Joanna Hogg, painterly, modernist Brit filmmaker utilizing static frames, uneasy vibes

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I know schlump has seen and admired (possibly all three of) her films. I saw Exhibition last night and was fairly riveted for reasons I can't quite nail down. Her oeuvre is running at Linc Ctr in NY thru Thursday. Links:

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-joanna-hogg-filmlinc

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 June 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

the one set in tuscany is alright
the dvd looks like shit though and its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Monday, 30 June 2014 19:36 (five years ago) link

Exhibition looks better than that. Also, stars a Slit.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 June 2014 21:02 (five years ago) link

and obviously, Tom Hiddleston rowrrrr

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:25 (five years ago) link

I watched Archipelago purely off the back of this thread and slightly expecting (from the trailer) a pretty standard portrayal of the quiddities (TM) of middle class English manners. I was absolutely blown away and also, like Morbs, "riveted for reasons I can't quite nail down". Absolutely singular and exciting. I found it strangely beautiful and slightly upsetting. I cannot shake it. It's like TS Eliot's A Cooking Egg in cinematic form.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:30 (five years ago) link

Where are the eagles and the trumpets?

Buried beneath some snow-deep Alps.
Over buttered scones and crumpets
Weeping, weeping multitudes
Droop in a hundred A.B.C.'s

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 7 July 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

i kept thinking of tarkovsky as well. of course it's a different register but there's something tarkovskyan there, no? certainly more than haneke which similarity several reviews have trumpeted. it seems off the mark to me and i'm a haneke fan.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:36 (five years ago) link

similarly off the mark: the mike leigh references in the reviews.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:38 (five years ago) link

i mean obviously i understand the mike leigh references but they're not right.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 00:44 (five years ago) link

can't really get into this thread yet, & waiting for exhibition to show here, but i think the value to a mike leigh comparison would just be in hogg effectively translating class to screen, presenting the dynamics of it, mostly implicitly, with exactitude. everybody i know who saw archipelago had the exact same experience as jed, above; there was an ad for it on the back of S&S, tim hiddleston's face seeming to promise a particular kind of respectful & tepid bourgie drama, & just nothing prepares you for the sharpness. like the most innocuous exchanges occur & uncover voids.

its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

don't totally follow this, but i am convinced that some of what was uncanny, in archipelago at least, was the verisimilitude of just drably, digitally shot interiors, bland beige hallway carpeting, holiday home flatness.

schlump, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

caught Archipelago entirely by accident on TV a few months back and was sucked right in. also thought at first that it was "about" class but there's something more interesting happening, Hogg doesn't seem interested in the kind of skewering of caricatures that Mike Leigh often goes for

Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 05:50 (five years ago) link

the one set in tuscany is alright
the dvd looks like shit though and its not the sort of film-language that rewards looking like something filmed on an iphone 3g

― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Monday, June 30, 2014 3:36 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i watched this one, p good. idk jack abt cameras but i think she said it was filmed on a sony zed1 that pixelates often when panning

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 02:47 (five years ago) link

She is also part of this collective:

http://www.anosamours.co.uk/

Know of it because they have been putting a season of Chantal Akerman films. I didn't join the dots so wasn't aware she was presenting these..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 08:48 (five years ago) link

i'm glad i didn't watch Unrelated first or I wouldn't have gone any further. i thought it was horrible - exactly the film i'd feared Archipelago would be - full of vile supercilious but underdeveloped/weak characters and pretty bog standard visually and narratively.

maybe Exhibition is even better than Archipelago then? i hope so.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 22:01 (five years ago) link

hm, see i thought esp for her first film there was a lot to like. shes def cognizant of like ozu & rohmer, particularly w/ the narrative and the scenes that resemble elipses. idk that usu strikes me as p honest & tying in well w/ the flat visuals and minimization of edits, cuts, soundtrack, etc etc;

it actually reminded me of reygadas too, but w/o a spiritual or mysticism element

def piqued to check out the other 2

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 14:05 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

wow!

