Let's talk about BoJack Horseman, the new Netflix animated series (starring Will Arnett, Alison Brie, Amy Sedaris, Aaron Paul, etc)

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I was surprised there doesn't seem to be any discussion on this yet, seems like it'd be right up ILXor's alley? It starts out like this Archer style super-cynical wise-crackin' show, but starts to get into some deep emotional stuff later on (we haven't watched the final four episodes of the season yet, so please don't include any spoilers about them), and so far it's been really good!

I really like how the main character is seemingly this jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold, but it turns out he's really just a jerk, and yet he's still relatable. I love all the little sight gags they get out of the fact that the world in this series in explicably populated by humans and anthropmorphic animals, like when the BoJack is about to hit an armadillo woman, and she curls into a ball and rolls away, or the Penguin publishing company with actual penguins, or when Princess Carolyn meets her rival agent, Vanessa Gekko, who turns out to be... a normal human woman. Also, the subtle nods to Aaron Paul's most famous role are kinda funny.

All in all I think this series has found a nice balance between Simpsons style absurdist gags and a continuing tragicomic plot; let's just hope the final episode don't screw this up.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

"let's just hope the final episodes"

Here's a good review of the series by Willa Paskin, I think it summarizes nicely what I like about the show.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 21:10 (four years ago) Permalink

I like that Lisa Hanawalt did the designs!
Hated the first 3 episodes but the rock opera one sold me, and after that, the existential stuff.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:52 (four years ago) Permalink

got like ten minutes in

lag∞n, Monday, 8 September 2014 00:53 (four years ago) Permalink

The episode where Bojack writes his own counter-memoir was by far my favorite, and the most moving, imo.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:54 (four years ago) Permalink

done watching things with bojack in the title

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 8 September 2014 07:20 (four years ago) Permalink

my girlfriend and i loved this, waaay better than i expected. i don't think you'll be disappointed in the ending tuomas.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 8 September 2014 12:48 (four years ago) Permalink

We watched the final eps, and you're right, they didn't disappoint! Pretty heavy on the pathos (especially the penultimate episode with all the drug epiphanies), but I think they earned it, and it was nice that they didn't go for the easy route of neat closure, since the whole series has been so critical of neat closures.

But yeah, this was definitely better than I expected based on the first couple of episodes... I guess they wanted to lure the viewer in with all this quick-witted Simpsons-style humour before delving deeper into the existential stuff? I know Arnett's role in this makes the comparison easy, but I'd still say this sort of bait-and-switch cynicism-to-sympathy was kinda similar to what Arrested Development did. Apparently there'll be season 2 of BoJack, so will see whether they can keep up the quality as long AD did.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Or to put it more simply, Abbott OTM.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Also, Vincet Adultman was the best running gag I've seen in a comedy series for a while! And I loved how, in the end, even he wasn't a gag anymore (reflecting on Diane's comment on how it doesn't matter what we are "deep down").

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

I liked Vincent even more when I learned Maria Bamford does his voice.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:23 (four years ago) Permalink

I tried telling my coworkers about this show during lunch and I started tearing up a little when I talked about Bojack and Diane's final conversation. They were nice about it because, you know, BIG QUESTIONS, but I felt like a goon trying to make small talk about the tv and how the talking cartoon horse made me think.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:25 (four years ago) Permalink

And then cryin'.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Put on the first episode of this yesterday and ended up watching eight episodes in a row. Desperate to watch the remaining episodes but I think my boyfriend would kill me if I ploughed on ahead without him.

It made me think of Archer and Bob's Burgers immediately with its humour but with more laugh-out-loud moments. I was cracking up at Sextina Aquifina and BoJack's first childhood flashback. The pathos really snuck up on me - one minute I was laughing and then all of a sudden it was making me think about Big Thoughts and really feeling sorry for what, on surface level, are mainly unpleasant characters. I can see how people might find it both crass and cynical, and sentimental and schmaltzy, but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

Also:

"Well, I don’t really think about her all much. Obviously, I’m a fan of her early work, which both satirized and celebrated youth culture’s obsession with sex. But I do wonder as a third-wave feminist if it’s even possible for women to “reclaim” their sexuality in this deeply entrenched patriarchal society. Or if claiming to do so is just a lie we tell ourselves to more comfortably cater to the male gaze. On the other hand, I worry conversations like this one often dismiss her as a mere puppet of the industry, incapable of engaging in this discussion herself, an infantilization which is itself a product of the deeply misogynistic society we live in. But like I said, I don’t think about her that much."

