Let's talk about BoJack Horseman, the new Netflix animated series (starring Will Arnett, Alison Brie, Amy Sedaris, Aaron Paul, etc)

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I was surprised there doesn't seem to be any discussion on this yet, seems like it'd be right up ILXor's alley? It starts out like this Archer style super-cynical wise-crackin' show, but starts to get into some deep emotional stuff later on (we haven't watched the final four episodes of the season yet, so please don't include any spoilers about them), and so far it's been really good!

I really like how the main character is seemingly this jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold, but it turns out he's really just a jerk, and yet he's still relatable. I love all the little sight gags they get out of the fact that the world in this series in explicably populated by humans and anthropmorphic animals, like when the BoJack is about to hit an armadillo woman, and she curls into a ball and rolls away, or the Penguin publishing company with actual penguins, or when Princess Carolyn meets her rival agent, Vanessa Gekko, who turns out to be... a normal human woman. Also, the subtle nods to Aaron Paul's most famous role are kinda funny.

All in all I think this series has found a nice balance between Simpsons style absurdist gags and a continuing tragicomic plot; let's just hope the final episode don't screw this up.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 20:58 (six years ago) link

"let's just hope the final episodes"

Here's a good review of the series by Willa Paskin, I think it summarizes nicely what I like about the show.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 September 2014 21:10 (six years ago) link

I like that Lisa Hanawalt did the designs!
Hated the first 3 episodes but the rock opera one sold me, and after that, the existential stuff.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:52 (six years ago) link

got like ten minutes in

lag∞n, Monday, 8 September 2014 00:53 (six years ago) link

The episode where Bojack writes his own counter-memoir was by far my favorite, and the most moving, imo.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Monday, 8 September 2014 00:54 (six years ago) link

done watching things with bojack in the title

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 8 September 2014 07:20 (six years ago) link

my girlfriend and i loved this, waaay better than i expected. i don't think you'll be disappointed in the ending tuomas.

festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 8 September 2014 12:48 (six years ago) link

We watched the final eps, and you're right, they didn't disappoint! Pretty heavy on the pathos (especially the penultimate episode with all the drug epiphanies), but I think they earned it, and it was nice that they didn't go for the easy route of neat closure, since the whole series has been so critical of neat closures.

But yeah, this was definitely better than I expected based on the first couple of episodes... I guess they wanted to lure the viewer in with all this quick-witted Simpsons-style humour before delving deeper into the existential stuff? I know Arnett's role in this makes the comparison easy, but I'd still say this sort of bait-and-switch cynicism-to-sympathy was kinda similar to what Arrested Development did. Apparently there'll be season 2 of BoJack, so will see whether they can keep up the quality as long AD did.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:35 (six years ago) link

Or to put it more simply, Abbott OTM.

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

Also, Vincet Adultman was the best running gag I've seen in a comedy series for a while! And I loved how, in the end, even he wasn't a gag anymore (reflecting on Diane's comment on how it doesn't matter what we are "deep down").

Tuomas, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:41 (six years ago) link

I liked Vincent even more when I learned Maria Bamford does his voice.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:23 (six years ago) link

I tried telling my coworkers about this show during lunch and I started tearing up a little when I talked about Bojack and Diane's final conversation. They were nice about it because, you know, BIG QUESTIONS, but I felt like a goon trying to make small talk about the tv and how the talking cartoon horse made me think.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:25 (six years ago) link

And then cryin'.

when you call my name it's like a prickly pear (Crabbits), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:26 (six years ago) link

Put on the first episode of this yesterday and ended up watching eight episodes in a row. Desperate to watch the remaining episodes but I think my boyfriend would kill me if I ploughed on ahead without him.

It made me think of Archer and Bob's Burgers immediately with its humour but with more laugh-out-loud moments. I was cracking up at Sextina Aquifina and BoJack's first childhood flashback. The pathos really snuck up on me - one minute I was laughing and then all of a sudden it was making me think about Big Thoughts and really feeling sorry for what, on surface level, are mainly unpleasant characters. I can see how people might find it both crass and cynical, and sentimental and schmaltzy, but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

Also:

"Well, I don’t really think about her all much. Obviously, I’m a fan of her early work, which both satirized and celebrated youth culture’s obsession with sex. But I do wonder as a third-wave feminist if it’s even possible for women to “reclaim” their sexuality in this deeply entrenched patriarchal society. Or if claiming to do so is just a lie we tell ourselves to more comfortably cater to the male gaze. On the other hand, I worry conversations like this one often dismiss her as a mere puppet of the industry, incapable of engaging in this discussion herself, an infantilization which is itself a product of the deeply misogynistic society we live in. But like I said, I don’t think about her that much."