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 05:47 (four years ago) link

SO this was wonderful, huh.
nice to be able to skip back & read everybody grasping at the same thing, too, above; perhaps the thing that makes me feel hogg is so major, isn't out-of-place mentioned alongside the other few most interesting directors working now, is that she's definitely taking new, unfamiliar, non-literal routes to somewhere strangely beautiful and slightly upsetting. finding comparisons is hard but i'm reminded in sensation, if not at all really in content, of the circuitousness of what you see vs what you get in some of denis' films; that we're only seeing people dance but that it connects with something much larger, that it's her way of revealing people. & i think the naturalism here is so revealing, the conversations almost like the tips of icebergs, this maybe the sense in which the films recall haneke, the twin strains of conversation differing according to what's being said & just the mood of the room, the miscommunication felt. it also feels so incredibly luxurious to be afforded so much space, in this, to think, & interpret, what we're shown feeling really judiciously regulated and allowed to just nebulously vibrate against other scenes. did she fall asleep with the shoes still on, & did he see, & is this why he was upset locked in his office, & was there a conversation we didn't have access to? or, just: no; maybe she didn't. we're always having to really watch. & the film really does seem to have a thesis, i think - there's something suffocating and destructive about their organisation, that sex happens so lifelessly & suffers from the space it has been allotted; that the intercom so inelegantly addresses its intended broader function - but this isn't neatly delineated. i think the shots of botanical life existing distinctly outside the apartment were as concrete as it got in positing some actual, direct contrast between urbanity & something more natural, but they felt very open to other perspectives at the same time, another part of the precise fabric of the film.

double bill w/the strange little cat, i think; echoes.

schlump, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 18:17 (four years ago) link

Loved Exhibition.

Missed the others; wanted to see the Tuscan one, but not for vastly different reasons than I wanted to see The Trip to Italy, which probably better fulfilled my vicarious desires.

benbbag, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 23:03 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

all 3 are on netflix instant now btw

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 November 2014 02:11 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This thread, and John Waters' Top Ten of 2014, prompted me to watch Archipelago last night. Some of it was painful watching because it so exactly captured moments of British social awkwardness and embarrassment, the restaurant scene in particular - I've been in very similar situations to the hired cook when she's a captive witness to middle class bad behaviour and emotional warfare conducted under cover of good manners and good taste. I also loved the way that Hogg incorporated non-actors with the cast, particularly the painter, whose speech to Hiddleston near the end about creativity was beautiful and inspiring.

Because I've watched quite a lot of Rohmer films recently, I could definitely see the similarities to his work (Ozu not so much), though the comedy in Archipelago is even drier (but still there). At the same time, I thought the film lacked Rohmer's mastery of narrative arrangement and manipulation; while I appreciated Hogg's reticence (especially in the romantic-not romantic encounter between Hiddleston and the cook in the kitchen when he re-arranges the poppy on her shirt), I kind've wanted a little more in the way of story, development, resolution. While I understood the strategy of witholding off-screen characters (the husband, the girlfriend), at times the film seemed to promise moments of conflict and drama that never actually arrived, which felt slightly frustrating (though I'm sure that was the intention.)

Shall definitely see her other films, now.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 08:46 (four years ago) link

They're all on disc in the US now for dinosaurs like me.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 December 2014 12:36 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

watched Archipelago last night... immaculate in its way, but a little freeze-dried over the nearly 2 hours? I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

Also Tom Hiddleston and the cook needed to ball at some point.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:02 (four years ago) link

(btw i was also fatigued in the extreme last night so i may have been a less than ideal viewer)

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:03 (four years ago) link

yea id agree, its tone and composition is nice but the character depth is a little lacking; unrelated is her best imo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:13 (four years ago) link

Should have that next week

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:14 (four years ago) link

archipelago is a far better and more acute film, the lack of any diegetically obvious rationale for the sister's suppressed rage is exactly the idea that lends a bit of dread and cold blood to it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:20 (four years ago) link

exhibition goes a bit further with the subtraction, it's a slightly different film language to archipelago and the shift to very pristine hd and more ambiguous lines in interior spaces helps that; she is quite clear about wishing to introduce nonlinearity and dreamlife in one of her interviews (her next film is going to be a period piece set in the 80s)

archipelago is more concerned with disquieted despair, the formal probity of english bourgeois families and the threat within, on these terms it is verging toward greatness; exhibition is more particular in the setting (and the context of housing capital appreciation), the normative bourgeois family form is shifted so there is maybe some more opportunity for escape, although it is admirably unclear about much that works

she gets compared to a lot of people she only tangentially resembles which is a sign of doing something interesting, tempted to suggest assayas thematically in terms of someone plainly curious about the same classes (generic bourgeois / artworld) and lanthimos' dogtooth in terms of threatening dislocated interiors, although clearly a much more abstract sort of horror involved than that

not seeing a lot of deference to the grander predecessors which is welcome (maybe akerman a bit?), as much as she clearly has spent her time with them; rather wish NRQ was still here ready to pour a bit of cold water on all the warm notices given to this rara avis of blighty's film scene

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 19:03 (four years ago) link

nonlinearity and dreamlife in one of her interviews (her next film is going to be a period piece set in the 80s)

