Joanna Hogg, painterly, modernist Brit filmmaker utilizing static frames, uneasy vibes

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I know schlump has seen and admired (possibly all three of) her films. I saw Exhibition last night and was fairly riveted for reasons I can't quite nail down. Her oeuvre is running at Linc Ctr in NY thru Thursday. Links:

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-joanna-hogg-filmlinc

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 June 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

the one set in tuscany is alright
the dvd looks like shit though and its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Monday, 30 June 2014 19:36 (five years ago) link

Exhibition looks better than that. Also, stars a Slit.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 June 2014 21:02 (five years ago) link

and obviously, Tom Hiddleston rowrrrr

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:25 (five years ago) link

I watched Archipelago purely off the back of this thread and slightly expecting (from the trailer) a pretty standard portrayal of the quiddities (TM) of middle class English manners. I was absolutely blown away and also, like Morbs, "riveted for reasons I can't quite nail down". Absolutely singular and exciting. I found it strangely beautiful and slightly upsetting. I cannot shake it. It's like TS Eliot's A Cooking Egg in cinematic form.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:30 (five years ago) link

Where are the eagles and the trumpets?

Buried beneath some snow-deep Alps.
Over buttered scones and crumpets
Weeping, weeping multitudes
Droop in a hundred A.B.C.'s

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

i kept thinking of tarkovsky as well. of course it's a different register but there's something tarkovskyan there, no? certainly more than haneke which similarity several reviews have trumpeted. it seems off the mark to me and i'm a haneke fan.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:36 (five years ago) link

similarly off the mark: the mike leigh references in the reviews.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:38 (five years ago) link

i mean obviously i understand the mike leigh references but they're not right.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:44 (five years ago) link

can't really get into this thread yet, & waiting for exhibition to show here, but i think the value to a mike leigh comparison would just be in hogg effectively translating class to screen, presenting the dynamics of it, mostly implicitly, with exactitude. everybody i know who saw archipelago had the exact same experience as jed, above; there was an ad for it on the back of S&S, tim hiddleston's face seeming to promise a particular kind of respectful & tepid bourgie drama, & just nothing prepares you for the sharpness. like the most innocuous exchanges occur & uncover voids.

its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

don't totally follow this, but i am convinced that some of what was uncanny, in archipelago at least, was the verisimilitude of just drably, digitally shot interiors, bland beige hallway carpeting, holiday home flatness.

schlump, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

caught Archipelago entirely by accident on TV a few months back and was sucked right in. also thought at first that it was "about" class but there's something more interesting happening, Hogg doesn't seem interested in the kind of skewering of caricatures that Mike Leigh often goes for

Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 05:50 (five years ago) link

the one set in tuscany is alright
the dvd looks like shit though and its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Monday, June 30, 2014 3:36 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i watched this one, p good. idk jack abt cameras but i think she said it was filmed on a sony zed1 that pixelates often when panning

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 02:47 (five years ago) link

She is also part of this collective:

http://www.anosamours.co.uk/

Know of it because they have been putting a season of Chantal Akerman films. I didn't join the dots so wasn't aware she was presenting these..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 08:48 (five years ago) link

i'm glad i didn't watch Unrelated first or I wouldn't have gone any further. i thought it was horrible - exactly the film i'd feared Archipelago would be - full of vile supercilious but underdeveloped/weak characters and pretty bog standard visually and narratively.

maybe Exhibition is even better than Archipelago then? i hope so.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:01 (five years ago) link

hm, see i thought esp for her first film there was a lot to like. shes def cognizant of like ozu & rohmer, particularly w/ the narrative and the scenes that resemble elipses. idk that usu strikes me as p honest & tying in well w/ the flat visuals and minimization of edits, cuts, soundtrack, etc etc;

it actually reminded me of reygadas too, but w/o a spiritual or mysticism element

def piqued to check out the other 2

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 14:05 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

wow!