If ever a show had a line for an ILX audience...

boxedjoy, Thursday, 11 September 2014 11:33 (six years ago) link

but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

I like how there isn't the sort of "nothing really changes" cynical status quo as with Archer, but neither does the show try to pretend there any easy solutions or cheap epiphanies that would allow the characters to magically change, even if they want to. Most of the characters are insecure egotists, bums, and procrastinators, but IMO it's the desire for change and the realization of how difficult it is that makes them sympathetic and human (even if they're talking animals).

Tuomas, Thursday, 11 September 2014 12:51 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

yeah this show is absolutely ace.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:32 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

the melancholy that gradually creeps into this show really got to me. i actually got a little weepy at the last couple episodes, which is uh not exactly something i expected to happen when i started watching this show.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:31 (five years ago) link

I was watching Mr. Show earlier and this made me think of BoJack

http://i.imgur.com/Htv7vnN.png

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 01:36 (five years ago) link

Ha, a few weeks ago my bf put on an ep of this cos his son wanted to see it. His son is NINE. The ep was the one with the Lindsay Lohan-esque druggy character and by the end of the ep we were all errrr... maybe you shouldnt have watched that, young lad.

"whats heroin, dad?" Arrgh.

I like the show enough, somehow bojack reminds me of Troy McClure but I think thats mainly bcz his house, lol.

Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 08:20 (five years ago) link

lol i remember being like 11 and my parents rented blazing saddles cause they wanted us to see it and they had to stop it after 3 minutes bc they forgot everything about it

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 23:23 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

In episode 4 of the new season, there's a banner that says 'Happy Birthday Diane and use a pretty font'. That is seriously one of the best jokes I've ever seen. I feel like it must be an old joke, but still.

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 13:54 (five years ago) link

episode 7 gets real

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 14:36 (five years ago) link

banner joke is a sequel to the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR PEANUT BUTTER, PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD" banner in S1, sounds like

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Sunday, 19 July 2015 15:10 (five years ago) link

Oh, fish, I saw that one, but didn't get it. There's a callback to it later, with a t-shirt saying: 'I had a ball at Diane's party, and underline ball, I don't know why this is so hard.'

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:29 (five years ago) link

love this season, love this show

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Sunday, 19 July 2015 16:45 (five years ago) link

I'm rewatching S1 before starting on 2 and there's a second banner, CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Sunday, 19 July 2015 19:54 (five years ago) link

i did not realise lisa hanawalt did the designs!
i watched one episode and kind of hated it.

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 July 2015 20:10 (five years ago) link

Yeah, episode 7... And that final scene with the nice guy going 'Hey. Smile!' Yikes....

Frederik B, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:29 (five years ago) link

that and the chickens episode (5?) were tops for this season imo

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:32 (five years ago) link

I'm not sure I get this show but I did overhear one joke that killed me: One guy says to another "you're seeing the Stones tonight?" but later reveals that "Stones" was short for The Mighty Mighty Bos-"Stones"

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:56 (five years ago) link

Which episodes are Ryan Johnson in? Who does he play?

Walter Galt, Sunday, 19 July 2015 23:57 (five years ago) link

I would love to take down Hippopopolous and finally topple the acropolis of monstrous hypocrisy that ensconces us!

wk, Monday, 20 July 2015 07:36 (five years ago) link

Is this the first animated comedy that's structured like a cable drama, with the giant emotional climaxes in the second to last episodes? Made it to 11, completely wrecked.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:00 (five years ago) link

only a few episodes in but this season is great so far

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 22:06 (five years ago) link

I never thought I would say this sentence about a television show, but the autoerotic asphyxiation episode is the funniest thing I've seen all year

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:00 (five years ago) link

Excuse me, the Funky Spider-Man. The Two-Neck Squeeze. The Ol' Gasp & Goo.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:02 (five years ago) link

Theres a new season? Neat. Must check it out.

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 23:23 (five years ago) link

Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!

