two years ago) Permalink

wait, what?! i must have missed that!

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:45 (two years ago) Permalink

question does at least appear to be answered by the end of the episode

Kinda except the "why didn't he kill me?" question felt sort of leading, and there's definitely some barry/eddie animosity being set up at this point.

This is the most fun show on tv at the moment though, yep.

JimD, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:51 (two years ago) Permalink

i wonder if iris' mum's missing ring from this episode will end up being a significant element in the time-travel plot they're setting up.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 12:58 (two years ago) Permalink

I've idly watched a few episodes of this - its not bad (I'm sure it's better than anything Snyder's ever done). It does feel a bit like Buffy-does-police-procedural as someone else noted. It doesn't feel particularly smart or emotionally engaging but as fluff goes it's not bad.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 17:42 (two years ago) Permalink

it does get the tone of the DC universe right - there's this mix of playfulness and archetypal stuff, which is what I appreciate most about DC

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 17:43 (two years ago) Permalink

wait, what?! i must have missed that!

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/exclusive-mark-hamill-to-play-the-trickster-again-on-the-flash

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 December 2014 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

cool, cheers ned

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 19:49 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm like four episodes behind but I LOVE IT SO MUUUUUUUUUUUUCH

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 20:31 (two years ago) Permalink

What's the take on jumping in without having seen a second of Arrow? My girlfriend is keen to check it out, but I'm anal and kinda want to watch Arrow first. What do I do?

Mr. Bojangus (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 December 2014 20:36 (two years ago) Permalink

i love how much time they spend experimenting with and geeking out over his powers - patiently approaching them with scientific curiosity instead of suggesting he's captain kick-ass over night. i love that they've made him a lovestruck dingus but one that could acknowledge genuine chemistry with that hacker from Arrow. equally earnest and enthusiastic - the energy is very "with great fun comes great responsibility." always hated tom cavanagh in tv lead roles but he's SO GREAT as the big bad, his smarm now clicks with his character's untrustworthiness. One of the "don't trust the prof" epilogues involved GORILLA GRODD. I dunno if they talk about it in a later episode yet but i love how on top of everything else A SUPERSMART GORILLA has been promised.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 20:37 (two years ago) Permalink

i saw only the first half of the first episode of arrow and hated it. it's honestly no more crucial than it would be to read a whole other comic just for the occasional tie-in

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 20:38 (two years ago) Permalink

i am gonna check out the 2nd season arrow sometime though and then double back maybe

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 20:38 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I heard Arrow doesn't get really good until towards the end of the first season.

Mr. Bojangus (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 December 2014 20:41 (two years ago) Permalink

I haven't watched Arrow at all and have had no trouble following The Flash.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Friday, 12 December 2014 20:49 (two years ago) Permalink

I initially figured Flash was pretty much separate until they did a crossover episode so early in its first season and I didn't know what I believed anymore.

Mr. Bojangus (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 December 2014 20:50 (two years ago) Permalink

i'm on episode 5 or 6 of arrow season 2 at the moment and it's been consistently good for a little while but yeah, it was a bit of a slog to start with.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 21:13 (two years ago) Permalink

as implied by my ecstacy over the word "GRODD" i also love the little hints at DC lore to come, i.e. the dead Star Labs dude being named Ronnie Raymond

from what i understand barry allen made friends with arrow when visiting keystone city, then got powers, but lives in central city so they're more like facebook buddies than co-workers

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:22 (two years ago) Permalink

if this and arrow keep up the good buzz i think there's a very good chance that DC will wake up and incorporate these guys into film justice league plans. Unless Ezra Miller is all over BatSupes they've certainly got the time to come around and realize film/tv synergy wouldn't be a bad thing

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:23 (two years ago) Permalink

honestly grant gustin could be a bonafide celeb by the time the hypothetical flash movie is due to appear

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:25 (two years ago) Permalink

lol would love to see Grodd on this show

I haven't watched Arrow at all, totally inessential viewing in respect to the Flash

