Turning On The Giant Faucet Of Bullshit - US Politics February 2025

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I'm on team doesn't matter. But if the circumstances of last year recur (senescent president, egomaniacal toddler with cultlike hold on a large chunk of voters distributed just so, decent but imperfect backup candidate, events and economic conditions as they were) the lesson is um learned, I guess?

no cap(ybara) (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 5 February 2025 23:51 (one year ago)

imo it does matter that the national democratic party stands for so little that they were unable to convince enough people to keep these nihilist wreckers out. a lot of people knew this flavour of chaos was coming but the democrats could not get them to look beyond whatever ancillary financial benefits they'd deluded themselves were coming their way and that's a problem. mammon is king and it's not good enough to say, hey we are the superior judges of mammon distribution

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 February 2025 23:58 (one year ago)

Seems like the first woman to lead the U.S. will be a brutal Thatcherite, not a brat person of color from Oakland

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 5 February 2025 23:59 (one year ago)

That wasn’t why she lost. She would have won if it wasn’t for the bungled handoff. In my opinion. She lost because she stood for the Biden admin in people’s eyes. What she did in her position was fine but it was too late.

There is another piece to all this though. Their strategy seemed to be to jail Trump. So they should have made sure they did it! The federal investigations should have started way earlier! They put him in this position where he could gain sympathy by saying he was a victim of lawfare.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:01 (one year ago)

can we please not do this shit again

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:05 (one year ago)

relitigation?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:08 (one year ago)

i have zero interest in relitigation or even recrimination i'm all about action babe let's fire the DNC into the sun and move on

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:11 (one year ago)

the idea that any of them feels like they can show their face is amazing. has shame disappeared entirely from public life? time to bring it back imo

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:12 (one year ago)

These are the dems we have at present; which is it - they should be doing more, or they should hide in shame and slink off to die in the shadows while the maga set romps?

no cap(ybara) (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:15 (one year ago)

I forget. How many times does a dog walk in tight circles before it lies down to sleep?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:16 (one year ago)

oh they’ve done enough

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:21 (one year ago)

you guys are gonna hurt your stomachs. remember to breathe. maybe a little exercise. a light salad. 4 bottles of bordeaux.

scott seward, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:55 (one year ago)

can't afford the bordeaux - tariffs!

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 6 February 2025 00:56 (one year ago)

Sometimes it's the small things that help you get through the day, Daily Beast headline:

Mitch McConnell, 82, Taken Away in Wheelchair After Falling Twice
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 5 February 2025 22:03 (yesterday) link

Who wants to do the honors?

https://media.tenor.com/f7oKF5fw0QgAAAAM/mac-and-me-wheel-chair.gif

omar little, Thursday, 6 February 2025 01:59 (one year ago)

A conservative nonprofit has posted the names and photos of more than 50 federal workers on what it is calling a “watch list” related to diversity, equity and inclusion, asking President Trump to fire them.

The group says the workers named in its “D.E.I. bureaucrat watch list” supported diversity, criticized Mr. Trump on social media or made donations to Democrats. Many of the targets are Black workers at health agencies.

The list was compiled by the American Accountability Foundation, a small right-wing nonprofit that was founded in 2020 to oppose Biden administration policies and nominees. Since Mr. Trump’s election, the group has stepped up its targeting of specific federal workers — some of them career employees with little power — that it believes oppose his agenda.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/05/us/politics/dei-watchlist-federal-health-workers-cdc-nih.html?unlocked_article_code=1.u04.Wi1m.591oND903C86&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

curmudgeon, Thursday, 6 February 2025 05:00 (one year ago)

what in the everloving fuck is this shit

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 February 2025 05:11 (one year ago)

He said that his group had identified them by looking at political donations to Democrats, and by looking at social media posts. He said he had not reached out to the workers to verify the information he published, or even to determine if they still worked for the government.

“I’m busy; I’ve got a lot of stuff to do,” Mr. Jones said.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 6 February 2025 05:16 (one year ago)

If you ever wondered what it was like to live through McCarthyism ...

This whole "experiencing in real time the worst episodes of history" is not a good feeling.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 05:19 (one year ago)

100%

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 February 2025 05:30 (one year ago)

it's not quite the same when you already know though

scanner darkly, Thursday, 6 February 2025 06:17 (one year ago)

Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) said President Trump’s idea to take over the Gaza Strip is “provocative” but it’s “part of the conversation.”

Fetterman, who has been a staunch ally of Israel in its war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas, appeared to be open to considering the plan when speaking with Jewish Insider.

“It’s a provocative part of the conversation, but it’s part of the conversation, and that’s where we are,” Fetterman said. “The Palestinians have refused, or they’ve been unwilling to deliver a government that provided security and economic development for themselves.”

“They allowed 10/7 to occur, and now Gaza has to be rebuilt,” he continued,

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 6 February 2025 09:32 (one year ago)

"What's in it for me?" — a provocative and cool part of our national conversation about aiding and abetting genocide.

You're supposed to go to Heaven, ideally not Las Vegas (bernard snowy), Thursday, 6 February 2025 10:22 (one year ago)

The tone and approach of that NYT article is reprehensible.

