semi surreal casual racism - dud, or dud and it does yer fukcing head in a bit as well?

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Maybe this is an across-the-ocean thing but I can't see any hint of self-righteousness in Norman's post.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

What I really want to know is did she actually say "pak!s" with a clicking consonant?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think what bugs me about the example is that for subtle racism, its pretty obvious. I think that with discussions like these everyone rushes to identifiy them in the right and seems so eager to demonstrate how offended they would be at such a comment. Yet I think subtle racism is more intertwined in our politcal beliefs then we'd care to admit. I guess Norman's example was a step away from the typical racist strawman, but not far enough where it would challenge any typical ILXor. (Which wasn't his point, and is mainly a huge extrapolation on my part, but thats where I was coming from.)

bnw (bnw), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

I'd always say something to a person who made a racist comment, because to let it pass would a) make me very uncomfortable and angry and b) complicit. I'm reliving too much of my recent US trip here, where I had to shoot this sort of talk down every day because members of my family were engaging in it, and the same person brought me up 'everyone's equal' *not* racist. At least it wasn't passed on to me.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

I'd always say something to a person who made a racist comment, because to let it pass would a) make me very uncomfortable and angry and b) complicit

Eggs-ackley. Suzy -- didn't you mention the Isle of Man? That's even worse there. The reason the ferry is so slow is because you are travelling back in time to the pre-Windrush era. God. Never again.

Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

Meanwhile, I've by-and-large stopped saying stuff to people who make racist comments because I feel like I've been Black Ambassador To White People for pretty much my entire life and I'm really fucking tired of it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

(I just reread the previous and realized that that is a complete lie; I'm just nice about my correction rather than nasty. Also, if the racism is due to ignorance and not malice, does shunning the person who displays it teach them that what they're saying is wrong more effectively than disproving their words with your presence?)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

Much like I've felt like Sane Ambassador to the Insane?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, the serious answer to the ignorance/malice thing is, at least for me, to ask the person what they meant by what they said.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

Suzy, Dan´s making sense here. But I´ve got to say something now. Having read similar posts from you on other threads (from restaurants to music to God knows what else), the "prole" comment was absolutely typical and I´m sorry to say it – as much as I agree with you on many things (even this issue at base level) – you´re one hell of a snob.
Re. "I'm not likely to go, poor diddums, he didn't have the education or eye-opening moment or enough motivation to change because this is a very simple right/wrong issue."
You know bloody well that wasn´t what I was saying at all.
Call people on racism/bigotry of any kind – it needs doing and I´ll stand right by you, provided you´re not using that person´s screwed up logic as little more than a convenient peg to hang your perceived personal social/intellectual superiority upon.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 17 October 2003 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Since I don't actually consider myself better than anyone, that's a bit silly.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 17 October 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

mark -- richard wright makes the same arg. about mass literacy in American Hunger. any relation in ideas?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 18 October 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link

sterling no, i didn't know that

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 18 October 2003 05:52 (twenty years ago) link

its a real compelling section of the book, which is fantastic mainly. (he does come off a bit self-righteous, more and less justifiably at difft. times) abt. the difference between russia and america and methods partially being that ppl. from poverty and etc. can learn to read in america.

relates to some of gramsci's arguments in "americanism and fordism". also (obv) perry anderson's Imagined Communities.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 18 October 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
1) black staff member says she imagines recently broken-up white staff member with "a big black man"
2) this exchange is recounted in wider group
3) white temp says maybe male black temp has some friends who could hook white staff member up (ie with a big black man)
4) deathly silence

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

5) profit

blueski, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Can someone remind me what Roger's real name was? I have this fear that I might one day wind up writing/talking about his music without remembering which one is him.

nabisco, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link

DAD: There we go. The beginning of the end... points to menu items spelled out in Spanish
ME: What, you can't put second languages on an IHOP menu? Guess we had better print the whole thing in Cherokee.
DAD: What's going to have then? A picture of an omlette with UGH underneath it?

