David Lynch's "Inland Empire"

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It's opening in Austin, there'll hafta be a SF run.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the idea of lynch driving it around the country. rolling into some midsize midwestern city in an oldsmobile with the reels in the trunk, chatting up the manager at some local multiplex, talking him into giving him a screen for a couple nights on the q.t., advertising by hand-delivering fliers to coffee shops and record stores and kinko's. "tonight inland empire 7 & 10:30 p.m. WITH LAURA DERN" in magic marker on piece of notebook paper taped to the inside of the box office ticket booth. at the end of each show he stands outside and thanks everyone as they leave.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

shakey mo, it's been playing in LA for a month at a few theaters.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

are you willing to go to Marin Co. in February?

http://hellonfriscobay.blogspot.com/


Our first chance comes January 19th when Lynch is set to appear at the Rafael Film Center, which started distributing its new calendar last week. The film will open there for an engagement of an unspecified length on February 9th.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah I'll take that - prefer Marin to LA.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

(thx for all the research Morbs I really appreciate it!)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Please explain what this film was about.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i wrote this on the sandbox:

plot wise my theory is: that polish chick is stuck in purgatory cuz her movie was never finished and she died cuz she got preggy from some trick (or the other actor?) and her husband kicked the shit out of her or she killed herself with a screwdriver giving herself an abortion and laura dern like 50 years later or whatever finishes the movie or something and the crying polish chick watches the finally completed movie and is sent on her path to heaven or happiness or whatever during that emotional scene where they kiss or i dunno.

keep in mind i saw this movie twice. once on shrooms months ago and once sober last weekend so i dunno i might be wrong. someone help me. i still dont know that the fuck "hes good with animals" thing means.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't understand who/what the poor Laura Dern was/ the one with the husband who got ketchup all over his shirt?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/4680/po.133070.jpg

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 15 January 2007 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

chaki i feel you

69 (plsmith), Monday, 15 January 2007 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Nikki is the classy actress lady who lives in a mansion. I thought Sue was the nicely dressed Southern lady of the movie. But who is the lower class Laura Dern, the Laura Dern who cavorts with ladies of night, and the Laura Dern who delivers monologue to strange man?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 15 January 2007 08:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i understand the impulse to make this thing fit some kind of narrative but i think it's somewhat beside the point. (which it almost always is with lynch.) the movie makes more sense as variations on his old favorite theme of identity, the deep curdled layers of the self and all the mechanisms of expression and deception built on top of it. the importance of illusions in maintaining some sense of reality, the way reality is constructed and is always closer to the verge of collapse than we're generally willing to admit. i think all his movie metaphors are basically metaphors of consciousness. so in that sense a cursed movie would be a cursed consciousness, a cursed awareness -- poisoned knowledge. you could argue (and some film student probably has) that lynch's movies are all variations on the eden story. as written and directed by the serpent.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 15 January 2007 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

sooooooo looooooooong. I prefer Lynch with an hour time limit.

quincie (quincie), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone spots Nastassja Kinski in it, let me know.

Hello, did anyone ever answer this for you? There are several threads going on about the film--she's in the very last bit, the same scene Laura Harring shows up in aka the credits. It is completely, 100% "if you blinked you missed her," she's sitting off to the side of Laura Dern. If she shows up elsewhere in the film, I missed it though.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked Nikki being an onion, having all those different women in her.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I THINK KINSKI IS THE BLURRED OUT FACED PROSTITUTE IN THE BEGINNING TOO.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

David Lynch is doing a Q&A at the Austin opening. This sold out pretty quickly - I'm pissed that I'm missing it!

Matt Olken (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I mulled that idea over in my head because I honestly didn't notice her anywhere else in the film. I mean Laura Harring is a rabbit, so surely Kinski shows up in a similar circumstance? She wouldn't just show up for no reason at the end, or would she, I mean why were quite a few things in there (etc).

The Q&A in Silver Spring wasn't much cop--Lynch was great, very interesting and funny but it was hosted by one of the most awful people in the entire DC metro area and he got questions that boiled down to "Actresses are pretty huh?"