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 05:47 (five years ago) link

SO this was wonderful, huh.
nice to be able to skip back & read everybody grasping at the same thing, too, above; perhaps the thing that makes me feel hogg is so major, isn't out-of-place mentioned alongside the other few most interesting directors working now, is that she's definitely taking new, unfamiliar, non-literal routes to somewhere strangely beautiful and slightly upsetting. finding comparisons is hard but i'm reminded in sensation, if not at all really in content, of the circuitousness of what you see vs what you get in some of denis' films; that we're only seeing people dance but that it connects with something much larger, that it's her way of revealing people. & i think the naturalism here is so revealing, the conversations almost like the tips of icebergs, this maybe the sense in which the films recall haneke, the twin strains of conversation differing according to what's being said & just the mood of the room, the miscommunication felt. it also feels so incredibly luxurious to be afforded so much space, in this, to think, & interpret, what we're shown feeling really judiciously regulated and allowed to just nebulously vibrate against other scenes. did she fall asleep with the shoes still on, & did he see, & is this why he was upset locked in his office, & was there a conversation we didn't have access to? or, just: no; maybe she didn't. we're always having to really watch. & the film really does seem to have a thesis, i think - there's something suffocating and destructive about their organisation, that sex happens so lifelessly & suffers from the space it has been allotted; that the intercom so inelegantly addresses its intended broader function - but this isn't neatly delineated. i think the shots of botanical life existing distinctly outside the apartment were as concrete as it got in positing some actual, direct contrast between urbanity & something more natural, but they felt very open to other perspectives at the same time, another part of the precise fabric of the film.

double bill w/the strange little cat, i think; echoes.

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:17 (five years ago) link

Loved Exhibition.

Missed the others; wanted to see the Tuscan one, but not for vastly different reasons than I wanted to see The Trip to Italy, which probably better fulfilled my vicarious desires.

benbbag, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 23:03 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

all 3 are on netflix instant now btw

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This thread, and John Waters' Top Ten of 2014, prompted me to watch Archipelago last night. Some of it was painful watching because it so exactly captured moments of British social awkwardness and embarrassment, the restaurant scene in particular - I've been in very similar situations to the hired cook when she's a captive witness to middle class bad behaviour and emotional warfare conducted under cover of good manners and good taste. I also loved the way that Hogg incorporated non-actors with the cast, particularly the painter, whose speech to Hiddleston near the end about creativity was beautiful and inspiring.

Because I've watched quite a lot of Rohmer films recently, I could definitely see the similarities to his work (Ozu not so much), though the comedy in Archipelago is even drier (but still there). At the same time, I thought the film lacked Rohmer's mastery of narrative arrangement and manipulation; while I appreciated Hogg's reticence (especially in the romantic-not romantic encounter between Hiddleston and the cook in the kitchen when he re-arranges the poppy on her shirt), I kind've wanted a little more in the way of story, development, resolution. While I understood the strategy of witholding off-screen characters (the husband, the girlfriend), at times the film seemed to promise moments of conflict and drama that never actually arrived, which felt slightly frustrating (though I'm sure that was the intention.)

Shall definitely see her other films, now.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 08:46 (five years ago) link

They're all on disc in the US now for dinosaurs like me.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 12:36 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

watched Archipelago last night... immaculate in its way, but a little freeze-dried over the nearly 2 hours? I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

Also Tom Hiddleston and the cook needed to ball at some point.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:02 (five years ago) link

(btw i was also fatigued in the extreme last night so i may have been a less than ideal viewer)

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:03 (five years ago) link

yea id agree, its tone and composition is nice but the character depth is a little lacking; unrelated is her best imo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:13 (five years ago) link

Should have that next week

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:14 (five years ago) link

archipelago is a far better and more acute film, the lack of any diegetically obvious rationale for the sister's suppressed rage is exactly the idea that lends a bit of dread and cold blood to it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:20 (five years ago) link

exhibition goes a bit further with the subtraction, it's a slightly different film language to archipelago and the shift to very pristine hd and more ambiguous lines in interior spaces helps that; she is quite clear about wishing to introduce nonlinearity and dreamlife in one of her interviews (her next film is going to be a period piece set in the 80s)

archipelago is more concerned with disquieted despair, the formal probity of english bourgeois families and the threat within, on these terms it is verging toward greatness; exhibition is more particular in the setting (and the context of housing capital appreciation), the normative bourgeois family form is shifted so there is maybe some more opportunity for escape, although it is admirably unclear about much that works

she gets compared to a lot of people she only tangentially resembles which is a sign of doing something interesting, tempted to suggest assayas thematically in terms of someone plainly curious about the same classes (generic bourgeois / artworld) and lanthimos' dogtooth in terms of threatening dislocated interiors, although clearly a much more abstract sort of horror involved than that

not seeing a lot of deference to the grander predecessors which is welcome (maybe akerman a bit?), as much as she clearly has spent her time with them; rather wish NRQ was still here ready to pour a bit of cold water on all the warm notices given to this rara avis of blighty's film scene

