Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (five years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (five years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (five years ago) link

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (five years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (five years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: " investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (five years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (five years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (five years ago) link

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (five years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (five years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (five years ago) link

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (five years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:23 (five years ago) link

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (five years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (five years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (five years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (five years ago) link

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (five years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (five years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (five years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (five years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (five years ago) link


goole, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:09 (five years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (five years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (five years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (five years ago) link

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (five years ago) link

Tasering? Really? What a disaster this policy is.

— Second Ave. Sagas (@2AvSagas) October 29, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:51 (three months ago) link

jesus, tasered for fare evasion is fucked.
daily reminder to hold the exit door and swipe anyone who looks like they need it as you leave if you have a monthly

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:18 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Transit cops restrain and handcuff a black dude for eating a sandwich. Transit manager apologies, one of the Transit board members participates in a demonstration against this action, Cop Union Rep says, actually, nah, not sorry.

sarahell, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:26 (three months ago) link

police unions = the worst unions

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:55 (three months ago) link

well, they're good for their members ... like, they will stand by you if you kill someone because you are stupid, scared and racist! Also, cops tend to have really impressive pension benefits ... that are at risk for bankrupting the cities where they brutalize people, but hey, not a bad deal for the cops.

sarahell, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:05 (three months ago) link

Y'ever notice these minor, pedantic rules that white folks routinely flout get treated like serious crimes when minorities get arrested for them?

"He was told no eating on the platform, he got what was coming to em!"

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:20 (three months ago) link

Also the belligerence excuse.

Last i looked, cussing someone out isn't illegal

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:22 (three months ago) link

I've been arguing about this on fb w/people taking the cop's side ... one of whom brought up the fact that the guy used the homophobic "f-word" as why the guy "deserved" it. And to me, it reinforces the bullying aggro bro aspect of police, where it's mostly about asserting authority and power, and, not to defend the use of that word, but, I feel like his use of it, towards the cop, was basically acknowledging that the cop's behavior wasn't about "safety" or "compliance" but about asserting power and was retribution for "not doing what I told you to do" and being aggressively masculine.

sarahell, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:44 (three months ago) link

asserting authority and power,

this is every cop's raison d'etre - if you don't cower before the badge they will look for some pretext that allows them to assert that authority and *make* you cower

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:48 (three months ago) link

issuing a citation is basically the bureaucratic symbol for "I'm a cop, suck my dick"

sarahell, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:54 (three months ago) link

Compare with “transport in London is shit” where a woman called another woman disgusting for eating hard boiled eggs on the tube, which is apparently newsworthy over there

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:03 (three months ago) link

tbf, that is disgusting behavior

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:04 (three months ago) link

xp the first woman was fined £1500 and presumably has a criminal record now tbf

gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:59 (three months ago) link

The ‘he was asking for it, he was eating a sandwich’ thing contrasted with the bristling over smoking laws etc. is a nice illustration of conservative politics where there “must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect...”

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 14:51 (three months ago) link

I mean fuck, the Bundy clan

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:08 (three months ago) link

Maybe that comma wasn't necessary

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:08 (three months ago) link

DJI, Friday, 15 November 2019 18:31 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

If only civilians shot by police got such kid-gloves in the press:

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 03:18 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

PG county cop charged with second-degree murder after shooting a guy whose arms were cuffed behind his back seven times

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 02:53 (three weeks ago) link

7 times.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 03:02 (three weeks ago) link

all I know about PG county is from dialog from The Wire :(

sarahell, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 19:55 (three weeks ago) link

It plays a big role in Between the World and Me as well.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:32 (three weeks ago) link

It’s where I live and work. Also a much different place than it was 20 years ago.

Heez, Thursday, 30 January 2020 01:06 (three weeks ago) link

This is going on where I live. The school board member expressed concern that armed cops stationed in schools would end up shooting children of color and the Blue Lives Matter folks are calling for her head.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 January 2020 15:04 (three weeks ago) link

Blue lives are the biggest snowflakes. Fuck's sake.

"There are instances and the data supports some of this stuff that they were suggesting about African American males being more likely to be shot by police," said Chief Molloy, "but saying those statements without any data, without any context, does not lend itself to a fruitful exchange of ideas that will bring us together."

