Turning On The Giant Faucet Of Bullshit - US Politics February 2025

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I realize we're holding our umbrellas under this storm of shit falling on us, but let's avoid, please, the DO YOU KNOW WHAT TRUMP SAID NOW affliction of 2017-2018. Let's confine it to more cataclysmic news.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:10 (one year ago)

but let's avoid, please, the DO YOU KNOW WHAT TRUMP SAID NOW affliction of 2017-2018

otm

I think we're all Bezos on this bus (WmC), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:15 (one year ago)

Xp Dan

There are no conservatives anymore because the world has changed to an extent where these types don’t want to conserve anything. They want to tear down the institutions they see as corrupt.

Marc Andreesen recently talked about how all the woke college grads were trying to “destroy” silicon valley companies from within. This is an absurd exaggeration. But not just that — it also is a projection of what they want to do, which is destroy civil society.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:16 (one year ago)

They as in these so called conservatives. Trump’s coalition.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:16 (one year ago)

Musk destroyed Twitter from within because it was full of intellectuals who made fun of him and now he’s teaming up with Trump to do the same thing to the Federal government, and for the same reasons

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:20 (one year ago)

There are no conservatives anymore because the world has changed to an extent where these types don’t want to conserve anything. They want to tear down the institutions they see as corrupt.

I have opted for "right-wing radicals" since the W administration.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:20 (one year ago)

They want to conserve a poisoned realm for white men.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

They’re not that radical. They absolutely want to preserve their wealth and the future wealth of their friends and they’re willing to wreck anything to do it but it’s in the service of consolidating power in the hands of those who already have it

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

xpost what he said

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

otm x 2, they are conservatives in the sense of conserving (and expanding) existing wealth and power. Which imo is always the most important meaning of "conservative," beyond and underneath any trappings of civility and custom.

This is good, from yet another outraged historian: https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-logic-of-destruction

This bit in particular struck me, because this is essentially describing the private equity/vulture capitalism mindset, now applied to government:

The oligarchs have no plan to govern. They will take what they can, and disable the rest. The destruction is the point. They don’t want to control the existing order. They want disorder in which their relative power will grow.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:27 (one year ago)

Snyder's been on a helluva run the last few years.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:27 (one year ago)

I think they are idiots because wealth cannot be created in conditions of anarchy and chaos.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:30 (one year ago)

There are warlords and cartel leaders who would disagree.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:32 (one year ago)

Yeah treeship I don't think that's true

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:33 (one year ago)

Sure. I guess the idea of being an “elite” in a broken world holds no appeal for me. I do not understand why people who have benefitted from our country, our workforce, our infrastructure, want to wreck it. It makes me livid.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:33 (one year ago)

Marc Andreesen recently talked about how all the woke college grads were trying to “destroy” silicon valley companies from within. This is an absurd exaggeration.

Andreesen sucks but he’s not entirely wrong about the “Shanley Kane era.” I suppose it depends on what you mean by “woke” and by “Silicon Valley company” but there was a period of years where politics was omnipresent at technology companies, even companies that exist outside of social media or otherwise lack a direct connection to politics. I believe that period was terrible for both my personal politics and technology generally.

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:34 (one year ago)

Q: Why does DJT want to cripple the US?
A: A crippled country is easier to loot.

SOMEBODY's naivete is getting really tired.

I think we're all Bezos on this bus (WmC), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:37 (one year ago)

The U.S. District Court of Washington, D.C., ruled Thursday morning that Elon Musk and his team of coders have been blocked from further accessing government databases.

Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly approved the temporary restraining order outlining the conditions.

Kollar-Kotelly previously served on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) and was appointed by the late conservative Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:46 (one year ago)

Let’s see if they follow the order

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:10 (one year ago)

Yeah I was going to ask what this really means in practical terms. Until some kind of enforcement entity physically removes the DOGE gang from the premises, I'm not sure what this does.

