So, did Adnan do it? Or was it Jay?
― Brio2, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:38 (five years ago) link
Blog by Rabia, the relative of Adnan's who brought the story to the This American Life producer: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/splitthemoon/2014/10/life-plus-30-murder-lies-the-anatomy-of-a-wrongful-conviction/
― Brio2, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:48 (five years ago) link
I'm just letting the story go where it goes without anticipating the conclusion.
I wonder what other kinds of things Serial is going to explore once this series is over. It might not always be true crime.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link
I know it's way early to speculate, but I really wonder if there's more to the case against Adnan that we haven't heard yet. The teaser says next week will be about how the cops corroborated Jay's story. I wonder if there's something solid there. Today's episode really seemed to suggest that Jay should have been taken more seriously as a suspect. Will be really interesting if they get Jay to talk.
― Brio2, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:58 (five years ago) link
Looks like Reddit is all over this: http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/
Makes me a little nervous, given the Reddit community sleuthing stuff that's gone sideways in the past. I wonder if people will start badgering the people in the story. Looks like Jay's current Facebook page has already been posted.
― Brio2, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:33 (five years ago) link
Within the first few threads I see "Should we respect the privacy of Hae?"
Ugh, fucking reddit.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:38 (five years ago) link
I mean, DUH. Yes.
Yep. The thing about this format, especially if the podcast stays at #1, is that it's going to be irresistible to Reddit/bloggers/clickbaity websites/ even legit journalists to try to scoop the show itself, and potentially being pretty insensitive to the real people involved. I imagine there will be a round of think-pieces on the ethics of Serial in Slate etc. soon enough. If I was Jay, and I was innocent, I'd be pretty pissed off right now - especially if they're holding back on info that supports his story for dramatic effect.
― Brio2, Thursday, 16 October 2014 20:58 (five years ago) link
yeah; it didn't occur to me during the first ep how much our response to the existence or omission of something tantalising has changed, recently, like from savoring to feeling insatiable, but i think there are so many points that would compel interest - like, say, the guy who found the body refusing an interview, which sarah koenig accepts - & people are for sure going to start true detectiving all over it.
think this is really interesting so far, for a bunch of reasons (it feels like a lil step forward even just in sound-accessorising podcasts, too, like the music's really well judged, & the quality of the recorded period sound is super evocative -- i actually thought they were purposefully distorting the voice of a cop, this week, but it's just cassette artefact, afaict). will be super interesting to reach the end & see what the kind of map of what we were given looks like, whether it was satisfying, whether it's a beginning or an ending.
― schlump, Friday, 17 October 2014 03:37 (five years ago) link
They're really going through the timeline this week, and it's hard to listen to and do work at the same time, because I'm getting lost.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 October 2014 17:39 (five years ago) link
the reddit discussion of this seems p good actually or maybe I just had low expectations of what'd be there
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 23 October 2014 19:00 (five years ago) link
the bit about the phone likely being in Leakin Park at a time when Adnan has no reason NOT to have been with his phone seems like pretty bad news for Adnan apologists
― Brio2, Thursday, 23 October 2014 20:58 (five years ago) link
Really starting to fear that this story has no satisfying conclusion now that I'm so invested in it.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 October 2014 21:25 (five years ago) link
have they said how many shows they're planning to take to tell this story? is this like 20 shows or something?
― Brio2, Thursday, 23 October 2014 21:27 (five years ago) link
I can't imagine it's 20. Was guessing it's probably 8-10.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 October 2014 21:29 (five years ago) link
Like this show a lot. Wish they hadn't used such a cheap plinky keyboard sound for the theme song though. I know, minor gripe.
Didn't Sarah says she has been working on this story for a year? I feel there has to be some kind of momentum in this story to stick with it for so long. Something worthy of starting a podcast, not just a series of stories that we follow until the trail goes cold/remains unsolved.
― Michael F Gill, Friday, 24 October 2014 01:25 (five years ago) link
The altered voice for "Kathy" sounds a lot like regular-voiced Stevie Nicks.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:47 (five years ago) link
Anyone else going super hardcore and listening to the Slate spoiler podcast? Last one was good.
