Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (five years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (five years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (five years ago) link

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (five years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (five years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: " investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (five years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (five years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (five years ago) link

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (five years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (five years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (five years ago) link

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (five years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:23 (five years ago) link

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (five years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (five years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (five years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (five years ago) link

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (five years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (five years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (five years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (five years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (five years ago) link


goole, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:09 (five years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (five years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (five years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (five years ago) link

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (five years ago) link

LASD are the worst of the worst. worse even than LAPD. just straight up criminals.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 04:58 (three weeks ago) link

I'm sorry I've changed my mind, defunding the police is too risky

But by all means, let’s abolish the police! Would love to see a “social worker” take care of this one.

— Jason Lewis (@LewisForMN) June 19, 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 20 June 2020 19:59 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, arrest that bear!

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 June 2020 20:02 (three weeks ago) link

kuma police

dip to dup (rob), Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

not sure where to post this but there's been a fatal shooting in the CHAZ apparently. :-(

keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:18 (three weeks ago) link

Bear say Abolish the Police to Me

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 21 June 2020 00:42 (three weeks ago) link

What's so frustrating about the CHAZ situation is that anything that happens there immediately gets surrounded by a web of disinformation, usually spread by the police, so it's very hard to get any idea of what actually happened. I'm not super hopeful that we'll find out who the shooter was or where they came from, since the cops have consistently lied about everything and they have a vested interest in implying that the shooter came from within the CHAZ.

Greetings from CHAZbury Park (Lily Dale), Sunday, 21 June 2020 01:19 (three weeks ago) link

an old injustice i hadn't heard about (from last August) is getting new attention:

More than a million people have signed an online petition calling for Aurora officials to reopen the investigation into the death of Elijah McClain — a 23-year-old unarmed black man who died in August following an encounter with Aurora police and paramedics.

The petition calls on Adams County District Attorney Dave Young, along with Mayor Mike Coffman and the Aurora Police Department, to “bring justice for Elijah,” by conducting “a more in-depth” investigation and removing the officers involved from duty....

McClain encountered police on Aug. 24 while on his way home from buying four cans of Brisk tea at a gas station in Aurora.

Officers put McClain, a Denver native and massage therapist in Aurora, in a chokehold and forced him on the ground for 15 minutes. McClain eventually began vomiting and complained he couldn’t breathe.

“There was a physical struggle,” former APD Chief Nick Metz said in October. “When (police) saw (McClain), they told him to stop. He wouldn’t stop. Again, he was wearing a ski mask, it’s 10:30 p.m. at night in a residential area, so obviously that creates some concern.”

At the time, Metz said that because McClain appeared to be in an “agitated mental state,” police requested backup from Aurora Fire paramedics, who injected McClain with the sedative ketamine to subdue his reported anxiety before driving him to a hospital.

McClain apparently suffered a heart attack, fell into a coma and died once taken off life support Aug. 30.

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 22 June 2020 05:48 (three weeks ago) link

online petition

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 22 June 2020 05:51 (three weeks ago) link

Thought this was pretty devastating

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 22 June 2020 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

i've been hearing about hearing HUGE fireworks at 2-3am almost every night
from lots of old nyc friends. lots of rumors that it was an organized thing to keep people awake in the middle of the night, and then of course lots of conspiracy theories and speculation about who was doing it (teenagers? cops? "government forces", etc)

saw this just now:

In West Harlem, 3am. NYPD putting on a show with fireworks in the background. @NYGovCuomo this is what they are paid for huh?

— Jeo (@fromzerotojeo) June 22, 2020

any NYC people have any thoughts?

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:16 (three weeks ago) link

Sounds like psy-ops to me, which fits right in with the fucking counter-insurgency mindset among big city cops.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:20 (three weeks ago) link

God it's crazy to see that footage after reading all those folks on Twitter yesterday absolutely screaming that it was impossible for this to be the cops.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:29 (three weeks ago) link

lol i complained about that on the facebook neighborhood thread but in the space of 8 hours i'm beginning to believe in the conspiracy

contorted filbert (harbl), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:33 (three weeks ago) link

It's fair, tbh. I have a powerful gut instinct to push back against conspiracy theories, esp when there are already enough idiots out there that love fireworks even when it isn't a year when they can be purchased dirt cheap, but that video seems pretty damning.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:40 (three weeks ago) link

It’s like Peggy Olsen riding the Honda in an empty studio only not funny

In my neighborhood, the major ones are set off from the top of an apartment building just across the BQE. I wonder if there’s a way I can get a good look.

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:48 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, in the same "but not funny" way the cops' actions reminded me of a time i got really scared there was a mass shooting because i saw a bunch of cop cars from different agencies driving up a main urban street near me with lights on but later figured out it was the stupid "kinder time toy drive," an annual event that everyone forgets about until they have the same reaction

contorted filbert (harbl), Monday, 22 June 2020 19:48 (three weeks ago) link

icymi, the nyc cops who went to shake shack never even got sick, everyone knew it, yet the police and their unions kept pushing it

mookieproof, Monday, 22 June 2020 20:43 (three weeks ago) link

interesting disparity between the url (how-nypd-faked-shake-shack-controversy-and-conspiracy-theory) and the headline (How conspiracy theories about the NYPD Shake Shack ‘poisoning’ blew up)

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 22 June 2020 20:48 (three weeks ago) link

It was unclear why the sergeant and lieutenant escalated the situation.

