oh dear Lord. Would this be less toxic or even more toxic than those "Conservative T-shirts!@!!1" pop-ups?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Spoiler Spoiler SpoilerSpoiler Spoiler SpoilerVillians design a sound-wave machine that can make things explode, which is tested on a goat in a public ceremony. End Spoiler End SpoilerEnd Spoiler End Spoiler
I remember the novel having some entertaining set pieces, and the Epic cinema prose which praises American landscapes and industrial machinary is effectively visceral in doses. The most ineresting thing about it though is the fact that the villians are all defined as passive-aggressive types who used their emotions to manipulate people. This aspect, if adapted correctly may resonate massively with the emo backlash in the culture.
― theodore (herbert hebert), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
i love "sewer, gas, and electric." it starts out with a parody of the first scene of atlas shrugged. but everything's better when you add a mutant flying shark.
― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
Then I moved on to James Joyce and the Pogues or something, I forget.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link
I never went through a "Rand phase" because I read Anthem at age 14 and thought it was a poorly written, melodramatic pile of BS. (But I won 30 bucks from the Ayn Rand Institute for the essay I wrote about it.)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post)
Yeah, I can't imagine any 15 year old reading anything from Marx except the Communist Maniphesto.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Now that's how Rand makes in-roads in education. Every English class from seventh grade on had a poster for their essay contest. I never could bring myself to enter.
(I never had a Rand phase - I had an Orwell/Hemingway/pine-for-the-glorious-Spanish Republic phase. I call that phase "my teenage years.")
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
And Nietzsche had plenty of problem, mainly involving women. Either in his take on them("Everything Nietzsche ever knew about women was second-hand and third-rate" -Walter Kaufman) or his nutzoid sister who shacked up with a proto-nazi husband and put out a random blather of N's notes and called it "Will to Power."
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't remember Marxist boy's opinion on Kant, but I know he's read him and a ton of other philosophers. (He and another friend of mine are in a Facebook group called "Let the General Will Be Sovereign" where argue about Rousseau.)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Eppy (epp...) (webmail), Today 5:47 PM. (Eppy) (link)
EH?
I've only read half of Twilight of the Idols and am in the process of reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra but I wouldn't call him a political philosopher. He seems like more of a moral philosopher determined to tear down rationalist and Christian tradition
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Rush and Joy Division dude!
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Zwan (anthonyisrigh...), October 19th, 2006.
U&K.
(I have a friend who was required to read Anthem in hs FWIW. It is only since coming to the US that I've realized people actually think of AR as a serious philosopher on par with Nietzsche [whom I've never read]. Not to say it doesn't happen in Canada, just I never really noticed it so much. [I don't really think Peart did before anyone gets to that.] She's not without her merits, as extracurricular high school reading goes. Can't have been that much worse than Brave New World.)
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pork Cheops (willpie), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link
ha, i know what you mean, but yeah, that's unfair. lars is a humanist. he just doesn't like people very much. but dogville is really kind of an anti-anthem.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Re: LOWENDBRO & "mutally exclusivism," Nietzsche & Marxism can coexist quite easily if you follow the literature into the Nietzsche-influenced post-Marxists like Louis Althusser & Alain Badiou (the fucking MAN).
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link
http://common.swankmp.com/movie_titles/images/incredibles.jpg
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link
I bet this film totally blows, but in a non-entertaining manner. Rand was a crashing bore.
They should make a film based on that steve ditko objectivist superhero comic - Mr A, was it? That would be hilarious.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Also, it must be noted that Rand's influence is far more keenly felt on the Internet than it is IRL. Randians do love to post on message boards and blog threads.
― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― mh. (mike h.), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
zaxxon25, I totally agree with you. The Incredibles creaped me out.
WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY CRUSH EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE?!?! OMG, THERE'S NO WHERE FOR PEOPLE WITH TALLENT AND WILL TO GO. DAMN THE COMMON HERD! DAMN THE SOCIALISTS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!
Why do so many people identify with this movie?
― Coach Dave (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
I find the idea that these books are thrilling far more ridiculous than that they have anything in common with Nietzsche.
― this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/102306/ayn-rand.gif
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link