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That's true, tho vintage Letterman essentially did it a few times... I'd argue they shouldn't book the likes of Ari in the first place.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

morbius if you have someone as a GUEST on your show you can't quite call them a dick!!

Any of you see the episode w/ former NFL running back Robert Smith as the "guest"? Smith was promoting a book he (possibly co-)wrote about the dangers of hero worship, and JS was softballing him questions straight from the one-sheet as if he didn't read the book (or, as it seemed to me, had no interest in having Smith as a guest). Smith seemingly wanted to get in depth about the book's subject matter, but sounded just a bit pedantic when reiterating his thesis (which is the stock response re: "athletes shouldn't be heroes" Barkley's been offering since Smith was in Tuff Skins & headgear). After a few blah questions, Smith tried to call out JS on his not having read the book, which I think JS fessed up to. And the interview became VERY contentious - Smith acted like he got Stewart on something, and Stewart was just bemused as if it wasn't worth the effort to even engage in this cat & his self-important ponderous horsesense - it turned into an awkward posturing bout, wherein Stewart just played out the string until it was time for commercial. The "D" word wasn't said, but it was probably on the tongue.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Some randomish thoughts:

It almost seemed as though politicians (& folks tangentially involved in politics) used The Daily Show as a pulpit prior to the election because they were afraid / in awe of its supposed power, which Stewart at once both plausibly denied - in interview after interview where he'd offer the "this is a COMEDY show" line - and gleefully exploited (re: giving low & mid-level BS artists the business when they'd come on the show toeing the company line).

Now that the election's gone, it seems as though some of the show's supposed cred (which was probably overvalued prior to November) has been lost in a sort of "stock correction", and folks w/ political capital are happy to accomodate. The results of the election seemed to solidify & reinfornce the "it's just satire" stance of the show to its detriment - regardless of the stance of the folks invovled with the show (whether they felt they were exacting change or just making w/ the hyuck-hyucks), seeing Bush & the Republicans win the popular vote (& win on other fronts, like the gay-marriage / gay-union issue) had to have been humbling. The first few post-election shows (reporting on the results & the direct aftermath) seemed a lot more resigned and fatigued than the biting, scathing stuff that was offered in previous months.

In other words, the cat's out of the bag, declawed and neutered, and everyone that was afraid of it is ever-so-glad to make it purr and preen as they see fit.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

All of which, in some ways, makes the show more human and interesting. I doubt JS would have gotten cocky had Kerry won (cocky about his role in it, that is), especially considering how he pushed off responsibility for what happened to Crossfire. But JS's handwringing about how "democracy is coming to the Middle East" (i.e., "were they right all along?") is perhaps the most interesting thing on the show right now, watching him try very hard to remain honest.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

biggest poss fallacy = 'democracy' is coming to the middle east BECAUSE OF iraq

i guess that's neither here nor there but it gets my goat see

jk rowling, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

David your story about the running back is part of what gets under my skin a little bit. Stewart seems much more willing to rake mid-level slebs (and politicians) over the coals than he does the major players. The Kerry interview included. I hear what everyone's saying about how it's a comedy show, and that he's not supposed to be doing the work of a real journalist. But I don't think anyone would care so much about this show if that line weren't blurred from time to time. I'd like to see it blurred with, say, Israel's UN ambassador, or Dinesh D'Souza - both of whom got away with really outlandish statements - as with Posh Spice. Please do not interpret this as a desire to see anyone go easy on Posh Spice, mind.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah is he really going to lose anything by engaging ppl? i think a shot at besting him would make an appearance all the more appealing, really, i mean i imagine most of these guys are the type to back down from a genuine public debate. i'm obv talking more about d'souza types than say trent lotts or whathaveyou, ie ppl who truly have lots to lose by being made an ass of on television.

jkr, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart seems much more willing to rake mid-level slebs (and politicians) over the coals than he does the major players.

These days I get the sense that Stewart thinks these types of interviews are beneath him and the show, and as a result takes a contemptous and disinterested attitude towards the interviewees. Which would be okay if his interviews with the big fish weren't so disappointing, I guess.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the interviews were always the worst part of the show anyway

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

as i've said before, probably in this thread, js is a pretty bad interviewer.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Tracer - I was going to mention it (the mid-level v. hi-level guest handling) in my following post, but was sidetracked by my brane's wanderlust.

