Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

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fwiw I can't think of a single case where a cop was actually convicted of criminal murder charges and served time, unless it was part of some larger corruption scandal (Rampart, CRASH, New Orleans, etc.) or a cop murdered his wife or some shit. Generally speaking this just does not happen.
many xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:04 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima#Criminal_trials
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:06 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp yea i looked it up briefly and the majority of cases seemed to be corruption charges
― marcos, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously any cop going to prison for murder of a civilian is probably gonna get shanked real quick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:04 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah this is true
― k3vin k., Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:07 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had forgotten, but one of Abner Louima's cop attackers is serving 30 years.
that wasn't murder tho. when a cop kills a person, all these other justifications are usually brought up for why, and those are leaned on very heavily by the defense. whereas there is no conceivable justification for sodomizing a suspect w a broomstick.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/

these guys went to trial and got acquitted so its not always cut and dry

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link

i started this thread a long time ago but it kind of bricked

The most imprisoned people in history: rolling US criminal justice & law enforcement thread

can i suggest that the whole criminal justice pipeline be up for discussion here

goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

go for it

can we make this play when the page loads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjZW_F4iuqo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

http://7online.com/archive/9440401/

"stop resisting"

Plasmon, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link

some good news, at least

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link

Best line is buried near the end: "...an investigation by Bloomfield PD's scandal plagued internal affairs division had found no wrongdoing by officers."

Aimless, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link

A coroner’s report obtained exclusively by NBC News directly contradicts the police version of how a 22-year-old black man died in the back seat of a Louisiana police cruiser earlier this year -- but still says the man, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, shot himself.

In a press release issued March 3, the day he died, the Louisiana State Police said Victor White III apparently shot himself in an Iberia Parish police car. According to the police statement, White had his hands cuffed behind his back when he shot himself in the back.

But according to the full final report of the Iberia Parish coroner, which was released nearly six months later and obtained exclusively by NBC News, White was shot in the front, not the back. The bullet entered his right chest and exited under his left armpit. White was left-handed, according to family members. According to the report, the forensic pathologist found gunshot residue in the wound, but not the sort of stippling that a close-range shot can sometimes produce. He also found abrasions on White’s face.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/handcuffed-black-youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016

anonanon, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link

At least one person got irritated with me for declining to vote for deBlasio in the (sewn-up) general election for NYC mayor. Then he appointed old hand Bratton to be police commish, and then...

Commissioner Bill Bratton, Mayor de Blasio's choice to lead the NYPD to a new age of transparency and discipline, turned away 25% of police misconduct findings by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, opting to ignore their recommendations for disciplining misbehaving officers. This is around the same rejection rate that former commissioner Raymond Kelly maintained before leaving office at the beginning of the year.

"I suggest you come back in six months and see how we’re doing,” Bratton told the New York Times in a phone interview yesterday."Based on my eight months sitting in that chair, my sense was that CCRB was significantly overcharging and overpenalizing.”

http://gothamist.com/2014/08/27/bratton_ignored_25_of_police_miscon.php

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link

http://rt.com/usa/183000-police-departments-lose-military-weaponry/

Already, the investigation has found that police departments in Arizona, California, Mississippi, Missouri, Georgia, and others have lost or cannot account for various types of weapons. This list includes M14 and M16 assault rifles, .45-caliber pistols, shotguns, and even vehicles.

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm sure a search of a few police officer homes would turn them up, tanks included.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:11 (ten years ago) link

Reminds me of back in high school a buddy of mine got a job working at a gas station and used to hand out free packs of cigarettes to the cute girls and drug dealers who came in for a few months until he was caught and arrested. Bet there are some cute girls and drug dealers in Maricopa County with some military grade weaponry now.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2014/08/27/minneapolis-cops-allegedly-taze-and-arrest-black-male-sitting-public-space

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link

I think we can expect a whole lot of shootings of people who were "charging" in the near run.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link

The earlier crime of vandalism appears to have been throwing rocks at cars

This whole thing of police either tasing or shooting people and then expecting them to "comply" and "cooperate" and "stop moving" is just . . . WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY????

“The guy charged at [the second officer], and he got about 5 feet away before the officer fired his weapon three times,” Toby said. “And the guy went down, and they got one cuff on him. They were yelling, ‘cooperate, cooperate; give me your hand, give me your hand,’ but he wouldn’t give the hand. He was kicking his legs. And I think, at that point, the guy passed away.”

*blam!* *blam!* *blam!* "cooperate! cooperate!"

