Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima#Criminal_trials
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (six years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (six years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjZW_F4iuqo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (six years ago) link

http://7online.com/archive/9440401/

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (six years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (six years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: "...an investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (six years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (six years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

http://gothamist.com/2014/08/27/bratton_ignored_25_of_police_miscon.php

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (six years ago) link

http://rt.com/usa/183000-police-departments-lose-military-weaponry/

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (six years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (six years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (six years ago) link

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2014/08/27/minneapolis-cops-allegedly-taze-and-arrest-black-male-sitting-public-space

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (six years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (six years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (six years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (six years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (six years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (six years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

http://www.startribune.com/local/272992321.html

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (six years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (six years ago) link

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/08/28/police-shoot-and-kill-man-in-ramsey

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (six years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2014/08/27/minneapolis-cops-allegedly-taze-and-arrest-black-male-sitting-public-space

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (six years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-shooting-Beaverton-City-Hall-high-mushrooms-217458381.html

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (six years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:
http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/newly-released-police-records-shed-additional-light-on-paul-heenan/article_315e18ac-82e0-11e2-b277-0019bb2963f4.html

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (six years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/race-utah-police-shooting

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (six years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-police-shooting-20140914-story.html

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (six years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (six years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/darrien-hunt-carrying-toy-sword-shot-and-killed-utah-police

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (six years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/16/darrien-hunt-shot-in-the-back-by-utah-police-says-family-attorney

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (six years ago) link

Exactly. What's been happening in Columbus or Minneapolis or any number of other places *just in the last month* is absolutely appalling, for example, and so while these incremental reforms are good insofar as they lessen the severity of the blunt force trauma of the carceral state on the populace, it's still blunt force trauma.

― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:00 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think it's an either/or proposition, in that you can work towards defunding the police all the while make sure that some incremental reforms are being made to lessen the blunt force. There's enough bright minds and energy to go around and work on both counts.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:47 (two weeks ago) link

Tell that to the people I know who have Covid in prison.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:51 (two weeks ago) link

Like we're legit dealing with legalized slavery, and people are like, "it's so great that some people are able to use credit cards to escape slavery!! wow!"

like excuse me wtf, that's bullshit, we all know it's bullshit. That's why I sigh and accept incremental reforms that happen, but am not like jumping up and down for joy when such incremental crumbs are thrown at us.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:54 (two weeks ago) link

I think lots of people don't know it's bullshit which is why it's important to have both a large and smaller picture of the necessary activism to build change.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 22:58 (two weeks ago) link

in a way it's even more harrowing that SO MANY PEOPLE don't know. so goddamn many

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 23:22 (two weeks ago) link

If you think the US government and the corporations that own it are going to stop using a huge source of essentially free labor, then you've got another thing coming.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

Heh I give up, what's the point. If we suggest any other type of activism than your preferred way, it's not good enough and we are horrible people, and then in any case, the situation is doomed and we are naive to think otherwise. There's no attempt at understanding or having a discussion.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 23:42 (two weeks ago) link

I never said anything about you or anyone on this thread being horrible people. And I never suggested anything about activism in this particular discussion.

I am being realistic, which one needs to do in order to properly assess the situation.

I understand the incrementalist view, and I find it insufficient in addressing the substance of the issue, which is the way in which legalized slavery is a huge part of the apparatus of the way this country and its economy are run.

I want people out of jail. I donate 10% of all the money from the workshops I facilitate to bail-out funds.

But recognizing these things as what they are— incremental steps that won't change the substance of the main issue— isn't some sort of affront to decency, and I don't understand why people think that it is.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 00:00 (two weeks ago) link

Some confusion probably draws from your first 'look at Philadelphia just look at it' post, as if Krasner actually made things worse in Philly... when he has been objectively less bad than his predecessors or alternatives.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 00:15 (two weeks ago) link

True, and I guess I didn't clarify that bit about Krasner enough.

Of course Krasner is better than anyone who's come before him— Lynn fucking Abraham was a goddamn monster— but that isn't saying much, and I think it's important to be clear-headed about this stuff.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 00:27 (two weeks ago) link

Big steps are better than no steps, and much better than "let's form a committee to evaluate the efficacy of making a plan for potential incremental steps."

shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 00:50 (two weeks ago) link

In 2020, not a single officer in Newark fired his or her weapon while on duty - a remarkable milestone. De-escalation training is proven and effective.

Alongside our new use-of-force policy, we are building a stronger and fairer New Jersey for all. https://t.co/sI9WWvpqjP

— Governor Phil Murphy (@GovMurphy) January 3, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

that's... kind of amazing? even with the pandemic, which surely contributed to fewer confrontations.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

otm

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:06 (two weeks ago) link

if you can do it in newark, there's no reason you can't do it in any us city.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:15 (two weeks ago) link

Weirdly proud of NJ government lately. Legal pot (I don't smoke but still), I'm now getting health insurance from the state instead of the feds, police de-escalation training...