That is a v Akerman-like move, at least as far as introducing 'dreamlife', which is what she did in her 80s musicals.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:19 (four years ago) link

just saw exhibition

it was very great & utterly beautiful

i've been in lots of kensington houses in my capacities as a tutor & many do indeed feel exhibited, perhaps uncomfortably so. this felt like a crystallisation of (and a slightly weird expansion upon) a sort of slightly repressed, slightly exhibitionistic london affluence

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:24 (four years ago) link

nice
thought you would like it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Friday, 6 February 2015 23:31 (four years ago) link

hesitant to mention this on account of just how it sounds, but: i remember reading an interview with jim jarmusch, from forever ago, where he was asked whether he thought you needed to actually be american to fully comprehend and read cassavetes' films, jarmusch agreeing, that they're just so steeped in micro-dynamic class baggage, playing with behaviours & archetypes that there's a whole language being spoken that other viewers might miss. &, just re:

I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

i remember talking to friends after seeing archipelago about the precision of the discomfort it elicited in me; someone mentioning the scene where they change tables, me just with this dull sense memory recollection of the scenes rendering heavy uncommunicative gulfs between agreeable relatives, it's been forever but say in the scenes with the painter, so redolent of how the air feels in those rooms, those exchanges. angst is just the right word; there's such a resistant force below the surface, too low a frequency to really distinctly identiy, just dragging everyone down, maybe something to do with responsibility or dissatisfaction. i know sober familial events aren't exclusively a british thing but i wonder if the actual dynamics of the mood of the film had a different gravity for people who grew up in the uk.

tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Saturday, 7 February 2015 01:05 (four years ago) link

I really couldn't pinpoint the sources of this family's angst beyond a seeming gulf between the parents.

Did you notice the song over the credits? Written by Hogg and sung by the actress who plays the sister, it's about the sister's love for her brother, how he's braver than she is, how she admires him for it. It helps explain her anger in terms of jealousy, maybe?

Thought Exhibition operated like a slow-motion farce, with a Tati-like appreciation of the silliness of their separation + deep affection for the architecture that separates them.

I watched both of these because of this thread, by the way. She's my favorite new discovery!

Cherish, Saturday, 7 February 2015 02:15 (four years ago) link

Great & surely intentional detail of Exhibition: both principal actors were in their first film acting role ever, both approaching 60

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:56 (four years ago) link

not all that intentional

The budget was less than £1m – her biggest yet. She secured the house for six weeks. But she still had no leading actors.

Panicked, she phoned Viv Albertine for ideas. Still best known as the guitarist in fabled all-girl punk band the Slits, she and Hogg had been friends since 1984. After quitting music, she too made films. Now, she suggested names.

"It was only when I hung up," Hogg says, "that Nick said 'What about Viv?'" She called straight back.

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (four years ago) link

Liam Gillick was only in his late 40s. He's 50 now. Viv Albertine looks really amazing for her age though.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:01 (four years ago) link

that song was written by Hogg and Viv Albertine, i think? i did notice it. xxxp

rewatched Exhibition; liked the way her 'codependency' w/ the house was explicit w/out ever being diagnosed. V.A. (the ex-Slit) is this year's Mary Margaret O'Hara.

i would agree that Archipelago seems more inherently, inescapably British.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:02 (four years ago) link

MMO'H was astonishing in Museum Hours. Imago should see that if he hasn't.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:07 (four years ago) link

I liked Archipelago a lot, thought Unrelated was not good. Exhibition was interesting but didn't really hang together for me. I really liked the scene where Liam G has an argument with the builder who was parked in front of his house.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:14 (four years ago) link

yeah

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:17 (four years ago) link

Nahkchivan, did you see Museum Hours?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:20 (four years ago) link

no i just wikid it after you mentioned it, i was only vaguely aware of it

how much of it is in german? if its only a small bit i might try muddling through sans subtitles with my gcse german

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:23 (four years ago) link

hardly any of it. it's probably my favourite film of the past few years.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:27 (four years ago) link

cool, i shall watch it

anima corrective (nakhchivan), Saturday, 7 February 2015 18:29 (four years ago) link

i started watching exhibition last night but i had to watch on my computer because maria wouldn't stop playing her zombie game. gonna watch the whole thing tonight or soon on the t.v. i really liked the ambient sounds from the street in the scenes where she is alone in her office room. i also like how the use of silence is completely different from the use of silence in that stray dogs movie i've been watching all week. silence is never the same! i do like seeing movies that remind me of why i like movies. or why i liked movies in the past. it's encouraging.

