the ben wheatley/amy jump thread

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Οὖτις, Monday, 30 June 2014 01:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Watching Kill List

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 June 2014 01:16 (four years ago) Permalink

Sightseers>Kill List>A Field in England. They are all good though.

Looking forward to his Doctor Who episodes.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 30 June 2014 01:30 (four years ago) Permalink

Haha waht

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 June 2014 02:16 (four years ago) Permalink

He comes from a Brit TV background and is directing the first two episodes of the new Doctor Who season:

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2013/oct/15/ben-wheatley-doctor-who-five-things

More looking forward to his High Rise adaptation, tbh

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 30 June 2014 10:17 (four years ago) Permalink

another ben wheatley thread here:
ben wheatley - kill list

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 30 June 2014 10:25 (four years ago) Permalink

More looking forward to his High Rise adaptation, tbh

― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler)

Not heard about this, sounds great.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 30 June 2014 11:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Reece Shearsmith is in it I believe

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Monday, 30 June 2014 11:52 (four years ago) Permalink

and Elizabeth Moss!

Number None, Monday, 30 June 2014 13:10 (four years ago) Permalink

Tom Hiddlestone too apparently.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 30 June 2014 13:41 (four years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

baloo baloo
baloo baloo
baloo baloo lu lee lee lu
the field in england sdtk is seriously in my head
who is jim williams? has he done other stuff? he is not easy to google imo.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Sightseers was p good, not quite as absorbing as Field or Kill List.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I loved Sightseers!
I can't wait to see whatever's next even though each time the more recognizable famous ppl there are, the less likely i am to truly enjoy it.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:09 (four years ago) Permalink

well I don't recognize any of these people so no problem for me! Sightseers was fine, it just wasn't as striking to me as the other two

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:14 (four years ago) Permalink

felt like a smaller-stakes film is all, the conventions it was playing with were less resonant for me

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Sightseers is great! Down Terrace is his first film and was made with quite a small budget, and that deals with a murderous bunch of Brighton gangsters, but there's also this sussex folk song element woven into it - feels like all his films tap into this same subcurrent of atavistic violence in some way.

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Down Terrace is a real street here btw, made it into the local paper here only the other day in fact:
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11352302.Man_jailed_after_violent_attack_on__obnoxious__unwanted_guest/

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

i haven't seen kill list yet
so i have at least that to look forward to
sussex folk song element woven into it - feels like all his films tap into this same subcurrent of atavistic violence in some way.
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

but srsly will SOMEONE tell me about jim williams?
listen to this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW39fmmQEmc

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:28 (four years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6gaBc-O_4A

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

who is he
where did he come from
what does he do all day
what else has he done
these are merely some of the questions i have for jim williams

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

ok i watched 1 min of that and didn't want to spoil any more of the movie -- looks great!

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:33 (four years ago) Permalink

for me it's kill list>down terrace>sightseers but please keep in mind those are minor tiny greater than signs, i think all of them are great to really great honestly. gotta get myself in the right awake mindframe for field in england before i watch it

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:44 (four years ago) Permalink

the youtube for the complete soundtrack only has 262 views
and it's like
SO GOOD
i don't know how to describe it -- it's like evocative dark atmospheric synth sounds with more organic sounds too, baloo my boy (2x), other parts are heavy, super slow, a few melodies, i dunno
i posted it in the popol vuh thread because i think it would appeal to vuh fans but not because it sounds esp like pv

who is jim williams?!

oh! and there is one comment on youtube from "steven smith" (steven r smith?) that reads "yes"

i have a lot of questions

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 16:55 (four years ago) Permalink

you guys are mean

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 17:17 (four years ago) Permalink

weird that first link doesnt work but its totally legit wtf

let me try here

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 17:23 (four years ago) Permalink

success! click that link for info

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 17:23 (four years ago) Permalink

haha sorry, I don't know why that link doesn't work!

first is the worst (askance johnson), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 17:37 (four years ago) Permalink

hey i can be a drip sometimes, nbd
and thx for some answers

i wonder if there is a collected works of james jim williams

love this part

Ben Wheatley: We try and imagine that the film is split into two halves and the first half is period instruments that the characters might be able to play or that their friends might own.

