I see your point about foregone conclusion btw, but yeah.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link
That's cos the Lost thread said SPOILERS in the title though Matt.
― JimD, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:10 (fifteen years ago) link
and not really a fair comparison anyway since michael is named in the credits in every episode before his appearance plus he appeared at comic con more than five or six months before season 4 to say he was going to be back.
it is pretty obvious jack was going to be back on, as you said, but i think the bothersome bit was knowing exactly in which episode he was going to turn up on.
― Roz, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link
^
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 15 June 2008 10:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Aye, would agree with that.
Really enjoyed this one a lot, though it did suffer for lack of Donna. Billie's cameo on the screen was exactly the same as when she turned up during that other one on the wall of the tardis. The mob mentality and paranoia worked really well as a greater source of fear than Lesley Sharp sitting talking to herself (I really like Lesley Sharp and hoped she might have been a companion way back in the day, when i assumed every part was going to go to Rusty-faves)
Were there missing bees in this one? I keep forgetting to try and look for references to this.
― ailsa, Sunday, 15 June 2008 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I quite liked lack of Donna - without his ally the doctor seemed more in danger?
― nari, Sunday, 15 June 2008 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, I thought it was important that Donna wasn't there in terms of the storyline - one of her strengths seems to be the ability to connect with people and calm them down and she'd had been able to convince the rest of the travellers to trust the doctor, no doubt about - but I just like having her around and missed her when she wasn't there.
― ailsa, Sunday, 15 June 2008 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah that and they're giving the actor a bit of a break. Looks like the next one will be all Donna and very little Doctor.
I think that unlike her first appearance in the Christmas special, Donna's actually been kind of underwritten as a character. It's helped a lot because it's allowed Tate to shape the character for herself, and bounce off Tennant in her own way and the chemistry between the two actors is very very good.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 June 2008 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link
If you watch any of the 'Big Question' clips on the BBC Who site, you can tell Tennant and Tate get on amazingly well IRL, which must help loads.
― chap, Sunday, 15 June 2008 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Tennant seems to develop a rapport with everyone. Either he's just like that or it's put on.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 15 June 2008 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
He's just like that.
― ailsa, Sunday, 15 June 2008 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
^_^
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 15 June 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Certainly seems so from the (admittedly Tennant-filmed) video diaries on the box sets--seems a very likeable chap, to be honest.
― James Morrison, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
He is.
― ailsa, Sunday, 15 June 2008 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
You know him, ailsa?
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 June 2008 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link
husband used to go to school with him and their families are very good friends.
― ailsa, Monday, 16 June 2008 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link
...you'll understand, I hope, that I'm not saying much more on here being how we're all google-friendly and that.
― ailsa, Monday, 16 June 2008 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, no worries. Nice to hear it's all very genuine in an industry in which so many people are not.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 June 2008 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Say, does anybody have a copy of "Destiny of the Doctors" or know where I could acquire one?
http://homepages.bw.edu/~jcurtis/Destiny_of_the_Doctors.jpg
― kingfish, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 05:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I was looking for one of those a few weeks ago! No joy though.
Actually, I didn't try underdogs or similar, might be worth a look.
― JimD, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 09:18 (fifteen years ago) link
ok, just found it on mininova.
― JimD, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 09:20 (fifteen years ago) link
What is it?
― James Morrison, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Doctor Who - The PC Game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_of_the_Doctors
― JimD, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 09:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Really?
Holy shit, I just found it. I must have been searching for the wrong title.
― kingfish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 07:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Enjoyed this episode lots - don't think there's been an episode yet this series I disliked significantly, oh except The Doctor's Daughter which just seems more and more of a stinker compared to everything else. Les Sharp was ace, as was Tennant. Bit bored of the lack of imagination shown with supporting characters tho - how about a few non-English accents sometime at least?
Was this the first episode EVER to not feature a single shot of the TARDIS?
― blueski, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
how about a few non-English accents sometime at least?
But presumably they're all speaking a space langauge anyway with the TARDIS translating, so they may as well all be brits. What I'd like is some shiny futuristic jumpsuits instead of everyone just wearing C21st clothes.
― chap, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
TARDIS translation system = well racist
i was thinking about the clothes too, mainly because the son was so emogothy. pretty sure that kind of thing would've been wiped out in the Time War.
― blueski, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
But the emogoths would've been safe coz they were all crying together in a big basement.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I used to be really annoyed about the clothes thing (like in the first Ecclestone series when they're on the TV-broadcasting space station and everyone's dressed like 2005 UK. They just keep doing it, though, and I've made my peace with it, because the alternative probably would be horrible, even-more-dated-looking shiny jumpsuits.
― James Morrison, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:44 (fifteen years ago) link
No, but it's the first since Genesis of the Daleks.
I guess loads of Pertwee era stuff was probably tardis-free, given that he was permanently earthbound. I've not seen much of it though, so I don't know for sure.
― JimD, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the TARDIS was usually there in the background, with Pertwee messing around and trying to make it work, and he'd often leap into it to get some bit of tech or other, if I remember right.
― James Morrison, Thursday, 19 June 2008 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
ahaha I downloaded a few of the new episodes from bittorrent since it's hard to catch it on US TV, and people actually make English language subtitles for it! Good times.
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 21 June 2008 04:20 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not just the closed captioning on BBC1, is it?
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 21 June 2008 05:12 (fifteen years ago) link
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― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE NOT ALL PILING INTO HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS
SUCH AN AWES EPISODE AND NEXT WEK HOLY OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Can someone explain?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link
fine. i guess i'll have to register over at g@llifrey...
― Gukbe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Explain which bit?
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link
also I don't want to mention anything about next week's in case people are avoiding the trailers but OH MY GOD.
I just watched it. YES echoing all OMG-ness!!
― Roz, Sunday, 22 June 2008 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm never paying proper attention during the trailers so I don't get that omg-ed up. Except at what sounded a lot like laughter which was pretty wtf and exciting. Tonight's ep felt a bit superfluous tbh, as well as feeling like a rehash of stuff from last year's finale. But as a long drawn-out intro to the next couple of weeks it had its moments I guess.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 22 June 2008 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I suppose the return of Bad Wolf at the end. Is there meant to be more significance than "Rose is back"?
― Gukbe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link
And why did Billie Piper have that horrible lisp? Sounded like she'd just had braces put on her teeth.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 22 June 2008 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, weird eh? She sounded more chav than ever.
Tonight's ep felt a bit superfluous tbh
Exploring Donna's character. Utterly necessary imo.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 22 June 2008 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link
In fact Martha should have had such an episode.
Nah, this was just filler. As a set up for the next couple of eps, sure, maybe it was necessary. But then it felt like it had resolved all its own problems by the end, so I don't really expect any of tonight's events to affect the finale(s) particuarly directly.
Also...
SPOILER! (maybe?)
...I was a bit troubled by the huge torchwood presence in the trailer for next week. Haven't watched more than 2 eps of TW ever, and don't really want to have to catch up with it all just so I can understand the end of this series...
― JimD, Sunday, 22 June 2008 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link
no return of sally sparrow, no respect
― ken c, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:09 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe she was ringing the cloister bell
― Gukbe, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link
great episode, but they're perverting the true function of the cloister bell, which is to warn viewers of the impending appearance of tegan.
― f. hazel, Sunday, 22 June 2008 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link