Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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I was so bored with the game last night, I muted the TV and span some Miles Davis. Man, that cat can blow.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 28 April 2005 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Curious.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 29 April 2005 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bobfox, did you realise that 'Johnny Todd' (track 6 on disc 2 of 'A Tree With Roots' is the Z-Cars/Everton song?)

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 30 April 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was browsing through "The Swarming Streets, (Twentieth-Century Literary Representations of London)", ed. Lawrence Phillips, last night & in the chapter entitled "Shades of the Eighties: The Colour Of Memory" by one J0e Br00ker I found:

"It never announces the precise dates of its action, but various circumstantial details let us pin it at about 1987. In fact I once lent it to a friend, an Everton fan, who agreed that the implied status of Everton in the Football League at one point in the narrative confirmed this with some precision."

Everton 1-0 Liverpool

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Mooro - no, I have not noticed that, on the CD!

Congratulations to Liverpool FC and their supporters on a tremendous achievement.

― the bobfox, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

..and (Rafael) Beneathus they stayed.

The first time since 1965 we've finished ahead of the Kopites without having to actually win the league - so this, this is for all those running-out-of-fizz seasons when we were both short of the title pace but the bastards hauled us in anyway. 1974-75, when we lost at home to Carlisle United on the run-in; 1977-78, when we outscored everyone else in the top-flight but stuttered in the spring and had you'll-be-rubbish-without-Keegan shoved back in our face by a blond Glaswegian with an incessantly-obstructive backside; 1992-93, when Souness's lot were dreadful but we got a hint of what life in the newfangled Premiership would be like by being, ultimately, slightly worse; 2002-03: four defeats in the last five, including that shocker of an Easter Saturday Goodison derby, and all the Kroxteth Kid's work was undone.

I nearly opened the Lanson in the fridge but I'll save that for Istanbul.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(I expect this thread to reach the 1000-mark around the time we lose on away goals to Ham-Kam of Norway in the CL qualifier either side of a 1-4 league reverse at the JJB.)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I nearly opened the Lanson in the fridge but I'll save that for Istanbul.

You're going, are you? ;)

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Sunday, 8 May 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been using my 'earbuds' this morning. I like them, but I still think the treble is a bit much for me. Maybe people should stop using cymbals, or maybe I should get a minidisc player with a treble control, now that they can't give the bloody things away for... toffee.

Congratulations to Everton FC and all their supporter on a tremendous achievement

Are you 'going to Istanbul'? Or are you staying here? (That is in code.)

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 9 May 2005 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I probably am 'going to Istanbul' but it rather depends on some unanswered queries I have with 'the AC Milan manager'.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 9 May 2005 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, right. Good job it's not Jellybean, eh?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 9 May 2005 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wanted to do what PJ Miller did, until I saw that he had done it. I still think I will try to do it, though, bigger than what he did.

CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERTON FC AND ALL THEIR SUPPORTERS ON A TREMENDOUS ACHIEVEMENT.

Also, my one has a plural, in it, though perhaps his singular supporter was deliberate.

Premiership team of the season?

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It was on purpose, yes. My idea of a little joke.

I'm going to vote for whoever stays up as Premiership team of the season, unless it's grotty old Crystal Palace.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I joshed with the ManYoo-supporting freelancer today - "See you in the third qualifying round!"* He seemed disbelieving - "Surely we enter at a more advanced stage than...than you?"

It reminded me of that possibly apocryphal tale regarding Laurence of Felt, aghast at being stranded in the Glastonbury mud - "But I thought there'd be little bungalows for the pop stars."

(* - I still won't really believe this until the draw is made in the summer and we're in it; there's still this lurking fear that it'll somehow be taken away from us again).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It's called 'the tricky two-legged tie against unheralded eastern European opposition'

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember when the pinefox couldn't do italics and now he's mastered bold type! Everton qualify for the Champions League and the pinefox has got to grips with modern technology. The world has gone totally mad...

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

EVERTON are revelling in the confirmation of a highest ever Premiership finish and entry to the qualifying round of next season's Champions League. It's the first time the Toffees have matched their last top four season of 1987/88, which itself came twelve months after Howard Kendall's side won the title.

The Merseysiders have equalled their highest ever points tally in a Premiership season, and have two games to add to the 61 points already bagged. But David Moyes' boys have lost their last three in a row on the road.

The Goodison Park club have already lost twice to the Gunners this season - adding a 3-1 fourth round Carling Cup defeat at Highbury to the home Premiership loss, making a disappointing aggregate over the two games of 2-7. Everton's only Premiership victory at Highbury and only maximum in 17 visits to the famous north London venue was 1-2 on 20 January 1996.

Viewing figures for Dr Who are at their highest level since 1977, when Everton lost the League Cup to Aston Villa in a replay, shortly before Ken McNaught switched allegiances to the claret and blue second city high-flyers.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, so it was a dream, it's really some time in December and there's still 20 odd games to play, right?

sweet Jesus

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm feeling for Mike!

