Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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EVERTON are revelling in the confirmation of a highest ever Premiership finish and entry to the qualifying round of next season's Champions League. It's the first time the Toffees have matched their last top four season of 1987/88, which itself came twelve months after Howard Kendall's side won the title.

The Merseysiders have equalled their highest ever points tally in a Premiership season, and have two games to add to the 61 points already bagged. But David Moyes' boys have lost their last three in a row on the road.

The Goodison Park club have already lost twice to the Gunners this season - adding a 3-1 fourth round Carling Cup defeat at Highbury to the home Premiership loss, making a disappointing aggregate over the two games of 2-7. Everton's only Premiership victory at Highbury and only maximum in 17 visits to the famous north London venue was 1-2 on 20 January 1996.

Viewing figures for Dr Who are at their highest level since 1977, when Everton lost the League Cup to Aston Villa in a replay, shortly before Ken McNaught switched allegiances to the claret and blue second city high-flyers.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, so it was a dream, it's really some time in December and there's still 20 odd games to play, right?

sweet Jesus

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm feeling for Mike!

A lot of record-breaking stats being clocked up at his team's expense :(

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK FUCK FUCK I wish I'd taken Pistone and Weir out of my Fantasy League Team.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

-14pts!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Um... you don't have Weir, and Pistone scored -1.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! I only just checked the score - after a season of sweating every minute of every game I took the night off. Just shows what happens when they haven't got me willing them on. Good job goal difference had no part to play in proceedings.

That's 2-14 for the season vs Arsenal. S'about right.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Looking on the bright side, if there is one - perhaps if one uses those lenses Kubrick had made for Barry Lyndon - EFC's previous heaviest defeat was 4-10 vs Nicholson's peerless Spurs in 58-59. Within a couple of seasons Everton were starting to close on Tottenham and by 62-63 we'd surpassed them. I mean, it looks like an unbridgable gulf in class and, y'know, it is but 4-5 years down the line...

If only Liverpool had been the opposition at Highbury tonight, bringing their Turf Moor or St Mary's form with them (which was approx the level of Everton's ineptitude) - Bolton would now be 5th.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamie - different league, sadly. How did Pistone only get -1? And how do I still not understand the rules of this game after two seasons?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I had forgotten about this match. What a poor result for Everton.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

and a poor result for the premiership, if a champions league representative can get beat 7-0 by a team thats already thrashed them this season

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

to be fair, i think arsenal's thrashings of everton had more to do with *timing* than a gulf in quality (there *is* a gulf in quality, but it was made luck bigger because arsenal played everton at a time when they were in form, and everton were either low on confidence and resigned to a pummelling, or hungover from success).

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for god's sake Liverpool played Arsenal on SUNDAY!

And didn't lose 7-0.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope this bodes well for arsenal next year

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ronan, are you arguing that the liverpool v everton debate should hinge on who performed better against arsenal?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

as in, not just these 2 games, but the run of form arsenal have been in

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No, just arguing that the hypothetical situation of Liverpool losing 7-0 last night to Arsenal is a bit ridiculous given Liverpool just played Arsenal 3 days ago!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's telling though - there's an implicit belief that Liverpool could NEVER lose 7-0, to anyone. Does anyone NOT feel that there is some sort of 'truth' to that?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact when was the last time Liverpool lost by three goals? In any competition. Are Arsenal the first team to score 3 against them this season?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think we should be too hard on Mike for being ridiculous, he's obviously in a state of shock. He has immersed himself in work to ease the pain, otherwise he'd probably be joining in some more.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Liverpool lost 0:4 to ManU in 2003 (after Sami was daftly sent off in the 4th minute).

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 12 May 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think too much conclusion really can be drawn based on this one result alone.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 12 May 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

When Skies Are Grey described the rather tragic attempts at drumming up a singalong amongst the travelling Toffees last night ("You're not champions any more" and "4-0 and you're still not singing"); the match seemed to essentially be a non-contact pre-season kind of affair, and if we don't get stuck in against Arsenal in Rolls-Royce mode, things like this will happen. I've no doubt they could beat us in a multitude of circumstances with just about any permutation of their best 18-20 players, but, prior to this season, our matches have been very close (1-1 and 1-2 [Henry pen] last season; 2-1, 1-2 the season before).