Mordy, Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link

I'm ready to take on Hippopopolous and topple this monstrous acropolis which ensconces us!

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:47 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Last 2 episodes were so brilliant and sad

Could never imagine it turning out that way from how it started, wow

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:47 (five years ago) link

(Talking about season 1)

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 September 2015 19:48 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VESKjoxAmZg

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (four years ago) link

spoiler: it looks great

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 21:49 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I started watching this on the advice of my daughter, who frankly doesn't have a 100% hit rate for these things, but really kind of loved it. It was the simple jokes that did it for me in the end:

  • The first banner with CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD floored me but then the two callbacks I spotted (as noted upthread) were just great.
  • In ep 1 and 2 of S1 Mr Peanutbutter greets Bojack with "what is this, a crossover episode?" while Bojack accuses him of plagiarism. Then in S2 it turns out Hank Hippopolalous said it to them at the 1994 Animal Choice awards first.
  • "Hey, I Think You Can Dance" and "Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!" make me laugh every time.
  • Actually, continuing to refer to it as Hollywoo does as well.
  • In the S2 finale when Mr Peanutbutter is on the phone to Diane, then says that there's someone that looks really like her in the restaurant.
  • Rutabaga Rabbitowotz's constant attempts to grease down his ears.
  • Everything sticking to Charlie Witherspoons' hands.
  • Every time Vincent Adultman opens his mouth.

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Friday, 22 July 2016 07:57 (four years ago) link

So, S3 then. I'll avoid spoilers but:

  • More great banner jokes.
  • The underwater episode is a joy from start to finish.
  • There's a joke that takes all season to pay off. And a callback joke from previous seasons.
  • The episode from 2007 uses the same ideas as previous flashback episodes (generic music and shopfronts) and is none the worse for it.
  • As with previous seasons, episode 11. Man.
  • The Sextina Aquafina episode is possibly my favourite, especially Diane's inability to say "brrap brrap pew pew".
  • Although the Oscar nominations episode.
  • I could watch a whole season set in the Labrador Peninsula.
Not as good as S2, but then what is? The comedy this season is definitely a lot more subtle, how much of a shit Bojack is is much more of a thing than previously (and bearing in mind how much of a thing it was previously...).

Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Monday, 25 July 2016 13:39 (four years ago) link

apparently i have not been paying close enough attention when watching this.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:15 (four years ago) link

Watched the the underwater one last night, unexpected but really nice.

(we always pause when there are a bunch of storefronts/billboards/etc in the scene btw, so many good throwaway jokes)

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:35 (four years ago) link

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

I'm not entirely sure what I think of this show sometimes it's a weird one but the moments of pathos draw me in more than the humor to an extent, it's a very strange juxtaposition

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 20:04 (four years ago) link

paul f tompkins as mr peanut butter is so good

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 22:52 (four years ago) link

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:26 (seven months ago) link

New (last) eps out now!

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:44 (seven months ago) link

Some welcome discussion about depress ion/meds so far, to talk about when folks have seen it

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:45 (seven months ago) link

ugh can i talk about one of the episodes. i'm not anywhere near done yet and i don't think of it as a major spoiler

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2020 02:28 (seven months ago) link

I’m game

the Hollyhock storyline probably went how it should but was still heartbreaking

babu frik fan account (mh), Saturday, 1 February 2020 05:32 (seven months ago) link

damn just watched all of these, O__o face the whole time

lumen (esby), Saturday, 1 February 2020 07:58 (seven months ago) link

being plunged into diane’s writing process was like watching a horror movie about my own life

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:49 (seven months ago) link

Just finished the last 4.

Todd scene on the beach probably my favourite part of the final season.

Doubling down on out of date information (aldo), Saturday, 1 February 2020 13:53 (seven months ago) link

just finished the penultimate episode

this is the best season of bojack and one of the best seasons of television ever

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 1 February 2020 16:40 (seven months ago) link

Can't wait, will dive in this week.

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 1 February 2020 16:43 (seven months ago) link

just starting E13

Hollyhock's "leave a message... if you're 100" thing kills me, so glad they've called it back once already

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 2 February 2020 03:16 (seven months ago) link

also the shop girls "omg she's taking the call" about Diane

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Sunday, 2 February 2020 03:17 (seven months ago) link

I don't know if they've done this joke before but there was a very funny background reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute in one of the new episodes

nashwan, Sunday, 2 February 2020 12:07 (seven months ago) link

'I could try propositioning some young men on set, that's bound to end well!'