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:37 (two years ago) Permalink

as much as i love the dc lore/rogues gallery stuff, i think the thing that really stands out is how his power isn't a problem but the way OUT of his problems. even spidey in the films always acts like being spidey kinda sucks, barry allen's a well-intentioned dude who wants to help people and now can in ways that thrill him both physically and mentally.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 22:59 (two years ago) Permalink

true, he is refreshingly angst-free.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:02 (two years ago) Permalink

it's weird/sad because I always stress to my daughter that Superman is not the greatest superhero because he is the most powerful, but because he always does the right thing. He's an ideal. But most contemporary superhero films depict superheroes doing the right thing almost incidentally - their real motivations are usually guilt or anger or some "this time it's PERSONAL" vendetta type thing. I'm so sick of that.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:04 (two years ago) Permalink

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Funny you say that given the dead mother retcon that spawned half the series' major plot points thus far.

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:06 (two years ago) Permalink

I mean I like the show but a lot of it serves to remind me why I don't read DC comics anymore

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:07 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah he's still an orphan who can't tell a girl how he feels, it's just that being The Flash is a win rather than a burden.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:07 (two years ago) Permalink

I've noticed references to that (the case is unsolved or something) but most of that's gone by me or I missed it

maybe this is worth watching w my daughter actually, it's had a pretty tame tone iirc

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Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:08 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah my niece loves it but she's a Glee transplant and was sold at Gustin, that being said I can see it taking dark turns in search of gravitas in future seasons.

tsrobodo, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:13 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah his mom was killed by the reverse-flash (not a spoiler if you know what the reverse-flash looks like), with his dad thrown in jail by the weepy-eyed detective who then raised him. so it is personal but it hasn't stopped him from being a pleasant goober boy scout.

xpost yeah i'm worried the tone could change on a dime, esp if there's a change in management.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:15 (two years ago) Permalink

he named his quiz team E=MC Hammer

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:17 (two years ago) Permalink

i also love that cisco looks like he could have teleported in from any hacker show over the last twenty-five years

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:18 (two years ago) Permalink

he also looks like he could be taylor lautner's dorky cousin

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:20 (two years ago) Permalink

has jesse l martin always looked like he's about to cry? i never noticed that until this show. granted his character has a million to reasons to be catching feelings at any moment.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:23 (two years ago) Permalink

dude was a single parent to his daughter and his friend's son, said friend being put in jail for murdering his wife only it turns out the wife was murdered by someone with the same magical powers the kid now uses to risk his life constantly. meanwhile the kid really wants to fuck his daughter but can't because his daughter is fucking his partner.

da croupier, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:27 (two years ago) Permalink

I like this show a lot. It's generally been better than Arrow's season 3 so far (whose story arc for this season only really started in the 9th episode) and certainly off to a better start than Arrow's season 1.

It's fun and joyous and the supporting characters are all fantastic aside from poor Iris who really needs something to do that isn't obsessing over the Flash or being lovey dovey with Eddie. Yeah okay so bad stuff happens sometimes and Barry Allen's childhood was traumatic but it's nice that hasn't been used as a reason to make another tormented hero in the vein of Oliver Queen or Nolan's Batman. Nothing wrong with those characters, it's just refreshing to have some contrast/variation.

salsa shark, Saturday, 13 December 2014 12:38 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

ahahaha "absolute hot"

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Thursday, 22 January 2015 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

"It's so hot, it's like, 'How much more hot could this be?' And the answer is, none. None more hot."

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 January 2015 19:10 (two years ago) Permalink

man those cops were lucky cap'n cold shot his freeze ray directly at their shields rather than their almost entirely exposed legs

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:31 (two years ago) Permalink

gotta get the clock man to team up with 'em for the full prison break reunion.

pandemic, Friday, 23 January 2015 12:25 (two years ago) Permalink

and peter stormare's playing count vertigo over in arrow!

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 23 January 2015 12:50 (two years ago) Permalink

xp that closing shot of the last episode, with the non-reveal of whoever Wentorth Miller greeted with, "Hi, sis," my wife said "If that's Sara Tancredi I'm out."

