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the tabloids certainly got excited about the NY top. "A MOCKING REFERENCE TO 9/11" said many. and, er, the sunday her4ld.

the newsdesk next to me

what, all one of them? :)

as for the virgins ... i thought it was round here that someone posted a vastly amusing "72 virgins 'bitterly disappointed'" headline after the failed bombings last week. wherever it was, it made me laff.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

I believe young people today wear the names of places emblazened on their apparel.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

'72 Virgins Call for Peace, Fingerbang'

N_RQ, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea! xpost

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

'72 Virgins Call for Peace, Fingerbang'

-- N_RQ (bl0cke...), July 27th, 2005 3:18 PM. (later)

Who's Fingerbang? Any relation to Fingermouse?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

That's tweeing the tone.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I have got one from Sociedad.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Yaffi lifts a finger...

fingerbang was the boyband formed by cartman in southpark.


koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

I still don't get it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Photo of 'Bombers' has been Doctored... http://strangeisnotafruit.blogs.com/my_weblog/2005/07/big_newsphoto_o.html

...according to a random blogger.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

HE'S A GHOSTIE!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I love conspiracy theorists, especially ones who believe that running a grainy JPEG through an "Edge Detect" filter counts as "analysis".

From elsewhere on that site, and about the July 7th bombers:

It's beyond doubt that these four Muslims were framed. They were most likely hired as MI6 spies, sent to Pakistan and then brought back and told they were to take part in an important exercise to test national security. Give them the rucksacks, get them on the trains and then detonate the bombs remotely.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I thought the bloke's arm was bent at the elbow.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

The funniest conspiracy claim on that website has to be a quote from a Guardian article that appeared on July 9th. It's about a website that claimed responsibility for the bombs, and where it is hosted:

Website that carried al-Qaida claim has connections to Bush family

The server in Houston has intriguing connections. Everyone's Internet was founded by brothers Robert and Roy Marsh in 1998 and by 2002 had an income of more than $30m (now about £17m).

Renowned for his charitable work, Roy Marsh counts among his friends President George Bush's former sister-in-law, Sharon Bush, and the president's navy secretary.

(the headline is from the conspiracy website, the rest of the post a quote from the Grauniad)

It's funny because my former employers - a tiny web-retailing company - host their websites on that company's servers! I just thought we were using a rather cheap hosting supplier - I didn't realise we must have been best friends with the Bush family too!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Hello,

I am the 'random blogger' to which you allude above. My site is www.strangeisnotafruit.blogs.com , firstly thank you for stopping by. The story regarding the odd looking CCTV footage is in fact an interesting case study but not the sum total of evidence showing that the London Bombings were an inside job(far from it). You may also be interested to note that the picture you mention can be found, in identical form as presented on my site, from all mainstream media websites as well official government sites. It may well be an optical illusion though on further study the bending elbow theory is actually highly implausible.


Nevertheless I am not a big fan of grainy picture evidence myself and am not a fan of conspiracy theories either.....accept the ones that are true ;0)

I hope that you will stop by again and review the data on my site, I welcome constructive feedback and only wish to know the truth and expose the liars.


Thanks for your time,

Kind regards


Phil

Philip Howe, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

I took a quick look and may easily have been wrong (and I don't have fantastic eyesight) but I would like it if The Bending Elbow Theory were to become as famous as, say, the Grassy Knoll.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

xpost

You are completely mad.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

I have considered removing the doctored photo article from my site as I have a pet hate for grainy Jpeg conspiracy evidence myself, however of all the photographic evidence of any case I have ever studied before, this one picture strikes me as the most ominous and frankly surreal. If his elbow were above the bar you would expect to see atleast some space seperating both the railing and the darker area-his jacket/arm, in fact there is no space and even if his arm is bent, which I think it is, still the railing ough not to be visible in the way that it is.

For all intents and purposes you are probably loooking at an edited picture. For more on this story go to www.breakfornews.com , they have run a more indepth expose on the doctored photo.

Please stop by my site again, If you want to hear real questions being asked in regards to the London Bomings and other such evils I asure you you will find them on my site. Hell, you may even find yourself asking questions you didn't even know existed. I'm a man of reason and logic, not a tin foil hat wearer.....in fact hats don't so me at all so being the vain guy I am I would sooner have my brain cooked and filled with instructions from the big eyed grays on who to kill when i reach chapter 5 of 'catcher in the rye' than wear a hat ;0)


Kind regards to all and especially anyone affected by the London Bombings,

Thanks for visiting,

Phil

Philip Howe, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

The "section of railing" near his elbow looks like a band around the sleeve (which is a pretty common feature of many jackets). If you look at his other arm there is a similar band, though much less is visible. It is also at a steeper angle, therefore not appearing to be a section of the rail. The elbow bands and railing do look similar, but it's a very grainy photo, and even on his left sleeve the angle looks just a bit off to be the railing. Also, as said above, you would have to go to some extra effort insert his arm *behind* the rail in a doctored photo.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm hardly a photoshop expert, but as far as I know, dropping somebody falsely intoa picture involves cutting around that person, and then sticking them in. Now to drop them in and cover up everything behind them except that bit of railing, you'd also need to have gone out of your way to trim around that railing and specify that this should be in front of the thing you'd added, not behind it.