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, stop embarrassing us up in NY already!

Nhex, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

it's a little weird to see people suddenly cheering on the cops, I'm not saying they are wrong, but definitely feeling some cognitive dissonance and not sure what to think about it

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 19:50 (two weeks ago) link

yeah. no side is good in this situation, but I guess you gotta pick which basket of nazis is worse

Nhex, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:26 (two weeks ago) link

the fact that the cops are basically rolling over here though fits the narrative

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:27 (two weeks ago) link

People will be discussing the inadequacy of cops even more than before. I doubt there will be a groundswell of good feelings like after 9/11.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 20:58 (two weeks ago) link

seeing cops taking selfies with the terrorists is disgusting. The police force needs to be held to account after this.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:05 (two weeks ago) link

Also re: Georgia reports earlier:

As far as I can tell no militia actually attempted to enter the capital building in Georgia that was misreporting and secondhand from someone else. I've talked to the militia groups that are actually here, and it's all news to them.

Actually reporting from Georgia. pic.twitter.com/CXdLAwgySA

— Zach D Roberts (@zdroberts) January 6, 2021

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:07 (two weeks ago) link

that's our "car bomb exploded outside the State building" moment

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:10 (two weeks ago) link

Never applaud cops. Ever.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

Sorry! Wrong thread for my Georgia post. A lot going on today.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

love that this will be taken more seriously (assuming they were just at the “rally” or whatever and not actually storming the Capitol) than you know, murdering an unarmed black teen.

what an absolutely disgusting institution. abolish.

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 9 January 2021 18:26 (two weeks ago) link

medium-key psychopathic language in this letter

Minneapolis Police union president Lt. Bob Kroll sent this email to members this morning announcing his retirement at the end of the month pic.twitter.com/j1wphZrEJf

— Max Nesterak (@maxnesterak) January 11, 2021

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 09:45 (one week ago) link

I’d like him to account for his whereabouts on 1/6.

scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 10:28 (one week ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/nyregion/nypd-james-kobel-racist.html

After two months of investigation, police officials have concluded that a high-ranking officer responsible for combating workplace harassment in the New York Police Department wrote dozens of virulently racist posts about Black, Jewish and Hispanic people under a pseudonym on an online chat board favored by police officers.

The officer, Deputy Inspector James F. Kobel, filed his retirement papers late last week as the departmental inquiry was winding down. But the officials said on Monday that they still planned to bring administrative charges against him as soon as this month for falsely denying that he had written the offensive messages.

“The evidence is strong,” said one senior police official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a personnel matter. “We have no doubt that it’s him.”

/.../

Captain Chris Monahan, who heads the Captains Endowment Association, the union that represents the inspector, defended him in a statement, saying he had served the city and the Police Department for 29 years.

“Given the current political climate and anti-police sentiment, D.I. Kobel did not see it as possible to get a fair administrative trial and decided to avail himself of the opportunity to file for retirement,” the statement said.

rob, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:07 (one week ago) link

ironic.youtube

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:23 (one week ago) link

no UK thread but fuck the police

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:29 (one week ago) link

this article from the Marshall Report itemizes the outrageous costs and blatant kickbacks that lard modern execution and suggests that why this administration legalizes state sponsored murder has far more to do with local economics than justice.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2021/01/14/a-6-300-bus-a-33-last-meal-what-new-documents-tell-us-about-trump-s-execution-spree

When Scott Mueller drove to Indiana in July to see Daniel Lewis Lee die, he stayed at a Holiday Inn. The hotel was nice enough, and only a 10-minute drive from the federal execution chamber in Terre Haute where the man who killed Mueller’s father would take his last breath.The two-night hotel stay cost around $200, and the tab was picked up by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. It amounted to a small fraction of the more than $107,000 the agency spent on hotels for the witnesses and staff who flocked to western Indiana last summer for the federal government’s first executions in nearly two decades. 

A review of the expenses for five executions in July and August—including at least $9,376 for plane tickets and rental vans, more than $25,000 for kosher food and roughly $6,590 for tents—paints a stark and intimate picture of the practicalities of death, shedding light on a secretive process typically hidden from the public and shielded under law.

Records providing details of the spending, which the American Civil Liberties Union estimates totaled nearly $4.7 million over two months, were released under the federal Freedom of Information Act.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 14 January 2021 15:46 (one week ago) link

I know I do this a lot, but I have to say...

it's almost like the US justice system might be irrevocably corrupt!

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:20 (one week ago) link

But really, it reminds me of when my partner and I got stopped for going 75 in a 70 (when other cars were speeding past us) in rural Kentucky. We were moving across the country with tons of stuff and a roof rack, and our car had California plates.

We had less than an 1/8th oz of weed in the car, and so after the two pigs ransacked the whole vehicle— breaking one of my turntables in the process– and turned up nothing, they let us go with a summons.

