Turning On The Giant Faucet Of Bullshit - US Politics February 2025

That would piss me off more as an elected official I’d be daring them to try and gun me down

Dems probably need to avoid getting arrested if they are also trying to slow down Trump cabinet hearings and block debt ceiling increases.

What

What what?

Yep, better stick with decorum and following the rules, clearly working out really well in the fast track to the fascist takeover.

Dems probably need to avoid getting arrested if they are also trying to slow down Trump cabinet hearings and block debt ceiling increases.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, February 7, 2025 8:21 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a bad take. "they better be polite so that they can try to do things the polite way" like fuck no, make noise, get arrested, get people mobilized to stop this shit.

idk, maybe you're right, I'm not arguing for them to be "polite", but they do have some legit power to put the brakes on things in congress, and that would evaporate if they aren't physically present to use that power.

Here's Maxwell Frost responding to people asking him to get arrested on bsky

I resent the online-only “activists” that are telling me to go force my way through armed federal officers. Number one, know who the FUCK you’re talking to. I’ve been arrested multiple times for what I believe in. Do some googles before you comment some dumb shit.

a little more

Number two, we must be strategic. Republicans have a 2 SEAT majority. They’d love nothing more than a few progressive members of Congress being behind bars for days/weeks while fighting federal obstruction charges. Use your brain. If you’re mad at this post, just unfollow me 👍🏾 okay, back to work!

Coward.

Ugh, just depressing. Once again the Dems fall back to "the process" as if this is 1996 or something. Fucking shameful.

wtf dude

But they would be out on bail anyways so wtf

dunno, I can now clearly see a scenario now where they gleefully just jail dem congresspeople and keep them locked up

^^^^^^

I don't know the answer, but after eight years of watching Dems fail to do fucking anything, it's always frustrating to me to watch them fall back "let's just trust the process". It's why we're here.

GOP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
DEMS: Do some googles before you comment some dumb shit

it's never good enough is it

ha ha no it isn't

The original post: https://bsky.app/profile/maxwellfrost.bsky.social/post/3lhlzfk6xn22a

it's super easy to be a keyboard warrior

Fuck off with the condescension, some of us are sick of tweets and would like to see some meaningful action. This shit isn't hypothetical anymore.

I've mixed feelings, part of which is, yeah, I do think it's uncomfortable for me to demand that people get arrested while I eat my lunch.

Sorry, that wasn't cool. I'm just frustrated that people are just waiting for "the process" when we're well past that stage.

meaningful action is protesting right now and going to the agencies and demanding to be let in and then walking away if not

i don't see what getting arrested or forcing people to violence does right now--what goal would that accomplish? and like i said earlier they have likely thought about this be have decided now's not the time yet to get arrested

everything trump has done so far he is getting hosed in court.

the big touchpoint will be if he decides to ignore a court's order, which yes is coming and we need to be prepared for

that's the tipping point i would guess

getting videos like this more views by the general public is important, I think. I don't watch cable news at all these days, so I'm not sure what kind of coverage it gets; but it's not on cnn.com or anything. it is on huffpost

so, this is a coup. neither elon nor trump has any authority to make the cuts they are making. once the court orders start coming i do not believe they will abide by them. maybe i am wrong -- court orders have stopped some things already. but i think the doge stuff is central to his strategy to consolidate power and i don't think it will stop.

if you go into right wing world, all they are talking about is the waste and fraud doge has uncovered at USAID. this is where they want to keep the conversation. i am sure they will find all sorts of irregularities in the government books, but it isn't the point. this is going to be the dems' biggest messaging hurdle --- defending the integrity of the constitutional system without getting sucked into the whataboutism over this or that particular expense. budget cuts are one thing; this is another thing.

the cuts are too big to ignore. they want to defund a number of agencies and slash the federal work force

the USAID stuff is not gonna stick when they wanna fire half the FBI

Xp They find “irregularities” because they don’t know what they are looking at.

like measure out what the average person would think about and would be the bigger deal

"they funded condoms for Hamas" vs. "they fired half of the FBI"

Sure we can demand the Dems go to jail protesting.

Then of course we’ll yell at them when the Dems are in jail and can’t obstruct the nominations in Congress.

what is the procedural effect of say two Dem senators being arrested and held without bail on the confirmation process in the Senate?

getting arrested for protesting or civil disobedience (espec while being nonwhite) post Jan 20th 2025 does not mean the same thing it used to. "they would be out on bail anyways," you sure about that?

