Let's talk about BoJack Horseman, the new Netflix animated series (starring Will Arnett, Alison Brie, Amy Sedaris, Aaron Paul, etc)

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I was surprised there doesn't seem to be any discussion on this yet, seems like it'd be right up ILXor's alley? It starts out like this Archer style super-cynical wise-crackin' show, but starts to get into some deep emotional stuff later on (we haven't watched the final four episodes of the season yet, so please don't include any spoilers about them), and so far it's been really good!

I really like how the main character is seemingly this jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold, but it turns out he's really just a jerk, and yet he's still relatable. I love all the little sight gags they get out of the fact that the world in this series in explicably populated by humans and anthropmorphic animals, like when the BoJack is about to hit an armadillo woman, and she curls into a ball and rolls away, or the Penguin publishing company with actual penguins, or when Princess Carolyn meets her rival agent, Vanessa Gekko, who turns out to be... a normal human woman. Also, the subtle nods to Aaron Paul's most famous role are kinda funny.

All in all I think this series has found a nice balance between Simpsons style absurdist gags and a continuing tragicomic plot; let's just hope the final episode don't screw this up.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 20:58 (three years ago) Permalink

"let's just hope the final episodes"

Here's a good review of the series by Willa Paskin, I think it summarizes nicely what I like about the show.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 21:10 (three years ago) Permalink

I like that Lisa Hanawalt did the designs!
Hated the first 3 episodes but the rock opera one sold me, and after that, the existential stuff.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:52 (three years ago) Permalink

got like ten minutes in

lag∞n, Monday, 8 September 2014 00:53 (three years ago) Permalink

The episode where Bojack writes his own counter-memoir was by far my favorite, and the most moving, imo.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:54 (three years ago) Permalink

done watching things with bojack in the title

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 8 September 2014 07:20 (three years ago) Permalink

my girlfriend and i loved this, waaay better than i expected. i don't think you'll be disappointed in the ending tuomas.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 8 September 2014 12:48 (three years ago) Permalink

We watched the final eps, and you're right, they didn't disappoint! Pretty heavy on the pathos (especially the penultimate episode with all the drug epiphanies), but I think they earned it, and it was nice that they didn't go for the easy route of neat closure, since the whole series has been so critical of neat closures.

But yeah, this was definitely better than I expected based on the first couple of episodes... I guess they wanted to lure the viewer in with all this quick-witted Simpsons-style humour before delving deeper into the existential stuff? I know Arnett's role in this makes the comparison easy, but I'd still say this sort of bait-and-switch cynicism-to-sympathy was kinda similar to what Arrested Development did. Apparently there'll be season 2 of BoJack, so will see whether they can keep up the quality as long AD did.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Or to put it more simply, Abbott OTM.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:37 (three years ago) Permalink

Also, Vincet Adultman was the best running gag I've seen in a comedy series for a while! And I loved how, in the end, even he wasn't a gag anymore (reflecting on Diane's comment on how it doesn't matter what we are "deep down").

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I liked Vincent even more when I learned Maria Bamford does his voice.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:23 (three years ago) Permalink

I tried telling my coworkers about this show during lunch and I started tearing up a little when I talked about Bojack and Diane's final conversation. They were nice about it because, you know, BIG QUESTIONS, but I felt like a goon trying to make small talk about the tv and how the talking cartoon horse made me think.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:25 (three years ago) Permalink

And then cryin'.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:26 (three years ago) Permalink

Put on the first episode of this yesterday and ended up watching eight episodes in a row. Desperate to watch the remaining episodes but I think my boyfriend would kill me if I ploughed on ahead without him.

It made me think of Archer and Bob's Burgers immediately with its humour but with more laugh-out-loud moments. I was cracking up at Sextina Aquifina and BoJack's first childhood flashback. The pathos really snuck up on me - one minute I was laughing and then all of a sudden it was making me think about Big Thoughts and really feeling sorry for what, on surface level, are mainly unpleasant characters. I can see how people might find it both crass and cynical, and sentimental and schmaltzy, but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

Also:

"Well, I don’t really think about her all much. Obviously, I’m a fan of her early work, which both satirized and celebrated youth culture’s obsession with sex. But I do wonder as a third-wave feminist if it’s even possible for women to “reclaim” their sexuality in this deeply entrenched patriarchal society. Or if claiming to do so is just a lie we tell ourselves to more comfortably cater to the male gaze. On the other hand, I worry conversations like this one often dismiss her as a mere puppet of the industry, incapable of engaging in this discussion herself, an infantilization which is itself a product of the deeply misogynistic society we live in. But like I said, I don’t think about her that much."

