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ha, now it seems like i can get a connection within a foot or two of the router, but not across the other side of the room (still shows up as being connected, but doesn't work). bizarre.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, you could try forcing the router onto a different wireless channel, there maybe something causing interference. Is there another router with the same SSID in your block? You could try changing the SSID as well.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

just looked again, and it had lost my static ip address again; so i put that back, and nothing happened, so put in the DNS servers as ed suggested, and it's been working for 5 mins. only annoyance is that if i try to go to the router admin page it tells me that there's another admin logged in (presumably me on the other ip address a few mins ago, as the other machine is off).

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:17 (twenty years ago)

reboot the router

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:25 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i feel a bit superstitious about doing that! i'll do it once i've done everything essential...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

s there another router with the same SSID in your block?

how would i find this out? i'm pretty sure it must be something like that, as it seems like i'm fine except when i put the computer in one corner of the lounge (which is unfortunqtely where i usuqlly work!).

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:33 (twenty years ago)

When you set up your router did you change the name of the network (the SSID) to something unique?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 July 2006 10:34 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

20" core duo iMac purchased a month ago now incapable of staying up long enough to ask me what language I prefer the system reinstaller dvd to talk to me in

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

ouch

I'm relived that my battery isn't one of the recalled ones

― Ed (dali), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

did not feel that another lemon hardware issue was worth reviving the thread but I'm on hold for applecare and they just made me listen to "Ready Steady Go." I don't know what the hell the rest of this shit is but I think there was some barenaked ladies at the beginning of this ordeal and really honestly this is bar none the absolute worst hold music I've ever, ever had to deal with in my entire life of having my time wasted by waiting on understaffed CCs.

BTW the only reason I am ON HOLD is because the brilliant "Concierge" system completely fills up within hours of store opening at both Pentagon City and Clarendon. I have a hint for you fuckers, don't sell broken-ass CPUs if you can't hire enough techs to fix them. FFS.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I fully intend to be incredibly rude to any Genius Bar staff I'm forced to talk to that don't just take the box away and give me a new one with store credit for the price difference between wired and bluetooth peripherals.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

10.4.7. is a stinker.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 31 July 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

every upgrade with an odd third digit has been a complete horror, AFACT.

I'm not looking forward to hearing about this "restocking fee"

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

they are totally getting you back for slagging on them; BLACKLISTED

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

are they also totally getting me back for giving them thousands and thousands of dollars over the years? was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Serious question: do all your hardware problems happen with fairly recently purchased stuff? Bathtub curve?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

CAPTAIN SAVE AN-OS

― S-L-U-G (plsmith), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck the restocking fee bullshit. If they try to pull that on you, go home and e-mail the address I posted above. Someone from Executive Relations will get back to you in the next day and the Genius Bar/retail people can stick it.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've basically figured out that every single problem I have personally witnessed with OSX has involved:

1) yes, that vital odd-third-digit as mentioned above
2) ITUNES

The computer was wanky to begin with (a brand new out-of-the-box no programs added computer shouldn't be refusing to wake up from sleep?) but as soon as we opened ITUNES for the first time IT STARTED EATING ITSELF ALIVE WTF? I just laugh at it at this point, especially when it wouldn't even accept the system disks or open in safe mode anymore :D

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, guys I totally agree with you about iPhoto being a slow turd now!

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, I still have the version that tells me I should upgrade to the newest iLife. It's faster than that one, right?

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

yeah flickr + ringo punch iPhoto in its big stupid nuts

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

was waiting for you to show up and tell me something like how if I don't like listening to oakenfold over the phone I should just stay away from nextstep-based OSes

also: ho sanp!!!!

serious answer: Yes, I have definitely noticed an amazing increase in hardware failure with recent-er Apple products (by recent-er I mean last 3-4 years seeing rapid upswing in lemons and really manky systems incompatibility--we have a friend who went thru 3 of the latest iMacs before getting one that actually worked*)

xposts haha I told you about iPhoto!!

*ps if our replacement one breaks, Tom, you are NOT AUTHORIZED to get another one and instead we will harrass them for refunds and get something else because that is just not worth my tax dollars.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, hahaha that was pretty funny when it refused to open Terminal anymore, the look on your face was pretty priceless :D

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

pix plz

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Lou-Ferrigno---The-Incredible-Hulk-Photograph-C10052499.jpeg

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'd never buy another Apple product if not for OS X. I hate the branding, I hate Steve Jobs, I hate the customer service, I hate the Apple tax, I hate the idea that PLAIN GLOSSY WHITE is some kind of design masterstroke, I hate the fact that I've yet to get a computer from them that didn't fuck up in some way - the company as a whole and its consumer strategy gives me the creeps.

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.

Also, Aperture 1.1 is a giant, overpriced piece of shit. A complete waste of $149 for me - Lightroom is a little slower, but it's currently free and actually gets my white balance right every time.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

If Windows didn't get in my way/make everything more difficult, I'd abandon Apple in a heartbeat.