If ever a show had a line for an ILX audience...

boxedjoy, Thursday, 11 September 2014 11:33 (four years ago) Permalink

but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

I like how there isn't the sort of "nothing really changes" cynical status quo as with Archer, but neither does the show try to pretend there any easy solutions or cheap epiphanies that would allow the characters to magically change, even if they want to. Most of the characters are insecure egotists, bums, and procrastinators, but IMO it's the desire for change and the realization of how difficult it is that makes them sympathetic and human (even if they're talking animals).

Tuomas, Thursday, 11 September 2014 12:51 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

yeah this show is absolutely ace.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:32 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the melancholy that gradually creeps into this show really got to me. i actually got a little weepy at the last couple episodes, which is uh not exactly something i expected to happen when i started watching this show.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I was watching Mr. Show earlier and this made me think of BoJack

http://i.imgur.com/Htv7vnN.png

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha, a few weeks ago my bf put on an ep of this cos his son wanted to see it. His son is NINE. The ep was the one with the Lindsay Lohan-esque druggy character and by the end of the ep we were all errrr... maybe you shouldnt have watched that, young lad.

"whats heroin, dad?" Arrgh.

I like the show enough, somehow bojack reminds me of Troy McClure but I think thats mainly bcz his house, lol.

Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 08:20 (three years ago) Permalink

lol i remember being like 11 and my parents rented blazing saddles cause they wanted us to see it and they had to stop it after 3 minutes bc they forgot everything about it

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:23 (three years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

In episode 4 of the new season, there's a banner that says 'Happy Birthday Diane and use a pretty font'. That is seriously one of the best jokes I've ever seen. I feel like it must be an old joke, but still.

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 13:54 (three years ago) Permalink

episode 7 gets real

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:36 (three years ago) Permalink

banner joke is a sequel to the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR PEANUT BUTTER, PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD" banner in S1, sounds like

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Sunday, 19 July 2015 15:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, fish, I saw that one, but didn't get it. There's a callback to it later, with a t-shirt saying: 'I had a ball at Diane's party, and underline ball, I don't know why this is so hard.'

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:29 (three years ago) Permalink

love this season, love this show

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm rewatching S1 before starting on 2 and there's a second banner, CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Sunday, 19 July 2015 19:54 (three years ago) Permalink

i did not realise lisa hanawalt did the designs!
i watched one episode and kind of hated it.

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 July 2015 20:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah, episode 7... And that final scene with the nice guy going 'Hey. Smile!' Yikes....

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:29 (three years ago) Permalink

that and the chickens episode (5?) were tops for this season imo

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:32 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I get this show but I did overhear one joke that killed me: One guy says to another "you're seeing the Stones tonight?" but later reveals that "Stones" was short for The Mighty Mighty Bos-"Stones"

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Which episodes are Ryan Johnson in? Who does he play?

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:57 (three years ago) Permalink

I would love to take down Hippopopolous and finally topple the acropolis of monstrous hypocrisy that ensconces us!

wk, Monday, 20 July 2015 07:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Is this the first animated comedy that's structured like a cable drama, with the giant emotional climaxes in the second to last episodes? Made it to 11, completely wrecked.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

only a few episodes in but this season is great so far

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:06 (three years ago) Permalink

I never thought I would say this sentence about a television show, but the autoerotic asphyxiation episode is the funniest thing I've seen all year

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:00 (three years ago) Permalink

Excuse me, the Funky Spider-Man. The Two-Neck Squeeze. The Ol' Gasp & Goo.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Theres a new season? Neat. Must check it out.

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:23 (three years ago) Permalink

Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!

Mordy, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I'm ready to take on Hippopopolous and topple this monstrous acropolis which ensconces us!

