Is the US a dystopia?

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that's "make $2400/month"

― nickn, Wednesday, January 1, 2025 10:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

ya sorry typo

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 04:10 (one year ago)

xp NYC banned airbnb and rents and vacancy rates did not change. short term rentals in residential buildings/neighborhoods are worth regulating aggressively for lots of reasons but they are at most a second or third order reason rent is a problem in most American cities.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 05:12 (one year ago)

Wait is airb&b really banned in NYC or just regulated?

The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 January 2025 15:59 (one year ago)

New York City, New York: Rentals under 30 days are prohibited unless the host is present on the property. Hosts are required to obtain a license and relatively few licenses have been issued.[153]

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:07 (one year ago)

the real reason rent is a problem is because of landlordism

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:24 (one year ago)

xxp pretty much banned for practical purposes https://gothamist.com/news/after-crackdown-nyc-only-has-405-legal-airbnb-and-other-short-term-rentals-available

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:26 (one year ago)

sorry paywalled, free link https://archive.is/20241217204055/https://gothamist.com/news/after-crackdown-nyc-only-has-405-legal-airbnb-and-other-short-term-rentals-available

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:27 (one year ago)

the situation might change again though https://hellgatenyc.com/nyc-airbnb-wars-are-heating-up-again/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:28 (one year ago)

_they need to build and build until the supply shortage is solved_

It's not clear to me exactly what this shortage looks like in real terms. I'd love to see accurate data about how many existing housing units that could be used as full-time residences have been converted to AirB&Bs or similar short term/vacation rentals. Short term rentals rates are substantially higher than yearly leases or monthly rentals, which makes them especially attractive to landlords looking for investment property. Also the lack of effective oversight of those conversions. One of the consequences of a decade of near-zero interest rates was to greatly accelerate the acquisition of real estate for investment purposes, but especially residential real estate.


Some “investment property” is actually vacant. Like not even short-term rentals, especially in areas where short-term rentals are regulated (e.g. NYC, SF). These units are part of larger portfolios so the loss of income is way less significant than if the units were owned by an individual or family.

Another problem is that a lot of new housing built in areas with high homeless populations is market rate housing… so in cities like Oakland, you have a lot of vacant market rate apartments and a lot of unhoused people… one might think of the simple solution of local governments using funds for homeless services to rent these vacant units for homeless people and then they would have housing … but no. They have done this with hotels however.

The oversight issue is tricky… do local governments pay staff to scour Air BnB, Vrbo, etc and then match that data to their databases of buildings and units and then send threatening letters to owners? Then follow up with fines if the owners don’t cease and desist or pay additional fees? Perhaps share data with state governments that could have regulations that limit tax benefits from illegal short-term rentals? You might think that this would be simple …

Another problem is the cost of construction of new housing. Tax credits and grants for affordable housing construction exist because without them, “the projects don’t pencil”… Some of the cost is labor (expect this to increase if Trump goes on a deportation spree), and there are also a lot of bureaucratic expenses… that if you jump through the hoops and check the boxes you can get waived for affordable housing projects. But there are a lot of hoops and boxes that are in place to prevent fraud and other compliance issues.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 17:48 (one year ago)

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5b4e21541900002b00c65f11.jpeg

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 January 2025 17:50 (one year ago)

San Francisco recently created legislation and changed building codes to allow for easier conversion of downtown office buildings to housing with extra allowances for affordable units iirc … because in general, it is cheaper to convert existing buildings than to build new ones in denser urban areas

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 17:58 (one year ago)

the real reason rent is a problem is because of landlordism


As in that most housing is privately owned?

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 18:01 (one year ago)

well, yes, but more along the lines of who owns the housing. you look at the Bay or New York or any large city and most of the rental housing stock is owned by enormous corporations that are poorly regulated and can raise rent without providing an iota of a reason or any extra services “just because.”

sure, certain smaller landlords are also scum but in a different way.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 January 2025 18:10 (one year ago)

It would warm the cockles of my heart to see state & local governments get aggressive on this crisis to the point of using eminent domain as a big hammer to force REITs and other corporate landlords to understand that cooperation and 'penciling out' a smaller profit is a better option than coerced divestment with the loss of ownership and all future profits.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 January 2025 18:17 (one year ago)

Smaller landlords are now using rent-setting software, which is basically a third-party workaround for price-fixing collusion.

Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 January 2025 18:35 (one year ago)

Smaller landlords are now using rent-setting software, which is basically a third-party workaround for price-fixing collusion.


I think there is a lawsuit about this in California iirc

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:15 (one year ago)

It would warm the cockles of my heart to see state & local governments get aggressive on this crisis to the point of using eminent domain as a big hammer to force REITs and other corporate landlords to understand that cooperation and 'penciling out' a smaller profit is a better option than coerced divestment with the loss of ownership and all future profits.


The state and local governments whose elected officials receive big campaign contributions from the Natl Association of Realtors, et al?

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:18 (one year ago)

I didn't say I expected it, only that it would be heartwarming. ;-)

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:22 (one year ago)

California had a very reasonable ballot measure last year to extend rent control to almost all rental housing (buildings with less than 4 units, buildings constructed after 1995) … and it didn’t pass … because of the real estate lobby basically lol

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:22 (one year ago)

I didn't say I expected it, only that it would be heartwarming. ;-)


Ha yes. Vacancy taxes and increased fees and taxes for residential landlords are about as far as they go …

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:24 (one year ago)

"Some “investment property” is actually vacant"

eh, I mean yes, but the vacancy rate is in American cities is small, typically low single figures %. it's 3.2% in NYC so the average unit is vacant for one month every 3 years. it's literally what you would expect to allow units to be turned over between tenants (repairs, find new tenants, etc.). outside a couple of places (e.g. SF) it can't get much lower.

long term willful vacancy of units that would have willing tenants blights individual high end apartment buildings in commercial neighborhoods, and it's a huge problem for commercial buildings themselves, but does not occur on scale that has any impact on the housing crisis. it's an easy thing for local politicians to make noise about because "vacancy taxes" are easy wins that allow them to claim they are "tackling the housing crisis" without doing things that might actually work but are unpopular with reliable voters. the fact that everyone supports vacancy taxes is a clue that the phenomenon they seek to stop is already very rare.

one might think of the simple solution of local governments using funds for homeless services to rent these vacant units for homeless people and then they would have housing … but no

i hate CA local government more than most but in their defense ... you know why this doesn't happen, right?

The oversight issue is tricky… do local governments pay staff to scour Air BnB, Vrbo, etc and then match that data to their databases of buildings and units and then send threatening letters to owners?

yes? airbnb was effectively banned in NYC 15 months ago. the number of listings has dropped from 25,000 to 2,000 (most of which are permitted rather than in violation of the law). local governments do tons of things that cost more and are harder to do than regulate short term rentals. it if you think it will make a difference to rents, you can make it happen. (it won't help rents, but there are other reasons to ban it.)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 19:38 (one year ago)

Brandon Sutton is pretty good at breaking down a lot of recent American developments and which bits of the reactionaries are fighting with the others and why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK7LmOR7PWc

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 2 January 2025 20:24 (one year ago)

https://voiceofsandiego.org/2025/01/01/in-2025-san-diego-cant-look-away-from-the-screaming/

― sleeve

portland's the same way

i see men around me screaming (always white men)

i tried screaming myself, for a while

lost a lot of friends that way

a lot of my energy these days goes into finding ways to not scream while still, like

talking to other people

finding healthy ways to talk to other people

i feel like most people don't know what's happening and maybe like

can't cognitively accept it even if they do know

a lot of us do know, and what the hell can we do about it?

they don't tell men this, but a lot of women know that if you get attacked, you don't yell "rape", you yell "fire"

because if you yell "rape" nobody does anything

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 3 January 2025 07:56 (one year ago)

my kid took the best 2025 Amerika photo. props to Cyrus.