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Friday, 23 January 2015 13:52 (two years ago) Permalink

That'd be Lisa Snart, the secret identity of The Golden Glider.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Felt unusually poorly written, between the exposition-heavy dialogue (admittedly its the mid-season premiere), cold's unexplained relish for the corniest villain speak (really needed someone to call him out) and little bits like jesse l Martin saying he's going to give iris and Barry time alone, only we pan back after the convo and see he just went to the couch directly behind them.

I'm not really looking for people to point out corn, cliche and plot holes in earlier episodes. There was still bits I dug and it pushed the plot forward, this was just the first time I was distracted by flaws.

da croupier, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:27 (two years ago) Permalink

wow, a lot going on in that last episode. not sure how they're going to write themselves out of the corner those last few minutes painted them into...

also GODDAMIT BARRY STOP TRYING TO FUCK YR SISTER

benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 29 May 2016 13:03 (one year ago) Permalink

perhaps you have not seen his sister

akm, Sunday, 29 May 2016 17:48 (one year ago) Permalink

also I totally love this show, and I'm glad supergirl is moving over to CW. the crossover was pretty weak but I imagine this makes it more likely that we'll have more. and maybe barry's screwing with the past is going to have ramifactions across Earths. I dunno.

akm, Sunday, 29 May 2016 18:41 (one year ago) Permalink

SPOILERzzz

finding a way to get john wesley shipp to play the flash again was pretty clever - i totally didn't see the jay garrick reveal coming. he looks great in the costume!

it'd be good to have him around a bit more - it was super-weird that the first thing barry's dad did after getting out of prison was fuck off to live in a woodland cabin instead of, y'know, hanging out with the son he was away from for so long.

this season was a bit more uneven than the first one but i still liked it quite a bit and i genuinely have no idea where they're going next. hopefully the showrunners do!

benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 29 May 2016 19:18 (one year ago) Permalink

I didn't even realize that aboug john wesley shipp until just now, having never watched that one season series. that's pretty cool; I like how this generation of DC series has brought back actors from the past (dean cain on supergirl, etc)

akm, Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:11 (one year ago) Permalink

amanda pays and mark hamill were both in the 90s show too - playing the same characters they do in the new show!

benzarro ghazarri (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 29 May 2016 20:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I liked most of the season 2, but IMO the finale had too many deus ex machina type of situations, so it felt kinda rushed and definitely as good as the season 1 finale. First you had Zoom's doomsday machine, which had barely even been hinted at before this episode (the only clue was Cisco's vague visions in the pentultimate ep); how did this guy, who we know is violent psychopath who's spent most of his life in solitary confinement, even possess the scientific genius to build the machine? All his previous plans had been fairly simple and brutal (I'll kidnap someone and force the Flash to give me his speed! I'll bring all the metahumans from Earth-2 to tear shit down on Earth-1!), so this kinda superscience solution was totally out of character.

Then there was the whole time remnant thing which, sure, had been established before, but it doesn't make sense at all if you think about it a bit. So, Barry travels a couple of minutes back in time, so that there's two of him, and one Barry sacrifices himself... But if the one who died was the time traveling Barry, then once the other reaches the point where he has to time travel to create the copy, there'd be no Barry left. And if the one who died was the non-time travelling version, then the time-travelling version should disappear, because he couldn't exist anymore, just like Eobard Thawne disappared in the season 1 finale. So in any case, the end result should be that Barry died.

And the time wraiths were pretty much a deus ex machina too... Okay, they'd been established before, but the fact they were specifically after Zoom, and the reason for that, were only mentioned like 15 minutes before they took him. So it felt a bit anticlimactic.

finding a way to get john wesley shipp to play the flash again was pretty clever - i totally didn't see the jay garrick reveal coming.

I don't want to to sound condescending, but I thought the reveal was very easy to guess. We knew that the guy in the iron mask was a superhuman (since he was in one of those special cells), and obviously the writers wouldn't have given him the mask if he wasn't some familiar face, so that the unmasking would be a big twist. Throughout the season, most of the candidates who he could be were ruled out one by one, because we saw them while he was still in the cell: he couldn't be the Earth-2 version of Joe, Cisco, or Barry, nor the Earth-1 version of Hunter Zolomon. So the only real candidates left were alternate versions of Wally and Henry Allen, and when a Henry mentioned his mom's maiden name was Garrick a couple of eps before the finale, it was pretty obvious who the masked man would turn out to be.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 May 2016 07:16 (one year ago) Permalink

And after it was revealed Zoom wasn't really Jay Garrick, it was reasonable to assume they'de eventually introduce the actual Jay, so it wasn't hard to guess the masked man was Jay, who was also his universe's version of Henry.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 May 2016 08:46 (one year ago) Permalink

the crossover episode with supergirl was pretty fun!

― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Friday, April 8, 2016 1:03 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally missed this and there is no mention of it in the Flash as far as I can see so had to look it up when I saw mentionon this thread.
It's in episode 18 of Supergirl an episode called World's Finest if anybody else has missed it.

& since it is him guesting in her show I guess it does make sense taht they continue purely with plots from her story rather tahn introducing the baggage from his.

Stevolende, Monday, 30 May 2016 13:23 (one year ago) Permalink

There was a very brief scene in one Flash episode to indicate where the crossover was supposed to have taken place, but if you hadn't seen the Supergirl ep, you wouldn't have noticed it.

The crossover itself was okay, but also a kind of a missed opportunity. They were juggling too many balls (mostly relating to Supes' own ongoing plot) for one episode, so it didn't feel as epic as it should've... But Supergirl will move to the same network as Flash and Arrow and LoT next autumn, so there'll be more crossovers coming up.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 May 2016 14:36 (one year ago) Permalink

Next season they've promised to do mega-crossover between all four DC shows! I guess Crisis on Infinite Earths is not too far in the horizon. (They already homaged Flash's sacrifice in it in the season 2 finale.)

Tuomas, Monday, 30 May 2016 14:44 (one year ago) Permalink

We're catching up on Legends of Tomorrow pretty much from the beginning, and it's been pretty fun so far. I said something offhand about how I thought the dude playing Vandal Savage was really good, and my gf was like ehhh he kinda oversells it, and I said yeah but he's supposed to be like borderline bestial because in his comics incarnation he's an immortal Neanderthal, and she gives me a look like 'oh, come the fuck on'. And I'm like, 'really? that's where you draw the line?' and I remind her what show she's watching.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 June 2016 15:20 (one year ago) Permalink

wentworth miller and dominic purcell's utterly shameless hamming as captain cold and heatwave is my favourite thing about that show

Trump is dong (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 June 2016 15:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Sadly the last couple of episodes of LoT were a disappointment, after the series had picked up some steam after the meh beginning. There where way many too many plot twists where they basically introduced new rules for time travel while ignoring the previously established ones. The worst example is the way they defeat Savage...
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...because it makes no sense within general rules of fictional time travel, nor within the rules they'd established for this series, plus if you think about it logically, even after the heroes' "victory", there should be at least one version of Savage still at large. So basically they achieved jackshit!

Tuomas, Thursday, 9 June 2016 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I decided long ago that the only way I can enjoy any story about time travel is to ignore the rules established within the story regarding time travel because I can be assured that those rules will get chucked under a bus at some point. Time travel and internally-consistent storytelling are like oil and water, apparently.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:09 (one year ago) Permalink

Primer is super consistent on its time-travel rules. But also sort of boring.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to rewatch Primer to see if I'm able to revise my initial reaction of "uh...wat?"

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Primer was mindnumbingly boring

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 June 2016 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Agreed on Primer's boringness... Everyone should watch the Spanish movie Timecrimes, it has the same basic idea as Primer, but done in a much more entertaining and visually arresting way.

But I disagree that time travel movies/shows have to be internally inconsistent... IMO the best movies in the subgenre, like Back to the Future or Timecrimes, are the ones where there consistent rules from time travel are established, and the drama comes exactly from how the characters manage to solve their problems without breaking those rules (they may bend them in creative ways, but the rules still remain).

IMO it's a sign of lazy writers if they can't be arsed to stick to the rules rather than coming up with new ones whenever they feel like it. I can sorta understand this in long-running shows like Dr. Who, because after years or decades it's understandable they want to come up with fresh ways to use their gimmick... But LoT was only one short season, and the rules were still changed maybe three or four times during that, it was just stupid!