― Brio2, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:12 (five years ago) link
I don't want spoilers!
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:15 (five years ago) link
it's actually not spoilery - unless you haven't heard the episode they're discussing. they vowed not to bring Reddit or other outside info into their conversation
― Brio2, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:33 (five years ago) link
Oh, listening to the latest one now and it's just a catch-up roundtable. Not pulling facts from the actual case in that haven't been disclosed yet.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:49 (five years ago) link
New one didn't blow me away.
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:51 (five years ago) link
Listening to Maron first, will get to this next.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link
I'm unexpectedly excited to hear her talk about this shit with an actual attorney.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:04 (five years ago) link
don't be too excited, this ep was p much a waste but I expect the innocence proj & those student's involvement might come back up @ the end of this, like their added research was particularly important
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:09 (five years ago) link
yeah - i felt like we'll be hearing more about that fibre analysis down the line, but most of this show was padding and an attempt to re-introduce a lot of pro-Adnan stuff from the lawyer to counter last week's doubts and keep us hooked
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:45 (five years ago) link
Based purely on how serialpodcast.org is designed, there's either going to be 9 or 12 episodes (or maybe 15?). I just realized this and probably no one cares.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link
I thought they said we were at or past the halfway point on the slate spoiler episode last week, maybe I'm wrong. even that feels like a lot more episodes.
But the general thrust of the lawyer's advice - at least as Sarah K presented it seemed to be "forget about making Adnan's story add up - what matters is forensic evidence and an alternate suspect/theory."
A few mentions of "a serial killer" being the real culprit in similar cases, something that had not been floated here before.
There was also the suggestion that Don, Hae's new boyfriend, hadn't been looked at closely enough - but it was dropped as quickly as it was raised. It did occur to me that the show has been pretty hasty about ruling him out so far, especially given the time they spent on what seem like obvious red herrings like Neighbor Boy and the streaker who found the body. I predict after the Jay detour next week, we'll come back to the Innocence Project findings re: fibre and more on Don.
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:03 (five years ago) link
The slate podcast I heard yesterday brings up a great point about how she chooses to disclose some people's full names and doesn't for others (including Jay). I can't imagine that's totally arbitrary.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:10 (five years ago) link
in interviews she says they were vaguely shooting for a dozen episodes but that isn't set in stone
anyway SHUT UP this episode was really good & interesting & it was kinda moving how cathartic it sounded for SK, & the rearrangement of puzzle pieces - what about dna! - felt really valuable. i wish i knew when all of this had taken place; i don't know if six months ago they made efforts to dig up misplaced evidence in a warehouse or if two weeks ago they put in a RFI on stray beerbottles & a dude is craning his neck to look through a microscope right now
i think knowing a little more about what this series is - they're still researching it, it could go either way, it's in progress - helps, like it removes the weird extra-textual true detective thing of creating additional suspense on whether the show will be about the process or about the result. just vibing with a stressed detective is really fascinating & novel & engaging, i think.
hyped for jay detour.
― schlump, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:38 (five years ago) link
ha now you're making me like it
did it feel genuine to you when she was airing her doubts about Adnan to the lawyer? It just felt a little manipulative, like she was putting herself exactly where she wanted the audience's heads to be at this point in the narrative. But maybe I'm being cynical and she's actually really right there with us. anyway, nitpicking, it's fucking great.
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:48 (five years ago) link
if "they're still researching it, it could go either way" is really true - that's a hell of a tight rope to walk though, I wonder how people will react if it has no satisfying ending
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link
she is not gaming afaict
really worth reading a bunch of the interviews - slate, i think, & the NYer - w/SK to hear her talk about that kinda thing. she says she's a good enough reporter to deal with the conclusion, whether it's ambiguous or whatever. i feel like it's already strong enough to justify its focus, like it's so illuminating to be confronted with just the machinery of trials & convictions & burdens of proof & nebulous differences between accounts, &c.
did anybody watch the staircase? it came up in the NYer piece as a comparable project, it's really fascinating.