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:03 (five years ago) link

nonlinearity and dreamlife in one of her interviews (her next film is going to be a period piece set in the 80s)

That is a v Akerman-like move, at least as far as introducing 'dreamlife', which is what she did in her 80s musicals.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:19 (five years ago) link

just saw exhibition

it was very great & utterly beautiful

i've been in lots of kensington houses in my capacities as a tutor & many do indeed feel exhibited, perhaps uncomfortably so. this felt like a crystallisation of (and a slightly weird expansion upon) a sort of slightly repressed, slightly exhibitionistic london affluence

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:24 (five years ago) link

nice
thought you would like it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:31 (five years ago) link

hesitant to mention this on account of just how it sounds, but: i remember reading an interview with jim jarmusch, from forever ago, where he was asked whether he thought you needed to actually be american to fully comprehend and read cassavetes' films, jarmusch agreeing, that they're just so steeped in micro-dynamic class baggage, playing with behaviours & archetypes that there's a whole language being spoken that other viewers might miss. &, just re:

I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

i remember talking to friends after seeing archipelago about the precision of the discomfort it elicited in me; someone mentioning the scene where they change tables, me just with this dull sense memory recollection of the scenes rendering heavy uncommunicative gulfs between agreeable relatives, it's been forever but say in the scenes with the painter, so redolent of how the air feels in those rooms, those exchanges. angst is just the right word; there's such a resistant force below the surface, too low a frequency to really distinctly identiy, just dragging everyone down, maybe something to do with responsibility or dissatisfaction. i know sober familial events aren't exclusively a british thing but i wonder if the actual dynamics of the mood of the film had a different gravity for people who grew up in the uk.

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 7 February 2015 01:05 (five years ago) link

I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

Did you notice the song over the credits? Written by Hogg and sung by the actress who plays the sister, it's about the sister's love for her brother, how he's braver than she is, how she admires him for it. It helps explain her anger in terms of jealousy, maybe?

Thought Exhibition operated like a slow-motion farce, with a Tati-like appreciation of the silliness of their separation + deep affection for the architecture that separates them.

I watched both of these because of this thread, by the way. She's my favorite new discovery!

Cherish, Saturday, 7 February 2015 02:15 (five years ago) link

Great & surely intentional detail of Exhibition: both principal actors were in their first film acting role ever, both approaching 60

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:56 (five years ago) link

not all that intentional

The budget was less than £1m – her biggest yet. She secured the house for six weeks. But she still had no leading actors.

Panicked, she phoned Viv Albertine for ideas. Still best known as the guitarist in fabled all-girl punk band the Slits, she and Hogg had been friends since 1984. After quitting music, she too made films. Now, she suggested names.

"It was only when I hung up," Hogg says, "that Nick said 'What about Viv?'" She called straight back.

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (five years ago) link

Liam Gillick was only in his late 40s. He's 50 now. Viv Albertine looks really amazing for her age though.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (five years ago) link

that song was written by Hogg and Viv Albertine, i think? i did notice it. xxxp

rewatched Exhibition; liked the way her 'codependency' w/ the house was explicit w/out ever being diagnosed. V.A. (the ex-Slit) is this year's Mary Margaret O'Hara.

i would agree that Archipelago seems more inherently, inescapably British.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:02 (five years ago) link

MMO'H was astonishing in Museum Hours. Imago should see that if he hasn't.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:07 (five years ago) link

I liked Archipelago a lot, thought Unrelated was not good. Exhibition was interesting but didn't really hang together for me. I really liked the scene where Liam G has an argument with the builder who was parked in front of his house.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:14 (five years ago) link

yeah

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:17 (five years ago) link

Nahkchivan, did you see Museum Hours?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:20 (five years ago) link

no i just wikid it after you mentioned it, i was only vaguely aware of it

how much of it is in german? if its only a small bit i might try muddling through sans subtitles with my gcse german