Frederik B, Sunday, 2 February 2020 14:57 (seven months ago) link

Last few episodes destroyed me.

Virtually perfect final episode

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:17 (seven months ago) link

The scene where Diane’s boyfriend’s son gives her book feedback, revealing he both read it and liked it, was great

babu frik fan account (mh), Sunday, 2 February 2020 21:37 (seven months ago) link

Amazing sign joke in the last episode

Frederik B, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:40 (seven months ago) link

"I'm thinking about going with a different company'

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:43 (seven months ago) link

Laughing once again

Frederik B, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:44 (seven months ago) link

The scene where Diane’s boyfriend’s son gives her book feedback, revealing he both read it and liked it, was great

Yes! The little effort they put into him here (and many of the minor characters) - loved it.

DIdn't really like the final scene but no idea what I would've preferred.

Do v v much like the Paige Sinclair spin-off formulating in my head tho.

nashwan, Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:56 (seven months ago) link

Holy shit missed that Paige is voiced by Paget Brewster. Outstanding.

nashwan, Thursday, 6 February 2020 12:58 (seven months ago) link

Amazing

bojack horseman is my favorite show on tv, so in honor of it ending i made bojack-themed posters for this year’s Oscars pic.twitter.com/0btroscFdZ

— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) February 9, 2020

groovypanda, Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:53 (seven months ago) link

I've felt burdened for weeks now by the A+ niche background in-joke where, at the comedy club toward the end, there is the wall of comedians' pictures, and Kristen Schaal is on it, and of course ... Kristen Schaal is a horse

I've felt burdened not only because this is the kind of hilarious micro-reference that you really can't share via explanation with anyone else, but also because it's meant weeks spent with the original old "Kristen Schaal is a horse" chant stuck in my head 24/7

I would now like to pass this situation along to anyone else who recalls the whole "Kristen Schaal is a horse" bit from, like, two presidents ago

I like to imagine the entire complex animal-world of this show was invented solely to lead up to a scene in which Kristen Schaal is a horse (Sarah Lynn is an elaborate misdirect)

ን (nabisco), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:51 (seven months ago) link

that's an unbelievable catch. kristen schaal is indeed a horse.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:01 (seven months ago) link

I noticed that Easter Egg, but didn't realize it went that deep.

Another Easter Egg, this time stitched into the finale: Kelsey's superhero movie (discussed in the 6A finale) was made, with both Gina and Courtney, as proven by a billboard seen over Mr. Peanutbutter's shoulder in the last diner scene.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:06 (seven months ago) link

BTW, Here is a screencap w/the Schaal pic.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:09 (seven months ago) link

Another screencap, with added Paul F. Tompkins!

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:14 (seven months ago) link

aw, brody stevens and garry shandling

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:15 (seven months ago) link

george marlin!

mh, Saturday, 15 February 2020 00:20 (seven months ago) link

Last few episodes destroyed me.
Virtually perfect final episode

I feel the same way pretty much. I also loved that they made one of the main characters asexual

paolo, Saturday, 15 February 2020 09:46 (seven months ago) link

There are so many lines in this I still feel like they must have copied off of some meme somewhere. First and foremost 'When you look at someone through rose-tinted glasses, all the red flags just look lige flags'. But Dianes thing about how her marriage to Mr Peanutbutter never seems to make sense when you look at it but like a magic painting, if you squint just right, it becomes the most beautiful thing in the world. 'But I'm so tired of squinting...' The show is insanely well written. Free Churro...

Frederik B, Saturday, 15 February 2020 11:08 (seven months ago) link

When you look at someone through rose-tinted glasses, all the red flags just look lige flags

I'm pretty positive I had heard that (or a v similar variation) before tbh

I just binge watched the whole season over the last 2 nights. felt strangely comforting for some reason.

for some reason the "lied about dating Natalie Portman" presumably a piss-take of Moby on the whiteboard really cracked me up

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:15 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

Nearly finishing season one. It's very funny but in a very Simpsons-y way at times. Just an FYI question...from the opening post when exactly does this get better, or does something new?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:00 (four months ago) link

I recently did a big rewatch of the whole thing over a couple of weeks but do find it hard to pin down when it really gets good as there are certain storylines I disliked over the first few seasons. But if you're not sold enough by episode 4 of season 3 then that's probably that.