I don't want to say he's cowed by or in awe of these high-profile guests, but it seems the show's so intent on not presenting a bias (which is there, I think, despite what they claim) that stuff that should be called is left uncalled. (This has happened, to some degree, when he's had neo-conny folk on, though I don't mind it so much - he lets them have their say, primarily free of any slant or bias, allowing them to dig their own grave, & even shushes the crowd when the start groaning.) (Of course, he also shushes the crowd when they whoop it up for anyone w/ a pro-liberal stance.)

It's like he's protesting the SHOUT SHOUT antics of Crossfire by going to the opposite end of the press-show spectrum and just offering his show as a bully pulpit for bigwigs to offer their positions. Which, actually, I don't mind so much sometimes, as it actually allows me a chance to hear opinions & ideologies different from mine free from the "this is bad! protest NOW!" filter I usually learn about these things through.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

in that case there is a nice little berkley internetshow called conversations with history that you should check out.

really, i'd rather stewart not leave the interview process to 5 minute soundbite propaganda. making ppl expand on argue for & defend their opinions (NOTE this does not mean "SHOUT SHOUT" and never did before murdoch etc got their grubby hands in the biz) instead of just voicing them free of strife into the void is what political (and political satire obv equals political regardless of what stewarts gonna say) interviews are for. they also mean hgiher ratings.

ignore that, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Also now that I've seen the Fliescher interview, it wasn't bad at all. It's clear in these cases that JS is more interested in "what the hell are you thinking?" rather than just saying "you are wrong! so wrong!" which would, after all, be really dumb and boring.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, wasn't Jeff Gannon post-Fleischer?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"you are wrong! so wrong!"

Stewart has never been this dull or one-dimensional, or to use your words, dumb and boring, and no one here is asking him to be.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want him to conduct a dialogue with OR preach at wingnuts or Bushite tools. A waste of talent and time.

Stewart actually made showbiz celeb interviews watchable by his lack of respect for the template ... if the guest is in on it too (Paul Rudd), better still.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

What should he have done with Fleischer, then?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want him to conduct a dialogue with OR preach at wingnuts or Bushite tools. A waste of talent and time.

So you prefer a "hey we're all friends here" approach, where alarming lies go unremarked? Where has anyone suggested that Stewart "preach" by the way!!? I feel like you guys are talking to someone else, not on this thread. Is this why the American news media are such sycophantic brown-nosers, because tough questions are considered preaching or lecturing or god forbid "having an agenda"? I don't want Stewart to preach, and I don't think he'd be very good at preaching. He's a fool, and he has a special license to reveal the folly of his masters. He should use it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
If Comedy Central's Jon Stewart is the comic version of Peter Jennings or Brian Williams, Stephen Colbert promises to be the same for Bill O'Reilly and others like him.

"The Daily Show" regular will star each night in "The Colbert Report," likely starting in September. Comedy Central is revamping its schedule, recognizing that late-night programming is essentially prime time for its youthful audience.

"It's as if my character on `The Daily Show' got promoted," Colbert told The Associated Press.

He'll be a "very well-intentioned, poorly informed, high-status idiot, not unlike some people who have these shows in the real world," he said.

Besides lampooning O'Reilly, the king of the cable TV opinion shows, he's sending up people such as Sean Hannity, Joe Scarborough and Anderson Cooper, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050503/ap_en_tv/tv_comedy_colbert

Roll on September.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

may it do better than Crossballs, a show i liked.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing with Laura Bush was unbelievably filthy.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i love stephen colbert, i hope this is good

latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a mistake for the daily show anchorpeople to ever break character, even off-camera.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Stickling: Stewart is the only anchor, the others are correspondents.

I like Colbert's shtick in SMALL doses, and more in the taped stuff than the studio. He's on TDS too much already. Four half-hours a week? Not for me.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed. He's going to need to get his own posse to keep the camera off him for about 11 of the 19 minutes of the show.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bushrice04.org/images/condi8.jpg
Code Name: Ping Pong Ball

OMG, I thought I was going to need CPR.