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Your dad should avoid cosmopolitan, globally oriented establishments like the International House of Pancakes.

nabisco, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

It's right there in the name and everything.

nabisco, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Cherokees hating omelettes is such an outdated stereotype

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Roger still posts here BTW. I bought his new(ish) band's album yesterday, it's pretty good

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link

what about that crazy Italian judge, who recently ruled that it was OK to incite hatred against the Roma, as he reckons they are all thieves?

The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

lol 'hong kong garden' on bbc beijing olympic coverage

DG, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

http://freep.com/uploads/images/2008/07/saggychart0709.jpg

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

lol at disorderly contact

what about wearing shorts with no draws

and what, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I want ZS to animate that graphic.

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

dude in graphic is son of
http://thingsgodtaughtme.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/mr-freeze.jpg

J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 July 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

lol 'hong kong garden' on bbc beijing olympic coverage

wait waht, lol

HI DERE, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Dude, they'll be breaking out "Mr Wu Is a Window Cleaner Now" by the time the games actually start.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^

yeah, that's a real OMGWTF post there!

Eisbaer, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

JOrdan, more like:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/TheBraxcave/DrManhattan.jpg

Which explains why he needs the boxers.

Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

MLS player explaining the on-field actions of another MLS player:

"He gets away with a lot of stuff because he's Blanco and he's from Mexico and he's a big name. But he can't do that stuff to any of my teammates.""

dan m, Thursday, 10 July 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

COMEDY!
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

With video! http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6953163&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

forksclovetofu, Friday, 11 July 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

that's got to be one of the stupidest stories I've ever heard. If the idiot commissioner and the judge don't know that that term has absolutely no racial ramifications, then they're fucking idiots.

Bill Magill, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

bogglin' at comparison of "black hole" to "jewing someone"

bernard snowy, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

I think this was posted on the Uncle Tom thread? At any rate, oh how I want to shake these guys.

HI DERE, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Price needs to learn the difference between a "black hole" and a "black a-hole"...the former is a figure of speech; the latter describes jerks like him.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Typical black reaction. You have to ask yourself - are these people REALLY that stupid. Unfortunately, the answer is yes, they REALLY are that stupid.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

What happened to Dallas? Did they hire refugees from New Orleans to run the city?

No wonder the song "God Bless Texas" is so popular. The state needs all the help it can get, from anyone, including the big boss.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

My goodness, it seems that Mr. Price needs sum edumacation vout the compression and densifications of stellar ojcectifacations. Go back to schoo; bozo and try this time to pass 5th grade science instead of making a career avout demonizing whitey

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, there's idiocy enough to go around for everyone on that link.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

It seems our Creator was very niggardly when handing out brains to Price and Jones.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Casual Anti-Semitism: Was eating at a local Indian spot recently and got to chatting with the owner (it was a slow afternoon for them). A really nice, funny guy. Talk of the upcoming US Elections. He: "Obama won't win. You know why? Because the Jews won't let him win." I didn't know what to say. It spilled out of his mouth as simply as if he had said, " You know why I own a restaurant? Because I like to serve food." Needless to say, I've found it impossible to go back.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

"You should all feel so famous for electing these Bozo's"

Their brothas elected them. But then what would you have excpected. These same jokers also fawn over Obama as if he were The New Messiah, coming to save the world.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Face it, the one's that got shipped over from Africa weren't the Albert Einsteins. Look at the gene pool in this country. They were living in the jungle with stone tools. The smart ones caught the slow ones and sent them over. They were selected for hard work. There are some smart "black" people, sure. But not the rule. More cross breeding will help.

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

John Wiley Price says dumb things a lot, but I still kind of like him. The worst part of his occasional misplaced outrage is the inevitable response from white talk radio hosts and columnists.

milo z, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

when barack obomba is president
this stuff will seem mild
get ready for war, white folks
the 3rd world is upon you

and what, Friday, 11 July 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

its really bizarre that two black guys in dallas would be so responsive to the possibility of racism in casual speech

max, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

After reading those comments I kind of can't wait for the inevitable white race riot.

HI DERE, Friday, 11 July 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link


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