nashwan, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:38 (four months ago) link

It gets better at the end of S1E7 but S2 is a marked improvement overall and then S3 and S4 are very great. Last two seasons not so much but still have their moments

imago, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:32 (four months ago) link

4 = 3 > 2 > 6 > 1 >>> 5, where 1 is 'good'

imago, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:35 (four months ago) link

I thought the whole thing was fine, not great, never noticed any particular jump in quality. By 'not great' I guess I mean it didn't speak to me personally, I enjoyed the wordplay and sight gags more than the tale of a depressed substance abusing washed up horse actor.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:05 (four months ago) link

The show explores more of the other (far more sympathetic than Bojack) characters flaws and feels as it develops which really helps but that's a problem/challenge from the outset with most shows (animated or not) that only seem to get greenlit in the first place because they're initially revolving around a destructive abusive male.

nashwan, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:53 (four months ago) link

I'm now more conflicted about S6 in retrospect. had some amazing episodes/bits, but it really did relitigate previous plotlines entirely too much, it was laborious and overly punishing, and there's a revelation about a previous event that makes BH entirely too much of a heel - it didn't need to go there

they could have condensed S5 and S6 into one season and wrapped it up - they didn't need to have TWO 'Bojack gets cancelled' seasons in a row

imago, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:58 (four months ago) link

6pt2 > 2 = 3 = 4 = 6pt1 > 5 = 1pt2 >>>>>> 1pt1

first stretch by far the weakest in the series, I can see why so many people give up after a few episodes, assuming it's something else entirely

quality pretty consistently high from late s1 onwards imo, some things improved on rewatch. I get thinking 5 is a slight dip but the notion that it's actually bad or something is just weird. unless you just reeaally hate any kind of meta awareness on the show (which felt pretty necessary by that point tbh)

BJ didn't even get cancelled at all until late s6 despite everything, even then seems to be only temporary, which felt grimly realistic

What's (Left), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:26 (four months ago) link

i think it's sorta unsatisfying bc it mostly eschews character growth esp for bojack who i feel like maybe they intended at some pt to redeem but instead decided it would be more satisfying to just have him suffer for his sins. everyone is pretty miserable at the end.

Mordy, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:28 (four months ago) link

maybe more "realistic" to depict "once a fuck-up always a fuck-up" but consequently less fictionally resonant somehow?

Mordy, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:29 (four months ago) link

if he's "redeemed" somehow it feels a bit much given everything he's done, if he's appropriately punished it undermines the whole thing about powerful men getting away with shit that runs through the whole show, etc.

there are signs he may genuinely do better after the finale (he seems a bit more thoughtful, he likes honeydew now), his public rehabilitaiton seems inevitable, but possibly as an edgy Louis CK type figure, he may relapse and fuck up again, who knows, if you wanted closure i guess it's disappointing

What's (Left), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:51 (four months ago) link

i think the philbert stuff in 5 is really tiresome, like the question of "are we condoning this shitty dude behavior if we write a character whose whole personality is shitty dude behavior" is maybe the least interesting question the show asks in its entire runtime

6 nailed the cancellation plot imo

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:58 (four months ago) link

unless you just reeaally hate any kind of meta awareness on the show

lol maybe this is me. i don't think it was written particularly well though

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 May 2020 15:00 (four months ago) link

but it really did relitigate previous plotlines entirely too much

for me it was like they spun a bunch of previous plot threads into this total car crash, it was both riveting and horrible (in a good way) to watch

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 11 May 2020 15:03 (four months ago) link

of course, audiences hate meta [plotlines], when will [cartoon comedy-drama] writers learn?

I may be too kind to s5 bc I sympathise with the impulses behind it idk. still think “BJ the Feminist” is essential, Vance is such a great/horrible character, even more so in his return

What's (Left), Monday, 11 May 2020 15:44 (four months ago) link

Thanks all I'll carry on for a bit longer (instead of re-watching Seinfeld)

xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:05 (four months ago) link

i’m more horse than a man (I’m more man than a horse)

mark s, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:12 (four months ago) link

trying to describe how I feel about this show in retrospect and the only concrete statement I have today: the Mr. Peanutbutter/Pickles relationship dragged on too long

mh, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:18 (four months ago) link


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