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Naomi Watts is the only female rabbit (voice, anyway)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the Q&A for this film:

1. How did you shoot a movie using digital? Did you point the camera at the actors or what?

2. I like Polish composers too. Why do YOU like Polish composers?

3. How did you make this color digital motion picture? Was a camera involved? Perhaps more than one?

4. Do you like girls circle one yes no maybe

5. Was this film made using the Sony Pl508JSXminiDVcamcamcorder-corder? Should I buy one to make my thesis? Tell me about the features and the specifications, especially battery life.

6. Did you lie about your answer to number 4 circle one no yes sorta

7. Dude I want to have your babies, so what's it like, working in digital?

TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Not true, according to the credits--though I think the other female rabbit says approximately one thing? I did think it was Naomi Watts the entire time myself to be honest.

xpost please do not make it sound like there were that many technical questions, #7 did not actually ask Lynch a question at all and actually said "I just wanted to tell you I love you" or something to that effect. And it was the last question too! They cut off everyone else! If I was in line, I would've killed that little 14 year old fucker.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I was kind of hoping there would be a battle when the girl asked the misognist=you question but then she backed off.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

So, what I'm saying is, don't feel too bad if you miss the Q&A, it unfortunately isn't long enough to get past a lot of the fan boys to get to good questions that would really help with the film. Definitely go see the film either way.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I will, I will

Matt Olken (Moodles), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably plan to go multiple times, or see it in theatre then netflix it ASAP after it is DVD'd.

The more I am away from it the more I like it! There are a lot of loose ends and things that make very little sense to it but I like the core of it.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

you wanna see it again this week, AZ?

69 (plsmith), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't get around the whole "check out this move" to the hookers and then she just snaps her fingers a buncha times. waht

TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Ally OTM, the more I think about it the more I like it. If you'd asked me what I thought right afterwards I would have said too long. Now, I'm not so sure. Anyway.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

wasn't long enough

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't get around the whole "check out this move" to the hookers and then she just snaps her fingers a buncha times. waht

-- TOMB07 (tombo...), Today 1:53 PM. (TOMBOT) (later) (link)

i thought that meant the next bit with the screwdriver.

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, while it was somewhat painful at the time, it's fun to go back and mull over the film. Also: I had a really vivid schizo dream the night after. And: that Ballad of the Upanishad music that they introduced with, did that "melody" get mirrored toward the end of the movie, because really, I felt near the end, as if it repeated and I felt like my mind was being sucked into a vortex.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

that was the locomotion mary

69 (plsmith), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

sweet - just got tickets to the Feb 8th screening at the Castro. I think this will be the first time I've seen a David Lynch film on the big screen...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone recognize the song in the trailer (at http://inlandempirecinema.com/ )?

Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 18 January 2007 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

On second viewing, I'm convinced the key dialogue lines are "Actions have consequences" (helpfully said twice) and "I don't know what came first, and it laid a mindfuck on me" (autocritique?).

As for the Lost Girl, I guess being stuck watching TV in an attic is the perfect definition of Purgatory. I don't quite understand why her liberation is the joy of being reunited with her/Nikki's husband, who in all his previous guises has been a scary bastard.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

also there's a point where one character (i'm remembering it as one of the hooker/greek chorus girls in the backyard) says "it had something to do with the passage of time." so yeah among other things the movie is an inquisition of causality.

anyway, need to see this again.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw this again tonight. there's really very little i'd trim from this if i could (i did think the part where she's stumbling across the intersection and the camera reveals that it's HOLLYWOOD and VINE was a little much)

one of the two guys sitting next to me to his friend, both of whom left about an hour and a half into the movie: "this is the worst fucking movie i've ever seen, screw this shit..."

also: bjork and matthew barney were in attendance!

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

also also: i noticed mary steenburgen's name in the credits as "visitor #2". buh?

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

she was the landlady of the pink house - she came in about an unpaid bill

69 (plsmith), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i was kind of surprised to see her show up in this, but also a little impressed. far cry from joan of arcadia!

more grease in the pianissimo. (tehresa), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

oh man, i didn't recognize her at ALL

also, i completely forgot that william h. macy has a ten-second cameo in this

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone recognize the song in the trailer

this was discussed, i guess on the sandbox, the song is by lynch, also sung by lynch

btw, happy birthday david lynch, and happy birthday to me

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

so is N.Kinski in the end credit sequence, or elsewhere?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I already told you that! She is in the end credit sequence, to the side of Laura Dern. I didn't notice her at ALL in the rest of the movie though chaki speculates that she is the blurry prostitute.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw in on Friday. Fucking stunning. Dunno if I'd say it's the best film Lynch has ever made, but it's right up there with Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead. Have to let things settle, see it at least one more time before I can say anything definitive about what it meant to me.

