as opposed to being in jail, which is a totally safe environment
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously when did daniels' wife nag, they had a clintonesque agreement & he reneged & is now doing his penance which he seemed totally a-ok with despite residual sadness of y'know a marriage breaking up
― goth casual, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
xp Shakey - it was made clear that he had protection from Avon while in jail.
― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
since she's pretty much disappeared after mid-Season 3, mostly what I remember is from Season 1 and 2 where she continually pushed him to get ahead in the department. they're relationship wasn't as strained as Keema and Cheryl's but it didn't seem particularly loving to me
it was made clear that he had protection from Avon while in jail.
lolz yeah that worked out real well
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
basically she put her son's life in the hands of murderous, unscrupulous people, so that she could be a rich mother-hen in the background - putting all the risk on him and none of it on her, while she reaped the benefits.
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway i mostly agree with shakey on details yet am not sympathetic to his argument cause very little of this is pertinent to the main thrust of the show, i mean, i ended up fast forwarding all the kima/cheryl scenes after awhile & missed nothing important that i could tell
― goth casual, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - I'm sure Avon and Brianna were totally thinking, "Hey, our trusted business partner is totally gonna betray us and kill a member of our own family."
― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno shakey, the show is careful to set it up so the "monstrousness" is built into the system -- asking her son to do his duty so the whole organization doesn't collapse, it looks virtuous within that, is the point. d'angelo (the angel! fuxake!) still has a residual real moral sense.
― goole, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
most of the show is about "falling on your sword" in the service of preserving the status quo.
― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Holy shit, so true.
― Adventures of Dog Boy and Frank Sobotka (B.L.A.M.), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
does the watch/mobile phone mms code make any sense?
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the show is careful to set it up so the "monstrousness" is built into the system
yeah these are both true, and it is great writing that showcases the characters' ambiguity against this backdrop... even so, I have problems with the whole resignation/"forget it Jake, its Chinatown" POV and am still inclined to hold characters' actions against them when a) they're motivations are highly questionable and self-serving and b) the resulting suffering is too horrible to be acceptable. This show is very, very bleak and in a way defies the viewer to judge its characters by constantly shifting the blame away from any given individual and instead onto the institution or system they find themselves in. I have issues with this. Institutions are built by people, run by individuals - for them to function and not become total nightmares, lines have to be drawn and people need to be held accountable. Otherwise you end up with... Baltimore (or Chinatown lolz)
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Forget it Shakey, this is America.
― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
heh
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought her issues with Kima were pretty justified!
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, September 8, 2009 5:52 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i know we've moved on, but this! i love kima, but she's kind of an asshole as a girlfriend.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I kinda didn't understand why they were together at all
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
it's all setup for the "these bitches are no joke" strip club scene
― goth casual, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
xp oh I think you understand.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
finished season 4 last night. Easily the best season - couldn't care less about the politics shit though, kinda wish it had just been all about the kids. Actually I kinda wish the whole series was about kids (cops are boring)
Favorite line of whole series: "You know who got the sweetest pussy and the fattest asses? Midgets, nigga"
I heart you, Method Man
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
you spent ~50 hrs watching a show that goes into minute & exacting detail about a profession you find boring. congratulations!
― goth casual, Friday, 11 September 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
no I spent 50 hours watching "THE BEST SHOW EVER" (tm) according to many ILXOrs
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
it was an okay show. I'd say its about as good as the movie Traffic.
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
for Shakey:http://pixiestixkidspix.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/cookie-bite-web.jpg
― 51 active users (sarahel), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
mm yummy
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
you get a whole one once you finish season 5!
― 51 active users (sarahel), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.skitch.com/20090911-cnjdk55p9m2t6g1jkey3m6qump.jpg
― cozwn, Friday, 11 September 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
the wire may or may not be best show ever but it is certainly one of the most immersive tv (or general filmic) experiences you can have. the things it does well are almost totally related to procedure & the day-to-day minutiae of very particular worlds. if you're not interested in these i can't fathom getting through more than a handful of eps.
― goth casual, Friday, 11 September 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
the things it does well are almost totally related to procedure & the day-to-day minutiae of very particular worlds
^^^none of this applies to traffic btw
"good" doesn't apply to traffic either.
― EDB, Friday, 11 September 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
otm
― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Benicio del toro was very good-looking in traffic.
― 51 active users (sarahel), Friday, 11 September 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I really hated "Traffic", so fuck that comparison.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 11 September 2009 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Traffic was hilarious. Traffic and The Departed are the funniest US adaptations. The UK and HK versions were not as funny.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 11 September 2009 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i liked Traffic. didn't know there wa a UK version tho! hhmmmm...
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 11 September 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I give a thumb up to all movies about rich teenagers on hard drugs.
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Friday, 11 September 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Benicio del toro was very good-looking in traffic
mmm so sepia-y
― goth casual, Friday, 11 September 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah glad I'm not the only person who thought Departed was a comedy. running in-joke with my wife is to randomly shout "are you a cawp?!" at each other
― Blanket McCulkin (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 September 2009 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
The Departed would have been much better if it was just the parts with Alec Baldwin and Marky Mark in it.
― 51 active users (sarahel), Friday, 11 September 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Six-part miniseries from the 80s. Spelled with a "k".
― Young Scott Young (sic), Saturday, 12 September 2009 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link
leaving work i passed sonja sohn on the street
― am0n, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
ws for the ages
― mark cl, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
at farmers market i saw "santangelo"
― steamed hams (harbl), Sunday, 27 September 2009 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link
My sons (25 and 27) still steadfastly refuse to watch The Wire because...their parents are into it.We shoulda shut up about it, rather than getting son #2 season 1 for xmas. We're considering paying them to watch it.
― Beth Parker, Sunday, 27 September 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
just started watching this and only about 5 episodes in to season 1, not about to read a 2000+ post thread and don't want spoilers but...
I lol'd hard at the dealin drugs is just like playin chess analogy, really? also the quality seemed to go down a bit after the pilot, and the show's main trick seems to be humanizing the bad guys while taking the good guys down a notch...can't wait for the big plot twists or whatever that I'm sure are coming
appreciate the realism but lol at every payphone being in pristine condition, no doubt thanks to the tireless efforts of verizon to keep this country connected
looking forward to watching the rest of these 5 seasons
― 囧 (dyao), Monday, 16 November 2009 08:17 (fourteen years ago) link
chess analogy doesn't really hit hard until the end of season 4 imo
― jØrdån (omar little), Monday, 16 November 2009 08:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I was lolling more at what a cliche it was, and the straightfaced way in which wallace & the other dude were taking it...like "oh so the pawn...can become a queen..." like jeez come on, can you be any more obvious
― 囧 (dyao), Monday, 16 November 2009 08:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm with you, dyao. I'm surprised everyone seems to love that scene (I saw it mentioned in a lot of articles around the time of the final season), to me it isn't one of the great moments of the show or anything.
― Jouster, Monday, 16 November 2009 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I was totally underwhelmed by season 1. Stick with it.
― I am flesh and blood. You are software and circuitry. (chap), Monday, 16 November 2009 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link
to be fair that's some pretty profound shit to hear if you're a 16 year old drug dealer
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 16 November 2009 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link
^^see that's the thing; I like how the show in general doesn't underestimate the savviness of the drug dealers, I really liked the scene where Wallace points out Hamilton wasn't a prez, but that scene really felt like the writers talking down to their characters
― 囧 (dyao), Monday, 16 November 2009 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link