defend the indefensible: sylvia plath

go write a shitty indie song about it

OH SNAPZ YOU GOT ME

got any more challops while you're here? we could make this "bug's thread of extremely challenging opinions"

we cd make it his defend the indefensible

fuck you people

pretty much how this is gonna break down: 1) people who know something about poetry think her craft is pretty f'in impressive 2) people who're trying to flex a very edgy pose think she SUCKS

She's totally self-obsessed...but it's the way she expresses herself that I love. She doesn't just tell you. She draws you a picture. I get that as a reader you're basically trapped in her head, seeing what she sees...but her use of language, symbolism, and the cadence of her poems...that's the appeal for me. I'm not in love with the fact that she was depressed.

and ego shmego. William Blake wrote his own bible. If poets just wanted to tell stories they'd write novels. There's almost an implicit 'me me' quality in writing poetry, because the form itself draws attention to the author as much to the subject matter.

I don't know what I'm trying to say. Carry on.

THE_BELL_JAR ok guys i'm going to stick my head in the oven and see why its not working 2 hours ago from web

THE_BELL_JAR @tedhughes i know u dont give a shit asshole but the oven isnt working anymore!! 2 hours ago from web

oh hai guys wanna know wat i think about sylvia plath btw?

go for it dude

nah fuck it

I think that might have been the funniest KBP post I've seen so far.

i've even reconsidered my dickens challops since yesterday, tbh

real life lol king boy pato

its really hard to know what the real challop is on a thread like this u no?

Hard Times is plenty fun darragh, I'm still a bit baffled at yr allergic reaction to it.

real life lol king boy pato
^middle line of my most recent KBP-related haiku btw

what are the first and third?

Thread has blown my mind.

we stealin this thread? my allergic reaction to hard times got me full marks in the leaving cert, cos i studied like gospel every challopy criticism of it. i guess that's what hating something with 'a passion' is.

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Yeah, well what they want is: facts.

here comes big hoos
aka the steendriver
mind completely blown

rockin accidental freeform there

a challop is just an unpopular fact, sheeple

here comes big hoos

John bringing the Finnegans Wake quotes.

do sheeples challop thru the fields i wonders

a challop is just
an unpopular fact, sheeple
or so you say, dude

Sheeples may safely graze.

For a thread of defending some of you sure seem to not nderstand the meaning of the word.

I have never met a single "goth teenage plath fan" type. In fact no one I knew was much into poetry at all.

I appreciated the visceralness of her lster work, and I find intrigue in the raked-over coals of her life, I admit. I most certainly don't adhere to the "omg ted was a bastard" line - in fact I'm a little the other way, I think Plath would have been pretty unbearable to live with, as was her way with the problems she had.

In "Birthday Letters" Hughes writes a poem about her I rather like called "Fever", which has a section that turns her whole vigorous drama on its head:

As I paused
Between your mouthful, I stared at the readings
On your dials. Your cry jammed so hard
Over into the red of catastrophe
Left no space for worse. And I thought
How sick is she? Is she exaggerating?
And I recoiled, just a little,
Just for balance, just for symmetry,
Into skeptical patience, a little.

Sorry for my typos, this computer's screwy and keeps freezing.

"a challop is just an unpopular fact" is a challop

like pink sprouts of truth
through the brittle winter snow:
the challops in bloom

do challops dream of
electric sheeple in the
panty vlog fuck world

""a challop is just an unpopular fact" is a challop" is a challop

nah KBP that's an unpopular fact

I will say I prefer Ted's work to Sylvia's. I have no idea of the currency of that opinion.

^^ u have a penis

how's ur 800m time hoos

they call me usain

Hughes' body of work is about 20 times bigger than Sylv's so there is an unfair advantage there but yeah Hawk in the Rain to Wodwo is still better and I say that having plenty of love for SP.

usain, usain,
ur just insane,
in the membrane.

my favorite plath anyway has always been "morning song" - I think the big problem with plath is she's the only poet of the modern age whose bio intersects so aggressively with the poetry. it's true too of lowell, and berryman, and the other (lesser imo) confessionals, but plath is like wilde to both her supporters & detractors: separating the poetry from the person, the content from the story, is something she has made very difficult. maybe as part of her poetic project but if I were going to make a semester of it I would argue not: that her focus in on craft, that content is almost an afterthought for her BUT like any (egocentric, reflection-obsessed) poet she leans toward content that will impress others. and "this is what it feels like to crave death with your eyes open"/"this is how the world looks from down here in my own personal pit" is/was stuff that people found riveting, and in which see found inspiration. but it's all afterthought, that bit - it's about the actual writing that people went gaga. "And now you try/your handful of notes/the clear vowels rise like balloons"? Anyone who's spent a few minutes in the company of a babbling infant, much more an infant for whom one has some personal feeling, feels the heft of that, the beauty. That sort of poetry is why people love her writing: the ability to communicate something with such almost aggressive clarity. imo obv

I will say I prefer Ted's work to Sylvia's. I have no idea of the currency of that opinion.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh, hoos

maybe I should just go write a shitty indie song about it tho

there was a young (wo)man name caster
who's genes made her (possibly) faster
at the end of the race
she had finished first place
and the other competitors hinted that (s)he had a cock

damn if people's are actually still using this thread i'm sorry, thought it had degenerated beyond use. where else can we party drunk tonite imo?

do challops dream of
electric sheeple in the
panty vlog fuck world

sadhu! sadhu!

I don't think she's the only one ... Anne Sexton is in the same camp, and to my knowledge are on the same level, reputation-wise.

AFAIK Sexton is way more firmly tied to the confessional thing by poetry critics than SP, and her rep is consequently a lot lower.

do people still dig sexton? last time my opinions on poetry had any currency she was in serious decline

oh, hoos

― horseshoe, Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:53 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

what i'm right here man