scott seward, Saturday, 7 February 2015 19:42 (four years ago) link

Joannna: painterly, modernish, Brit

contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:18 (four years ago) link

you shd watch exhibition!

archipelago to follow soon

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:32 (four years ago) link

been dragging my heels on hogg catchup since ward bumped this thread in early december. what should i start with?

contenderizer, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:35 (four years ago) link

nakhers stanned for the last two. reverse chronological order seems as good as any order tbh

will watch museum hours too, ty for the recommendation

pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (four years ago) link

reverse chronological order

― pro war Toby Keith songs would rub you the wrong way (imago), Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:37 (14 minutes ago)

nakhchivan, Sunday, 8 February 2015 02:52 (four years ago) link

http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/news/filmmaker-residence-joanna-hogg

cantabs ppl get to 'go the whole hogg' :)

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 00:30 (three years ago) link

Yeah I couldn't make the majority of the screenings as I'm just too swamped atm but I'm gonna try to get to Exhibition (+Q&A) tonight and maybe the early shorts if I get enough work done/think I can stay awake

a mom shaped pom (wins), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 13:02 (three years ago) link

Think I would've preferred her version of High Rise

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 08:12 (three years ago) link

had no idea abt her film w tilda.

two years pass...
three months pass...

getting a ton of raves/coverage before its US opening next week, Honor Swinton Byrne 's performance in particular

https://www.filmcomment.com/article/i-know-where-im-going/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:21 (two months ago) link

Yeah!

Hogg has written that one of her inspirations is Roberto Rossellini’s Journey to Italy, saying, “I strive to create this degree of aliveness. I need to see this film often to understand what it is I am trying to do.” Most of our time in life is not spent in dramatic standoffs and cathartic breakdowns. Most of the time we are cooking and eating, taking walks, making phone calls, having deep conversations (or shallow), having sex, having arguments. Hogg clearly has a plan and knows what she wants to create, but within that plan she allows for extraordinary freedom. Perhaps the limits she imposes, by proceeding in chronological order, by keeping the camera in doorways or on the far side of a room, encourages the exhilarating sense of “aliveness” felt in Unrelated, Archipelago, Exhibition, and The Souvenir. Helle le Fevre has edited all of Hogg’s features, and her contribution is essential.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:48 (two months ago) link

Superb Rebecca Mead feature.

No idea she directed the second (and bigger) of the videos for Johnny Hates Jazz's "Shattered Dreams."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:59 (two months ago) link

👍

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:35 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

might go see this today, did we like it?

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 June 2019 13:58 (one month ago) link

did like her previous stuff, mostly & found the background/build up articles intriguing but i could not get into this idk i felt like its a level of self-involvement too far & that somehow feels magnified by it being undramatic, etc

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:40 (one month ago) link

No idea she directed the second (and bigger) of the videos for Johnny Hates Jazz's "Shattered Dreams."

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:59 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WHATTTT

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:43 (one month ago) link

yep

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:47 (one month ago) link

There's just something about the fact that the mother is played by Tilda Swinton and the daughter is played by Tilda Swinton's daughter that gets my back up. I know we are so used to this horrendous nepotism in the UK, maybe elsewhere, that we become inured to it and I also know that there exist think-pieces about how it's all perfectly normal and makes sense within the world she's portraying etc. but that makes it worse. She's a decent filmmaker with a singular vision who's made one good film so far (Archipelago) and she's being given huge leeway because she is fucking posh!

Shite New Answers (jed_), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:14 (one month ago) link

exhibition was pretty good too

imago, Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:15 (one month ago) link

we need some kind of venn diagram that connects xyzzz and ward's politics to this sort of aristo masturbation fantasy.

I've not seen it. Also, I've just drunk a bottle of wine.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

xp it's interesting and boring. I dunno if it's good. It's unique though.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:21 (one month ago) link

I mean, I've seen Exhibition, not this new thing.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:26 (one month ago) link

I don't get posh = bad or what makes Hogg posh. This is description, not criticism.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:28 (one month ago) link

it's more to do with privilege and access rather than =ing bad. You don't have to ask why it equals that she's posh, she's posh, it's just a fact.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Thursday, 6 June 2019 22:33 (one month ago) link

This was excellent, almost a Taiwanese approach to character and exposition (less Tsai than Archipelago though). Major points for making Anthony a Tory prig to whom the audience never warms. Honor Swinton Byrne's un-actressy mannerisms are effective and affecting.