It turned out that the misdemeanor possession fine was $500, but since I had to pay a lawyer to represent me (because I couldn't go back to rural Kentucky), I ended up having to pay $750 to him and about $700 to the court to make the shit go away.

Of course, it turned out that this lawyer was the only lawyer that represented out-of-towners in the county, and used to work as the county attorney. You can easily see the racket— pigs stop every out-of-state plate they feasibly can, charge em with some bullshit, the person pays a lawyer to represent in court, court gets money to give to the pigs so they can stop every out-of-state plate they feasibly can, and so on and so forth.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:27 (one week ago) link

I mean whole suburbs of St. Louis were set up as basically speed traps for revenue generation. There's dozens of postage stamp municipalities with no property tax base that subsist almost solely on fines and court fees.

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:45 (one week ago) link

That doesn't make it okay.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:49 (one week ago) link

Like, it's hopelessly corrupt and fucked up, tbh.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 January 2021 17:50 (one week ago) link

I mean whole suburbs of St. Louis were set up as basically speed traps for revenue generation. There's dozens of postage stamp municipalities with no property tax base that subsist almost solely on fines and court fees.


Wasn't saying it was!
That doesn't make it okay.


Wasn't saying it was! In fact many of these municipalities Incorporated to keep non whites out.

Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:23 (one week ago) link

But really, it reminds me of when my partner and I got stopped for going 75 in a 70 (when other cars were speeding past us) in rural Kentucky. We were moving across the country with tons of stuff and a roof rack, and our car had California plates.

We had less than an 1/8th oz of weed in the car, and so after the two pigs ransacked the whole vehicle— breaking one of my turntables in the process– and turned up nothing, they let us go with a summons.

It turned out that the misdemeanor possession fine was $500, but since I had to pay a lawyer to represent me (because I couldn't go back to rural Kentucky), I ended up having to pay $750 to him and about $700 to the court to make the shit go away.

Of course, it turned out that this lawyer was the only lawyer that represented out-of-towners in the county, and used to work as the county attorney. You can easily see the racket— pigs stop every out-of-state plate they feasibly can, charge em with some bullshit, the person pays a lawyer to represent in court, court gets money to give to the pigs so they can stop every out-of-state plate they feasibly can, and so on and so forth.

― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:27 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Went through this racket in the town of Roland Oklahoma.

peace, man, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:33 (one week ago) link

I'm sure this scam has been a plot staple in crime dramas and/or comedies for decades.

a degree in bullshit from glasters uni (Matt #2), Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:43 (one week ago) link

There's a Rudyard Kipling revenge story about this very thing, dating from 1913. "The Village that Voted the Earth Was Flat." A politician, some journalists and a music-hall impresario all fall into a village's speed-trap, so to get revenge they orchestrate a massive fake-news campaign about the village and its local judge/MP, manipulate the entire village into taking a collective vote that the earth is flat, and make the whole thing go viral.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:50 (one week ago) link

la county has 88 (!) cities, most of them tiny and relatively white, and the state had to implement an rule about speed limits because the same thing was going on here.

the rule, on the other hand, is insane and kills hundreds of people every year (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-02-19/speed-limit-reform-vision-zero).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:51 (one week ago) link

So Illinois passed a police reform bill yesterday and, boy oh boy, are the crybaby cops mad about it. The big "win" is that the whole state will end cash bail within two years. Otherwise it consists of what I'd say should have already been the bare minimum we ask cops to do - body cams for every cop in the state, limits on spending on military gear, fewer acceptable reasons for using deadly force, etc. Obviously this is no patch on defunding, but it's hilarious to see how the cops are flipping the fuck out over be asked to be held even the tiniest bit accountable for their actions.

There are some cops in my extended family, I never see them (thankfully) and usually manage to forget I'm even related to them, but my brother sent me screenshots of their overly dramatic whiny ass FB posts about how they "have no choice but to move to another state" in order to continue their careers in law enforcement and how "this will destroy us financially" or how they "have to quit". I mean, sure, getting all of your cops to quit being cops is one form of defunding.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:54 (one week ago) link

It’s working for Seattle, big attrition spike after the pigs got their fee-fees hurt all summer by protestors they used chemical weapons on.

Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:48 (one week ago) link

xps

the Coburg Oregon speed traps were so egregious that they prompted statewide legislation:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/notorious-for-i-5-speed-traps-coburg-police-clean-up-their-act/

Once, aggressive motorcycle patrols of the interstate supplied nearly half of Coburg’s $1.7 million municipal budget.

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:58 (one week ago) link

Yeah, it's a whole racket in a lot of places. It's still fresh in my mind because I was supporting two people on an adjunct salary and had to do that shit at the same time and it was fuuuucked up

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Friday, 15 January 2021 01:55 (one week ago) link

“Tell us where the weed is, it will be easier on you.” - cop who was tearing my truck apart when I hadn’t even seen weed in 3-4 years, being white I at least got to laugh at him pulling that.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:12 (one week ago) link


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