― dave q, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But there are ways, I mean as a polynontheist, the only thing I have hope/faith for/in are people - they disappoint me a lot, but I'm sure others get pissed off when the gods don't give them what they want...but this is not a discussion about religion,, more about class...
Having been bron into the under-uber-class, moved within the uppers of argentine class, intellectually/artistically cocksucked my way into the middle class and then decided I liked it better where I satrted out, I have to say that at least us working class'ers are honest - we tell you straight up we think things are shit (btw momus - i don't include you in this category, and I actually value a fair bit of yr argument here) even when we move between cultures ie patti smith escpaed new jersey working class life went via rimbaud and then back to suburban motherhood...
I don't think there's anything particularly bad momus with you not seeking out steelworkers...there is something wrong with automatically dismissing them without knowing any of them, and broad generalisations and the such, but if you want to hang out with artists...well ok, cool...
Diversity is interesting, it's at times exciting, but it's also incredibly banal - I live in a multi-cultural block of lfats and all our shit stinks.
― Queen G, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
John Peel: Well, I always hoped there'd be some kind of cross-fertilisation. I'd like people who listen to Radio 4 to listen to Radio 1 and vice versa. I don't think many do to be honest. The thing is, the Radio 1 programmes apparently have the highest number of listeners under 16, which is a source of great pleasure to me. If they start listening to Radio 4, that's good for Radio 4. We've always been told the average Radio 4 listener is about the age of 80.'
So some of those 80 year olds are tuning in to hear the Rechenzentrum session on Peel's Radio 1 show, then, after being drawn in by innocuous human interest stories on Home Truths? I think not. Rechenzentrum's world is full of the 'otherness' that Home Truths avoids like the plague.
Peel seems to be suggesting that, at around the age of 16, people might be interested in that otherness, but later they'll settle back into 'normality', which means reproducing themselves. So, in a life with seven decades in it, you might spend one decade toying with 'the extraordinary' (the world of art, of drugs, of dreams, 'perfumed garden'-style sex, lifestyle experiments) and the other six preoccupied with family matters, with repetition and reproduction and tradition. It's just a dismally conservative view of life.
― Momus, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mike hanle y, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
On another note (and somewhat playing devil's advocate), I'm sure you're finding Japan to be a country free of concerns such as family matters and tradition.
― Sean, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― minna, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Because my contributions to this thread are so important, I'm asking readers to mentally delete this sentence from my post.
― david h, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(also wasn't that the guy who tried to date ronan?)
As a gay man, I guess I'm glad I'll live a life that is different than the oft-travelled path of eveyone else... but I also am somewhat envious of the time-tested charms of marriage, family, etc. I think the family is ideally the foundation for you to build on, not a stone around your neck. Of course, the outcome depends on the decisions you make and the attitude you have.
Of couse, being gay means I get to play with other guy's dicks, which I have to admit is pretty cool.
Suzy: But surely saying this is saying exactly the same as what I said. If everyone is different, then that is normal, isn't it? (Sorry to be so contrary about this but still...) And yes, I am happy with where I am now, because it has made me content instead of sitting around and being depressed with my lot, and because I believe I have the drive and conviction to do whatever I want with my life whilst operating within within 'average' parameters. If you see what I mean.
― Bill, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Evangeline, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― anthony, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I have heard very few momus songs. I have only very recently heard of the guy. I was at the point where i was curious to see what he was about, so i downloaded TWO SONGS from YR OWN FUCKING WEBSITE for fucks sake. Also Anthony sent me one he wanted me to hear while this discussion was happening. I grew angry at the attitudes that were being presented and decided that I dont want to be supportive of someone who is blindly dismissive of people that are my friends and whom I love. Forgive me for having an emotional reaction. surely if you can dismiss the 95% as being useless, i can dismiss one little 'artist'
also I think that by removing themselves from contact with the general population and cultivating animosity, the intellectuals and artists are making the situation much worse. you have ended up preaching to the converted and give the stupidity gene which you fear much more evolutionary sway.
― Ron, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― adam, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― "this thread took an hour of my life and i want it baaaaaaaaack.", Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
And every 25 years they do it all over again (20 in Appalachia and Rotherham).
― suzy, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jess, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
'Cept buy copies of your novel. Which they apparently did not do...! Christ, this thread smells like ass.
― Dave, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Momus, do you want to know why you are not famous? Read this thread again - you only connect with Hoxton types.
― David, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'm believing the later.
Assholes.
― michael, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Last I checked, I hadn't published a novel for you to call a failure, or provided a surname here for your busy little fingers to google.
Did you learn to criticise Hoxton types from reading the NME or something? Are you nuanced enough to figure out that what I was saying about the vast majority of people was: unlike the people who run virtually everything they consume or take in, I don't hate their fucking guts? I just wonder why they don't demand better treatment generally and then take some decisive action to make it happen.
I'm proud to be part of the 95% of the people that do the loving, the fucking, the working and the living in my town.
― Ronan, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Michael Daddino, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Mind, to make that claim isn't saying much.
Momus? I'll give you twenty of my ordinary dollars for you to write a jungle jingle for the birth of my son next week. Come on. Twenty whole normal ordinary dollars or would you prefer to be paid in majick beans and Can albums?
ENOUGH. Said the King to the Jester. NOW WE DANCE!