Tuomas, Thursday, 9 June 2016 18:21 (one year ago) Permalink

I can never understand people who are so insistent on "rules" in genre stuff.

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 June 2016 18:33 (one year ago) Permalink

you hate it when a long poem tells a story.

glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 9 June 2016 23:41 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

so i'm currently way behind on season three but i just saw that upcoming episode will feature a trip to gorilla city (with keith david!) and i am 100% back on-board:

When Jesse Quick (guest star Violett Beane) informs the team that her father (Tom Cavanagh) has been abducted, Barry (Grant Gustin), Caitlin (Danielle Panabaker), Cisco (Carlos Valdes) and Julian (Tom Felton) voyage to Earth-2 on a rescue mission to save Harry from Gorilla City. As they trek through the forest, Barry and the team are immediately captured and brought to Grodd (voiced by David Sobolov). Grodd tells them he needs their help to stop Solovar (voiced by Keith David), the leader of Gorilla City, as Solovar wants to invade Earth-1.

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 February 2017 14:33 (nine months ago) Permalink

this show is dopey but I'll watch that

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 February 2017 16:44 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah i'll ride the dumb-train to gorilla city no question

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:10 (nine months ago) Permalink

Earth-2 is usually a good time

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

unexpectedly i've been enjoying supergirl the most out of these shows recently - melissa benoist is really great at being upbeat and positive without being grating and the subplot about her sister realising she was gay was sensitively handled

i do kinda admire legends of tomorrow's second-season commitment to doing as much ridiculous time-travel shit as possible tho

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

Yeah, Supergirl is currently the best of these shows, especially because most of the cast is pretty good, and because they haven't yet fallen to the stupid overt melodrama a lot of these shows suffer from. Even the coming-out story was handled in a nicely low-key manner (well, low-key for a flashy superhero show), they could've milked a lot more drama out of it, but thankfully they didn't.

Flash is still okay, but it suffers from the same flaw what all these DC shows have in common, i.e. most of the time the characters are written like idiots, or like mopey teenagers. But unlike in Supergirl, only a couple of the actors (Grant Gustin and Tom Cavanagh) are really able to overcome the crappy writing, so whenever you have "dramatic" scenes involving other characters, it's cringe-inducing.

The newest Flash season is also kinda meh because they're yet again repeating the same arc as in the previous two seasons: a mysterious evil speedster appears, he's way faster and more powerful than Barry, Barry needs to up his game to defeat him. I wish they'd use a non-speedster main villain for change! Well, at least this time (unlike in the previous two seasons) they're not hinting Savitar is (gasp!) someone familiar to the heroes behind his mask... Though they did repeat that trope with his minion.

Legends of Tomorrow is kinda entertaining in its over-the-topness, but I do hate the fact that the rules of time travel change every week. Like, in one episode they hesitate to free a couple of slaves in 19th century USA, because that might cause a butterfly effect that would alter their timeline, but in the episode that preceded that they killed the Shogun of Japan ten years before he was due to die in real life, and no one even raised the issue whether that would have any consequences!

I do think stories revolving around time travel need at least some sort of consistency in what the rules of it are, because it's hard to feel anything is at stake when the rules change every episode to what's most convenient for that particular plot. The drama that comes from the heroes trying to avoid breaking the timeline/causing a paradox doesn't really work when there's no way of knowing what they can and can't do this week.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:00 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

took me a while to get into this, because the first two eps felt like total cheese factor. After two episodes though, it turned out to be an entertaining thrill ride. about to wrap S1

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 22:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

It took me nearly a whole season to realize that Julian is Draco Malfoy

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 April 2017 12:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

is there a DC TV universe thread or is this it?

