Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (six years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (six years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (six years ago) link

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (six years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (six years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: " investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (six years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (six years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (six years ago) link

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (six years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (six years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (six years ago) link

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (six years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (six years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (six years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (six years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (six years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (six years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (six years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (six years ago) link

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (six years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (six years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (six years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (six years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (six years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (six years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (six years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (six years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (six years ago) link

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (six years ago) link

fuck technology and specifically fuck the cops who figured "ehhh, this is close enough/good enough, it's only fucking up someone's whole life we're talking about here"

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 May 2021 14:52 (two months ago) link

can someone more knowledgeable than me explain why this is no big deal? because it's making me concerned

The picture shows Mitchell, 31, standing next to two cousins in Washington, D.C. He is wearing a Black T-shirt with a picture of King surrounded by the words, "GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS" and "BLM" (Black Lives Matter). Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds.

Mitchell said he answered "no" to two questions in the juror questionnaire sent out before jury selection that asked about participation in demonstrations.

The first question asked, "Did you, or someone close to you, participate in any of the demonstrations or marches against police brutality that took place in Minneapolis after George Floyd's death?"

The second asked, "Other than what you have already described above, have you, or anyone close to you, participated in protests about police use of force or police brutality?"

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:13 (two months ago) link

Mitchell said he answered "no" to two questions in the juror questionnaire

It can be used among Chauvin's grounds for appeal. How big a deal it becomes will be up to the appeals court.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:30 (two months ago) link

Juror could also conceivably get done for perjury because you’re under oath for voir dire, I don’t know if that ever happens in practice

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:39 (two months ago) link

it was an anniversary march for MLK march on washington, so not SPECIFICALLY a police brutality rally, but that shirt, i dunno...

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:48 (two months ago) link

i am not a minnesota lawyer but the law is probably similar--it's really hard to get a verdict overturned for this reason. it sounds like this may have been a matter of interpretation because it said the march or protest had to be about a very narrow thing and maybe he didn't see it that way. hard to say when you can't see how the answers he gave actually came out, but if he said his opinion of blm was "very favorable" it would be reasonable for appeals court to say the topic was covered elsewhere and there was no prejudice.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:52 (two months ago) link

also the first question specifically says "took place in Minneapolis", and this photo is from DC, so no interpretation needed, "no" was the correct answer

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:00 (two months ago) link

read the next paragraph...

superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:01 (two months ago) link

Mitchell can say he is a strict constructionist and therefore he interpreted the wording of the questions in the narrowest possible way.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:24 (two months ago) link

part of why this makes me nervous is mostly because the right is taking it as a chance to gloat with certainty about what happens next. we unfortunately have to be honest with ourselves

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 19:15 (two months ago) link

what the fuck is this headline

A baby boy died from injuries suffered when Mississippi police gunned down his murder-suspect father, authorities say.

— NBC News (@NBCNews) May 5, 2021

frogbs, Thursday, 6 May 2021 03:29 (two months ago) link

guess until they can "definitively rule out" that the murder-suspect did NOT shoot his own baby, they have to talk around it like that

Nhex, Thursday, 6 May 2021 03:43 (two months ago) link

he really might be the worst of the technocrats, and that's a tough field to compete in

sleeve, Sunday, 16 May 2021 04:57 (two months ago) link

Anyone have thoughts about this? Is this set of stuff a decent first milestone to push for?

I'm getting questions on the new law passed by Brooklyn Center tonight, so here's your cheat sheet. It's one of the most audacious overhauls of policing I've ever seen. Won't fix everything but goes long way 2 limit police power & create alternative community safety structures 1/

— Udi Ofer (@UdiACLU) May 16, 2021

lukas, Sunday, 16 May 2021 17:40 (two months ago) link

This article talks about the fact that it wouldn't remove cops from all traffic stops:

Cops only being able to arrest people for felonies seems like a big deal? idk

lukas, Sunday, 16 May 2021 17:46 (two months ago) link

Yang getting closer to giving the police eugenics powers.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:45 (two months ago) link

ahh yes, mulligans for killing special needs people, real great development there Yang

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:47 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

The entire Portland police unit assigned to protests has resigned from the team, a day after a grand jury indicted one of their own.