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 6 February 2025 10:44 (one year ago)

Seriously, I just woke up and am now fully fucking awake.

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 6 February 2025 10:45 (one year ago)

It’s like “hey, they’re targeting these people, but, whatever”

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 6 February 2025 10:58 (one year ago)

Seems like the first woman to lead the U.S. will be a brutal Thatcherite, not a brat person of color from Oakland

We've had three women Prime Ministers in the UK, all of them right wing, and the current leader of the Tories, a woman of colour, is more right wing than any of them.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 February 2025 11:20 (one year ago)

And the last one did more damage to the economy in the shortest period than any other PM I can remember

conspiracitorial theories (stevie), Thursday, 6 February 2025 11:48 (one year ago)

the next to last one dug her political grave by misreading the moment with Grenfell Tower, makes u think

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 11:50 (one year ago)

Back when the UK had an opposition that actually opposed Tory nonsense.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 6 February 2025 12:03 (one year ago)

it’s not like the Dems are any better at this point.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 6 February 2025 12:41 (one year ago)

it turns out, according to the new york times, trump is a GENIUS.

"As outlandish and unworkable as Mr. Trump’s proposal on Tuesday may seem, it is “no less than an historic resetting of decades of received diplomatic wisdom,” said Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser. However unrealistic, he said, “it may force the sides to reconsider long-held positions, stir things up dramatically and lead to new openings.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/world/europe/trump-gaza-hamas-palestinians.html

scott seward, Thursday, 6 February 2025 13:48 (one year ago)

Polite Kahanism, how lovely!

guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:03 (one year ago)

"As outlandish and unworkable as Mr. Trump’s proposal on Tuesday may seem, it is “no less than an historic resetting of decades of received diplomatic wisdom,” said Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser. However unrealistic, he said, “it may force the sides to reconsider long-held positions, stir things up dramatically and lead to new openings.”

My provocative assertion that the collected works of Shakespeare were actually written by me may force literary critics to reconsider long-held opinions, stir things up dramatically and lead to new openings.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:09 (one year ago)

This is such a joke

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:23 (one year ago)

I read that NYT article first thing this morning and my head literally exploded. Picking up all the pieces has been a pain, need to remember to put on my craven-apologetics helmet.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:38 (one year ago)

Meanwhile, if your company ignores a union vote, fortunately you can appeal to the... oh wait.

https://wapo.st/4jMdrk3

no cap(ybara) (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:49 (one year ago)

I read that NYT article first thing this morning and my head literally exploded. Picking up all the pieces has been a pain, need to remember to put on my craven-apologetics helmet.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra),

Trump Wants to Turn Trump Into Rivera, Only Hamas Stands In Its Way

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:55 (one year ago)

The party that finds all sorts of excuses to cling to their “tradition” is now the party of “stirring things up dramatically.”

Glam conspiracist (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 14:56 (one year ago)

Trump just called chuck schumer a “palestinian.” I think I am having a stroke

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:06 (one year ago)

The nicest thing he could have said

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:09 (one year ago)

I realize we're holding our umbrellas under this storm of shit falling on us, but let's avoid, please, the DO YOU KNOW WHAT TRUMP SAID NOW affliction of 2017-2018. Let's confine it to more cataclysmic news.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:10 (one year ago)

but let's avoid, please, the DO YOU KNOW WHAT TRUMP SAID NOW affliction of 2017-2018

otm

I think we're all Bezos on this bus (WmC), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:15 (one year ago)

Xp Dan

There are no conservatives anymore because the world has changed to an extent where these types don’t want to conserve anything. They want to tear down the institutions they see as corrupt.

Marc Andreesen recently talked about how all the woke college grads were trying to “destroy” silicon valley companies from within. This is an absurd exaggeration. But not just that — it also is a projection of what they want to do, which is destroy civil society.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:16 (one year ago)

They as in these so called conservatives. Trump’s coalition.

treeship 2, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:16 (one year ago)

Musk destroyed Twitter from within because it was full of intellectuals who made fun of him and now he’s teaming up with Trump to do the same thing to the Federal government, and for the same reasons

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:20 (one year ago)

There are no conservatives anymore because the world has changed to an extent where these types don’t want to conserve anything. They want to tear down the institutions they see as corrupt.

I have opted for "right-wing radicals" since the W administration.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:20 (one year ago)

They want to conserve a poisoned realm for white men.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

They’re not that radical. They absolutely want to preserve their wealth and the future wealth of their friends and they’re willing to wreck anything to do it but it’s in the service of consolidating power in the hands of those who already have it

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

xpost what he said

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

otm x 2, they are conservatives in the sense of conserving (and expanding) existing wealth and power. Which imo is always the most important meaning of "conservative," beyond and underneath any trappings of civility and custom.

This is good, from yet another outraged historian: https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-logic-of-destruction

This bit in particular struck me, because this is essentially describing the private equity/vulture capitalism mindset, now applied to government:

The oligarchs have no plan to govern. They will take what they can, and disable the rest. The destruction is the point. They don’t want to control the existing order. They want disorder in which their relative power will grow.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 February 2025 15:27 (one year ago)


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