― schlump, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:56 (five years ago) link
It's kind of the only really similar thing, right? A serialized week-by-week true crime thing? I loved the Staircase, but something about Serial has grabbed me even more... maybe it's just that I have to wait for it every week, while I binge-watched The Staircase
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:55 (five years ago) link
I wonder if Serial was at all inspired by TV like True Detective or the last season of Breaking Bad - both huge shows from the last year that reminded people how much fun it is to experience something together with everyone else over many weeks instead of bingeing
― Brio2, Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:59 (five years ago) link
yeah. it's p telling that she sez her fav piece of tape is the girl @ the end of this ep who sounds so exasperated in sentence fragments that none of it makes sense
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 13:23 (five years ago) link
anyway, could be interesting what adnan sez when Koenig asks him abt jay's friends saying he went along cuz adnan threatened stephanie
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 13:24 (five years ago) link
part of me cant get over cathy's? I think description of adnan @ her party & her description of his behavior, asking how do you stop being high, right? and needing to go do something important. has Koenig asked abt this party? I cant recall
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 13:30 (five years ago) link
That call seems like a total red herring - even if A is totally innocent, it would make sense that kids were calling each other saying that Hae was missing and the cops are looking for her, and Adnan could be freaked out about being high and worried about talking to the cops.
― Brio2, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:22 (five years ago) link
yea def possible, and the host's recollection of adnans strange behavior being influenced by him later being convicted
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link
But this episode sure does make it seem like Adnan did it.I think the details of Jay's chronology will never add up - but the fundamentals (what Koenig has referred to as "the spine of his story") are unshaken. Jay admits to giving different versions of the day's events, and the prosecution may well have put forward a very flawed version of the day's events - but it doesn't seem that weird that a scared stoner high school who participated in the aftermath of a murder told a bunch of lies on his way to telling the truth.
― Brio2, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:29 (five years ago) link
SPOILERS (should we ask mods to put a spoiler warning in the title of the thread?)
Also interesting in this week's show was Jay's friend Chris who gave a whole new version of events (the pool hall story) and the the whole new motive for Jay to help Adnan (Adnan's threats to Jay's girlfriend Stephanie). Odd that it seems like Jay never told cops the threats story, as far as we know anyway.
― Brio2, Thursday, 13 November 2014 14:41 (five years ago) link
is one of these gonna drop thanksgiving morning?
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:31 (five years ago) link
Totally wasn't expecting them to actually ambush Jay like that. Seems out of character with how passive the investigation has been up to this point.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:33 (five years ago) link
I kind of had a few seconds of "why am I even bothering to listen to this then" when she said he ultimately declined the interview. There's so much only he can answer.
― Brio2, Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link
latest episode is still banging around in my head. the "all facts are friendly" vs. "bad evidence" bit was really fascinating and maybe the core of what this show is ultimately going to be about.
― Brio2, Friday, 14 November 2014 16:24 (five years ago) link
i was already feeling pretty sure that adnan did it (separate tho from the question of whether he should've been convicted) but this last ep made me feel like 99% sure.
― Mordy, Friday, 14 November 2014 16:25 (five years ago) link
im interested in the jay/Stephanie/adnan dynamic
― johnny crunch, Friday, 14 November 2014 16:59 (five years ago) link
yeah, sure does seem like Adnan did it.
biggest lingering questions to me are around why he brought Jay into it at all, and if Jay had a bigger role than he's admitted.
― Brio2, Friday, 14 November 2014 17:23 (five years ago) link
this episode convinced me of it too, but i still think he should have been found not guilty. was totally annoyed by attorney's cross-examination style. i think he brought jay in for the reason jay said, that he was perceived to be "the criminal element" at school. i don't think jay's different stories mean much. i think he was just scared.