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:13 (one year ago)

How many infantry divisions etc.

no cap(ybara) (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:14 (one year ago)

it would not surprise me at all if they stopped right now, and then somewhere down the line everyone's bank accounts get siphoned

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:14 (one year ago)

memo from bondi to DOJ: the president is your client. zealously defend him.

https://prod-i.a.dj.com/public/resources/documents/DOJzealousadvocacymemo02052025.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/ZvctgNe.png

(note: the doj is was independent of the president's personal desires)

z_tbd, Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:14 (one year ago)

Also it's particularly wild to me that, all the details of the fuckery aside, that there are rightwingers crowing that this is "just an audit". Like, you genuinely believe that this guy with billions tied up in defense contracts is going to perform an objective audit of the gov'ts finances? The level of disingenuity and/or self-deception is off the charts

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:17 (one year ago)

They will defend dear leader to the bitter end. They are literally “this is fine” dogs.

Glam conspiracist (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:23 (one year ago)

I think the "this is fine" dogs are more the equivocating establishmentarians. The rightwingers who are crowing are the guys setting the house on fire.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:25 (one year ago)

I think they are idiots because wealth cannot be created in conditions of anarchy and chaos.

― treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:30 (forty-five minutes ago) link

There are warlords and cartel leaders who would disagree.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:32 (forty-three minutes ago) link

Yeah treeship I don't think that's true

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf),

The world they want to create would leave them vulnerable to having it all (and more) taken away from them though. There would no protections in the event of a fall out or hostile takeover. Oligarchy is a dangerous game

anvil, Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:27 (one year ago)

True

Glam conspiracist (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:28 (one year ago)

xp

Glam conspiracist (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:29 (one year ago)

Oligarchy is a dangerous game

For sure, just ask Immortan Joe. But I think the Muskovites (probably correctly) assess that at least within their conceivable lifetimes, they have plenty of resources and options. If one country falls apart, they just take their private militia and move somewhere else. It's not a sustainable model, but "sustainability" is a dirty word to these guys anyway.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 16:32 (one year ago)

If one country falls apart, they just take their private militia and move somewhere else.

Just as long as the private militia's payroll checks continue to clear.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:19 (one year ago)

All paid in crypto, I'm sure.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:30 (one year ago)

A generation that has modeled themselves on Simon Gruber from Die Hard with a Vengeance.

Gukbe, Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:36 (one year ago)

More bullshit:

US immigration is gaming Google to create a mirage of mass deportations

Thousands of press releases about decade-old enforcement actions topped search results, all updated with a timestamp from after Trump’s inauguration

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:39 (one year ago)

lol why didn’t Biden just spam us with old new releases about how inflation is zero

Dialysis Den (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:47 (one year ago)

Record grain yields comrades

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 17:50 (one year ago)

Inflation is zero*

*Compared to the exact present moment

z_tbd, Thursday, 6 February 2025 18:08 (one year ago)

Yes^^^

Dialysis Den (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 6 February 2025 18:27 (one year ago)

So USAID was investigating Starlink? Huh

During a hearing at the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Accountability in September, USAID Inspector General Paul K. Martin told Congress that the agency was examining its relationship with Starlink, one of Musk's most prominent tech ventures.

In 2022, USAID and Starlink collaborated to provide 5,000 Starlink terminals to Ukraine, to give the country fighting Russian invasion access to Musk's advanced internet system, operated through SpaceX, as reported by The Lever.

"In addition to another ongoing audit on direct budget support, we are examining USAID's Energy Security Project, USAID's oversight of Starlink Satellite Terminals provided to the Ukrainian government, and USAID's efforts to protect against sexual exploitation and abuse in Ukraine," Martin told Congress.

"When completed, we look forward to sharing the findings of these reports with the subcommittee."

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 6 February 2025 19:14 (one year ago)

“It has become ever more apparent that, to our president, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. The rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be for political or personal gain,” U.S. District Judge John Coughenour said as he announced his ruling. 

