Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

there's gonna be some kinda huge legal showdown between the state of CA (which is obviously moving towards outright legalization) and the Supreme Court/DEA and I dunno how that's gonna shake out. Its possible CA's laws will get struck down and the Feds will strongarm the state... maybe not likely, but possible.

as it is I just get free weed from my neighbor (who runs a pot club)

Love that guy!

I think it will eventually be like gay marriage - 'cause I've met lots of right-wing dickweeds my age and younger who love weed. It's when the generation that was conned into thinking it was a rape drug used by 'colored' people to rape your daughter or at least corrupt her morals have passed that many of them, at least the ones who aren't abjectly cretinous anti-tax libertarians will want to tax and oversee like w/liquor. Plus, all those reddish states who like sucking on the Federal teat so much while espousing 'fiscal conservatism' may eventually be convinced that they could make mad cash growing.

yeah agreed about the demographic shift

And even so, I dunno I just don't want my name on a list somewhere.

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier)

lol this is me. despite all evidence to the contrary I FEAR THE MAN.

you guys both live in the bay area tho xp

not sure the demographic shift is as true for young conservatives in alabama (etc.)

I mean, I'm just going off anecdotal evidence here, but there seem to be VERY few people in my parents' generation who made it through the 60s-70s without smoking weed - including plenty of people who are hardcore conservatives now and aren't pro-legalization.

Perhaps, so, iatee, but I still think they're outnumbered.

Especially since there are many economic liberals/libertarians amongst California conservatives and independents who don't like big government telling them what to do.

all the polls I've seen have suggested that yeah we do have hope in california...I just think it has more to do w/ california's weird libertarianism than w/ national demographic changes

yeah exactly

Also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/euro2000/teams/england/790392.stm

I think this shift is true throughout CA tho (yeah obviously that doesn't apply to the rest of the country). LA's a case in point, the pot club community has exploded down there. There just aren't that many demographics in this state that are against it.

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yeah but that has to be put in contrast w/ the rest of the country, where the republicans, young and old, realllllly aren't libertarians. like...in any sense...

I've been harvesting a lot of public policy reports for the institutional repository at my University and almost half of them are alcohol-abuse-awareness related. I cry real heartfelt emotional tears over the hypocrisy of legal alcohol and illegal weed. Just seems so fucking obvious to me.

Bill Maher said the other night that there were more pot clubs than Starbucks in LA County.

It's when the generation that was conned into thinking it was a rape drug used by 'colored' people to rape your daughter or at least corrupt her morals have passed

c'mon dude, there aren't that many nonagenarians left

what's the compare/contrast on vapor vs. bubbler?

no contest

that wasn't the question iirc.

vapor is incredibly smooth. (way) smoother than any kind of literal smoking.

btw i think i smoke too much but i am looking at using weed more effectively to enhance my life.

ditto, ian. is the actual hi any dif? how much would a decent one set me back?

i know nothing about pricing, having never owned a vaporizer. but i had a roommate for a few years who did and it was a pretty device to have on hand. the high didn't seem to be significantly different but it's hard to say since it's been years since i've used a vaporizer.

I've known folks who claim that they don't get high from vapors.
I'm not one of them.

A Volcano is like $400. Love 'em, but not worth the $ imo.

i get wayyyy higher off vapors than smoke but the actual high isnt very different

It's basically a crack pipe but in college days people (who most certainly were not me, hi IT dudes at work) used a little glass thing called an ubie that was like $10 and had most of the benefits of a vape

If THEY held the lighter too close to it, though, it just became a regular pipe.

Volcano is where it's at. I wish someone would buy me one. Weed Fairy, where art thou?

the high is waaaaaaaaay different

i've been using vaporizers since 1998

imo, the high is cleaner, less confusing, more hallucinatory

max u should come over

ill bring the sardines

dunno i get intimidated by vapes last time i got high on one i spent 2 hours waiting for a pizza and then realized i never ordered one

and you think the high is different?

not different

btw i have plenty of sardines here

http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

It's definitely different. But to a rookie, high is high.

fuckin rookies

They always scorch the whole bowl. It's rude and amateurish.

save some green asshole

a little glass thing called an ubie that was like $10 and had most of the benefits of a vape

We got one of these but couldn't really get the hang of it. Either nothing came out of it at all or as said above we'd hold the lighter too close and it'd just be like a normal pipe. Never used it again cos we've not been able to get a decent supply for over 2 years now and haven't really got enough to waste trying to figure it out.

Hate when folks torch the bowl. Just blazing the flame the whole time that they are taking their hit. It's lit already! Don't fucking scorch the whole bowl!

I wish I had a volcano of my own.

The turkey roasting bag on the Volcano is what makes it fool proof. Too many other vaporizers, you're all "did I get a hit?"

I like to turn the setting up high on the volcano. It's cool cuz its variable! You can change the concentration of the vapors! Also, you can cook with or even smoke the weed after you've vaporized it, usually, and is good to have around when you run out of fresh shit. Better than resin or roaches, anyway. IMO.

eh that vapor in the bag gets stale

That's why you take the whole thing in one toke!
(no you don't, you'll turn green)

A whole bag of vapor is for sharing, not camping.