"i'm sick of talk, it's time for action! that's why i'm posting on the internet that someone else should do something!" come on now

I mean, these people are looking for a Reichstag fire they’re looking for a reason to arrest and murder Democrats

seems weird they'd wait for Democrats to take bold action instead of just manufacturing a bullshit pretext out of thin air

as if the option of these feckless fucking morons continuing to play by the rules set by these fascists is going to work.

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not sure about the arresting/murdering part, but i do think the idea is to continue to claim executive power until someone pushes back meaningfully. the thing about "meaningfully" is that since they've disregarded the constitution, physical force becomes more and more of a primary way to push back. not sure they want a reichstag fire so much as another jan 6, this time with the left (will anyone be surprised when it's asserted that antifa was behind it?) as the culprit, projected as a reverse image of 1/6/21, complete with lots of activists being thrown in jail, lots of televised hearings/committee investigations on what the left did and who was behind it, etc.

I am seeing a lot of folks online judging from the sidelines. There's a popular tweet about "why don't people just physically stop these dorks."

Hi office worker with kids at home and a mortgage, why aren't you getting down into it with Mr. Ex--Special Forces Blackwater guy?

People are terrified here, and scolds from the left asking them why they aren't building a burning barricade of desk chairs in the street is, well.

(Not that it's about my feewings particularly, just reporting, as we all are.)

also not to blow anyones mind but you dont have to be in DCto protest. much like posting tuff stuff on the internet, anyone can do it anytime anywhere

I wonder what would happen if someone quietly offered Trump a massive amount of untraceable cash to step down.

We’d have President Vance. Yay.

There'll need to be some Big Event to turn around a lot of ambivalent or indifferent Americans - for example, a failure to send out tax refunds, or social security payments being delayed... but for now, I think a lot of MAGA-adjacents are happy to watch the shitshow from the sidelines

For now I'm just watching developments, because all this is leading up to what the media will call a "Constitutional Crisis", which is simply code for Trump committing a raft of impeachable crimes amounting to a coup d'etat. My current self-assessment is that I'm not too old to protest in the streets, but I am too old to riot in the streets.

if you go into right wing world, all they are talking about is the waste and fraud doge has uncovered at USAID. this is where they want to keep the conversation. i am sure they will find all sorts of irregularities in the government books, but it isn't the point. this is going to be the dems' biggest messaging hurdle --- defending the integrity of the constitutional system without getting sucked into the whataboutism over this or that particular expense. budget cuts are one thing; this is another thing.

Someone I went to high school with posted on Facebook: "Elon is attacking corruption, and corruption is attacking Elon. Couldn't be clearer. The side you choose reveals your character."

This is someone I was once good friends with, but haven't spoken to in 25 years. He was vaguely liberal in high school (as most of my friends were) but not especially political. (I do recall that his parents were kind of racist, though.) The first time I saw him posting on FB about politics was in 2016, when he cheered on Bernie Sanders -- but then he quickly turned MAGA during the first Trump term. From what I can tell, most of it is motivated by anti-establishment energy. It's why he hated Hillary in the 2016 primaries and why he's convinced himself that USAID is evil in 2025. In this view, Trump and Musk are taking bold action and draining the swamp, just like they promised.

"Elon is attacking corruption, and corruption is attacking Elon"

I just heard that the WH is claiming Musk will be 'self-policing' his conflicts of interest, i.e. all the gov't contracts and taxpayer dollars he's been syphoning from the coffers

It feels like the plan here is: fuck shit up until protesting ratchets up and Dem congresspeople act in opposition, declare martial law and send in the military/militia, dissolve Congress, consolidate absolute power “temporarily” (which power is never then relinquished). Maybe this goes in the doomposting thread. Feels like no matter what happens (resistance or no resistance) we are playing into their hands either way. Maybe it’s just meant to feel that way and it’s a big bluff they’re hoping won’t be called before they have all the pieces in place.

send in military where? everywhere?

Jaymc is correct about the spin from magaland.

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Yeah, I know, we shouldn't do/not do the right thing because of how the right will characterize them.

But part of how Dem resistance is being defanged in the media is with the message "of course government workers and liberals (but I repeat myself) are freaking out. Their calumny is being discovered!"

So the more strident Dems seem, the guiltily they seem, on this view. And then they get hit simultaneously with "why aren't you fighting harder?" rhetoric from our side. Damned if they do and damned if they don't, rinse, repeat.

(Again, not to entreat activists to pity them, just sayin what it seems like.)

Keeping things tied up in courts interminably until it’s too late and/or things work out in his favor and/or get appealed to a pet judge is his specialty- it’s hard to see the judicial system as a real long term resistance play, some principled judges notwithstanding