― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link
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― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
haha - at first I read this as Wallace Shawn, which is even funnier. kinda.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I do think this is the first movie where I was genuinely amused by the "action-movie-one-liners" in a way that didn't seem as if I was appreciating them for ironic or camp value. they were just funny and cheesy and great. not so great that I can remember any of them right now though.
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Its a cop out because they didn't show the theft. if its the ordinary part of a heist sequence.. well make it EXTRAordinary. the screenwriter's couldn't think of an interesting way to do it, so they decided that the interesting way to do it would be to not show it. I say thats a cop out.
Not a totally unsastifying cop out because the movie moves from good scene (rooftop swinging and shootout), slight lull in action while team waits in van, to good scene (parachuting stuff) that seems more exciting because of previous lull. But it was a missed opportunity that I as a audience member might have liked to see. Of course, I seem to be in the minority on that point.
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
i liked the shorthand of not showing the heist. it was great at keeping the tension up as the audience is waiting around w/ the IMF crew, not knowing exactly what's going on inside. I thought that it was one of the moments of economy in flick, since we didn't need to seen more heisty stuff(the Vatican took care of that), and as i mentioned, the tension was kept just by helplessly waiting outside.
some of the things that pissed me off was usual Action Movie Stupidity(i.e. a defib that took 30 secs to charge, the team apparently not having the ability to close a huey door, using a defib on your head i accept, using 3-phase 220V power lines, less so, etc)
The chopper chase thru a field of windmills was a great setpiece.
you can tell when tom is Acting becuase he tries very, VERY hard to turn on the "intense."
i was happy that the asian chick didn't have to be Stock Asian Chick.
billy crudup looks weird w/ short hair.
they did the Collateral thing of occasionally switching to green-tinged DV whenever something Dramatic or Actiony was about to happen. Lots of off-center, semi-shakey extreme close-ups, too.
Anybody get a "Escape from NY" vibe of the hero w/ ticking bomb in his head that can only be deactivated with two paddles injecting a charge?
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
I liked it a lot, but it felt endless at times because everything was telegraphed so far ahead, and some of the action pieces could have been shorter. I wish action directors would chop a few minutes off of each setpiece, you really wouldn't notice it, but the movies would be paced so much better.
The team was awesome, Seymour Hoffman was awesome, Cruise was about as good as he always is.
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link
MI:3 gadgets >>>> anything Bond has worked with recently.
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gear (gear), Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link
he's good at it though! it's funny, the crazier and more publically-reviled the guy has gotten the more i've been enjoying his performances.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
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― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link
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― gear (gear), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Its still a cop-out though. You haven't exactly refuted that point, you're just calling it by a different name. As an in-the-moment audience member I went right along with the whole thing. No doubt about it, it was well done. It was only afterwards, when discussing it that it really bugged me.
x-post in MI3 i think its more like 2-5 minutes of a heist that wasn't shown.
and i think O12 is mostly a movie about watching good looking people be charming and stylish. and it works on that level. as a heist movie.. not so much.
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Action Movie Audience goes to see Action Movie to see Action Movie Shit. Action Movie Director decides to pass up perfectly good opportunity to show Audience some Action Movie Shit in order to show... less Action Movie Shit. Its not a matter of seeing everything that takes place during the time period. Its about seeing every Action Moment that Action Movie Star gets involved in.
Its not a cop-out because someone was afraid (what does making an action movie have to do with courage?) to put it in there, its a cop-out because someone was too lazy/unimaginative/unskilled to put it in there.
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
How are the moments of satisfaction mutually exclusive? Instead of seeing the heist, we get the Asian woman and Raskolnikov praying and Ving Rhams being Ving Rhames, plus the aforementioned juke.
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
And the moments of satisfaction are mutually exclusive because the present moment of satisfaction is derived from the absence of the other scene. You could still have everthing that is shown in the movie, there should just be a scene before that scene showing the Heist.
― brontosaur (brontosaur), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
in Europe! with lasers! and Cherry Jones! and meta-joeks!
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm36321250802778.jpg
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