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the image of dubya in some sort of bovine bukkake scenario had me hyperventilating.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Equine.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 5 May 2005 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH KATHLEEN TURNER YOU SICK BASTARDS

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously! That was one facelift too far.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

She was makin' Bea Arthur look like Princess Diana up there.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

she looks fine.

cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Too bad she's an insufferable hydra bitch.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
guess what!

tonight's guest is U.S. Senator Rick "The frothy mix of shit & lube that's sometimes the product of anal sex." Santorum!

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

do you think santorum is a savage love reader?

badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

no, but i wonder if his gay spokesguy is

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/

badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/santorumletter.jpg

badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

As if a schoolkid would ever be bored enough to google for Rick Santorum...

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

there's somethign fun about the website in lowercase arial/helvet below the opulent Senate logo

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking the same thing. it looks like it should be on a college student's resume!

badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

although i dunno if that's arial... it's a little more decorative. there's something else in the ms word font library that looks like that, but i forget the name.

badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

the scan res isn't high enough for me to tell.

the characters have the rounded look of lowercase arial.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Watched it tonight and I actually was pretty impressed by Santorum (considering I'd never seen him speak before). Stewart is a master of using irony and detachment to avoid a direct argument and although Santorum couldn't keep up with him when he did it he wasn't a total embarrassment. I couldn't help but notice the gigantic logical fallacies in Stewart's arguments with Santorum. Here are the bigger ones I remember.

Gay marriage and government.

Stewart kept asking why the government should get involved in marriage. While personal relationships are private and they really aren't anyone's business, marriages are a LEGAL INSTITUTION and to wonder what business the government has in legal institutions is to wonder why the government even exists at all.

"Can you legislate ideals?": This question is so dumb it almost doesn't even deserve mentioning. How does Stewart think civilized societies even function if nobody is restricted from doing anything they want? Does Stewart think the government should fund schools on sex education that will teach kids how to go about with their sexuality? Would he have a problem with a government school program that endorsed and encouraged homosexuality? Does he have a problem with legislating ideals he agrees with like that? The double standard is quite large. Only when his own ox is gored (in this case the government not putting homosexuality on a bar with heterosexuality legally) does he take offense at "legislating morality".

Homosexuality and raising children: "Wouldn't it be better if two wonderfully educated homosexuals raised a kid than if a kid is raised in a broken heterosexual home filled with drug addiction and violence?"

http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000593.php

"How can we say our culture was better fifty years ago when we treated black Americans horribly?!"

http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000664.php

Stewart is much smoother and plays the verbal sleight-of-hand better than Santorum but his arguments and logic won't hold up upon closer examination.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh right, but the logic of being okay with beer ads but wanting to crack down on Victoria's Secret is iron clad and respectable...

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

Would he have a problem with a government school program that endorsed and encouraged homosexuality?

WTF? how the fuck is this to be "endorsed?"

but conservative-libertarians-having-a-problem-with-Jon-Stewart shocker, etc.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

That was depressing. "I think you're a good dude..." FUCK you, Jon, and stop interviewing politicians. They are the enemy, and make you look dumb.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

I think Stewart knows he's out of his league with these kinds of people - he's always handling them w/kid gloves and when he does put across his point of view it's usually in as non-confrontational (and occasionally nonsensical) way as possible. I was impressed that he even pushed Santorum at all about ANYTHING, but what he should've done was point out that Santorum's hallowed "one man/one woman/children" ideal is a CONSTRUCT, and has no intrinsic higher value that sets it above any other form of child-rearing. there are so many societies and lifestyles that have not centered around that peculiarly Catholic "ideal" and they had babies and sustained themselves and created great works etc. Instead he took some weird tangents (segregation? wtf?)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I didnt even bother watching the interview last night because you know Jon was gonna play nice. I was kinda annoyed with some folks on the internet overreacting to that Bernie Goldberg interview a couple weeks ago when they debuted the new set. Like 'DAILY SHOW IS GOING AFTER PEOPLE NOW' yeah fucking right..

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

So I guess santorum is trying to come off a little kinder/gentler now that his re-election bid is shaky? Surely he wasn't on there just to plug his book?

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)


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