great photo, it belongs in the "Is the US a utopia?" thread obv

c u (crüt), Saturday, 4 January 2025 15:23 (one year ago)

was gonna say, I like gravy

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 4 January 2025 19:48 (one year ago)

For You: If you like gravy then you might like...

shit that looks like an onion article but isn't

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 4 January 2025 19:55 (one year ago)

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/pacific-palisades-fire-altadena-santa-monica-los-angeles-donald-trump-elon-musk-misinformation-disinformation-lies-conspiracy-theories/

this is more about how things are going to be from now on than it is about the LA wildfires, so I figured this was a better place for this link.

StanM, Thursday, 9 January 2025 09:54 (one year ago)

The end wokeness account are praying.

Holy crap. One of the most terrifying things I have ever seen. Pray.

pic.twitter.com/EpJm5InANa

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 8, 2025

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 January 2025 10:38 (one year ago)

to be fair that's better than the usual reactionary response of "this is God's punishment for gay people existing"

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 January 2025 11:02 (one year ago)

is the terrifying thing that someone is standing in his house filming while wildfires are inches away from it?

jaymc, Thursday, 9 January 2025 14:03 (one year ago)

Honestly, the footage will end up getting bought by some producer and used in something… this is going to be like 9/11 where film/tv will become “dated” by depicting structures that are now destroyed.

sarahell, Thursday, 9 January 2025 14:12 (one year ago)

Why are those people still in the house???!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 9 January 2025 14:46 (one year ago)

Probably got sold on some kind of natural heat spa.

Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 January 2025 14:50 (one year ago)

that dog needs better owners

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:41 (one year ago)

yeah my wife was watching this yesterday...is there any word what happened to these people? because that does not seem good

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:43 (one year ago)

they probably got out bc dudes who look like that always get out

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:44 (one year ago)

https://www.404media.co/were-fine-los-angeles-wildfires/

We got in the car. We started driving. I watched a driverless Waymo navigate streets in which the traffic lights were out because the power was out. My fiancé took two work meetings on the road, tethered to her phone, our dog sitting on her lap. We stopped at a fast food drive through.

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:21 (one year ago)

Hot new wellness trans: fire baths

The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:49 (one year ago)

Trend !!!!

The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:49 (one year ago)

the dystopian part of that might be the fiance taking two work meetings on her phone while escaping.

omar little, Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:54 (one year ago)

also being engaged to a guy who worked for Vice.

Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 January 2025 19:13 (one year ago)

https://dnyuz.com/2025/01/09/the-army-of-god-comes-out-of-the-shadows/

scott seward, Thursday, 9 January 2025 23:39 (one year ago)

not necessarily limited to the US but a crypto 'prediction market' where people gamble on the extent of wildfires is pretty dystopic!

https://polymarket.com/event/how-many-acres-will-palisades-fire-burn-by-friday?tid=1736377893344

mookieproof, Friday, 10 January 2025 00:17 (one year ago)

SOMEONE WORKING FOR THE CITY REACHED OUT TO OUR MUTUAL AID FOR MASKS I AM SCREAMING

— hard boiled megg (@badgalmeggy) January 9, 2025

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 January 2025 13:03 (one year ago)

I quit that platform so I can't read the comments but I love a mutual aid + local government partnership! Get it girl. That's power. When they know you can steward resources and connect with people better than they can, you can use that. Mwah

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 10 January 2025 14:28 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B19qb1Az94

scott seward, Friday, 10 January 2025 14:37 (one year ago)

Yeah every few Tiktok videos right now are someone sharing information about the Resnicks in some way! TT does so much work for people with these highly specific bodies of knowledge, allowing them to get their message out, and obv no one knows what the algos are doing on there but I've never been shown the breadth of content and people on any other platform. Not even close. There's been a steep increase in ads and shopping shit that you can scroll right past but is low-key annoying, but even with that change, the access to people and information is invaluable.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 10 January 2025 15:55 (one year ago)


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