But I'm surprised that so many folks (not here, necessarily) have complained about the DV look. Thought it suited Lynch's style very well. Loved the heavy graininess on the blown-up and darker shots. Loved the bleary, blurry, supersaturated reds. The endless, swollen close-ups were great, as were the rougher, hand-held sequences. Visually, I thought it was a breakthrough for Lynch.

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Saw it as a film about redemption -- about "rescuing" oneself from the burden of guilt. Mulholland Drive was (arguably) about a character who is eventually consumed and destroyed by her own guilt and shame. In Inland Empire, Laura Dern seems to betray her husband and, as a result, is plunged into a purgatorial dreamscape of lost identity, madness, prostitution and murder. Her very powerful husband curses her: she becomes a whore, and her identity fragments. She tumbles through worlds-within-worlds and seeems, even, to die. But somehow, in finally, quite horribly, dying, she escapes the curse. She frees herself from self-loathing and self-destruction. In the endless hallways that seem to represent her unconscious mind, she confronts her demons, killing them and unifying the world -- which seems only to be her self.

Was she ever really an actress, or a whore? In a "real world" sense, did she ever betray her husband or lose a son? It's hard to say. So much remains unexplained. In the end, all I can say for sure is that the murderous Polish husband (in the historical sequences) and the screwdriver-weilding woman who stalked her and competed for her identity seemed only like fractured, male and female reflections of her own self-loathing.

In destroying/escaping these beings, she regains the power to author her own identity. Which leads into the very upbeat version Nina Simone's "Sinnerman" over the end credits, with its celebratory refrain: "power!" A movie about escaping cursed narratives (those placed on us by others and those we author for ourselves), about self-redemption.

But what or who is "LB"?
Why all the weird hostility toward Hollywood?
Whose star was it? ("Dorothy...")
What's the deal with looking through a cigarette burn in silk?
Does it have anything to do with the "cigarette burns" that match one reel of film to the next (visible frequently in the print I saw)?
"Good with animals"?
So, ummm, the rabbits...

And Allyzay's right. Kinski is sitting to Dern's left on the couch in the final party scene -- wearing a yellow dress, I think.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Does it have anything to do with the "cigarette burns" that match one reel of film to the next (visible frequently in the print I saw)?

yeah i wondered that too. was the in-film cigarette burn in the top right corner of the frame as well? i forget now.

trans pacific donkey cell phone (sleep), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Recall that when Dern pushed the cig through the fabric the hole was more-or-less centered in the shot, but I'm not sure. I don't know that the connection is valid, but I don't know what else to make of it.

I believe that a "cigarette burn" (small white circle in the upper right-hand corner of the frame/screen) did appear during -- or right before or right after -- the first literal cigarette burning scene. Have to see it again to be sure.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, one valid reading is the whole thing is about movies and the subconscious.

Why all the weird hostility toward Hollywood?

Any kind of hostility toward it seems nonweird to me, esp regarding the exploitation of women.

I believe it was Dorothy Lamour's star.

Is it ever clear that the original attempt to film the Blue Tomorrows story was American? or Euro?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The origin of the Blue Tomorrows script/film wasn't ever made clear, or if it was, I missed it. Saw it as a MacGuffin, anyway.

The "exploitation of women" angle you bring up is interesting, though. This film's primary character is both an actress and a prostitute. Mulholland Drive seemed to make a similar comparison, if more obliquely. Women frequently appear as victim/objects in Lynch's films: they’re subject to male desire and anger, powerful in their "mysterious" allure, but fundamentally other-than. Inland Empire is the only Lynch film in which the camera eye & authorial voice seem to genuinely identify with a female protagonist. Dern isn't an exotic bird that Lynch and his audience observe, perhaps pity -- she's us. While we're watching the film, we're experiencing her story, from her POV. This, too, seems like a breakthrough.

Is it significant that it was Lamour's star? Can anyone expand on this?

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link


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