Lights Out for Climate Change

Handcuff yourself to a protestor, just for a laugh.

Oh, there's all sorts of fabulous japes to be exercised. Probably not the worst way to guiltlessly hookup either. Might go along with a cricket set.

I might go and say hello this evening actually, on the way back from swimming.

Fancy A Protest

There's a pub just up the road from where they've pitched up.

Probably laughing all the way to the bank right now.

what a disaster for the recession

yes, I expect to see Matt DC and Michael Jones if I go

jones is much further west - you're probably thinking of pinefox

Pinefox is local? I wonder what he makes of this uprising.

so should i go and watch the madness unfold y/n (it is just down the road, pretty much)

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say hi to anyone I know.

do you know Monbiot?

No but this is a nice time to be looking through the news media because I see photos of plenty of people I know.

Also now is the time for ignorant comedy vitriol in the comment boxes, as if it ever isn't.

They cause more damage to the climate with all the toxic gas and crap coming out of their mouths...trouble is we have to pay for their benefit handouts

- Derek, Oliva (Valencia) Spain

Both anthropogenic climate change and the idea that we live in a representative democracy are hoaxes. Most people fall for these hoaxes because they want to believe in benign government and are too jaded to look at the facts which speak otherwise.

- Neil, London, London UK

Derek in Spain has to pay for benefits for people in the UK? Seems a bit harsh, no wonder he's upset.

i think he's just on holiday and at a loose end

He'll be an ex-pat. Here's a recent pic.
http://content6.flixster.com/skin/profile/10/84/29/10842944_profile_mbox_background.jpg

Red with anger, lying there fuming about lazy layabouts laying about.

4.40pm: Three local Liberal Democrat councillors have issued a statement about the Climate Camp.

We are appalled at the disturbance caused to local residence and amenities.

We hope that both the Protesters and Police alike act with respect for the local community.

Appalled! As far as I can make out, they are currently occupying a small patch of grass in the middle of a v. large field Y/N

Am about to verify

I would imagine that's exactly what they are doing. The bit they're likely to be camped in isn't exactly full of housing either.

Oh actually pictures suggest they might be camping over more of the heath than I'd previously though.

I wonder if there'll be a CLASH with Zippo's Circus, which is also occupying the heath right now.

Oh wow, no-one has mentioned the possibility of a police vs. protestors vs. clowns three-way bundle yet.

Greenwich Council has issued a statement that the protest is happening 100m outside it's boundary in the borough of Lewisham. Top quality buck passing there.

haha you go along as an amused spectator, you meet a uni friend within 30 seconds, pretty soon you're helping set up a marquis XD

hey - free festival! wonder what tomorrow will bring.

god i am illiterate

marquEE

anyway yeah let's save some goddamn climate

L-Jagz in holding a fellow student's tentpole shocker.

Greenwich Council has issued a statement that the protest is happening 100m outside it's boundary in the borough of Lewisham. Top quality buck passing there.

They should've held it in Crystal Palace - five boroughs border each other down here and none of them take responsibility for anything.

hurrah for Zippo's Eco-Circus

disappointed that they weren't setting up a marquis

I went up there last night (probably actually saw LJ and friends erecting a marquee without realising). Seemed pretty quiet at the time - they're pitched up on the noisiest bit of the heath though, right between two very big main roads.

Also between the Hare & Billet pub and the Blackheath Tea Hut, the latter will probably have its best week ever.

Why don't those scrounging clowns get proper jobs anyway?

a lot of clowns coming out of college now can't get jobs

Well I don't think it's right that the public should have to subsidize their floppy shoes. This is almost like Nazi Germany.

Though to be fair the clowns have done pioneering pro-environment work in carpooling.

The Mayor of Lewsiham asks 'Hooligans and Climate Campers - what's the difference?'

I somehow doubt the climate campers are going to leave the heath swathed in rubbish when they leave.

Annoying thing is, as a vote-courting mayor he's perfectly entitled to go "you don't have permission to be camping here, fuck off" but the hooliganism thing is just a really really lame cheap shot.

Am I right in thinking that this is the same site that the London Marathon starts from each year? Wonder how the levels of disturbance compare.

if you saw a guy all dressed in red, that was me. i took some pictures, but none of myself. see facebook for more details.