“Nevertheless, in this courtroom and under my watch, the rule of law is a bright beacon which I intend to follow,” continued Coughenour

“I said this two weeks ago, and I’ll say it again today: There are moments in the world’s history when people look back and ask, ‘Where were the lawyers, where were the judges?’ In these moments, the rule of law becomes especially vulnerable. I refuse to let that beacon go dark today,”

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 6 February 2025 20:33 (one year ago)

Another woke Reagan appointee.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 20:45 (one year ago)

I've had a helluva day. I gave our faculty union guidance on how to respond to the interim appointment of Jeannette Nunez as my university's president, in essence shoving out our sitting president before his contract has expired. Then a couple hours ago a 21-year-old local Dem hack chastised our local Dem club for LOLing at a MAGA activist losing his TPP status on Instagram. Now I'm on a faculty meeting where I'm listening to how our Board of Governors has demoted two of my three courses, among others across our school's curriculum, for reasons that I imagine are #woke.

So when a Reagan or Poppy Bush judge gives Trump a kick in the balls before I've had the world's biggest martini, I weep with gratitude.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 20:51 (one year ago)

This interview with Senator Brian Schatz is worth five minutes of your time.

Meanwhile, Musk and his associates continue to gain access to important federal systems. Do you think it’s smart strategy for Democrats to be focusing on that particular aspect of things above almost anything else — that Musk, an unelected billionaire, is wreaking all this havoc, and so on?
I want to question your premise, because all day, every day, I am asked about Democratic strategy. So I’m always doing this meta-commentary, as if I’m a podcaster. “Is it smart Democratic strategy?” I think there’s a lot of that, where we consider success to be whether someone ratifies our strategy via the punditocracy, and I just want us to get out of that habit.

That’s a fair point.
Bad things are bad, and you should fight bad things. One of the things people like about Republicans is they’re very determined to do the things they promise to do, and they’re willing to temporarily lose a news cycle in order to win a bigger argument that will cause a bigger shift in the national conversation. And we just have this left-of-center left punditocracy. It’s Morning Joe, it’s [Axelrod] and Carville — whose whole profession is, once they do their perfunctory criticism of Trump, then they get into the thing they really wanted to say, which is how much better things would be if they were in charge. And none of these people have run a Democratic campaign or enacted legislation in more than a generation.

And so it’s not that people shouldn’t use a skeptical or critical eye when evaluating what Democrats are up to, it’s just that the chin-stroking of it all is just a little exhausting. We just need everybody to jump in the boat and start paddling in the same direction, at least roughly speaking. And I have noticed this online — half of activism now is people rephrasing the things that I post. And I’m thinking of all the activities you could engage in online or offline, rephrasing the way a politician decided to say something is like the goofiest bullshit I’ve ever heard. So I think that we have to operate from some core principles, that we’re trying to protect people from a billionaire takeover of the United States government, of their government. And if that makes me sound corny, so be it. But I think that we have had too many pundits and pollsters and strategists who have been losing decade after decade. And I think it would be great if they all made some room for some new thinking.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 20:52 (one year ago)

salud Alfred! Hope you evening is better

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 6 February 2025 20:56 (one year ago)

I want to question your premise, because all day, every day, I am asked about Democratic strategy. So I’m always doing this meta-commentary, as if I’m a podcaster. “Is it smart Democratic strategy?” I think there’s a lot of that, where we consider success to be whether someone ratifies our strategy via the punditocracy, and I just want us to get out of that habit.

boom -- THANK you.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:04 (one year ago)

solidarity Alfred

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:05 (one year ago)

The fucking Dem runt who wagged his finger at us probably has a photo of James Carville in his mom's office.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:08 (one year ago)

Nearly all staffers from the Elon Musk-headed Department of Government Efficiency are expected to be temporarily restricted from directly accessing the Treasury Department systems responsible for nearly all payments made by the U.S. government.

Employees of DOGE, an advisory body tasked with cutting programs and slashing federal spending, were believed only to have access to the highly sensitive systems within the Bureau of the Fiscal Service.

Attorneys from the Department of Justice agreed to the Trump administration motion filed on Wednesday night to limit access to payment systems. U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly must sign off on the DOJ's proposed order.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:13 (one year ago)

Also, apparently one of Musk's DOGE staffers resigned today when asked about his old racist posts in support of eugenics.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:17 (one year ago)

You’d think that would lead to a promotion.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 February 2025 21:20 (one year ago)


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