If ever a show had a line for an ILX audience...

boxedjoy, Thursday, 11 September 2014 11:33 (three years ago) Permalink

but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

I like how there isn't the sort of "nothing really changes" cynical status quo as with Archer, but neither does the show try to pretend there any easy solutions or cheap epiphanies that would allow the characters to magically change, even if they want to. Most of the characters are insecure egotists, bums, and procrastinators, but IMO it's the desire for change and the realization of how difficult it is that makes them sympathetic and human (even if they're talking animals).

Tuomas, Thursday, 11 September 2014 12:51 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

yeah this show is absolutely ace.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:32 (three years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

the melancholy that gradually creeps into this show really got to me. i actually got a little weepy at the last couple episodes, which is uh not exactly something i expected to happen when i started watching this show.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:31 (three years ago) Permalink

I was watching Mr. Show earlier and this made me think of BoJack

http://i.imgur.com/Htv7vnN.png

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:36 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha, a few weeks ago my bf put on an ep of this cos his son wanted to see it. His son is NINE. The ep was the one with the Lindsay Lohan-esque druggy character and by the end of the ep we were all errrr... maybe you shouldnt have watched that, young lad.

"whats heroin, dad?" Arrgh.

I like the show enough, somehow bojack reminds me of Troy McClure but I think thats mainly bcz his house, lol.

Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 08:20 (three years ago) Permalink

lol i remember being like 11 and my parents rented blazing saddles cause they wanted us to see it and they had to stop it after 3 minutes bc they forgot everything about it

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:23 (three years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

In episode 4 of the new season, there's a banner that says 'Happy Birthday Diane and use a pretty font'. That is seriously one of the best jokes I've ever seen. I feel like it must be an old joke, but still.

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 13:54 (two years ago) Permalink

episode 7 gets real

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:36 (two years ago) Permalink

banner joke is a sequel to the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR PEANUT BUTTER, PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD" banner in S1, sounds like

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Sunday, 19 July 2015 15:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh, fish, I saw that one, but didn't get it. There's a callback to it later, with a t-shirt saying: 'I had a ball at Diane's party, and underline ball, I don't know why this is so hard.'

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:29 (two years ago) Permalink

love this season, love this show

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:45 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm rewatching S1 before starting on 2 and there's a second banner, CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Sunday, 19 July 2015 19:54 (two years ago) Permalink

i did not realise lisa hanawalt did the designs!
i watched one episode and kind of hated it.

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 July 2015 20:10 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, episode 7... And that final scene with the nice guy going 'Hey. Smile!' Yikes....

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:29 (two years ago) Permalink

that and the chickens episode (5?) were tops for this season imo

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:32 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I get this show but I did overhear one joke that killed me: One guy says to another "you're seeing the Stones tonight?" but later reveals that "Stones" was short for The Mighty Mighty Bos-"Stones"

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:56 (two years ago) Permalink

Which episodes are Ryan Johnson in? Who does he play?

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:57 (two years ago) Permalink

I would love to take down Hippopopolous and finally topple the acropolis of monstrous hypocrisy that ensconces us!

wk, Monday, 20 July 2015 07:36 (two years ago) Permalink

Is this the first animated comedy that's structured like a cable drama, with the giant emotional climaxes in the second to last episodes? Made it to 11, completely wrecked.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:00 (two years ago) Permalink

only a few episodes in but this season is great so far

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:06 (two years ago) Permalink

I never thought I would say this sentence about a television show, but the autoerotic asphyxiation episode is the funniest thing I've seen all year

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:00 (two years ago) Permalink

Excuse me, the Funky Spider-Man. The Two-Neck Squeeze. The Ol' Gasp & Goo.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Theres a new season? Neat. Must check it out.

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:23 (two years ago) Permalink

Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!

Mordy, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:39 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm ready to take on Hippopopolous and topple this monstrous acropolis which ensconces us!

