2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

PA:
2004 Kerry (D) 51% Bush (R) 48.5%
2000 Gore (D) 50.6% Bush (R) 46.4%
1996 Clinton (D) 49.2% Dole (R) 40%
1992 Clinton (D) 45.1% Bush (R) 36.1%
1988 Bush (R) 50.7% Dukakis (D) 48.4%
1984 Reagan (R) 53.3% Mondale (D) 46%
1980 Reagan (R) 49.6% Carter (D) 42.5%
1976 Carter (D) 50.4% Ford (R) 47.7%

(Numbers from CNN)

Reagan basically won everything

PA went for Nixon in 72, but Humphrey in 68

It's teetering right on the edge, huh. That explains some of the Clinton support to me.

Catholics

I wonder what Kurtz means by revelations of Obama’s formative radicalism. I can only guess this is a reference to the fact that his mother was an anthropologist - which, as any Hoover Institute fellow would surely know, is a hot-bed of radical leftism.

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HELLO MS CLINTON IT IS OVER

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I wonder what Kurtz means by revelations of Obama’s formative radicalism. I can only guess this is a reference to the fact that his mother was an anthropologist - which, as any Hoover Institute fellow would surely know, is a hot-bed of radical leftism.

According to his autobiography, he read Marx and Foucault! He's a danger to America.

I wonder what Kurtz means by revelations of Obama’s formative radicalism. I can only guess this is a reference to the fact that his mother was an anthropologist - which, as any Hoover Institute fellow would surely know, is a hot-bed of radical leftism.

ha the 'spengler' column i linked to a bajillion posts ago made exactly this case. also, he's controlled by his wife. who hates america. and his pastor. who also, you may note, hates america.

Right, how could I forget: a few words taken out of context are enough to tar and feather someone as unpatriotic.

o. nate when did you stop hating America

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

WAU @ one day's movement on the gallup poll

Dean says finish this shit by July 1st

lol @ the poor altar boys trying not to lose their shit in that clip

I assume from conversations I've had with my family (whom all live in Philadelphia) that for most Dem. primary voters, Casey isn't a huge deal. When they voted for Casey before, it was an anti-Republican vote, and they don't really care that much about him.

In Philly, Casey is seen as too far right (Pro Lifer) but his father was very popular with the Reagan Dems in the non-urban areas-- a lot moreso than Rendell.

He sounds a lot like our Mark Pryor.

yes

Noonan, WSJ today:

What, really, is Mrs. Clinton doing? She is having the worst case of cognitive dissonance in the history of modern politics. She cannot come up with a credible, realistic path to the nomination. She can't trace the line from "this moment's difficulties" to "my triumphant end." But she cannot admit to herself that she can lose. Because Clintons don't lose. She can't figure out how to win, and she can't accept the idea of not winning. She cannot accept that this nobody from nowhere could have beaten her, quietly and silently, every day. (She cannot accept that she still doesn't know how he did it!)

haha - did we just read Sullivan at the same time?

deej you double-dipped on that leahy image, tsk tsk

so who else is already dreading coverage/celebration of Hillary's comeback win in PA?

"comeback"

so who else is already dreading coverage/celebration of Hillary's comeback win in PA?

-- gr8080, Friday, March 28, 2008 12:36 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

yes shakey i considered putting that i quotes but i figured ppl would get what i meant

the downside of all this "Hillary GTFO" noise is how her campaign will try to make PA sound like a huge upset with admonishments in high dudgeon about voters' rights in remaining states and tones of reverence about hillary's persistence and courage, blah blah blah i can't take it fuck kill it kill the primary now plz plz plz

i love the idea that puerto rico is actually going to get election night coverage.

elmo OTM

yea, i am worried too about all the calls for hillary to get out. while i'm happy that the media has slightly backed off the "OMG this race is neck and neck!!" narrative, it just makes the environment more ripe for the "OMG hilz is back!!!" narrative that's going to be everywhere on 4/22-4/25.

though at least the media seems to be getting the importance of NC and indiana, too. but it's gonna gross, fucking GROSS to hear all the HRC-mark penn-howard wolfson gloating about how "obama has peaked" "hillary shows she can win all the big states" etc etc.