A lot of record-breaking stats being clocked up at his team's expense :(

― Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK FUCK FUCK I wish I'd taken Pistone and Weir out of my Fantasy League Team.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

-14pts!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Um... you don't have Weir, and Pistone scored -1.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! I only just checked the score - after a season of sweating every minute of every game I took the night off. Just shows what happens when they haven't got me willing them on. Good job goal difference had no part to play in proceedings.

That's 2-14 for the season vs Arsenal. S'about right.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Looking on the bright side, if there is one - perhaps if one uses those lenses Kubrick had made for Barry Lyndon - EFC's previous heaviest defeat was 4-10 vs Nicholson's peerless Spurs in 58-59. Within a couple of seasons Everton were starting to close on Tottenham and by 62-63 we'd surpassed them. I mean, it looks like an unbridgable gulf in class and, y'know, it is but 4-5 years down the line...

If only Liverpool had been the opposition at Highbury tonight, bringing their Turf Moor or St Mary's form with them (which was approx the level of Everton's ineptitude) - Bolton would now be 5th.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamie - different league, sadly. How did Pistone only get -1? And how do I still not understand the rules of this game after two seasons?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I had forgotten about this match. What a poor result for Everton.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

and a poor result for the premiership, if a champions league representative can get beat 7-0 by a team thats already thrashed them this season

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

to be fair, i think arsenal's thrashings of everton had more to do with *timing* than a gulf in quality (there *is* a gulf in quality, but it was made luck bigger because arsenal played everton at a time when they were in form, and everton were either low on confidence and resigned to a pummelling, or hungover from success).

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh for god's sake Liverpool played Arsenal on SUNDAY!

And didn't lose 7-0.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope this bodes well for arsenal next year

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ronan, are you arguing that the liverpool v everton debate should hinge on who performed better against arsenal?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

as in, not just these 2 games, but the run of form arsenal have been in

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No, just arguing that the hypothetical situation of Liverpool losing 7-0 last night to Arsenal is a bit ridiculous given Liverpool just played Arsenal 3 days ago!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's telling though - there's an implicit belief that Liverpool could NEVER lose 7-0, to anyone. Does anyone NOT feel that there is some sort of 'truth' to that?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact when was the last time Liverpool lost by three goals? In any competition. Are Arsenal the first team to score 3 against them this season?

― $V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think we should be too hard on Mike for being ridiculous, he's obviously in a state of shock. He has immersed himself in work to ease the pain, otherwise he'd probably be joining in some more.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Liverpool lost 0:4 to ManU in 2003 (after Sami was daftly sent off in the 4th minute).

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 12 May 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think too much conclusion really can be drawn based on this one result alone.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 12 May 2005 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

When Skies Are Grey described the rather tragic attempts at drumming up a singalong amongst the travelling Toffees last night ("You're not champions any more" and "4-0 and you're still not singing"); the match seemed to essentially be a non-contact pre-season kind of affair, and if we don't get stuck in against Arsenal in Rolls-Royce mode, things like this will happen. I've no doubt they could beat us in a multitude of circumstances with just about any permutation of their best 18-20 players, but, prior to this season, our matches have been very close (1-1 and 1-2 [Henry pen] last season; 2-1, 1-2 the season before).

I don't think Ronan read what I said above. Liverpool, playing like they have on occasion this season away from home, would've been thrashed out of sight last night too. Perhaps not by seven, unless we lent you Richard Wright. Clearly the second half on Sunday was one of Liverpool's better away league performances. But, as we now all know, Rafa's Reds only bother turning up when the opposition is of a certain class. Hence the irrefutable truth of the league table.

It's amazing how many people want to talk about the football with me today. I guess it's just like rubbernecking at a car crash; I've done it myself, unable to resist asking the Forest fan at Roche what he thought of the previous Saturday's 1-8 reverse vs ManYoo. "Fuck off" is what he thought of it.

Arsenal v Everton: 11-1.
Man U v Arsenal: 6-2.
Man U v Everton: 0-1.

Funny old game, eh?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(He's being quite perky, considering.)

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The League Mangers' League Association have taken sides:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/4553807.stm

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Moyes deserves the award for being the funniest manager in the league, his comic timing is impeccable

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah he deserves it. Mourinho was so mouthy.

― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anybody else read about former diminutive Everton psycho Mark Ward getting caught in a multi-million pound cocaine bust last week. Blimey!

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Moyes for England?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Celtic shurely?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Then we lost Wayne Rooney to Manchester United,"

hardly 'lost'

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"Then we lost James Beattie from Southampton."

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Ward, people!

Shame Hansen didn't interview him last night on that show about ex pros.

'What are yooo doing now Mark?
'Running a multi-million crack cocaine ring in Bootle.'
'Oh.'

― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot about that programme. Poor footballers.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

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