Please hear me doing that in my most contemptuous imitation of a fuckwit that I can possibly muster.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link

Oh, I see you got to that point before me.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link

sorry no time to cooperate, busy dying

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link

jesus fuck.

how's life, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately. Also, it involved a white guy.

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction too

, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link

busy night for these guys.

they did not shoot anybody here tho:

http://www.startribune.com/local/272992321.html

(that chase screamed by right in front of my building fyi)

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link

well i guess it doesn't say they didn't shoot him

goole, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/08/28/police-shoot-and-kill-man-in-ramsey

Uh what the hell is going on - this is a different story than earlier today

cops twitchy, journalists on the lookout

j., Friday, 29 August 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link

Well except cops killing people would be reported in this town whenever and that makes 2 today and I don't remember the last time one happened

Preliminary search says three people killed by cops this month, 2 dogs no people last month, none in the rest of 2014. So yeah

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2014/08/27/minneapolis-cops-allegedly-taze-and-arrest-black-male-sitting-public-space

i never hear a reason on the video—just 'do what we say or else'

― j., Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 29 August 2014 14:46 (ten years ago) link

Twitter/Tumblr's been really good at unearthing stories of Things White People Can Do To Cops And Live To Tell About

From last year:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-shooting-Beaverton-City-Hall-high-mushrooms-217458381.html

, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

fuck, one of my friends is in that article about the shooting in St Paul, she was working at the coffee shop nearby.

JoeStork, Friday, 29 August 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link

the cops here are open-minded enough to kill white people too:
http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime_and_courts/newly-released-police-records-shed-additional-light-on-paul-heenan/article_315e18ac-82e0-11e2-b277-0019bb2963f4.html

this was a couple years back, but it was a block and a half from my house, lots of my friends knew the victim (he was a musician), etc.

the cop was cleared of any wrongdoing for the shooting but fired for other reasons (yeah, ok), but i believe that external investigations into police shootings are now required in WI due to the efforts of his friends & family.

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link

boy with toy sword shot from behind

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/race-utah-police-shooting

mattresslessness, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link

I saw that, horrifically sad

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link

Multiple witnesses say he was running away AND an independent autopsy report found that he was shot in the back

Direct contradictions of the police officer's report that he 'lunged' at the officer

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-police-shooting-20140914-story.html

, Monday, 15 September 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link

It seems to me that police doctrine is that the instant you are suspected of unlawful behavior, you are presumed to be dangerous and are fair game for any amount of force to be used against you, with the idea that it is far better that you are killed or wounded than any police officer ever be hurt. This doctrine goes back a very long time in the USA, but the difference now is that it has become officially recognized and codified by the legal system and courts.

It apparently does not matter whether the suspicion is justified or not. It apparently does not matter whether you present any clear or present danger by your actions. So long as the officer "felt threatened", any amount of force is justified to nullify that imagined threat. In practice, this, of course, nullifies the entire concept of "excessive force".

Aimless, Monday, 15 September 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link

Autopsy report shows police shot Darrien Hunt in the back, lawyer says

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/darrien-hunt-carrying-toy-sword-shot-and-killed-utah-police

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:17 (ten years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/16/darrien-hunt-shot-in-the-back-by-utah-police-says-family-attorney

“We haven’t even interviewed the officers yet,” said Taylor. “We’ve talked briefly with them just to kind of get an idea of what the scene was at the time.” He said officers were typically interviewed within 48-72 hours of a shooting. One is now scheduled to be interviewed on Tuesday and the other on Thursday, more than a week after the shooting, he said.

“I’m stunned. I find that almost incomprehensible,” Edwards, the attorney for Hunt’s family, said after being informed of this by the Guardian. “You want to speak with the officers almost immediately afterwards, when their memories are fresh and before they have had a chance to corroborate their stories.”

Andy K, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

"there's FENTANYL ON THAT ACORN"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 23:48 (eight months ago) link

It’s going to grow into a Fentanyl Tree

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 23:55 (eight months ago) link

sometimes you feel like a nut

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:02 (eight months ago) link

Amazing that with two officers firing into the car they didn’t hit the handcuffed guy. If you’re going to be in a car getting shot at, I guess be in a cop car.

It says Officer Acorn was just hired last year. Every police dept in America has hired a bunch of new people because there have been a ton of retirements. And not much of anybody wants to be a cop these days, so they can’t be choosy about the ones who actually apply and manage to squeak through the qualifications.