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 15 November 2014 00:49 (five years ago) link
The "witness kept changing his story" angle however is idiotic. No witness is going to give 100% consistent accounts of an entire day where a month had already passed by the first interview. It's really not hard to conceive of what happened -- they interview him, he shakily tries to piece the day together, then they look at the phone records (which may even have misled them) and they say "are you sure that didn't happen at 4:30?" And he says "yeah, maybe it was 4:30." Experienced investigators and lawyers say 100% consistency is actually much more troubling because it suggests rehearsed testimony. No one can actually point to a reason to doubt Jay's claim that Adnan killed Hae, so it's just this vague insinuation of "he's not credible."
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:24 (two years ago) link
And afaict it has nothing to do with why either the lower or higher court granted a new trial.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:27 (two years ago) link
'He isn't credible' is not a vague insinuation, it's a fact. His changing stories go way beyond just bad memory. And even the way you are describing it, he was coached. And of course, when the story is that the phone calls and the testimony coincide, the idea that the witness was coached based on the phone calls undermines the whole thing quite a lot.
But no, it has nothing to do with the new trial. Again, it's all just arbitrary.
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:36 (two years ago) link
But, again, the word "coached" is as vague as "not credible." You can't just say "he was coached so throw out the trial" you have to actually show that it mattered. Even assuming my speculation is correct, there is no reason to believe he was "coached" to say that Adnan killed Hae when in fact he didn't. That's just not even plausible based on the way the investigation went, which is that police interviewed Jenn, then Jenn told police that Jay had told her that Adnan killed Hae, and then Jay confirmed that in interviews. I'm not sure what you mean by "the story is that the phone calls and the testimony coincide." It would never be reasonable to expect a witness to remember an entire day's worth of events including a couple dozen phone calls and what time they took place at. There is nothing wrong with a witness using documents to refresh his recollection of events, in fact it is even done in the midst of depositions or trials. If I say "What time did you email Mr Smith?" and you say "I'm pretty sure it was about 3pm," and then I show you an email that it was actually at 5pm and you say "Yeah that seems right, I guess it was 5pm," that's normal and not problematic, and in no way impeaches the credibility of the witness. Or even if you say "I remember emailing him on Monday morning" and then I show you that it actually happened on Tuesday morning. Because that's exactly the kind of thing that people easily forget all the time.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:43 (two years ago) link
I mean, again speculating, but if the interview goes like this, I would not even call that "coaching" -- "I remember he called Nisha" "Around what time was that?" "Around 4:30pm" "There's a record of a call to Nisha at 3:30pm, could that have been the call?" "Yeah, I think that's it.'
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:46 (two years ago) link
You can read the transcripts, man alive. No reason for us to waste time on you speculating.
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:06 (two years ago) link
The line from the prosecution was that Jay was credible because his testimony was backed up by cell phone records. Which is easy when you let him change his story until it matches cell phone records.
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:12 (two years ago) link
And, btw, I'm discussing why the prosecution is to blame for the podcast. Not that Adnan is innocent or that Jay is guilty.
― Frederik B, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:16 (two years ago) link
I have to go back and read both opinions at some point because I'm confused as to how the lower court gave him a new trial on the cell phone issue but then the higher court said that issue was waived because it wasn't raised.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, April 2, 2018 4:44 PM (three hours ago)
this is not my specific area but afaict they raised it for the first time during a second post-reopening post-conviction hearing where it could have been raised in the first hearing, so the waiver is not by not arguing it in the post-conviction court it was by not raising it at the appropriate time
― forensic plumber (harbl), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 00:28 (two years ago) link
― Frederik B, Monday, April 2, 2018 5:06 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I thought the theory was that the coaching was done off the record/outside the transcript. But if there’s anything in the transcript you want to point me to that suggests Jay is lying about who killed Hae be my guest.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 01:58 (two years ago) link
I thought the theory was that the coaching was done off the record/outside the transcript. But if there’s anything in the transcript you want to point me to that suggests Jay is lying about who killed Hae be my guest.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), 3. april 2018 03:58 (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, 3. april 2018 00:16 (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's honestly kinda pointless discussing with you.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:58 (two years ago) link
not that important really since he was still guilty
― President Keyes, 2. april 2018 22:00 (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, Monday, April 2, 2018 4:22 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Frederik B, Monday, April 2, 2018 6:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ok so is he guilty or innocent, and if you don't care why do you fight back when someone says he's guilty?
