I mean, "Oh btw I think he should've done some fair punishment at the time etc, just don't see what good this does now for anyone" is some Bush-era DOJ style bullshit. What's the point of laws if perpetrators aren't caught, no matter how long it takes?
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link
and there are all these guys back in the la justice dept waiting for him to get on a plane
― call all destroyer, Monday, 28 September 2009 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
when the victim is on the public record as wanting the case to go away
(that is, perpetrators of terrible crimes should be SWIFTLY punished).
he would've been SWIFTLY punished had he not fled the country - it's not like the LAPD diddled around for 35 years before going "oh hey we finished this case time for trial!"
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
a lot of sexual assault victims want the cases to go away for many reasons - this doesn't stop the police & it shouldn't
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, you never want to encourage people to flee, or reward them for doing so.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 September 2009 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
It sucks that he's been in plain sight, but international extradition is imperfect. Dude played the system well enough to evade capture.
He planned his life around not being in a jurisdiction that would send him back to face time. It's not like he was just floating around LA for 30 years and then the DA decided to make an issue - he fled! Internationally!
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Monday, 28 September 2009 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i mean youre right jordan.
was this the first opportunity they had to arrest him since he fled i wonder
― call all destroyer, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
exactly - he clearly knew that he was in the wrong, he understood the severity & he made it a painstaking point of his life - to the small detriment of his ego & career - to make sure that he never actually served time for a crime that he knew was very, very fucked up
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
No. He owns a house in Switzerland, so he goes there all the time. It was the first time the US asked for him.
― svend, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
weird
― call all destroyer, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
from what i read it was the first time that he didn't get wind of plans to arrest him & so he didn't ditch his plan to go to switzerland
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
It was the first time the US asked for him.
Wiki says: "The United States had been seeking his arrest and extradition worldwide since 2005. While there had been a U.S. arrest warrant for him since 1978, an international arrest warrant was issued in 2005. The United States must make a formal extradition request within 40 days to have Polanski extradited and stand trial."
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 September 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Asked Switzerland specifically I meant.
― svend, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Alfred that sounds a bit like law for law's sake, doesn't it? I'm not actually all that opposed to what's happening to Polanski, I just don't see the point. In effective terms, not moral ones. Otoh (just to fudge some more) I read his autobiography a while and dude does love his teenage girls, so this may well be preventing future crimes of this type, or punishing several that've gone unseen
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Look, by any standard he's had a wretched life: Holocaust, his wife and unborn child getting disembowled. I'm sure he loves Emmanuelle Beart and their lovely girls.
Alfred that sounds a bit like law for law's sake, doesn't it?
This is redundant, no? There's an open investigation; prosecutors want to close it.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Eh maybe. He married Emmanuelle Beart? Hope he gets the chair
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think it's really doing anything for society (or whatever you want to call it) to punish him now except for trying to show you can't get away with this. but all these dumb articles say is he's already had a hard life and it's been such a long time and this is useless. but that could be true of so many people and no one writes articles ranting about how prosecutors are "harassing" them. he's not special. even if he did make chinatown.
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link
E Beart ref is puzzling me now, but yes she and her's are likeable I spose
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I am certain there are many who will harrumph that, following this arrest, justice was done at last. But Polanski is 76. To put him on trial or keep him in jail does not serve society in general or his victim in particular. Nor does it prove the doggedness and earnestness of the American legal system. If he weren't famous, I bet no one would bother with him at all.
^^^^ this.
it's also pretty shitty that the victim and her family will have to go through reliving the details all over again.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah well a non-famous person wouldn't have gotten tipped off throughout the years about apprehension efforts and thus been able to avoid capture for 20+ years
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link
If he weren't famous, I bet no one would bother with him at all.
Um, if he weren't famous, there is no way he would have gotten away with it for so long.