— Portland Mercury 🗞 (@portlandmercury) June 17, 2021

brain just flooded with serotonin right now

lukas, Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:13 (one month ago) link

you absolutely love to see it

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:20 (one month ago) link

They’ll be back at the protests tho with the Pr*ud B*us and P@triot Pr@yer

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:20 (one month ago) link

this is the same thing they did in buffalo though. they're still cops they just don't want to be on the g.i. joe military combat police team anymore because their feelings got hurted

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:43 (one month ago) link

o no who will shoot tear gas at us now?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:47 (one month ago) link

so many great lines, but this is my favorite

"It takes roughly a year to train new officers in Asheville, and of seven who started in December, six have already quit, Chief Zack said."

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 24 June 2021 16:57 (one month ago) link

officers said they were asked to handle too much; they were constantly thrown at tangled societal problems like mental health breakdowns or drug overdoses, they said, for which they were ill-equipped

tbh they’re right and they should say it

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 24 June 2021 16:58 (one month ago) link

It’s almost as if these problems require a different solution other than a police officer

an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 24 June 2021 17:10 (one month ago) link

I mean this is the actual text of the Defind The Police movement, isn't it?

burnt hombre (stevie), Friday, 25 June 2021 07:40 (one month ago) link

Lol Asheville, who will protect the 1,000 microbreweries now?

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 25 June 2021 15:12 (one month ago) link

22.5 years for Chauvin

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Friday, 25 June 2021 20:12 (one month ago) link

May his name be erased

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Friday, 25 June 2021 20:53 (one month ago) link

Absolutely not

May he be another George Zimmerman

an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Saturday, 26 June 2021 01:26 (one month ago) link

Zimmerman is a folk-hero to some Trumplings

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 26 June 2021 01:34 (one month ago) link

The worst Jewish curse is יִמַּח שְׁמוֹ וְזִכְרוֹ (Yimach shemo ve-zichro -- May his name and his memory be erased).

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 26 June 2021 01:44 (one month ago) link

see also damnatio memoriae

Clay, Saturday, 26 June 2021 01:56 (one month ago) link

I agree with DJP. Erasing his name helps the right's efforts to whitewash the country's history of racial violence.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Saturday, 26 June 2021 02:25 (one month ago) link

silby is jewish

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 26 June 2021 02:40 (one month ago) link

i suspect the jewish meaning of this phrase is entirely different than 'ignoring that he killed a man'

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 June 2021 02:44 (one month ago) link

it's all situational.

whether intentional or not, committing a sufficiently heinous crime confers infamy on a person, which can also grant them a kind of immortality. Adolph Hitler will not soon be forgotten. that's the sort of thing the jewish proverb is intended to address.

otoh, living with universal infamy, if you have no resources or ability to cushion yourself from the hatred you inspire, can make the rest of your life a living hell. you're a leper until you die. that's probably more what DJP has in mind for derek c.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 26 June 2021 03:16 (one month ago) link


mookieproof, Saturday, 26 June 2021 04:06 (one month ago) link


Asheville, such a case study of a neoliberal dystopia. It has always had terrrible income inequality, there was never really any sustainable basis for economic development there. Only over the past 30 years has there been much real growth in the economy at all, and that's almost entirely thanks to "winterbirds" from FL buying their second or third homes, and some tourist money coming in. None of which improved the income inequality.

At least there was a time when the Democrat-controlled state government seemed to be making moves in the right direction, but then they got ousted and the R's took over, killing any chance at development leading to any real social progress.

It is also the most corrupt police department I've seen in the USA. Idk about recent years but not that long ago, the main and very obvious place to buy drugs there was behind the main police station. I don't mean somewhere near the station, I mean you walk out the back door of the cop shop and directly in front of you is a flourishing open-air drug market.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 26 June 2021 04:36 (one month ago) link

I’ve been to Asheville a couple times. it seemed nice.

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 26 June 2021 13:45 (one month ago) link

That's how they fool you.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:20 (one month ago) link

Twelve or so years ago my friend and her boyfriend were able to rent a little house by a river there, out in the country but within walking distance of the college, for what seemed to me like a shockingly low monthly rent. He was a broke college student and she was a nanny, but they had a decent quality of life. That's always made me think well of Asheville. Sad to hear it's not really like that.

Lily Dale, Saturday, 26 June 2021 17:54 (one month ago) link

it’s just impossible to exaggerate how dramatically and reflexively cops lie

— matthew (@pi_maxiu) June 27, 2021

Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 27 June 2021 23:36 (one month ago) link

my god that is fucked up

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 28 June 2021 00:49 (one month ago) link

oh boy

StanM, Wednesday, 7 July 2021 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, that's fucking awful. That poor girl.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 July 2021 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

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