I laughed several times aloud. The old ladies in my audience were ready to pillory me.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2019 19:23 (one month ago) link

And, I must say, to watch film by a female director about a budding director should not feel as fucking refreshing as it does in 2019.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2019 19:24 (one month ago) link

best I've seen this year

and this is how the early '80s looked

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:19 (one month ago) link

sorry about being wasted upthread.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:35 (one month ago) link

will have to see this

Dan S, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:38 (one month ago) link

wau -- Morbs and I agree on a favorite of the year.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:38 (one month ago) link

and this is how the early '80s looked

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius

yes, Anthony's endless cigarettes affected the film stock

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:39 (one month ago) link

best offkilter romance since Phantom Thread

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:44 (one month ago) link

most poignant use of Tilda Swinton too

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:47 (one month ago) link

I sensed a jape early on when she dropped "Is She Really Going Out with Him?" on the soundtrack

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:54 (one month ago) link

btw she's now shooting the sequel, and Robert Pattinson had to drop out bcz Batman etc

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:57 (one month ago) link

I read it earlier today. Maybe she can get Timothee Chalamet.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 02:59 (one month ago) link

I thought The Souvenir was terrible, just interminable, Swinton Byrne was such a doormat and not a good actor at all, and just the most pallid color palette and boring, unpleasant people. Worse than Rocketman

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:42 (one month ago) link

and I see now there's a part two being filmed? excuse me?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:42 (one month ago) link

Swinton Byrne was a marvelous camera presence.

My review.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:53 (one month ago) link

btw the iMdB is of no use here: what other films have used the Fall's "Totally Wired"?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:18 (one month ago) link

Silence of the Lambs used "Hip Priest", could swear i've heard "TW" used before tho

Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:24 (one month ago) link

also, speaking of not spelling things out, especially for a non-British audience... I *almost* figured out what the repeated shots, and references to Julie's fondness for shopping at Harrods, was building up to. When the BOOM occurred, I knew what was up because I remember the event, but wonder how many younger Americans were puzzled.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:26 (one month ago) link

No, just napping.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:30 (one month ago) link

Richard Ayoade (hilarious) will be back in the sequel as the "c*nt" filmmaker; I was wondering if he was based on anyone who had a career...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:35 (one month ago) link

I liked the screen presence of the POC giving her advice.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:38 (one month ago) link

/Silence of the Lambs/ used "Hip Priest", could swear i've heard "TW" used before tho


feel there is somewhere else rattling around in my head but tbh my first fairly decisive instinct was “lol none”. obv silence of the lambs/hip priest is the famous one and apparently industrial estate on high rise tho i still haven’t seen that.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:38 (one month ago) link

I had almost forgotten Ariane Labed in the van scene near the end, but I couldn't really understand a bloody thing she was saying.

iMdB only mentions "TW" being used in an episode of "Skins."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:40 (one month ago) link

Very few of us have the documentation of our early life that Hogg used to make this film.

from the New Yorker profile:

The night before the couple’s departure, the (Venice) trip was almost scuppered by an apparent robbery in Hogg’s apartment, in which her jewelry, her cameras, and other valuables were stolen. Hogg quickly realized that her lover had faked the theft, and had sold the items for drugs; nevertheless, the trip went ahead. “I had spent months planning, and didn’t want to give up on the plan,” Hogg said. “The show had to go on, and there was so much in the show—so much dreaming, all the ideas. It was creating a piece of work.”

The proximity of these scenes was confusing, to the degree where I wondered if the trip might not be a fantasy.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 June 2019 06:39 (one month ago) link

we need some kind of venn diagram that connects xyzzz and ward's politics to this sort of aristo masturbation fantasy.

LOL! I guess my answer would be, the film industry in Britain has always - with a few obvious exceptions - been utterly middle class, and I'm struggling to think of any 'creative' industry that isn't riddled with nepotism and the workings of the old boys' network. So I admire the fact that Hogg doesn't try to hide her poshness, or pretend to be something she's not; and (haven't seen this new one either) her films feel much more like a critique than a celebration of middle class privilege.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 13 June 2019 08:16 (one month ago) link

In a similar vein you can't help where or to what class you are born, its all material stuff to do things with, play with, things to discover and show and tell.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 June 2019 08:58 (one month ago) link

After the first Anthony breakup, the scene of the young man stripping and getting into bed with Julie drew uncontrollable giggles from a male Brooklyn filmgoer. Men are really not used to seeing nude men under the female gaze.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:24 (one month ago) link

and dismissed as a trick!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:26 (one month ago) link

I'm seeing online complaints that the relationship "had no context," which doesn't make any sense at all to me. There was all kinds of context!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 June 2019 19:32 (one month ago) link


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