Haven't you got any other clothes?

this is actually a really enjoyable and eye-opening event

just like an orgy

what is the event?

http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/

now i sleep

we gonna talk about this

The next day at 10:30am we were assembled at the main gates in ‘Stop Airport Expansion’ t-shirts, ready to make our way to the airport to make our voices heard. A bus and tube ride later and 60 campers and local activists took over the main entrance to the airport with banners reading ‘The rich fly, the poor fry’ and ‘Stop Airport Expansion’ singing songs and hearing from those involved in preparing the action.

I would have punched anyone who made me miss a fucking pricey air flight because of a fucking flashmob, imo.

Also, reading that Mayor's blog:

And who do you think is going to have to pay to take the rubbish away, provide water and repair the Heath when they’ve gone? That’s right you and me – the taxpayers of Lewisham who were never asked and never agreed to the camp being here.

Thinking that that the approach of the Climate Change Campers uis wrong doesn’t mean you don’t care about the issue – but for me they are a distraction from the real task of changing how we behave and persuading ever more of our fellow citizens to change the way they behave too.

He kind of has a point. A lot of people *wont* see this as anything more than hippies making a mess on the lawn for no good reason. Apart from garnering attention, what's the aim/point of this specific camp, in terms of gaining actual footholds in climate change action?

Dont see the point of his parallel with the football fights though, wtf.

we've actually said we're gonna leave the heath in better condition than when it was found...people have actually done litter-picking duty over the whole heath, not just our corner of it...as for the grass, well, this is a good time of year, is all i'll say, and some have mooted grass seed. a load of fuss over a barely-damaged 'lawn' which is scuffed up and ruined daily by footballers, walkers and kite-flyers is of absolutely no comparable scale to the issues we're discussing

the mayor of lewisham is making a fuss precisely because it is his duty as civic arm of power to make a fuss, plain and simple, he is making a fuss because he has to

the aim/point of this specific camp is to raise awareness of direct actions and informed communities; it is to coordinate and organise a body of highly intelligent, educated and diverse thinkers, activists and agitators into a fully democratic and equal mini-utopia, both to give us a taste of climate-conscious, fair society, and to politicise the climate change movement through debate, discussion and resolution

that's about as good as i can do for now, but trust me, having been there, it's a damn sight better behaved/more organised/friendly than i ever suspected it would be. it was deeply engaging and inclusive. and sure there were hippies, but more than not had a degree, were doing a degree, or were otherwise highly intelligent, aware and active individuals

if he was drawing parallels with football fights he is simply evading the entire purpose of the camp. due to the fact that everyone present was reasonable and cooperative, events within the fence were almost freakishly efficient, and deeply tranquil, even in protest

Louis, any time elected officials trot out the old 'look what it costs to clean up' canard it's your duty to tell them your (council) taxes already paid for it, as they are taken in advance, so ner. Every adult Londoner pays for the Met as well, as a component of council tax, so ner to them as well.

> your (council) taxes already paid for it, as they are taken in advance

not sure i get the logic of this.

if something has had £x budgeted for it but ended up costing £x + y then the £y has to come from somewhere, so it has cost money.

and b) i pay my council tax monthly which might qualify as 'in advance' but not by much.

Or "rare earth minerals" in a melted Greenland.

This was an idea that struck me back in 2016 during Trump's first campaign, that the tendency-on-the-right to "accumulate enormous wealth by any means necessary" was an unethical (but likely effective) method of shoring up against the impending climate disaster(s); protecting oneself and one's cadre whilst not-giving-a-shit what happens to the rest of the population. A friend posited on Facebook a few days ago a similar sentiment.