And obviously that wouldn't have happened unless the person creating the forgery wanted it to be obvious that it wasn't real. So yeah, I think this theory is quite obviously bunk.

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Ah, sorry, people have already made that point, I should read more carefully.

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

It's probably far more likely that it's a shitty cheap CCTV camera and the screengrab was taken of a mix of two slightly different frames.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/visualsonic/blase/tubenote.jpg

Way to go Britons!


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I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Thursday, 28 July 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

DAC Clarke released a second picture of the Shepherd's Bush suspect on Wednesday.

The first picture had shown him at Westbourne Park Tube station wearing a short-sleeved dark blue England football shirt and dark trousers

uh oh! ban football!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

(x-post) How silly! How silly!

Since when did England have dark blue football shirts?

There was a very heavy police presence on the underground this morning. I was quite impressed.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

The busses were practically deserted this morning. It was nice, as I got the bus-driver seat all to myself right up to Waterloo. But still, rather strange.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

So do the police have reason to believe that Thursdays are likely target days?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah -- weirdly empty bus. is it just people being scared of thursdays?

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

"I never could get the hang of Thursdays..."

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

weird. i expected people to be put off next thursday, though.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

You drove the bus to Waterloo Kate?

xpost

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

According to the news, Thursday is the day, yes. Silly, really.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

By next Thursday it'll be August though, and al-Qaeda only strike when the day and month are both odd numbers, as any fule know.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

I drove the bus in the Pete sense of the phrase!

(Some young whippersnapper cut in front of me in the bus queue, even though there were only 5 people in it, but fortunately like most small hooligans he made a beeline for the back, so the choice seat was mine.)

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

lots of bags being searched at finsbury park this morning

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

w'happened at kings cross last night?

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

not a fan of conspiracy theories either.....accept the ones that are true

this typo above made me laugh.

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

that's no innocent typo, colette...

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

erm did something happen at kings cross last night?? i wasn't aware

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

("popstarz is tomorrow night i think.." etc)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Well spotted N_RQ !

Any of you here at all concerned that these supposed suicide bombers bought return train tickets, pay and display tickets, carried all their personal documentation on them. Hardly the way of a die hard suicide bomber is it, appears they expected to be going home.

Woner why they didn't blow up their bombs somewhere far more crowded, surely any trained Jihadist would of wanted to go for mass casualties right? why then a subway train carriage, sealed by steel and seperated from other carriages? don't very smart was it?

Do you find it odd that the media originally told us the explosives were of military design and later changed that to homemade?! quite a big leap don't you think? were the Forensic scientist's new hires do you suppose or perhaps drunk or hire on life?

How did the 'police' manage to decide, from the thoudands upon thousands of CCTV footage and thousands upon thousands of commutors who were the bombers and who were not?

In fact what actual Proof do you have there were any bombers at all?

What do you make of this eye witness claiming the bomb was UNDER the train and not, as suggested, in a rucksack or being carried and/or supervised by an 'asian' man?

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2005/07/11/83e33146-09af-4421-b2f4-1779a86926f9.lpf

Questions questions questions. Never assume anything. It makes and ASS out of U and ME

Your friend,


Philip Howe, Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Your friend,

You're nuts

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

you seem to know an awful lot about the mindset of suicide bombers.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Hardly the way of a die hard suicide bomber is it, appears they expected to be going home.

If they weren't expecting to die then that's extraordinary naivety/delusion/arroganc for all four of them to not expect to be caught - unless that was also the intention.


Going back to the shooting, because a lot of people at the time thought it odd that someone involved in the bomb attempts would still be in the capital the next day, what exactly was the logic/intelligence the police were working from when pursuing de Menezes?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

If it's conspiracies you're looking for, perhaps someone can tell me why return train tickets cost about 10p more than single tickets on British trains.

Pick that one out of the back of the net!

Also, were they day return tickets or seven day return tickets, or perhaps even open returns, despite the increased cost? Because if they don't coincide with the alleged seven day parking ticket, I smell a rat.

2-0!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

you seem to know an awful lot about the mindset of suicide bombers.
-- toby (toby_insertmysurnameher...), July 28th, 2005 12:09 PM. (tsg20) (later)

not to mention the scientific credibilities of the media.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

I think the question on all our lips is:

Did they get a groupsave and get 4 tickets for the price of 2?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Huw Edwards hosts Questions of Security: A BBC News Special tonight at 10.35 on BBC1.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

last night = security alert at Kingsx from what I could make out, our Victoria line train stopped but they let no-one off. Of course, the bloke next to me was tutting and huffing as it was all making him late - the tosser

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Do you find it odd that the media originally told us the explosives were of military design and later changed that to homemade?! quite a big leap don't you think?

I love the way that when the media were reporting that the explosives were military-style, you jumped on it as proof that it was arranged by the government. Then, after the story changed, you, um, jumped on it as proof that it was arranged by the government.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)


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