Jim Williams: What Ben suggested was could we have one small thing as if they could play the instruments themselves so that there be a small band of simple instruments and then to expand it into more of a psychedelic electronic thing.

Ben Wheatley: Once they cross over the mushroom circle, everything will be much bigger and synth-ier and kind of more electronic and booming and more like the sound of inside your body rather than a kind of diluted musical score.

La Lechera, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 17:47 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

watched a field in england last night. I loved sightseers and liked kill list a lot but this was on another level. Immediately upon finishing I went back and watched the first 25 minutes again while annoying La Lechera with messages about the movie. So much to chew on and like.

I felt pretty convinced this is supposed to be like ye olde english Mystery Play where the characters are not people at all but virtues, jostling about in the self. But in the cold light of saturday maybe I'm wrong. It gave me that feeling v strongly though. Accentuated by the greenawayish hyper-formalized moments where they would be in tableaux vivants and the way new sections would be kind of signaled by sudden gong or bell sounds like in a monastery ringing the different phases of the day (starting with the shell giving the scholar tinnitus).

IDK I never felt that these were characters with lives before and after the story, they seem like allegorical items to me (this is not meant at all to be pejorative btw).

I want to know more about Amy Jump. She has no interviews online that I can find. I will probably watch some of the copious process videos they released about the movie today. Wheatley says he wrote the movie a bunch of times over years and gave up and she took it and totally rewrote it based on her own ideas and research.

I have some eMusic credits left; the OST will be mine today.

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 31 August 2014 15:49 (four years ago) Permalink

I need to go rewatch this movie. I found it quite frustrating at the time.

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Sunday, 31 August 2014 18:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Like peoples reactions to it like Jon's above are intriguing. I certainly wasn't ready for that type of movie on the back of the other Wheatley movie I've seen (although there are parallels in terms of folklore and so on just a complete 180 in terms of style I thought)

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Sunday, 31 August 2014 18:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I want to know more about Amy Jump. She has no interviews online that I can find.

She's Wheatley's partner, and they do a joint commentary track on the Kill List DVD

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 1 September 2014 09:07 (four years ago) Permalink

I just happened to see this again last night. One of my favourite films of the last few years. Certainly one of the most beautiful films of recent times.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 September 2014 13:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Did anyone get the very limited vinyl-only release of the sightseers OST? I am very grumpy that I can't buy it as a download like the Field album.

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Monday, 1 September 2014 13:48 (four years ago) Permalink

I really like everything he's done. Very excited about High Rise.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 September 2014 15:17 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean the four films. Never seen any of his TV work for hire so can't comment on that.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 September 2014 15:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Watched Kill List tonight because of this thread. Liked it. The whole movie to me seems to be about violence and the ways we process it and categorize it. (A lot like The End of Violence.) It's not any accident that the three institutions represented -- church/scholars/politics -- are the three that provide the needed blessing/justification/legal cover for institutional violence in warfare. And the ending (SPOILER) is just a re-enactment of Abraham and Isaac, without the last-minute reprieve. It's not even as bad as the Bible, because he doesn't know he's killing his own child. It's a parable of sacred violence.

Want to see more of his/their stuff.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 03:03 (four years ago) Permalink

And the particular intensity of the violence against the librarian was interesting -- the idea that documenting and archiving was somehow the worst offense. In this case it was for pleasure, but I think the snuff-film thing was a bit of a red herring. It was more that someone had seen him and written him down -- as if there's something inherently sadistic in the knowledge.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 03:06 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

re-watched A Field in England the other night, so great. The faerie circle/magical curse angle makes more and more sense (esp since I endeavored to pay closer attention to some of the dialogue this time around). It seems clear that Whitehead essentially swaps places with/becomes O'Neill - Cutler, as O'Neill's "familiar" (more or less) is released/freed when O'Neill kills him (O'Neill makes a crack at one point that the only way out for Cutler will be death), and is replaced by Jacob, who assumes his role in the end.