ok I flagged a positive Hillary comment earlier .... now back to your regularly scheduled "this is some bullshit, Bill, stfu"

At a stop in rural Pennsylvania, over winding roads and through rolling hills in small Lewistown, PA, where people lined the streets to watch his motorcade approach, former President Bill Clinton had high praise for the man who has clinched the nomination for the other party.
Mr. Clinton said all three major candidates remaining in the race are talented and special people.
He did not go into detail on Sen. Barack Obama, the Illinois Senator still locked in political combat with Sen. Clinton's wife for the Democratic nomination. Their next battle takes place next month in Pennsylvania.
But McCain, who Mr. Clinton said is a "moderate", "has given about all you can give for this country without dyin' for it."
He said McCain was on the right side of issues like being against torture of enemy combatants and global warming, which "just about crosses the bridge for them (Republicans)."

it just makes the environment more ripe for the "OMG hilz is back!!!" narrative that's going to be everywhere on 4/22-4/25.

holy crap, more than a month of delusional "still in the game" shit BEFORE this happens!

"just less than" even

hillary's already using the calls for her to drop out as fundraising fodder, and the obama campaign is quietly asserting that clinton still has the right to be in the race. ugh. the only plausible way i can see to prevent the hillary fighter-outsider-comeback story is obama's super count reaching a critical tipping point.

she's not going to blow him away in Pennsylvania as the polls first show. Her delegate additions will be modest.

hillary's already using the calls for her to drop out as fundraising fodder

More evidence that the most powerful weapon in the Democratic primary this year is the ability to marshall and use political umbrage.

Her delegate additions will be modest.

That amounts to a hill of beans when it comes to the media narrative, though. Shit, Hillary ended up with fewer delegates in Texas when all was said and done, but because she won the primary, it was treated as a victory.

yeah I'm still kinda annoyed that the press counts her as "winning" as Texas

Gents, ignore the "narrative." I thought by now you guys would be inoculated.

I don't normally give half a shit about Bill Maher, but this struck me:

Reverend Wright associated with Farrakhan. The Pope works with Cardinal Law. Which is worse? Isn't it the man who shuffled "priests" like Shanley and Geoghan and many others from parish to parish with the full knowledge of their crimes, and then claimed he had no idea?

Yes, by Sean Hannity's own logic, Catholics like him, en masse, would be expected to abandon their church. Which shouldn't be a problem, because they worship Reagan anyway.

hillary's already using the calls for her to drop out as fundraising fodder, and the obama campaign is quietly asserting that clinton still has the right to be in the race. ugh. the only plausible way i can see to prevent the hillary fighter-outsider-comeback story is obama's super count reaching a critical tipping point.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, March 28, 2008 8:34 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i heard an audio clip on Dean on the radio just now that seemed like he was ever so gently urging the 400 (or so) uncommitted superdelegates to start endorsing.

xpost: I think this whole Rev. Wright "controversy" is ridiculously overblown, but that is a good analogy/point of comparison at all... the vast majority of worshipping catholics don't have a longstanding personal relationship with the pope..

also got to hear Rush gloat over this item over the air:

Limbaugh safe from voter-fraud charges

he then announced that he has not yet determined who he will instruct the PA dem-registered dittoheads to vote for in April. Registration closed for the dem. primary last week.

At least he isn't safe from arteriosclerosis.

Gore on 60 Minutes

i heard an audio clip on Dean on the radio just now that seemed like he was ever so gently urging the 400 (or so) uncommitted superdelegates to start endorsing.

reid earlier this week Reid said he'd just talked with Dean and that this wouldn't stretch on to the convention and that they were "working on it" or something; within a few days Obama endorsements started showing up, in conjunction with this Leahy thing, so I expect this to just continue over the next few weeks.

i don't think gore will endorse or anything on 60 minutes, give me a break. Gore's attentions are 100% completely pointed at the issue of global warming. I have a feeling the guy has a personal disdain for political circus at this point.

I would too if I were him.

and yeah it looks like the party leadership is finally ramping up pressure to get the superdelegates to commit and finish this. even though, I don't expect Hillary to cave until after PA.

I would too if I were him.