― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:16 (twenty years ago) link
also, kung fu.
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:19 (twenty years ago) link
I still insist the multiple-smith thing looked way worse than anything in the first movie
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link
I agree on the effects thing; nothing in the first one looked bad at all! CG people are still not quite there. So I got more of a thrill from the sequences where actual people are doing the work more than the CG gang bang.
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link
what was up with that whole bomb in the building thing at the end there though? what the hell was that all about? anyone have any idea?
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:33 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link
this was a security system to protect the source of the Matrix from being accessed by The One. But Neo is able to access it after they manage to shut the power down for just long enough (with Trinity, Niobi and co. providing enough distraction). Presumably the Architect figured Neo would be able to access the source anyway so set up the meeting to tell him what was going to happen.
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
I was talking with somebody about this yesterday and had the realization that, in the film's context, this is a conflict between two very powerful systemic anomalies, and that the extent of their conflict putting a strain on the system itself to keep up doesn't seem quite so far-fetched in that sense.
(I still thought it looked k-stupid though.)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
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― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
Suddenly, a bunch of other HUGO WEAVINGS show up. TheyFIGHT to VIDEO GAME MUSIC. Despite all of the enormoushype, it is extremely clear when the scene switches intoCGI-mode. HUGO WEAVING Why are you using kung fu? Can't you jump inside us and delete us like in the last movie? Isn't that one of your super awesome powers? KEANU REEVES Nah, the only real new power I have is flight. HUGO WEAVING That sucks. KEANU REEVES Not as badly as my appearance when I do my little mid-air spin move with this pole.He fights and fights and fights and eventually gives up andflies away....
He fights and fights and fights and eventually gives up andflies away....
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
but still there was something about it that irked - perhaps just the predictability that you knew Uma was going to kill them all. whereas with Neo and 100 Smiths, he couldn't kill them and he realised he had to fly off - this was bemusing if not entirely unexpected
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
this isn't as bad as everyone says - he is so minimally stylised anyway that it's hardly belief shattering that it's clearly a CGI render
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link
rockist.
(j/k)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
It was supposed to be funny?
― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link
Ha ha, good point Ned. I think even the major detractors from the nu-Matrices will acknowledge that they're trying to do *something*, either with the CG or large-form story or expanding this tenaciously balanced conceit that worked well for one film into five more hours. Even the biggest Star Wars fans have trouble figuring out what the nu-Star Wars films are trying to do beyond shift merchandise.
And I say that as someone who still has a primal reaction to Jedi fights!
― rob geary (rgeary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
so otm it isn't even funny!
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:03 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
bah. I call bullshit on this. This is lucas' attempt to dodge or deflect criticism over how his movies finally came out.
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:03 (twenty years ago) link
Tracer i have mailed you, am unlikely to get there before 7.15 anyway so see you there.
thanks for that link btw Teeny. i watched bits of Matrix Reloaded again last night and I am still wondering who is that guy who glances forlornly at Neo as he is marched past Merovingien's table in the restaurant as Neo and co approach?
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
I can't give you my number because I haven't got one.
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
In short, the movie is something of a bull session until Zion's defenders strap themselves into their galumphing robo-battle machines and begin to rock and roll with the invading mindless metallic insect horde. There's a hint of Burroughsian grandeur to this cyborg-against-cyborg ballet mécanique and, at this point too, my notes began to resemble an undergraduate Burroughs imitation: BX cable squid spaghetti static electricity! Machine-gun machine-hell Armageddon!! Infernal orange and blue orgone-light tentacle vortex!!!
J Hoberman, Village Voice
The J-Hoba is the best film critic alive innit. I want his two recent books. Hardly anywhere stocks em but they all have that poindexter Anthony Lane
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:26 (twenty years ago) link