The individual with whom I argued told me that the vast majority of climate denialists, like, "actually believe what they say", and to suppose that it's an act of double-speak is presuming too much. I responded that this did not contradict my idea, and I agreed with it, but that I theorised that the genesis of climate denialism, which so many have come to inexplicably accept as "the truth", may have come from bad actor sources and think tanks who knew the truth but chose profitable-accelerationism over prevention.

yes climate change is a classic case in agnotology, the study of the deliberate fostering of ignorance. its most classic case is the tobacco industry's funding of "scientists"

https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/04/climate-change-will-make-rice-toxic-say-researchers/

The environment doesn't recover when humans depopulate.

https://phys.org/news/2025-06-japan-rural-population-linked-ongoing.amp

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2025/7/5/end-is-near-will-kabul-become-first-big-city-without-water-by-2030

Xp this is more for an ecology thread than climate change but there are some good recent (and not so recent) studies that support the “Intermediate Disturbance Hypothesis” as applied to land management by humans, and indigenous populations in particular. “interesting” and biologically diverse “forest gardens” might exist for hundreds or even thousands of years where humans once managed them and where tall tree canopies would otherwise dominate.

One reason this is at issue rn - China, tragically taking cues from America/Yellowstone, has been relocating indigenous Tibetans from Jiuzhaigo Natl. Park because it has been wrongly presumed that their presence is disruptive to the landscape.

The “Intermediate Disturbance Hypothesis” in landscape ecology may help us connect these two facts. If people modify a landscape severely and frequently – for instance, turning a forest into a town or a monoculture farm – native diversity tends to decrease. On the other extreme, in a landscape with little or no disturbance, diverse patches will become uniform, and dominant species will tend to crowd out others. Moderate levels of disturbance, such as the inhabitants of Jiuzhaigou carried out through farming, herding, woodcutting and judicious use of fire, may enhance diversity. 

https://dialogue.earth/en/nature/11984-deep-history-in-western-china-reveals-how-humans-can-enhance-biodiversity/

That's interesting Deflator, will look.

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https://www.wired.com/story/the-first-planned-migration-of-an-entire-country-is-underway/

10000 ppl

a technical categorisation of it as a "country" seems a forced angle for the headlines tbh

Its an island in size but a country because of borders imo. Its people needed a deal and goodwill to migrate and have permission to attain citizenship elsewhere.

Minimising this -- which will be the first of many islands to be destroyed by climate change, and won't stop there in any case -- isn't it.

Much happens too, between writing and editing of crosswords. The clue “Greener energy source” wasn’t Lempel’s, and those politics aren’t hers, either. When Lempel submitted the puzzle, the original clue for CLEAN COAL read “Dubious term for a greener energy source.” Lempel had a back-and-forth with the editors, sending an e-mail explaining, “If you Google ‘clean coal,’ there seem to be alot of questions as to whether it’s actually clean. That’s why I used the qualifier and I wonder if it should stay in there.” The Times replied that Shortz “still finds the clue better as it is without any hedging.” After the puzzle ran, the response was so forceful that it led to that rarest of things, a crossword correction:

The clue for 47 Across in the Monday puzzle implied incorrectly that coal is a viable source of clean energy. While it is possible to capture and sequester some of the greenhouse gas emissions and other pollutants from coal- fired power plants, the technology has never been used on a large scale because of its high cost.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/the-hidden-politics-of-the-crossword-puzzle/

A small slice of good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/dec/11/economic-growth-no-longer-linked-to-carbon-emissions-in-most-of-the-world-study-finds

This is a p thoughtful piece.

"The reality is this: 1) We absolutely do have a choice because demand is politically, economically, and socially constructed, and 2) The choice between renewables and fossil fuels is a false binary, like telling a healthy person they must chose between losing an arm or a leg."

https://thelastfarm.substack.com/p/we-dont-need-any-more-renewables

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/feb/11/point-of-no-return-hothouse-earth-global-heating-climate-tipping-points

https://phys.org/news/2026-04-ecuador-tropical-rainforest-biodiversity-rebounds

https://phys.org/news/2026-04-ecuador-tropical-rainforest-biodiversity-rebounds.html#google_vignette

Rare bit of good news

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-how-declining-cloudiness-is-accelerating-global-warming/

OTOH..

Thousand a day are dying now.

A new peer-reviewed article estimates that a single day of extreme heat causes 3,400 excess deaths across India. Extreme heat events are especially bad for UP, Bihar, and Madhya Pradesh, since these states have underlying socioeconomic vulnerabilities. https://t.co/cBHeHe6Rsd pic.twitter.com/ITeFvKiRxY

— Malini Ranganathan (@maliniranga) May 28, 2026