Translation: The facts hurt my feelings!!

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 30 January 2020 17:05 (three weeks ago) link

there are data to support this, but mentioning said data, without mentioning the data, does not lend itself to wlczvnzxcvjhasd;gfas;djfasdasss

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 17:09 (three weeks ago) link

no charges against the cop

BREAKING: Solano County District Attorney Krishna Abrams will not file charges against Vallejo Police Officer Ryan McMahon for the February 2018 shooting death of Ronell Foster.

— Open Vallejo (@OpenVallejo) January 31, 2020

j., Saturday, 1 February 2020 04:34 (three weeks ago) link


Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 1 February 2020 04:39 (three weeks ago) link

McMahon told police investigators that he wanted to stop Foster “to educate the public on the dangers that this person was creating for himself and the traffic on Sonoma Boulevard,”

mookieproof, Saturday, 1 February 2020 07:11 (three weeks ago) link

ICE agents just shot two brothers, one in the face, while attempting to serve a deportation order. Both were unarmed. Neither was the man they were actually looking for.

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) February 6, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 February 2020 15:37 (two weeks ago) link

Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!

— SBA (@SBANYPD) February 9, 2020

mookieproof, Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:14 (two weeks ago) link

god I just can't....

ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

Vile creatures ie the citizens whose safety and security the police are supposed to be responsible for.

There's so much...where do I even....

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:02 (two weeks ago) link

as bad as my primary school experience was, i thank god every day i'm not growing up in the current era of manbabies with guns patrolling the high school perimeter

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:00 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah for real.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:01 (two weeks ago) link

I knew the kid who would call in bomb threats to our school to avoid taking tests! he was a good student and ended up in the military! he would almost certainly still be in jail if he did that shit in this climate!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

man i'd be a good student too with all that extra test prep time

omar little, Monday, 10 February 2020 17:08 (two weeks ago) link

Back then i am fairly sure my school ignored bomb threats.

Columbine didn't happen til my senior year

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

Wait so that kid who got a gun pulled on him ended up getting expelled for that?

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

At the end of the video the (white, I think) lady is talking about suspending him for swearing and calling her the n-word, which he denies and then calls her a racist

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

Some unpacking here:

1. This is not a random pyscho "declaring war". It's the official twitter account of an organization representing NYC police officers.

2. For past 5 years, de Blasio has avoided criticism of the NYPD, done nothing to reform them, been 110% pro-cop. This is what that gets you.

— JW Mason (@JWMason1) February 10, 2020

"There's a problem here which I don't think progressives have really grappled with. We tend to approach policing as just another public function that could be performed better in various ways. But things like this bring out how police are a distinct political problem."

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 10 February 2020 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

A friend in Portland posted on fb this insane story about an small-town Oregon police department just outside Oregon surveilling, arresting, seizing property from, then (falsely) charging an African-American guy with theft, all to get him to drop accusations of racial discrimination/harassment against his employer/boss who was an acquaintance of the police chief.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:27 (one week ago) link

Despite the settlements the guy received, the end is some kick in the teeth.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:28 (one week ago) link

This story isn't insane; it's expected.

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:15 (one week ago) link

oregon police are terrible and racist and not accountable to any civil authority. last time portland needed a police chief the mayor undertook an extensive search and wound up hiring a Black lady from california. she was not the police union's preferred candidate but she still seemed to spend most of her time going on right-wing talk shows until she abruptly left this year to become police chief in philadelphia. good luck with that philly. this time around the mayor just randomly promoted somebody, which is probably smart because it doesn't fucking matter who the police chief is.

the worst most hateful shit comes from the police unions, and nobody of course dares to say anything about it because unions are sacred cows whether or not one of them is very obviously a Racist Bastards Club.

just like all of the other american institutions that are failing, i expect this to continue to not be addressed and cops to continue to spend their time hunting for Black people to hurt.

you know my name, look up the number of the beast (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:41 (one week ago) link

Sorry DJP. I totally agree and did not mean to make this seem like an outlier.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:58 (one week ago) link

Anderson Cooper is a legend.

— Ian Sams (@IanSams) February 22, 2020

j., Saturday, 22 February 2020 04:38 (three days ago) link

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