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:47 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Last 2 episodes were so brilliant and sad

Could never imagine it turning out that way from how it started, wow

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:47 (three years ago) Permalink

(Talking about season 1)

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VESKjoxAmZg

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (two years ago) Permalink

spoiler: it looks great

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I started watching this on the advice of my daughter, who frankly doesn't have a 100% hit rate for these things, but really kind of loved it. It was the simple jokes that did it for me in the end:

  • The first banner with CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD floored me but then the two callbacks I spotted (as noted upthread) were just great.
  • In ep 1 and 2 of S1 Mr Peanutbutter greets Bojack with "what is this, a crossover episode?" while Bojack accuses him of plagiarism. Then in S2 it turns out Hank Hippopolalous said it to them at the 1994 Animal Choice awards first.
  • "Hey, I Think You Can Dance" and "Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!" make me laugh every time.
  • Actually, continuing to refer to it as Hollywoo does as well.
  • In the S2 finale when Mr Peanutbutter is on the phone to Diane, then says that there's someone that looks really like her in the restaurant.
  • Rutabaga Rabbitowotz's constant attempts to grease down his ears.
  • Everything sticking to Charlie Witherspoons' hands.
  • Every time Vincent Adultman opens his mouth.

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Friday, 22 July 2016 07:57 (two years ago) Permalink

So, S3 then. I'll avoid spoilers but:

  • More great banner jokes.
  • The underwater episode is a joy from start to finish.
  • There's a joke that takes all season to pay off. And a callback joke from previous seasons.
  • The episode from 2007 uses the same ideas as previous flashback episodes (generic music and shopfronts) and is none the worse for it.
  • As with previous seasons, episode 11. Man.
  • The Sextina Aquafina episode is possibly my favourite, especially Diane's inability to say "brrap brrap pew pew".
  • Although the Oscar nominations episode.
  • I could watch a whole season set in the Labrador Peninsula.
Not as good as S2, but then what is? The comedy this season is definitely a lot more subtle, how much of a shit Bojack is is much more of a thing than previously (and bearing in mind how much of a thing it was previously...).

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Monday, 25 July 2016 13:39 (two years ago) Permalink

apparently i have not been paying close enough attention when watching this.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:15 (two years ago) Permalink

Watched the the underwater one last night, unexpected but really nice.

(we always pause when there are a bunch of storefronts/billboards/etc in the scene btw, so many good throwaway jokes)

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:35 (two years ago) Permalink

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

I'm not entirely sure what I think of this show sometimes it's a weird one but the moments of pathos draw me in more than the humor to an extent, it's a very strange juxtaposition

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

paul f tompkins as mr peanut butter is so good

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Mr horse is better anyway

Ross, Monday, 17 September 2018 21:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 17 September 2018 23:05 (one month ago) Permalink

If i watch this will i be emotionally destroyed?

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:14 (one month ago) Permalink

A plea to please hold off on too many big spoilers also, not all of us have the time luxury of bingeing a whole season in one day/week/weekend (fuckin Netflix). I'm only up to ep2 of new season so far!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 September 2018 23:16 (one month ago) Permalink

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

imago, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:24 (one month ago) Permalink

cosign, I'm on ep #4 I think

I did not catch the single-use gag!

sleeve, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:24 (one month ago) Permalink

(that 1st part was xp)

sleeve, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:25 (one month ago) Permalink

This is what about a single fuck?!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 04:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

That was David Sedaris!

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 05:45 (one month ago) Permalink

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

Gina says it in ep 11.

Thermo, it's a thing that the word fuck only ever gets used once a season.

Season 1, Herb in ep 8.
Season 2, Charlotte in ep 11.
Season 3, Todd in ep 10
Season 4, Bojack in ep 4.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 05:50 (one month ago) Permalink

ohhhhhhhhh of course. it had to be her, and now i think about it she says it when you'd more or less expect someone to

imago, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 06:28 (one month ago) Permalink

the word 'cunt' has been used once ever in the show's entire history, albeit in a british accent

imago, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 06:31 (one month ago) Permalink

That was David Sedaris!

― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 3:45 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am v bad at recognising voices

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 09:08 (one month ago) Permalink

OK now Ive seen ep 6 and people were not kidding about that being a gutpunch. And the last 10 seconds punchline, omg lol.