This is pretty much the most OTM thing on this, my favorite thread ever.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm convinced the problem is the laptop design/production? I've had Mac desktops forever and never had any physical problems. I had a beige G3 running for years past it's use, and I have one of the first single processor G5s and it's fine. Then I come here and hear nothing about complaints about portables.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

The laptops are the worst - let's not worry about heat and usability, so long as we can advertise that we're ONE INCH THICK, because all those two-inch thick laptops are so difficult to use.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

But I also had a Quicksilver G4 with a bad hard-drive (not really Apple's fault, but they tried to charge me $50 to talk to someone on the phone getting it replaced, asshats), my G5 tower had problems with sleeping and randomly turning itself off, and there were a lot of problems with the first iMac G5s.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the computer in question that refuses to even accept sys disks at this point is an iMac, not a laptop. My sometimes-refuses-to-wake-up also-it-ate-my-iPod laptop is preferable in performance.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/dell%20banger2.jpg
^ DELL

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha the butler

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

I love the dual-core Dell laptop my job gave me.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I should have just taken the box in for a replacement as soon as Terminal proved unable to launch
-- TOMBOT (tombo...), Today.

how can terminal fail when the os is on? that's bizarre

and tell me what is wrong with 10.4.7 because i just upgraded

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet ... my bouncy dashboard ball needed an upgrade, but it's been plain sailing since then. 12 days' uptime, and i think that's since i upgraded.

[touches wood] ... i've been very lucky with my apple hardware, i guess. i've had, what ... one powerbook 5300, one iMac DVSE, this here 12" G4 PowerBook, a first-gen iPod, a second-gen iPod and an iPod shuffle. the only one that isn't still working is the first iPod, and that's my fault for dropping it. yes: even the 5300 still works, 10 years since i bought it. and it's had a fucking ceiling collapse on it.

i'm tempting fate here, i know. perhaps i'm just stealing everyone else's apple karma. i dunno.

what i will say is that my PB5300 was one of the last they ever made (srsly: the fucker got phased out about a week after i took delivery). i've never been an early adopter [1] and p'raps that's the key.

or perhaps i'm just a jammy get.

[1] except with the iPod. and the shuffle. the latter, i have to admit, can display slightly shonkular behaviour at times, especially for something so bloody simple.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

there can't - can there? - be a difference in build quality between european and US machines? i mean, surely the chips are exactly the same? my PB5300, i think, was made in ireland and i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up". anyway, hmm. just a thought.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

i was assured that "the irish ones don't blow up"

Are you sure this wasn't a tired gag playing on Ireland's troubled history?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

aye, i've had no trouble with 10.4.7 ... yet

Zero trouble here too...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

No trouble with any of the 10.4s on Intel or the hardwrae, a US bought MBP, first of the non BTO 2.16Ghz machines. Apart from Powerbook G3 power supplies, I've never had a lemon. I know they're out there my brother's PBG4 display went phut and gareth's when phut somehow as well, but nothing has ever happened to me.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

Not to gloat or anything, but Tom, do sparks leap out of your fingers, do metal objects stick to you, has a genius ever suggested that you might be the problem that you are fundamentally incompatible with Apple products.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

(Hey, does anyone know when the next round of new hardware releases is likely to hit?)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

WWDC, August 7th

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

someone ought to use statistits to see what the likelyhood of all this awful shit happening to tom is...

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno what is "all this awful shit" since only the last three macs I've (we've) bought have had issues, and I treated my old powerbook like crap. Before that I had a turquoise 300mhz iBook that still runs, AFAIK, a handmedown black PB that had a monitor cable problem once, and an 8500 that worked like a charm.

I only got the 20" iMac because I figured it had been in production long enough that they ought to have worked out any major problems.

The rest of "all this awful shit" is pretty much OS X being 100% crappier than advertised. Shit, Ableton & Firefox run on Windows too, I'll just get a core duo ugly machine, at least they don't obfuscate the living shit out of their fucking directory structure and I CAN USE THE TAB KEY TO ENTER DATA INTO ALL FIELDS, TEXT OR OTHERWISE, WHEN I'M ON THE INTARNERT. HOLY SHIT LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE DO THAT, LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

LET'S INVENT A MOUSE WITH A NIPPLE ON IT INSTEAD.

First attempts prove unsuccessful:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1945000/images/_1949073_mouse_ear300.jpg

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, your powerbook didn't have any actual hardware related problems either, you just broke it. Two different things. So, really, you're talking about ONE "awful shit" occurring. Everything else that Jon is classifying as "awful shit" happening to you is--whoa, sit down, wait for it--actually just that you and he disagree on how you want your operating systems to work, not, like, anything actually bad has happened. He'll come around to your point of view in another year, considering he's already backed down/changed opinion on several OS/software-related things.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Jon still being unable to understand the difference between "iTunes is a shit program" and "awful shit happened to me" shocker.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

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