Create a counter-narrative where instead of being the aggressors, cops were the victims.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 22 June 2020 20:50 (three weeks ago) link

the cms wouldn't let them change the slug and they were too lazy to rebuild it from scratch xp

mookieproof, Monday, 22 June 2020 20:51 (three weeks ago) link

aww covid got them jonesin bad for some good ol fashioned evidence planting huh xp

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 22 June 2020 22:20 (three weeks ago) link

Report finds not one police department in the 20 largest American cities are compliant with international rights laws

— Jonathan "Boo and Vote" Cohn (@JonathanCohn) June 23, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:58 (three weeks ago) link

this is a cool tactic, when the data's available:

The person on the megaphone is searching up officers information on a web database and announcing how many complaints they have. #Chicago

— Tyler LaRiviere (@TylerLaRiviere) June 24, 2020

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 06:49 (three weeks ago) link

Has anyone seen a good article about whatever happened in Milwaukee yesterday? I've found a couple local stories, but they are either nearly incomprehensible or so strongly written to be in favor of the police that I can't make heads or tails about what might have actually went on. Something about a botched or half-assed police investigation into some missing girls that resulted in a suspect's house being burned down, three people shot and the girls being found again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 14:44 (three weeks ago) link

Wow, you really just went on TV and said that

For a moment I was like, ok Bob Kroll is gonna hide behind his normal friends. But never have I felt more "get the fuck out of my city" than when Sgt. Anna Hedberg talks about the dangers of grocery shopping in Minneapolis with her "two beautiful little girls."

— Wedge LIVE!™ (@WedgeLIVE) June 24, 2020

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 25 June 2020 05:59 (two weeks ago) link

extremely disturbing re: cell phone data tracking protesters

NEW: A location data company monitored 16,902 devices at protest sites in 4 cities between May 29 and May 31.

The company then tried to predict protesters' race, age, gender, and whether they were outside agitators. Here's the story:

— Caroline Haskins (@carolineha_) June 25, 2020

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:11 (two weeks ago) link

what the hell is going on in Milwaukee jfc

On Tuesday night, the mother of one of the missing girls was able to ping the cellphone of one of the missing girls to a two story townhouse in Milwaukee. The mother, along with several others went to the property, in addition to calling police, who ignored them for 10 hours. An attempt at entry was made, and someone from within the house shot at the group, no injuries were reported. The shots were heard much louder than the phone call, and police arrived at the scene. The people within the home were taken into custody. Immediately after, the report from people on the ground starts to diverge from the police and media narrative.

sleeve, Friday, 26 June 2020 04:07 (two weeks ago) link


DJI, Friday, 26 June 2020 04:21 (two weeks ago) link

I'm wary of Medium articles as they aren't well-vetted. I responded to a few tinfoil-hatty COVID articles on there a few months ago.

The sources in that Medium article are almost all Tweets, many of them secondhand, from people who weren't there (though some were from people who were reportedly there). And a lot of conclusions drawn seem a stretch based on what is known now.

I couldn't find many articles that didn't just repeat what the police said, and every other article, including this one, shows the situation is a confusing mess, where both sides can't even agree whether any victims were present in the house or if any sex trafficking was going on.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 June 2020 04:53 (two weeks ago) link seems to have the best coverage on this.

there were multiple units in the house - the people in the upstairs unit (probably not who the activists were looking for) made comments today:

This house has had 27 service calls over the last several years:

and here's another:

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 June 2020 05:05 (two weeks ago) link

thanks for the additional links there

sleeve, Friday, 26 June 2020 13:51 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, thanks. It's really hard to find good, solid information on this. As Neanderthal points out, it's either news based on second-hand tweets or literally word-for-word the cops' side of things. This story has been on my mind as we watched the last half of season 2 of Mindhunter, which does a pretty good job of how the police completely ignored, then completely mishandled, the 79-81 Atlanta child murders.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 26 June 2020 15:23 (two weeks ago) link

Two female protesters injured in a hit and run in Seattle yesterday--one died.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 5 July 2020 16:20 (one week ago) link

Fuck :(. I knew about the incident, did not realize one died.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 July 2020 16:29 (one week ago) link

i know they haven't determined if it was 'intentional' yet, but it doesn't matter, Trump will say some shit like "she shouldn't have been in the road", and her poor family is going to have to listen to her get excoriated in the press :(

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 July 2020 16:31 (one week ago) link

The driver drove the wrong way on an off-ramp to get to the protesters, and they've said he wasn't impaired, so it seems pretty intentional.

The police are now saying protests won't be allowed on the freeway in future, and basically if you go on the freeway you take your chances with getting hit.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 5 July 2020 18:27 (one week ago) link

yes, that's the changed that needed to happen. the protesters need to change their ways.

fuck the police.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 July 2020 19:39 (one week ago) link

and yea seeing the video (or the screenshot,I can't watch the video rn), there's no way it wasn't intentional.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 July 2020 19:41 (one week ago) link

Belgrade riots: Police approaches and brutally beats 3 guys on a bench for no reason.

— Sergej Dojcinovic (@Serdjosega) July 7, 2020

Attacks by police in Belgrade

anvil, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 19:16 (one week ago) link

five times. in the back.

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 19:35 (one week ago) link

LASD is the worst police force in the country, but luckily the DA responsible for handling this case and all others in LA county ... has a section on her wikipedia page titled "Refusal to prosecute law enforcement", and has a record of going to the trouble of seeking to prosecute exactly one (1) of the 600+ sherrif's deputies and police officers who have killed people since she became DA.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 20:10 (one week ago) link

I had to step way back from Twitter this weekend, all of the "well they shouldn't have been in the road" shit was making me physically ill.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 20:50 (one week ago) link

Not surprising at all but idk where else to put this. Not Apolitical enough for the Apolitical venting thred; too New York is Alive for the is NYC dead thred:

I thought this was quite good, and a nice piece of context for how we got here:

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 05:47 (yesterday) link

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