To follow that up with Emperor Fingerface and BoBo Zebra etc etc was a complete wtf.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

those two and the ensuing mr peanutbutter episode were my favourites of the series tbh

imago, Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I liked the new season but I'm starting to feel like the writers/producers are expending a little too much energy anticipating/responding to viewer complaints and concerns. Feels like they're trying to cover every possibly problematic base at all times.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

maybe, although the todd (a)sex farce stuff was mostly quite funny i thought

imago, Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That ep I found a bit OTT actually! Though I get a farce was exactly what they were aiming for. I mean they should have just added people yelling OOER MISSUS.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this season spends too much time dealing with old issues e.g. the entire funeral bottle episode. best parts are "philbert" and gina.

adam the (abanana), Monday, 24 September 2018 03:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I love that Gina is basically Rosa, esp when in the show's cop outfit (I dunno if its intentional though?)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 24 September 2018 03:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What concerns are they spending time on other than Vietnam?

Frederik B, Monday, 24 September 2018 06:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There was a quote from Bob-Waksberg recently where he was talking about being horrified that Weinstein was a fan of the show, and honestly at least half the season feels like a reaction to that. Part of me wanted to reach out and be like "dude, you make a horse cartoon."

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

SPOILERS The climactic plotline (Bojack on drugs! Bojack mistreats a woman!) of this season didn't feel fresh at all

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I should stress that it was still funny/enjoyable/watchable but I feel like they should wrap it up soon.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ALSO, the punchline to the otherwise amazing Free Churro episode was too similar in feel to the punchline to the underwater episode. It's like guys you already did that. The episode should have ended straight

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I finished the season last night. My impression might be a little tainted by a convo with my son a week ago: "I think with season 4, they started focusing more on the drama and it wasn't as funny. I'm not saying they need to turn it into Family Guy but..."

how's life, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

parts of "Free Churro" were genuinely moving but tbh it was a bit....much overall

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I thought S4 basically got the balance right

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I just feel that the 'Hollywoo' is a tarpit is so central to what the show is that it makes sense they go back to #MeToo plotlines over and over.

To me it's more getting a bit stale because BoJack is constantly backsliding. Which is plausible, but it got stale on The Sopranos, and on Mad Men, and I'm not sure I can do too many more penultimate episodes where BoJack hits a new low.

Frederik B, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This was the first one where it felt like formula. 11th episode of S4 was different and extraordinary

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, exactly. But 1, 2, 3 and 5 are kinda alike...

Frederik B, Monday, 24 September 2018 12:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

everyone basically articulating my problems with this season ("oh no bojack did *another* unforgivably horrible thing???") even though it was still great

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 24 September 2018 12:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The 11th episodes of 1,2,3 built to a tragic crescendo tbh, I wouldn't change any of them

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 12:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

this episode came out in 2015, two years before the Weinstein scandal surfaced. I took it as a Cosby reference at the time (and I think the episode itself mentioned allegations against Letterman)

nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 14:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

you think insiders didn't know though

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 14:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

30 Rock etc were making Weinstein jokes for years iirc? I'm sure we've been over this somewhere.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 14:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

their character of Uncle Hankie was specifically a beloved entertainment figure, which Weinstein never was.

nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 15:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

influential and incredibly powerful obviously, but it's a slightly different situation

nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 15:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fine. Well there wasn't really a Weinstein figure here. I really liked the pathetic character of Flip though (and even more so Flippy for half a glorious episode) - a sort of man equally worth taking down

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 15:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I liked Flip as a character but I found Rami Malek's voice kinda distracting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 15:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

David Sedaris as Amy Sedaris' mom was beautiful.

We had to go back and figure out where that taped confession came from (s3ep1). That's a lot of plot to keep track of (for a horse cartoon)!

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 24 September 2018 15:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

idk, i don't like the "just a horse cartoon" angle. the show is as thoughtful and smart as anything else on tv, and "horse cartoon" is just the lens the show uses to explore the human condition.

nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no shit, really????

gbx, Monday, 24 September 2018 16:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Obviously it can be anything it would ants but there's thoughtful and then there's ponderous

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 17:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The ants were in S4

imago, Monday, 24 September 2018 18:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 24 September 2018 18:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol sorry for the double gif, it posted as a question mark image the first time round

nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Monday, 24 September 2018 18:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Overall enjoyable season. Not as quite as good as previous, but The Amelia Earhart Story and Free Churro were the high points for me.

Jeff, Friday, 28 September 2018 19:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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