Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (five years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (five years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (five years ago) link

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (five years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (five years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: " investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (five years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (five years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (five years ago) link

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (five years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (five years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (five years ago) link

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (five years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:23 (five years ago) link

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (five years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (five years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (five years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (five years ago) link

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (five years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (five years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (five years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (five years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (five years ago) link


goole, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:09 (five years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (five years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (five years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (five years ago) link

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (five years ago) link

i expect the way the law is written permits something like a 'reasonable belief' standard due to the legislators not having imagined needing to require actually being in one's own home so as to exclude people who were wrong about believing they were in their own homes


j., Monday, 30 September 2019 19:43 (three weeks ago) link

The big story in NYC at the moment is about some cop in the Bronx who got shot to death over the weekend while fighting with a suspect (who was also killed), but it seems that the other cops on the scene shot both of them. It's the second friendly-fire cop death this year. Also, this "death of hero cop" story is helping keep the story of another NYC cop who was arrested for molesting a 12-year-old girl at his house out of the news...

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:51 (three weeks ago) link

Apparently 100% of the nyc cops killed on duty this year were killed by cops.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 September 2019 20:42 (three weeks ago) link

so they're finally good for something after all

Simon H., Monday, 30 September 2019 20:49 (three weeks ago) link


Jury finds former Dallas police officer #AmberGuyger guilty of murder in the shooting death of #BothamJean.

— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) October 1, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 15:46 (three weeks ago) link

I’m honestly shocked.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:32 (three weeks ago) link


When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) link


case was insane

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:05 (three weeks ago) link


sleeve, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:24 (three weeks ago) link


An attorney for a city in Mississippi said in court documents a man who was shot by police in a case of mistaken identity has no Fourth or 14th Amendment protections because he was not a US citizen.

Ismael Lopez was shot and killed at his mobile home in July 2017 after police mixed up his address with that of a man wanted for domestic assault. Murray Wells, an attorney representing Lopez's family, said an investigation commissioned by his firm revealed that Lopez died of a single bullet to the back of the head . . .

an attorney for the city filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit on September 4, saying Lopez had no Fourth or 14th Amendment protections because Lopez was an "illegal alien" at the time of his death.

The Mississippi city's recent court filing said Lopez was a convicted felon "for a crime of violence" while in the US, and did "not have the same rights as legal or resident aliens."

"If he ever had Fourth Amendment or Fourteenth Amendment civil rights, they were lost by his own conduct and misconduct. Ismael Lopez may have been a person on American soil but he was not one of the 'We, the People of the United States' entitled to the civil rights invoked in this lawsuit," a city attorney wrote in her motion.

In the conclusion, the city lawyer says, "Federal civil rights are not civil rewards for violating the laws of the United States."

lol there's no way that holds up in court

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:32 (three weeks ago) link

Well, let's assume. But just the absolute brass it takes to say that out loud.

the conclusion of that argument is that anyone here illegally is fair game for use, abuse and slavery of any kind

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 19:41 (three weeks ago) link

My jaw dropped as I read that, the sheer poison of it

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 22:01 (three weeks ago) link

isn't swearing to a, whatchamacall, moral thingy, part of admission to the bar??

j., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 01:43 (three weeks ago) link

After the tears and the verdict, we learn more about Amber Guyer at the sentencing phase. This woman should never have been a police ofcr, armed by the state. The Dallas Police Dept has to answer some questions.

— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) October 2, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:18 (three weeks ago) link

I'm shocked, I tell you

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:22 (three weeks ago) link

Has the s3c0nd c1ty c0p blog been mentioned in this thread so far? Was reminded of it's existence again earlier today and morbid curiosity led me to confirm that yes, it's gotten as bad as you might imagine under the new mayor.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:28 (three weeks ago) link

my right-wing 2nd cty cop cousin links to it so much in social media i'm half-wondering if it's his blog.

omar little, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:30 (three weeks ago) link

you should send your cousin the finding that the Police Lives Matter fb page is based out of Kosovo.