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 November 2014 22:14 (four years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

In one of the banner deals to go down at the 2015 Berlin Fest, Sony Pictures Worldwide Acquisitions (SPWA) has acquired a clutch of territories including Australia/New Zealand, Latin America, Scandinavia, Spain, Eastern Europe and select other markets on Ben Wheatley’s upcoming action thriller “Free Fire.”

Executive produced by Martin Scorsese, the latest from one of the most-talked up of young British talents features a cast led by Luke Evans, Armie Hammer, Cillian Murphy and Olivia Wilde.

“Free Fire” tells the story of the aftermath of a gun deal gone horribly wrong.

Studiocanal has U.K. rights to the film, Protagonist Pictures is selling international and WME Global is handling its U.S. domestic sale.

The first film from Wheatley to be set in the U.S., “Free Fire” is scheduled for a spring start.

Number None, Monday, 9 February 2015 10:23 (four years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I've seen The Ascent in a really bad copy - even so it was a powerful experience.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 27 February 2015 08:58 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
one month passes...

the reviews aren't great

still, Portishead doing ABBA

Number None, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:31 (three years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRBeZGYisLg&feature=youtu.be

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:33 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmY2tBYins

Number None, Thursday, 7 January 2016 21:57 (three years ago) Permalink

Don't know what to make of Love On a Real Train usage.

ewar woowar (or something), Friday, 8 January 2016 02:46 (three years ago) Permalink

kinda not interested in anything he does without Amy Jump tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Couldn’t finish HNY. It all seemed so pointless.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:05 (five months ago) Permalink

High Rise is pretty much a (metaphorical) vision of what the next two or three years of the UK could be and I think of it often

Free Fire was fun! As I keep saying, McDonagh but better (maybe)

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:06 (five months ago) Permalink

well, no one can stop you from saying it

Number None, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:09 (five months ago) Permalink

if i've only seen high rise, what do i watch next?

imo high rise had a mismatch with ballard's tone that kind of made it into an exercise of reproduction rather than a film with a statement

mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:12 (five months ago) Permalink

A Field in England is their best by miles

Number None, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:13 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean it is, but it's also arguably my favourite British film of the last....very long time

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:42 (five months ago) Permalink

definitely their best since sightseers imo

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:43 (five months ago) Permalink

Kill List and High Rise also grand fare, Sightseers worth a watch, haven't seen the first one for some reason

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:44 (five months ago) Permalink

xpost I'll go with Kill List. I'll need to watch A Field in England again though. I just didnt get it tbh

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink

my rankings would be:

A Field in England
Kill List
High Rise
Sightseers
Down Terrace

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink

That feels right but I'd put High Rise second as...well, it was kind of made for me

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:46 (five months ago) Permalink

of those ive seen

kill list
field in england
sightseers

dont see free fire its rubbish

topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:47 (five months ago) Permalink

Another thing I like to say: if Wheatley/Jump protege Alice Lowe's Prevenge was added to that canon it'd be not far behind AFIE for me, it's sensationally good

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:50 (five months ago) Permalink

I do think A Field in England is so incredible and unique that it's miles ahead of the others, but that makes it sound like Kill List and High Rise are somehow also not great and they are

idg complaints about High Rise re: Ballard, felt like that was the best on-screen translation of Ballard's ouevre and milieu that anyone's gonna be able to pull off (similar to Jackson and the LOTR films).

also High Rise ending with the kid listening to the Fall's "Industrial Estate" was chefskiss.gif

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:50 (five months ago) Permalink

not sure what it says about me tbh, but the cosy psychopath pair of down terrace and sightseers are the two where i really feel the vibe

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:51 (five months ago) Permalink

i like his fun genre exercises like Free Fire and Down Terrace

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:52 (five months ago) Permalink

xps shakey why the fuck would you say that why would anyone say something like that

topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:53 (five months ago) Permalink

?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:56 (five months ago) Permalink

triggered by jackson

topical mlady (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:03 (five months ago) Permalink

the whetstone is over there if you need to grind yr axe

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:05 (five months ago) Permalink

idg complaints about High Rise re: Ballard, felt like that was the best on-screen translation of Ballard's ouevre and milieu that anyone's gonna be able to pull off

This is how I feel, too. (had already cut off the Jackson remark tbph bcz fuck lotr) High Rise stayed with me for a long time after watching it, though perhaps I'm easily pleased by dystopia.