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:23 (five years ago) link

hardly any of it. it's probably my favourite film of the past few years.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:27 (five years ago) link

cool, i shall watch it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:29 (five years ago) link

i started watching exhibition last night but i had to watch on my computer because maria wouldn't stop playing her zombie game. gonna watch the whole thing tonight or soon on the t.v. i really liked the ambient sounds from the street in the scenes where she is alone in her office room. i also like how the use of silence is completely different from the use of silence in that stray dogs movie i've been watching all week. silence is never the same! i do like seeing movies that remind me of why i like movies. or why i liked movies in the past. it's encouraging.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 February 2015 19:42 (five years ago) link

Joannna: painterly, modernish, Brit

contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:18 (five years ago) link

you shd watch exhibition!

archipelago to follow soon

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:32 (five years ago) link

been dragging my heels on hogg catchup since ward bumped this thread in early december. what should i start with?

contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:35 (five years ago) link

nakhers stanned for the last two. reverse chronological order seems as good as any order tbh

will watch museum hours too, ty for the recommendation

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (five years ago) link

reverse chronological order

― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (14 minutes ago)

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:52 (five years ago) link

I'm seeing online complaints that the relationship "had no context," which doesn't make any sense at all to me. There was all kinds of context!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:32 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

The Souvenir now digitally available

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 August 2019 13:02 (nine months ago) link

I watched it again. Holds up like hell. How does anyone still think Julie and Anthony have no chemistry?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2019 12:15 (nine months ago) link

amusingly I watched this immediately following a set of conversations with a friend of mine who is concerned that contemporary film and storytelling are getting too self-obsessed/autobiographical/inward-looking due to fear of accusations of misrepresentation or falsehood. probably for the best I caught this one solo lol

Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:28 (nine months ago) link

Richard Ayoade (hilarious) will be back in the sequel as the "c*nt" filmmaker; I was wondering if he was based on anyone who had a career...

richard ayoade IS steve mcqueen in The Souvenir II: Souvenierer

Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:29 (nine months ago) link

If I didnt like "Exhibition", is there much chance I will like this one?

The World According To.... (Michael B), Friday, 9 August 2019 12:35 (nine months ago) link

Was really enjoying the bougie dialogue and the odd couple relationship but fell asleep. I presume her character wasn't naive enough to take the old "had a bit of an accident" excuse when she sees the gammy arm with needle tracks! Definitely going watch it again from the start.

calzino, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (nine months ago) link

Michael B, as I liked Exhibition i can't say with any confidence, but it is different (while still recognizably hers).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:17 (nine months ago) link

This has more in common with Archipelago, notably the uses of lacunae,

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2019 14:18 (nine months ago) link

that's a good word word to describe the vibe I was getting the other night which was a feeling of the emptiness of being around other people - if that makes any sense. I've never really got into her movies before but this one has piqued my interest. It's Hiddleston's furrowed brow and godawful acting that put me off her previous movies, can't deal with anything with that prick in it.

calzino, Friday, 9 August 2019 14:37 (nine months ago) link

he's only in Exhibition for about 5 minutes tbf

Number None, Friday, 9 August 2019 14:51 (nine months ago) link

Ah that's the one with Viv Albertine.. Thank god!

calzino, Friday, 9 August 2019 14:58 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

second view, clearly a great leap fwd

he seemed like less of a tosser this time

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 August 2019 14:24 (nine months ago) link

yep

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 August 2019 14:28 (nine months ago) link

I'll have to think about that whenever I do see it again because yeah, a negative charisma zone who thinks himself special. (Which, good job on the actor nailing that part of the character! A lesser actor wouldn't've managed it.) That said I take at face value the fact that there is an attraction, however invisible to me on the one hand but clearly shown in the film on the other.

That said I also think there's something to be said for reading this through a double lens of its setting in the past and in another country because viewing it from a 2019 lens meant that I couldn't help but think of the opiate explosion and lingering impact, and how we treat/talk about addiction now, but again, specifically, here, not the UK. As with other things in the film you fill in the gaps as you choose.

Music choices great, obv.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 August 2019 15:24 (nine months ago) link

*SPOILERS, probably*

Interesting seeing this after the new Almodovar - two autobiographical films about filmmaker self-substitutes riddled with heroin that end almost identically, give or take a coda shot in Souvenir.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:58 (nine months ago) link

this was very exciting for an hour but the second half is significantly less interesting. my showing was preceded by an interview with JH in which she complained that her films are always judged through the prism of class but that class was "something she just wasn't very interested in" (!) i felt like shouting out "easy for you to say!"