Which is to say, if you thought cops were bad before …

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:14 (eight months ago) link

he didn't know he hadn't been hit until he got to the hospital and they told him.. wtf?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:16 (eight months ago) link

What if they never told him

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:19 (eight months ago) link

That guy is going to end up a right wing grifter talking about how god healed his acorn wound

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:21 (eight months ago) link

always worth remembering that pizza delivery drivers have a more dangerous job than these clowns

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:35 (eight months ago) link

dude needs to lay off the Monster energy drinks

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:44 (eight months ago) link

esp since *multiple people* who merely pulled into the wrong person's drive way have been shot by gun-touting homeowners in the last year, each the time police saying "shucks if only we could do somethin"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:48 (eight months ago) link

Not that we want to really amp up every cop’s Delta Force fantasy with more gun training but the yearly qualifications for cops are ridiculously low for a license to carry a gun 24/7 and kill with near impunity.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 15 February 2024 00:56 (eight months ago) link

dude needs to lay off the Monster energy drinks

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, February 14, 2024 7:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Cops drink Bang.

peace, man, Thursday, 15 February 2024 12:36 (eight months ago) link

https://abc7.com/tennessee-deputy-missing-found-dead-robert-leonard-first-arrest/14429043/

article focuses 99% on the dead cop and gives maybe a sentence to the detainee in the backseat that died because of him, a mother of two

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 22:06 (eight months ago) link

Yeah really gross

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 19 February 2024 01:14 (eight months ago) link

Two stories in a row about new cops endangering/killing people.

I’m sure it’s fine.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:38 (eight months ago) link

Fuck police

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:44 (eight months ago) link

There's great pressure to hire more police, and in a shrunken labor pool we are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. I expect Republican states to start employing child cops.

My locality is complaining about a persistent shortage of cops (shortage versus ideal staffing levels, whoever determines those) in our otherwise low-crime community. The world has not ended.

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:59 (eight months ago) link

not ended due to the alleged shortage.

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:59 (eight months ago) link

I expect Republican states to start employing child cops.

Not quite there yet, but our county just dropped minimum age to work as a corrections officer in the county jail from 19 to 18 because they couldn't get enough applicants. So now they have 18-year-olds out there "taking care" of prisoners, I'm sure that's going great.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 February 2024 18:38 (eight months ago) link

That episode of South Park surprisingly prescient

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 18:39 (eight months ago) link

Also they raised starting salary for the jailer positions to $50k a year, which I'm sure is attractive to an 18-year-old without other good options. If they went and spent five years getting an education degree and a teaching certificate, they'd come out making less. We're really great at prioritizing around here.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 February 2024 18:40 (eight months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Some may have heard about the killing of Tyre Nichols by police in Memphis last year. Five officers are facing 2nd degree murder charges because of it. After debating and in some cases rejecting proposed reforms, one thing the Memphis City Council did last year was pass an ordinance reclassifying minor traffic violations (expired tags, broken taillights, etc) so that they by themselves can't be used as a reason to initiate a traffic stop. (Nichols had been stopped on vague allegations of "reckless driving," which turned out to be entirely bogus when they reviewed the dash cams.)

So, now, because we live in an aspirational police state, our Legislature has passed a bill nullifying that ordinance and saying local governments can't set policy FOR THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENTS that in any way restricts their powers more than existing state and federal laws. This follows a bill last year that took away any (mostly minimal) teeth that our handful of civilian review boards have. Even though local governments and citizens pay for our local law enforcement, the state is telling us that we can't regulate them.

Hard to see how this could go wrong ...

https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-tyre-nichols-police-memphis-c154e1bde2ddeae5059f42f9e10e27b3

Pretextual traffic stops are what made this country great.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:10 (seven months ago) link

funny i thought we didn’t want the federal gummint telling us what to do

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:12 (seven months ago) link

State legislators (and this is a somewhat bipartisan phenomenon, tho more pronounced in the red states) see themselves as the ultimate authority. They see no conflict in saying both that the feds shouldn't tell them what to do and that they should be able to boss around local governments all they want. "It's the United STATES of America," they say.

Yeah, we had a real pissing match in Georgia during the pandemic between Brian Kemp and the then-mayor of Atlanta, Keisha Lance Bottoms. Needless to say, this was a red/blue conflict as much as it was a turf war.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:19 (seven months ago) link

Yep, those tensions are always there (see NYC vs. every NY governor), but in the red states where all the big cities are blue, it's much more heightened. We've already had Mississippi state government trying to deploy its own state police in the middle of Jackson, I won't be surprised to see more and more of this shit — sort of a backdoor way to create a state police force, by limiting local control over them.