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:52 (two years ago) link
Because he thinks a serial killer did it and jay was forced to cover up.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:54 (two years ago) link
Or else he's backpedaling from that theory but trying to save face, not sure which.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:15 (two years ago) link
You're wrong because it's still important even if he's guilty.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:18 (two years ago) link
And it's important because the bad prosecution led to questions, leading to the podcast, leading to the media circus.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:19 (two years ago) link
This idea, that miscarriages of justice are okay if only the people it happens to are in fact guilty, this idea is bad. This should not be controversial. Also, according to the law, people are innocent until proven guilty, which means that prosecutorial misconduct ALWAYS happens to innocent people.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:23 (two years ago) link
yeah, of course shoddy prosecutions are bad, but I tend to feel time and attention spent on overturning the conviction of a guilty person (guilty not in the technically legal sense, but in the actually-killed-someone sense) on such grounds in something that should be left to a legal team and family members of the convicted. Anyone else expending effort on such a thing is kind of perverse. Basically the circus around this is fucked up and people have themselves to blame, not just the prosecutor.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:32 (two years ago) link
You're using "innocent" equivocally. There's legally innocent, and then there's whether he actually did it or not. I mean I very much believe in the presumption of innocence, but the point of it is to make sure people who actually are factually innocent don't go to jail. We're supposed to err on that side, and yes, I think that generally that's a good thing. But just as a human being, I can't *actually* be pleased to see an obvious murderer get out of jail and never admit to his crime due to the fact that he has an obsessive fan club and due to the ironically lucky break that his counsel is dead and not here to explain why she never interviewed an alibi witness.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:47 (two years ago) link
Good to see Frederik wackiness unchanged in 3 or 4 years since initial airing.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:56 (two years ago) link
xx-post: I quite like discussing this with you, much more than man alive, but I still think you're wrong. Very much wrong. Overturning shoddy convictions is important, even for the guilty, and people doing that hard work should be applauded, not called perverse. Someone might have killed a person, but it wasn't premeditated, so the sentence is too strict (this could also very well be the case with Adnan, btw). Or perhaps he is a psychopathic murderer, but he is sentenced to death in a jurisdiction where only black people ever get the death penalty.
Also, in the big picture, is America is going to get something done with mass incarceration, a lot of difficult discussions need to be had. Violent offenders need to be let out. Even without getting into any other questions, there needs to be a discussion of whether or not it's right to send an 18-year old killer to jail for life without parole.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:57 (two years ago) link
Violent offenders need to be let out.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:58 (two years ago) link
National discussion. done and done.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 14:59 (two years ago) link
I actually agree about that. Maybe 20 years is a long enough sentence for a single murder committed as a 17-year-old. But if we're so concerned about process, I no more want to see him let out for the "wrong reasons" than you want to see him convicted for the "wrong reasons." And I'd like to see him admit his crime.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:02 (two years ago) link
Sentences for violent offenders are generally too long and there's evidence that most people "age out" of violence.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:03 (two years ago) link
I think there are a lot better cases to argue for the inequity in the American criminal justice system than this one.