I need to see A Field in England, don't I?

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Field in England is the only one I really remember AND the score is one of my favorites of the last ?? years

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:25 (five months ago) Permalink

my complaint re: High Rise is that it's a direct translation of the novel and the things that work in prose, from the perspective of a very level Ballard-style narrator work well because there's a disconnect between the narrative voice and the lascivious and violent things that occur in many of his stories. not advocating that the events on screen should be completely over-the-top and x-rated, but I felt like there were only a few framing moments that were truly nasty. the point is that the audience should be wondering why the narrator isn't recoiling in horror and the perspective seemed a little blunted

mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I'll grant that there is a generally detached, inscrutable interiority to Ballard's style in general, and that doesn't seem like a natural fit for a medium like film. nonetheless, I thought Wheatley and Jump did a good job of casting a suitably blank cipher in the lead and generally portraying the gradual disintegration and degradation of the residents as a kind of comically horrible, slow, death-of-a-society.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:01 (five months ago) Permalink

I mean, I liked it quite a bit! I just thought the approach could be a little different

mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:02 (five months ago) Permalink

at the very least it was way better than Cronenberg's "Crash"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:04 (five months ago) Permalink

strong disagree

mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:04 (five months ago) Permalink

I think Crash got all the parts right that High Rise got wrong, and vice versa, if that makes any sense

mh, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Crash is excellent. It got the dead-eyed Ballardian tone right

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah, Crash is a much better translation of the Ballardian aesthetic, imho - High Rise way too flamboyant and narrowly political (Ballard nothing if not a Shepperton troll who I can easily imagine being 'pro' Brexit for the lols and chaos).

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 11:00 (five months ago) Permalink

you guys are crazy

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:25 (five months ago) Permalink

well here is more crazy - based on five mins of High Rise I caught on TV I'm gonna go for Empire of the Sum as a better adaptation of Ballard too.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:24 (five months ago) Permalink

five minutes

. (Michael B), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, you all hated High Rise but let's be real here: it's the original Brexit movie isn't it

― imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol how is a film about the goings on in a high-rise building anything to do w/Brexit? Just relax you like it no need to map out a bunch of nothing to it.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I've watched a lot of film the nose is pretty good at this point.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:29 (five months ago) Permalink

Empire of the Sun is a great adaptation of Ballard except for the score, which totally ruins the film.

High Rise >> EotS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crash

and I am a huge Cronenberg fan but ugh I felt embarrassed for the actors in Crash, the whole thing was painful to watch

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:40 (five months ago) Permalink

Are you sure you watched the right Crash?

I can't dérive fifty-feev (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:48 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't get that AT ALL.

(Also the BFI book on it by Iain Sinclair is really good, probably one of the best things he's ever done)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:58 (five months ago) Permalink

guess what I don't like Dead Ringers either

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 19:26 (five months ago) Permalink

here are all of Cronenberg's bad films btw:
M. Butterfly
Crash
Dead Ringers
Spider
Cosmopolis

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 19:27 (five months ago) Permalink

Maps to the Stars and Dangerous Method are worse than most of those (haven't seen M Butterfly)

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:06 (five months ago) Permalink

never saw maps to the stars

Dangerous Method was v funny imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:07 (five months ago) Permalink

no wait that's not true I did see Maps to the Stars, and while yes it was bad it had one redeeming shot/sequence so I gave it a pass

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:08 (five months ago) Permalink

Οὖτις is a fast company stan

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:08 (five months ago) Permalink

(said shot being Julianne Moore repeatedly smashing the viewer/camera in the face with an Oscar statue)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:09 (five months ago) Permalink

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:09 (five months ago) Permalink

xpost
v much agree w/ xyzzzz that the Sinclair book on Crash is excellent and one of the best things he's done, though he's (unsurprisingly) much more interested in Ballard than Cronenberg.

I watched a collection of Cronenberg's pre-Shivers/They Came From Within films not that long ago - they're not very good either.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:10 (five months ago) Permalink

I liked Madame Butterfly (think its underrated) and A Dangerous Method as well.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:38 (five months ago) Permalink


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