Oh, our own governor also wants to deploy some of the state Highway Patrol in "high crime" areas in Memphis.

hell, DeSantis as usual is one step ahead in turpitude. He's got his own team, the Florida Guard.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 March 2024 18:25 (seven months ago) link

And of course we have Abbott building a National Guard military base in Texas to "protect the border." These guys are very into having their own military. And this is the kind of stuff that really chips away at what I've always thought was one of our best structural protections against having a real police state, because power over law enforcement is so generally decentralized and historically there's actually been a lot of tension between fed-state-local agencies. To the degree that all of that gets "streamlined" under the command of governors and state legislators, it's obviously bad news.

one month passes...

Why does this seem vaguely familiar?

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/state/2024/04/26/frank-tyson-police-death-canton-ohio-i-cant-breathe/73466345007/

Lee626, Friday, 26 April 2024 18:11 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

anybody else following this?

whether they were at the wrong house is kinda irrelevant, they were just itching to shoot him :(

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/experts-gun-justify-deadly-force-fatal-shooting-florida-110137002

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 12 May 2024 16:55 (six months ago) link

I wouldn’t say I’m following it closely but it’s definitely made national news.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 12 May 2024 17:31 (six months ago) link

deputies hoping to prove themselves worthy of gang membership routinely seek out violent encounters with the public, the investigation reports

oh cool

budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:47 (five months ago) link

A detail from another report on the undersheriff gang member

"Burson testified he knew Murakami for approximately 30 years. He told the special counsel that Murakami has a tattoo of a "caveman" on his ankle."

Awwwww how adorable

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:48 (five months ago) link

sadly, it’s of the Geico caveman

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:29 (five months ago) link

Distressing video shows Missouri cop gun down lost 13-pound deaf and blind dog: ‘What am I supposed to do?’ https://t.co/ehZAKmAZHO pic.twitter.com/PKidqdaZhm

— New York Post (@nypost) May 25, 2024

(i have not watched the video in the link and suggest that you don't either)

https://i.imgur.com/e4tfe1V.jpeg

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 May 2024 03:41 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

How exactly is this man pleading innocence?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/us/sonya-massey-police-shooting-what-went-wrong/index.html

StanM, Wednesday, 24 July 2024 14:40 (three months ago) link

because

a) judging by his tattoos, he is probably a white supremacist
b) cops regularly have been cleared of wrongdoing when shooting unarmed Black civilians
c) he is a sociopath, judging by the fact that he laughs after killing her ("she's done...that's a headshot", *chuckle*)
d) he is going to suggest with his lawyer that a pot of boiling water that the victim was holding across the room was a threat to him despite her never moving like she was going to throw it, and her apologizing and ducking with her hands raised

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 July 2024 14:43 (three months ago) link

one month passes...
three weeks pass...

. . . they ain't too smart

NYPD Farebeating Crackdown Results in Sending a Hail of Bullets Into a Suspected Fare Evader, Subway Riders, and a Fellow Officer

How did a routine police stop for fare evasion on the L train escalate to the point where two NYPD officers shot four people—including the alleged farebeater, two bystanders, and a fellow cop?

At a press conference after the shooting, which happened at the Sutter Avenue L train stop in Brownsville around 3 p.m. on Sunday, Mayor Eric Adams praised the work of the two cops. If you had only seen the mayor's tweet on the incident, you might have believed that a cop had been shot by a suspect. In fact, the cop either shot himself or was shot by his partner—they were the only people to fire their guns in this case.

"First of all, thank God our officers are okay and clearly they averted an even greater tragedy with a person with over 20 arrests, a real career criminal," Adams said.

According to the police department's version of events, two cops from the 73rd Precinct assigned to "quality-of-life" duty on the transit system saw a man, 37-year-old Derell Mickles, enter through the emergency gate without paying. They followed Mickles up the three flights of stairs to the elevated tracks and asked him to stop.

"At a certain point on the platform, the male mutters the words, you know, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't stop following,'" NYPD Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey told reporters. "The officers are asking him to take his hands out of his pockets. They become aware that he has a knife in his pocket. They give numerous commands. The male basically challenges the officers, 'No, you're going to have to shoot me.'"

When a northbound L train pulled into the station, Maddrey said that Mickles got on the train, and the officers followed him, commanding him to get off the train and come with them. Both cops shot their Tasers at Mickles, and both were "ineffective."

"The male jumps back off of the train onto the platform, and at one point he's advancing on one of the officers with his knife," Maddrey said. "The officer stands back. He draws his weapon, and then both officers at this point fire. They fire multiple rounds, and the male goes down. They're able to handcuff him and subdue him."

Maddrey said that while the officers were handcuffing Mickles, one realized that he had been shot. Graphic video taken by a bystander and posted on Reddit appears to show this moment, though in the video, it happens on the train, not the platform.