I don't think Ronan read what I said above. Liverpool, playing like they have on occasion this season away from home, would've been thrashed out of sight last night too. Perhaps not by seven, unless we lent you Richard Wright. Clearly the second half on Sunday was one of Liverpool's better away league performances. But, as we now all know, Rafa's Reds only bother turning up when the opposition is of a certain class. Hence the irrefutable truth of the league table.

It's amazing how many people want to talk about the football with me today. I guess it's just like rubbernecking at a car crash; I've done it myself, unable to resist asking the Forest fan at Roche what he thought of the previous Saturday's 1-8 reverse vs ManYoo. "Fuck off" is what he thought of it.

Arsenal v Everton: 11-1.
Man U v Arsenal: 6-2.
Man U v Everton: 0-1.

Funny old game, eh?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(He's being quite perky, considering.)

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The League Mangers' League Association have taken sides:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4553807.stm

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Moyes deserves the award for being the funniest manager in the league, his comic timing is impeccable

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah he deserves it. Mourinho was so mouthy.

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anybody else read about former diminutive Everton psycho Mark Ward getting caught in a multi-million pound cocaine bust last week. Blimey!

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Moyes for England?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Celtic shurely?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Then we lost Wayne Rooney to Manchester United,"

hardly 'lost'

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"Then we lost James Beattie from Southampton."

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Ward, people!

Shame Hansen didn't interview him last night on that show about ex pros.

'What are yooo doing now Mark?
'Running a multi-million crack cocaine ring in Bootle.'
'Oh.'

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot about that programme. Poor footballers.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The end credits were the best part, with Hanson striding enigmatically down the Anfield turf.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Good luck to Liverpool FC and both their supporters for a tremendous achievement.

(I think Milan will win 4-0.)

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

They only have two supporters? I thought they were a Big Club? I'll be supporting them vigorously tonight.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah but spare a thought for the Liverpool fans who had to put up with so many of us (inc. the media) writing off their team against Juve and Chelsea, only to wish them all the best for tonight. I'd be annoyed as hell about that if I was a Red!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Overall, I think both clubs have reason to be pleased with their repsective seasons.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 26 May 2005 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

They did it for Dioufy.

― Masked Gazza, Thursday, 26 May 2005 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

repsective? respective.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 26 May 2005 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

Igor has been "released". :(

Meanwhile, in 'just a bit of fun' news: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N149058050609-0855.htm

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Grobelaar should sue.

Meanwhile it looks as if they're gonna be allowed to defend the trophy after all, somehow. Anyone unhappy about this can at least console themselves with the inevitability of them crashing out against Benfica in the second round.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you expand on that, Steve? What's the latest trophy-defending news?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Spoke to my dad about the whole, miserable affair for the first time last night. He felt sorry for the Liverpool fans at halftime - to go all that way, spend all that money - "That stadium's in the desert, y'know - about 30 miles from town. There's nothing there." I loved the fact that it was the paucity of local amenities that piqued his concern for their plight at watching their team get stuffed. "I wanted them to get something out of the second half. But not that." "It's taken the shine off our season, hasn't it, Dad?" "Er...yeah. Yeah, it has really." He sounded so sad. "I couldn't watch the homecoming rubbish on the telly. The [Daily] Post has been full of nothing but for weeks. I'm sick of it."

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the latest trophy-defending news?

The decision is made tomorrow apparently but papers seem very optimistic.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You should tell him about your earhole.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Liverpool should've been allowed to defend the UEFA Cup in 2001-02 instead of playing in the Champions' League. Houll only wasted that extra cash, didn't he?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Igor has been "released". :(

Source?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the day:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4613695.stm

Will UEFA harsh Cabbage's buzz?

I'm looking forward to a Liverpool-Everton final next year, to be played in Wrexham as a special treat.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 10 June 2005 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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