Started watching Supergirl with my daughter and it is surprisingly great, even my wife likes it. Def the best superhero TV show (and a vast improvement over the DC films)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:15 (four months ago) Permalink

this is it iirc

supergirl is a lot of fun. melissa benoist is really great at playing wholesome positivity without being cloying

bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah, she is a v good lead, and I appreciate how it splits the difference pretty capably between soap opera mechanics, CSI cop show, and superhero action silliness

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:24 (four months ago) Permalink

also, as i think I mentioned upthread, it features probably the most touching and sensitive portrayal of someone coming to terms with their sexuality i've ever seen on tv. it's got a real heart to it

bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 16:35 (four months ago) Permalink

supergirl and the flash are dev my favorite 2 superhero tv series, yes; and yes, they are better than the DC films by a fair margin.

akm, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:04 (four months ago) Permalink

hysterical evangelical nervous breakdowns on FB at the lesbian stuff in Supergirl this year were amusing to read.

akm, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:05 (four months ago) Permalink

well spoilidad I guess!

only fair, I am a couple of years behind

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:19 (four months ago) Permalink

also, as i think I mentioned upthread, it features probably the most touching and sensitive portrayal of someone coming to terms with their sexuality i've ever seen on tv. it's got a real heart to it

― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

short lived bad sitcom whitney had a storyline where the sister came out as transgender that was surprisingly nice

breaking kayfefe (s.clover), Thursday, 6 July 2017 17:23 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

so according to this Marv Wolfman intro to a recent Teen Titans reprint omnibus, there's a Teen Titans live action show in development w/Warner Bros...?

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 15:28 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

finished S2 of Supergirl w/my daughter - there were tears at Mon-El/Kara resolution of course. I assume what happens in season 3 is that Mon-El goes into the future and meets the LoSH and manages to cure himself/return but only after there have been a bunch of episodes establishing a new conflict/love interest back on earth so that when he gets back it's oh noes love triangle!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 17:57 (one month ago) Permalink

also I have no idea who the evil Kryptonian orphan in the finale was, not familiar with that bit of comics lore

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:04 (one month ago) Permalink

I think I'm done with these, the season finale cliffhangers of both Flash and Legends were undone by the end of part 2 of the first episode of the new series and ghe status quo restored.

Arrow has flashback/forward/sideways to the point where I don't care what the actual time the plot is set in is, especially since they have rehashed a plot from S3 fir the first episode and a plot from S2 for the second.

Even Supergirl hasn't been much fun thus far, it seems to be falling into the problems you get when the supporting cast is just too big.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:19 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah towards the end of season 2 I was like wait how many storylines/main characters are there - 8? Kara, Mon-El, James, Winn, J'onn, Maggie+Alex, Lena? that's a lot.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 18:24 (one month ago) Permalink

" I have no idea who the evil Kryptonian orphan in the finale was"

it's someone called Reign.

this season of supergirl has been pretty good, the whole show seems to have slowed down a little and taken a breath. They're spending a fair amount of time developing the character that will become Reign.

akm, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 22:05 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Was wondering who stuck Kadee Sackhoff with an awful 'British' accent in the most recent episode, and turns out it was her own idea., because "'Everything just sounds more evil with an accent.'". Not enjoying this season's "FUNNYbooks!" vibe as much as the first two seasons. Hope it improves.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm the opposite, I love all the funnybooks stuff and wish it was Monster Of The Week all the time.

It could be worse, it could be Arrow. They've just introduced Benry from L O S T as the new big villain and last week...

He broke into the secure vault where The Internet is stored and tried to destroy it by "making it overclock itself until it explodes". Felicity solved it by Typing Really Quickly while the others helped by shooting arrows and bullets into server racks.

Really.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 10 November 2017 11:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol I just realized that I never watched the finale from last season. I thought the cliffhanger was Iris dying and never checked for another episode.

President Keyes, Friday, 10 November 2017 13:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

got sidetracked midseason on all of these last time around and i dunno if i've got it in me to catch up again tbh

drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's not worth it. If you want to jump back in then do and if there's something you're missing then ask here or wiki. Your life will be better for it.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm with aldo, the more Silver Age silliness, the better. I'll take it over grimdark Savitar plotline and Draco Malfoy any day of the week.

Their take on Ralph Dibney is . . . something, though.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Thinker could easily be overplayed and a bit G&G but if his masterplan is to reintroduce 80s throwback bad guys like the Kilg%re and Hazard then I'm totally on board with it.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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