― akm, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
oh xpost
btw it's a real big fallacy imo that a non-famous person would've been forgotten about - i think shows on court tv & shit make it pretty apparent that cops & prosecutors forever hold grudges over unsolved cases & fugitives - the show FUGITIVE TASK FORCE on a&e makes it kind of apparent that the swat team & us govt will hunt your ass down over a minor parole violation let alone jumping ship like polanski did
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
and on top of that all, famous people & people with money have such an advantage in the legal system (and socially when it comes to stigma over crime) than non-famous people
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:48 (fourteen years ago) link
What a waste of fucking time, says someone currently in a court case cos his parole officer fucked up his address and went to the wrong place
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey really, isn't "he assaulted a really young girl" the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Polanski? Much as I like a few of his films it always has been for me
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link
As reagrds stigma. It took his autobiog for me to know about the Holocaust thing.
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
funny how all those cons on the megan's law website aren't rich & famous people
― (anal) (velko), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
the argument about "what good does it do prosecuting him now" seems sort of silly to me. he's not that much older than bernie madoff. old people can go to prison. (although i bet polanski won't actually do any time out of all this.) i know, the difference is that polanski's crime was years ago, but it's entirely his fault that there's been such a long gap.
― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Bernie Madoff was actively committing his crimes. That's kinda stupid.
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link
bullshit, that investment cash threw itself at him
― omar little, Monday, 28 September 2009 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link
uh-uh, madoff essentially turned himself in. his crimes were done. it's not like anyone was going to invest any money with him again. what's the point in prosecuting an old man?
― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Monday, 28 September 2009 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link
madoff has suffered enough, he can't even visit wall street anymore
― (anal) (velko), Monday, 28 September 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahahaha I agree actually, don't see one xp
― Niles Caulder, Monday, 28 September 2009 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link
forget it jake it's wall street
― deus ex lawnmower (latebloomer), Monday, 28 September 2009 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link
he didn't even get to attend an ivy league school, the pain and suffering far outweighs his crime
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 September 2009 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link
j0rdan otm in this thread.
― deej, Monday, 28 September 2009 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link
No doubt Polanski could have settled this one way or another earlier had he not, you know, plead guilty (to a much lesser charge than what was originally filed) and fled the country. Because once he did that, how could any prosecutor possibly shrug and say, "eh, what's in the past is in the past?" That's some red flag shit, and what kind of precedent would it set to let such a public figure off the hook for no good reason?
What would he be coming back to the U.S. for, exactly? His sentencing? Jail time? I can't imagine this just simply picks up where he left it off. Taking into account all the stuff surrounding this case for the past three decades, the best scenario would probably be some sort of retrial, and he could take his chances with a jury rather than that (late) crazy judge. Maybe Gov. Arnold would commute his sentence. Either way, I can imagine Polanski coming out ahead in the appeals process, one way or another. But win or not in the end, an asterisk will always be affixed to his name.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 September 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
woah easy. he didn't do no steroids, buddy.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 28 September 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
could he have still made chinatown if he HADNT sodomized a 13 yr old? im not so sure
― deej, Monday, 28 September 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
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― "apostrophe" is not Latin for "watch out for the S" (reddening), Monday, 28 September 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
This whole case, this whole argument is so not at all as interesting as The Tenant. Great movie. Go see it.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 28 September 2009 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Frédéric Mitterrand, the French culture minister, said the arrest was proof of the "frightening" side of America.
"In the same way as there is a generous America which we love, there is also a certain kind of America which is frightening, and it is this America which has now shown us its face," he said.
― history mayne, Monday, 28 September 2009 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
there is also a certain kind of America which is frightening
yeah, it's called north america
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Monday, 28 September 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
In a few months Interpol will bust Mitterand while feeding Camembert to a fifteen-year-old boy in a stable.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
The age of consent for being fed cheese by an older man is fourteen in France, IIRC.
― I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 28 September 2009 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Memories.
There is no way Polanski will be extradited. The French don't want it, and they will twist whichever arms necessary.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 28 September 2009 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The age of consent for being fed cheese by an older man is fourteen in France, IIRC
not true, although there is no age limit if you do it at home with your family during meals.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Monday, 28 September 2009 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link