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:47 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Last 2 episodes were so brilliant and sad

Could never imagine it turning out that way from how it started, wow

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:47 (two years ago) Permalink

(Talking about season 1)

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:48 (two years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VESKjoxAmZg

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

spoiler: it looks great

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I started watching this on the advice of my daughter, who frankly doesn't have a 100% hit rate for these things, but really kind of loved it. It was the simple jokes that did it for me in the end:

  • The first banner with CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD floored me but then the two callbacks I spotted (as noted upthread) were just great.
  • In ep 1 and 2 of S1 Mr Peanutbutter greets Bojack with "what is this, a crossover episode?" while Bojack accuses him of plagiarism. Then in S2 it turns out Hank Hippopolalous said it to them at the 1994 Animal Choice awards first.
  • "Hey, I Think You Can Dance" and "Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!" make me laugh every time.
  • Actually, continuing to refer to it as Hollywoo does as well.
  • In the S2 finale when Mr Peanutbutter is on the phone to Diane, then says that there's someone that looks really like her in the restaurant.
  • Rutabaga Rabbitowotz's constant attempts to grease down his ears.
  • Everything sticking to Charlie Witherspoons' hands.
  • Every time Vincent Adultman opens his mouth.

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Friday, 22 July 2016 07:57 (one year ago) Permalink

So, S3 then. I'll avoid spoilers but:

  • More great banner jokes.
  • The underwater episode is a joy from start to finish.
  • There's a joke that takes all season to pay off. And a callback joke from previous seasons.
  • The episode from 2007 uses the same ideas as previous flashback episodes (generic music and shopfronts) and is none the worse for it.
  • As with previous seasons, episode 11. Man.
  • The Sextina Aquafina episode is possibly my favourite, especially Diane's inability to say "brrap brrap pew pew".
  • Although the Oscar nominations episode.
  • I could watch a whole season set in the Labrador Peninsula.
Not as good as S2, but then what is? The comedy this season is definitely a lot more subtle, how much of a shit Bojack is is much more of a thing than previously (and bearing in mind how much of a thing it was previously...).

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Monday, 25 July 2016 13:39 (one year ago) Permalink

apparently i have not been paying close enough attention when watching this.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Watched the the underwater one last night, unexpected but really nice.

(we always pause when there are a bunch of storefronts/billboards/etc in the scene btw, so many good throwaway jokes)

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

I'm not entirely sure what I think of this show sometimes it's a weird one but the moments of pathos draw me in more than the humor to an extent, it's a very strange juxtaposition

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:04 (one year ago) Permalink

paul f tompkins as mr peanut butter is so good

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Lol also "case". I've been pulling a BoJack tonight, soz

albvivertine, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:43 (two months ago) Permalink

not just sparing. each series only contains ONE use of 'fuck', on each occasion used by an old friend of bojack's severing ties with him. when that was pointed out to me it blew me away.

imago, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:44 (two months ago) Permalink

what will season four's fuck be? D: etc

imago, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:44 (two months ago) Permalink

I think I just meant an *is. Something about this show, maaaaan xpost

albvivertine, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Thanks for a) making it even worse and b) giving new a reason to rewatch

albvivertine, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:50 (two months ago) Permalink

*me. So did the use of "cunt" once mean anything? It shocked me a little.

albvivertine, Friday, 8 September 2017 07:52 (two months ago) Permalink

idk, it's fine if a british person says it ;)

imago, Friday, 8 September 2017 08:04 (two months ago) Permalink

'Obviously I've never heard of your family and/or law firm'

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 8 September 2017 11:33 (two months ago) Permalink

does this come out today or what

Mordy, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:07 (two months ago) Permalink

it's out now

silverfish, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:08 (two months ago) Permalink

awesome

Mordy, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:11 (two months ago) Permalink

God I hate Mr Puppetcheese

albvivertine, Friday, 8 September 2017 16:09 (two months ago) Permalink

not reeeeading don't spoiler no not reading this until the series is finished but holy SHIT the turnaround in mood/everything from episode 1 -> 2. how fucking intense already jesus christ they're mad people this show is the best bye

imago, Friday, 8 September 2017 19:11 (two months ago) Permalink

otm. holy shit.