Tom Burke is amazing in this. he really knows how to smoke on camera.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 21:54 (nine months ago) link

lol nonsense thing to say seeing as some of the dialogue/themes in her movie is about class and privilege, but I've only seen the first half so far.

calzino, Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:04 (nine months ago) link

weird af!

Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:37 (nine months ago) link

to be clear this was a filmed intro, not JH herself in the room.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:40 (nine months ago) link

so it would have been even weirder to shout out!

Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:43 (nine months ago) link

The Souvenir is brilliant. I don’t know what more people want sometimes.

Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 04:13 (eight months ago) link

how many of you are in Europe

flappy bird, Friday, 6 September 2019 05:35 (eight months ago) link

I’m from western Maryland.

Chris L, Friday, 6 September 2019 05:48 (eight months ago) link

I just thought the guy this film was focused on was such a complete zero, it made it hard for me to watch

Dan S, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:51 (eight months ago) link

But not unrewarding.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:52 (eight months ago) link

there was something about it that was interesting, true

Dan S, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:53 (eight months ago) link

it more to do with her

Dan S, Thursday, 12 September 2019 02:55 (eight months ago) link

had more

Dan S, Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:00 (eight months ago) link

this wasn't very good imo. at least compared to her last two

imago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:41 (eight months ago) link

kind of The Line Of Beauty as befalling a woman but without the...beauty. or the downfall. thirty years later, she became Joanna Hogg, filmmaker. kind of a dull denouement?autobiographical films c/d etc

some lovely shots (stick to the steady-cam stuff!) esp that one of them in the mirror in Venice but I couldn't like or be moved by any of the characters

imago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:45 (eight months ago) link

yes there was downfall but only of a tawdry he-was-bad-news-all-along sort

and yes the line of beauty works THAT angle too but...better

imago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:46 (eight months ago) link

I haven't seen her other films but I loathed this one precisely because the main characters were so unbearably uninteresting and completely predictable. A couple where one is an asshole junkie and the other is a doormat. Neither of them are compelling in the least...

But I will check out one of her other films... tonight hopefully

flappy bird, Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:07 (eight months ago) link

how do The Line of Beauty -- the novel, presumably -- and this film intersect?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:34 (eight months ago) link

young flawed aesthete enters new flawed milieu in the decade of exploding drug use and tries to have it all (in their own way) idk, it was constantly on my mind as I watched

imago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:37 (eight months ago) link

themes of luxury, class, delusion, persistence

imago, Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:41 (eight months ago) link

Watching this tonight after catching up with Archipelago and Exhibition on MUBI.

this was very exciting for an hour but the second half is significantly less interesting. my showing was preceded by an interview with JH in which she complained that her films are always judged through the prism of class but that class was "something she just wasn't very interested in" (!) i felt like shouting out "easy for you to say!"
Tom Burke is amazing in this. he really knows how to smoke on camera.
― Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, 1 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Like yeah definitely but it is a misrepresentation of her work if people are saying class is an interest for her because it plainly is not. She is basically making films about the kind of people she knows. The one time it does come in is the cook in Archipelago, but its a bit like Francoise in Proust, it has a character that is shown to be smart, something more (when she notices there was no painting in the room anymore and it certainly interacts with the guests - but class relations are done in a very short space of time) but it functions as a bit of relief to the goings on in the family's quiet cruelty to one another (this is a bit rough actually the cook is trapped a bit more in the goings on than I am making it sound, but the film doesn't spend a lot of time on this).