"Dude I'm shot, help!" an NYPD officer says in the video while leaning over Mickles, who is groaning, bloody, and handcuffed. Both cops stand up and examine the officer's wounds. "God dammit!" one says.

"Yeah, cause they shootin' recklessly!" a voice behind the camera shouts. "He shot his own fucking partner!"

Two bystanders, a woman and a 49-year-old man, were also shot. Another graphic video appears to show the male bystander on the floor of a different train car. The woman was "grazed" and is in stable condition, while the man was hit in the head. Mickles was shot "numerous times in the body and in the abdomen area," Maddrey said. Both Mickles and the male bystander are in critical condition as of Monday morning, according to Gothamist. The wounded officer, who was shot below his armpit, is expected to make a full recovery.

At the press conference, the NYPD's deputy commissioner for public information deflected a question about why police Tasers seemingly keep malfunctioning in high-profile shootings—just this past Friday, the NYPD fatally shot 38-year-old Vilmond Jean Baptiste in his bathtub, after he allegedly attacked police with a knife and after a cop's Taser failed to work.

How many rounds did the NYPD officers fire? Why did the cops seemingly fire into a crowded subway car? The NYPD did not answer a list of our questions, and instead pointed us to video of the press conference, and a still photograph that purports to show the knife that Mickles was allegedly carrying.

Mickles's mother, Gloria Holloway, told Gothamist that her son works as a chef and carries a pocket knife for work. Holloway was informed of her son's shooting by a reporter who came to her home to ask her about it. Holloway said that the NYPD merely slipped a business card underneath her door.

"They just shot him, then didn’t bother to get in touch with anybody related to him?" Holloway said. "And left a card here at the damn door?"

Both the mayor and the MTA's CEO, Janno Lieber, said that given the number of cameras trained on the incident, what happened on the train platform will become clear to New Yorkers.

"We have cameras on the platform, cameras in the mezzanine, so there will be no question of what took place," Lieber said.

The MTA referred our request for the footage to the NYPD. In a statement to Hell Gate, agency spokesperson Tim Minton cited a completely different incident in a different borough, on a different day, in which police apparently took a loaded gun off of someone trying to evade the fare on a bus on Monday in Queens. "The NYPD is responsible for transit fare evasion enforcement, which has frequently resulted in arrests of felons with active warrants and, as recently as earlier today, recovery of weapons that otherwise could have risked riders' safety," Minton said, not mentioning the fact that it was cops shooting guns in the subway system that actually, not hypothetically, "risked riders' safety."

Minton added, "We are grateful that when officers stopped a fare evader Monday morning on a Q113 bus, they not only removed a wanted criminal, but also seized his loaded gun, removing a threat to other riders."

The NYPD did not respond to our request for camera footage. It's also unclear if the police department even has the knife that Mickles was allegedly carrying.

In 2023, the NYPD spent an extra $151 million on overtime so that officers could patrol the subways and address "quality-of-life" crimes like farebeating, resulting in 1,900 more arrests for fare evasion and 32,000 more summonses—which works out to around $4,200 per arrest or summons, to catch people whose total unpaid fares only amounted to roughly $104,000.

Brooklyn Councilmember Sandy Nurse, whose district includes the Sutter Avenue station, said she was "outraged and saddened" by the shooting.

"A person’s life is worth more than a $2.90 fare," Nurse wrote in a statement. "We urgently need a full independent investigation and the immediate public release of the involved officers' body cam footage to assess how this incident unfolded. No one's life should be endangered over fare evasion, and our city and state must confront the pressing need for free, accessible public transit for all New Yorkers, ensuring that it is not just a privilege for those who can afford it."

mookieproof, Monday, 16 September 2024 23:13 (one month ago) link

read some figure that the amount they are spending dwarfs the amount they are recovering by more than 100 times. so there’s the obvious horror that a person may die over $2.90, but there’s also the horror that the public is paying out the ass for state violence that isn’t even effective!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:06 (one month ago) link

“The male”

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:26 (one month ago) link

They can’t call him a man

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:27 (one month ago) link

The cops said today the knife disappeared and must have been stolen from them.

O 'Tis Redding (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:30 (one month ago) link

yeah

In 2023, the NYPD spent an extra $151 million on overtime so that officers could patrol the subways and address "quality-of-life" crimes like farebeating, resulting in 1,900 more arrests for fare evasion and 32,000 more summonses—which works out to around $4,200 per arrest or summons, to catch people whose total unpaid fares only amounted to roughly $104,000.

also the 'male bystander' and/or his family are going to sue the city for much more than $104,000. which, of course, will not come out of the cops' budget

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 September 2024 00:35 (one month ago) link


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