Frederik B, Friday, 8 September 2017 19:59 (two months ago) Permalink

'Muslim kills at open mic night, Christian kills at grocery store'

Frederik B, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:26 (two months ago) Permalink

I am now going to get stoned and properly poopsock this season

-_- (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:33 (two months ago) Permalink

oh my god this season is fucking incredible

maura, Saturday, 9 September 2017 03:24 (two months ago) Permalink

^^^

Mordy, Saturday, 9 September 2017 03:31 (two months ago) Permalink

"Stupid piece of shit" is really, really uncomfortably close to reality. My family went through nearly the same thing w/my grandmother and a doll.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Saturday, 9 September 2017 19:07 (two months ago) Permalink

just when you think it can't get any better there's a (good) Bunuel homage

imago, Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:35 (two months ago) Permalink

ok all done

fuck

imago, Saturday, 9 September 2017 23:13 (two months ago) Permalink

I was looking forward to this but was kinda scared to watch it

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 10 September 2017 06:54 (two months ago) Permalink

I love the constant background gags.

Jeff, Sunday, 10 September 2017 15:07 (two months ago) Permalink

I pita the ful (Egyptian restaurant) might be my favourite sight gag in the whole thing to date.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:31 (two months ago) Permalink

Ha, I missed that one. Need to rewatch it, I think.

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:50 (two months ago) Permalink

It's in the background when the kettle corn gets stolen.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:56 (two months ago) Permalink

enjoyed the delayed payoff for FHBA: Los Angeles

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:51 (two months ago) Permalink

I wanted a screencap from episode two of the roadside dinosaur attraction for the "dinosaurs staring haplessly" thread but haven't been able to get one.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Just struck me as funny how insecure nerd's fantasy self Mr Peanutbutter (confident, blasé, oblivious, great with ppl) is married to literate glasses-wearing super-cute and nerdy (and Asian, that was a stereotypical nerd thing right?) nerd dream woman Diane. And their marriage isn't really working, cos she needs someone more I dunno, nerdy and bitter.

albvivertine, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 12:29 (two months ago) Permalink

I still find it a bit weird that Diane is voiced by Alison Brie

but anyway this might have been the most consistently good season yet, and the most brutal

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 12:32 (two months ago) Permalink

It's a seriously good show, is the thing. Like a comedy that merits the attention of a drama or something, I dunno.

albvivertine, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 12:57 (two months ago) Permalink

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:04 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This. I typically watch TV while doing random shit on my phone, but I went back and rewatched BoJack season three and got so much more out of it. Who knew that I should pay attention to what I'm watching.

Jeff, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Lots of variations on the phrase "the inimitable side butt" have been popping into my head this week.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:22 (two months ago) Permalink

watched the last two episodes last night and i'm devastated

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:28 (two months ago) Permalink

renewed!

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink

the future child episode was the one that wrecked me this season

I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Friday, 22 September 2017 02:08 (one month ago) Permalink

that episode was almost too brutal

imago, Friday, 22 September 2017 10:38 (one month ago) Permalink

still not sure that the second episode wasn't the most intense. amazing move to throw that one in after the beyond-zany opener

imago, Friday, 22 September 2017 10:39 (one month ago) Permalink

I totally missed the framing of the future child episode the first time I watched it. But also wrecked when I got it the second time through.

Jeff, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:16 (one month ago) Permalink

That penultimate episode with his mother reliving all her memories was an absolute gut punch. Beatrice has been such a horrible character but this season has really recontextualized her.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:02 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I just watched the "stupid piece of shit" ep last night and was in tears at the end, it was way too close to home.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 8 October 2017 23:46 (one month ago) Permalink

season 1 finale hit close to home for me..find this show hard to continue to watch for that reason, some of this is so raw and familiar - not sure I need to be reminded

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 07:06 (one month ago) Permalink

MPB OTM re: universe

Jeff, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 10:56 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

oh my god this season is fucking incredible

― maura

sleeve, Friday, 10 November 2017 05:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Ready for season 5.

Jeff, Friday, 10 November 2017 11:34 (one week ago) Permalink

‘Future child’ was a definite gut punch episode for me.

Series 3 got pretty dark, so I wasn’t sure where things would go with this one, but it was pretty strong.

michaellambert, Friday, 10 November 2017 12:36 (one week ago) Permalink

of course it went deeper into the family. probably the smartest depiction of the psychoanalytic process this side of In Treatment? one of the best series of television i can recall really. what the hell have they got in store for us

imago, Friday, 10 November 2017 12:51 (one week ago) Permalink

tt made the point to me that the newspaper subscription episode in either series 2 or 3 is literally a therapy session and an extremely truthful depiction to boot

imago, Friday, 10 November 2017 12:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Starring Candice Bergen!

Jeff, Friday, 10 November 2017 12:59 (one week ago) Permalink


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