Ultimately the whole miscarriage question hinges on whether it’s terribly credible that Adnan did not commit this murder. In my opinion (as it appears for many others) it’s not because at the end of the day shifting timelines or not no one has come up for a reasonable explanation than the one Jay/the prosecution presented at trial.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:08 (two years ago) link
Compared to other countries, that 20-year sentence is extremely harsh. Also, I don't think it's 'wrong reasons', nobody is planting evidence or coaching Asia McClain. I'm frustrated by the arbitrariness of it all, I think we agree on that, but it's not comparable to the shoddy prosecution.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:11 (two years ago) link
well, fwiw my unhealthy obsession with this case is now back, and I really need to get away from it. I'm reading the reddit subs again, it's just awful. Admittedly, I think part of why this case is so compelling is that it's such a strange story however you slice it, whether you think he's guilty or innocent. I mean just the fact that he loaned Jay his car and phone for the day, that's such a fucking weird thing to do whether it was for trying to create an alibi, trying to create an excuse to ask a ride from Hae, or no reason related to any crime, it's just a weird thing to do. So much strange behavior on everyone's part, chalk it up to them being teenagers who were high all the time I guess.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:01 (two years ago) link
I really hope I'm past the stage in life where there's no risk of the weird things I did as a teenager get dragged into a murder trial.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:08 (two years ago) link
Don't go on the reddit sub. It's bad even in comparison to other reddit subs.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 19:09 (two years ago) link
So S3 of Serial will be, um, not serial:
Instead of telling a single story over the course of the show, as the first two seasons did, the third run will follow many different stories with some spanning two or even three episodes.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 21:43 (two years ago) link
sound potentially v good though
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 21:44 (two years ago) link
first episode seems promising. kind of low-stakes. a bit more like Embedded or a Propublica podcast.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 20 September 2018 15:42 (two years ago) link
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 September 2018 18:04 (two years ago) link
First episode is really good and enraging in it's own small way. Much less is at stake than in the Adnan trial, but because of that it's also much better at just examining how deeply systemic the unfairness of the justice system is. That was always what was the best part of season 1, the way it showed Adnan to have been railroaded and the prosecution to have been flawed, separately from the question of guilt - though it's understandable that drove most of the hype.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 October 2018 13:29 (one year ago) link
this has been enjoyable enough
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 4 October 2018 15:35 (one year ago) link
today's one was pretty harrowing
― President Keyes, Thursday, 4 October 2018 16:00 (one year ago) link
Wow, fuck judge Gaul
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 October 2018 16:43 (one year ago) link
i know. try paying a PI to even find out the judge's address, you won't
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 4 October 2018 16:51 (one year ago) link
Season 3 ended today. Very good overall, but why only 9 episodes after a 30 month break between seasons? I'm always a little confounded by this show.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:42 (one year ago) link
Because each episode cost approx 6 brazillion dollars
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 November 2018 21:38 (one year ago) link
New HBO series The Case Against Adnan Syed:
― Alba, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 14:30 (one year ago) link
Rabia was saying [during the panel] how every wrongful conviction is an unsolved case. Do you feel like, at the end of this, we’re closer to solving Hae Min Lee’s murder than we were before?I think we’re closer to the truth but I think that, when police detectives investigate a case with tunnel vision on one suspect only, it leaves so many questions. So, I don’t think that there’s a way to actually know what happened, but I think we’re much closer to the truth.
I think we’re closer to the truth but I think that, when police detectives investigate a case with tunnel vision on one suspect only, it leaves so many questions. So, I don’t think that there’s a way to actually know what happened, but I think we’re much closer to the truth.
― invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 14:40 (one year ago) link
oh yes, please find us a suspect about whose guilt there will not be "so many questions."
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:04 (one year ago) link
this case could definitely benefit from another deep-dive in the media whose conclusions can be summed up as *shrug emoji*, thx hbo
― invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:30 (one year ago) link
This case has about as many unexplored angles as the JFK assassination
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:28 (one year ago) link
oh god the director sounds like such a run-of-the-mill idiot
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:29 (one year ago) link
‘Serial’ subject Adnan Syed’s murder case will not be heard by Supreme Courthttps://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-cr-adnan-syed-supreme-court-20191125-5ykt2ec3qzarjlnivxusegd2um-story.html
― Alba, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:53 (ten months ago) link
Maybe there's a better thread for this, but has anyone been listening to Serial Productions' Nice White Parents podcast? Very mixed feelings about it so far.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 03:27 (one month ago) link
i haven’t yet. what’s your feeling about it?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 08:22 (one month ago) link