Yerac, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:32 (three weeks ago) link

Xp Is that the home of Uncle Shavedlongcock?

JoeStork, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:36 (three weeks ago) link


a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:07 (three weeks ago) link

Botham Jean's brother was amazingly forgiving and kind in his remarks. Maybe the jury took that into account?

DJI, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:24 (three weeks ago) link

in TX the minimum sentence for murder is 5 years.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:26 (three weeks ago) link

Hard to imagine why so many police officers are domestic abusers

— hungry like the goose (@knight69420) October 4, 2019

The WaPo header above it is ***chef's kiss***

FWIW, that's five years old. I'm sure the cop in question has had time to reflect and adopt a more enlightened perspective.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Friday, 4 October 2019 13:05 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, it's now 'i'm a cop. i will hurt you even if you don't challenge me'

Walked into the Jamaican spot yesterday and stood in line behind to black cops. One of them says “She shoulda got 20 years, 10 is too light.” Other says “You ever see a judge hug one of us after being convicted of murder?”

I was *shocked* to hear NYPD, even black ones say that.

— jelani cobb (@jelani9) October 4, 2019

j., Friday, 4 October 2019 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

Nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good cop. Bad cops make every cop's job a lot harder. I mean if your stance is "no, every police officer's job is fundamentally to maintain and enforce white supremacy" then I guess we're talking past each other, but that's not my stance.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 4 October 2019 16:26 (two weeks ago) link

Nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good cop.

this is false, as any cursory examination of what happens to police whistleblowers will tell you

sleeve, Friday, 4 October 2019 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

Or, there are fuckton of bad cops out there

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

(My dad's cousin was a police officer who was almost murdered by his partner because he wouldn't put up with cop shit)
("almost murdered" may be hyperbole but that's how he tells the story)

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

yeah if anything the dynamic cited just underscores how rare good cops are

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

It was great, at last weekend's National Trans Visibility March in Washington DC, to see all the police that were assigned for security and route control there getting all gasfaced when several speakers said, "Never forget, the police are not our friends, they don't care about crimes against transwomen and they aren't here to protect us."

even if they go in good, the culture tends to squeeze them out or enforce silence early

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:09 (two weeks ago) link

From what I can tell the police situation in Portland is getting increasingly critical. They're having an extremely difficult time finding people. They're trying lowering their standards, because that's certainly going to help things. They're also spending a lot of money on a media campaign to try and improve their public image, presumably under the assumption that if we just UNDERSTOOD them a little bit better we'd trust them. Not sure where they're getting the money for that from. In the meantime, mandatory overtime for everybody! Which, again, is certainly going to help things.

Last time the city needed to negotiate with the police they brought in a firm that specialized in union-busting. Caused a little bit of a kerfluffle, because people out here believe it's important to support unions. If I make an exception to that for anybody, it'd be for the police union.

Me, I live out in a suburb. Nice quiet working class suburb, or was until a bunch of liberal elites moved in and started queering the place up. Lot of pickup trucks. At least a couple of those openly fascist police American flags (wonder if any of the high-priced public image consultants they've talked to have had any feedback on those). I don't go for walks in my neighborhood anymore.

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:29 (two weeks ago) link

Joshua Brown, an essential witness in the #AmberGuyger murder trial, was reportedly killed Friday night in Dallas, Texas.

This comes just days after the former police officer was found guilty of murdering #BothamJean:

— Complex (@Complex) October 5, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:22 (two weeks ago) link


When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:26 (two weeks ago) link

dallas police claiming that three suspects drove four hours from louisiana to buy weed from brown

mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

Disarm the police

jmm, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:00 (one week ago) link

Heard this on the radio today. Apparently a welfare check from a neighbor's phone call because her door was open turned into the cop shooting her.

nickn, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:54 (one week ago) link

The officers found a firearm when they entered the room, the department's statement said.


When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:08 (one week ago) link

So fucking disgusting.

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:08 (one week ago) link

The bodycam video is completely nuts.

jmm, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:09 (one week ago) link

speaking as a cop,

j., Monday, 21 October 2019 15:10 (two days ago) link

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