I think Duras' films were quite important for her in that respect. That way of observing people confined to a particular space except she makes the space seem incredibly attractive (Duras's spaces referred at times to a colonial past) at first, then as time goes on we see people in their own together -- and how spaces can enable that. It is barely about making people into something film-like in its attractiveness (British realism in a European style is quite a fusion I hadn't quite seen many Brit filmmakers pull off with such ease), her way of filming just allows them to be whatever they'd like to be -- a very striking quality when looking at Viv Albertine.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 September 2019 07:18 (eight months ago) link

it's useful for me to see that lack of interest made explicit by her because it might be what keeps her stuff strictly at arm's length for me

Simon H., Saturday, 14 September 2019 07:21 (eight months ago) link

oooh the Françoise analogy's a good 'un.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 September 2019 11:00 (eight months ago) link

Hogg has put together a book documenting the Chantal Akerman screenings from a couple of years ago. Attending the event on the 24th.

https://mailchi.mp/a2c6b615bffd/a-nos-amours-chantal-akerman-book-screenings-1606117

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 September 2019 12:07 (eight months ago) link

This felt like a proper film in comparison to her previous efforts -- actual music in it and more than a couple of locations and more populated, even if you still have a cool flat and the whole centred around two people with a third or fourth character (in this case the mother) and I think this:

There are lots of things in Hogg's style that connect her to earlier British avant-garde filmmakers like Laura Mulvey and Sally Potter, without even addressing the distinctly British concerns - class, social hierarchy - that are embedded in the films themselves.

― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 bookmarkflaglink

Is very well put in reagrds to the earlier films, and now she has become even more open as to how priviledged she has been (with the one line challenge (the 'flat in Knightsbridge' crack) by her tutor). I can't remember a film where a knife is really taken to the filmmaker's own posiiton.

And yes (also as Ward points it out) a very interesting contrast to the Almodovar, even if the class position is different there is a common thread of pain, discovery...you still have to become a person. To learn and be open and generous enough to show yourself on film years later like this, both the good and the bad, and in these two films you see that.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:22 (eight months ago) link

Overall I liked how she baked in some of the ways she shoots and does character into this more straightforward narrative. Also progresses her own reflections on female creativity in a very male environment from Exhibiton.

Shame schlump has left, would like to read a post rn on this.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:24 (eight months ago) link

"knife to your own position" is essentially just maaturbation at her level of success and connection, is my issue

Simon H., Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:31 (eight months ago) link

The problem is that she doesn't come across as self-contragulatory, and its nowhere near a sympathetic portrait. At that point she isn't a success in that film school, nor that interesting, doesn't have many friends (that are shown). But she does portray how it is -- that she needed mummy's money, the bad decisions. There is a vague Proustian project to portray this not-that-much of a person who somehow ends up producing worthwhile art. The thing is you have to show yourself in all that ugliness (connections, priviledge, whatever), like its part of a bargain.

(I wouldn't even say she is much of a success now, beyond the films she makes she isn't a recognised name here beyond art house circles.)

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:49 (eight months ago) link

"knife to your own position" is essentially just maaturbation at her level of success and connection, is my issue

― Simon H.

dude really

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 September 2019 11:56 (eight months ago) link

sorry Comrade Simon, i'm with Sotosyn here :)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2019 12:30 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

I just saw this and really enjoyed it. I'm not much of a film expert or critic, so my comments may be dumb, but:

I wasn't sure about the first half hour. I found it difficult to follow and a little boring. Slowly however, just like Julie, I got sucked into the relationship and the film. Reading the upthread Hogg's comments that she is uninterested in class seems crazy, because I thought the film to be saturated in class (albeit mostly of the middle/upper middle kind). There is so much else there was well: a kind of Portrait of the Artist as a Young Wo(man), but cut off before she articulates or reaches her own aesthetic vision, except maybe the film you are watching is it.

Both the leads were just fantastic. His character is tough to pull off and maybe he doesn't because I didn't see what she liked about him. I just chalked it up to her being so shy/withdrawn that she felt he was good enough or deserved it. I don't know.

Most interesting part for me was the camera. There were a couple of panning/moving camera shots at the opening party and again near the end, but most of the shots were frozen shots of single rooms with the actors moving through the shot. That scene near the end where we are watching Julie watching the filming of her student project was amazing - the camera moves slightly to lock in on her face as her fellow students move past her for a zoom shot on the film within a film. And then she turns to look at the camera. Loved it.

The Traveling Wilkes-Barre's (PBKR), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:44 (four months ago) link

well, I guess Hogg writes what she knows

and she basically only knows upper-middle-class twats

Number None, Monday, 20 January 2020 21:18 (four months ago) link

Good on her!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 January 2020 21:58 (four months ago) link

I liked the film curation stuff she's done in London but her films are far less interesting than those by the filmmakers she admires.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 21:47 (four months ago) link


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