Is the US a dystopia?

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“Shifting people from the government sector, which is low productivity, to the private sector, which is high productivity,

To me this reads as "Let's fire all these black federal workers."

Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Friday, 20 December 2024 20:00 (one year ago)

this system of inequality will make life unpalatable for the uber-rich

Once you've started to ride the tiger, there's no safe way to dismount.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 20 December 2024 20:08 (one year ago)

such violence and fascism required to maintain this system of inequality will make life unpalatable for the uber-rich

I forget whether it was here or elsewhere, but I saw that the Popbitch email (a thing I had forgotten existed) ran a joke about CEOs hiring security and that the perks of the job included a gun and close proximity to the CEO in question.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 20 December 2024 20:22 (one year ago)

I heard some Russian opposition figure on NPR or somewhere, and he reminded the world that in Russia, nothing happens for years and years, but when it does come - the fall of the Tsar, the end of the Soviet Union - it usually happens really fast, like in three days

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 20 December 2024 20:25 (one year ago)

It's a quote that get misattributed to Lenin quite a bit
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lenin-decades-quote/

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 20 December 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

Based on posts by ilxors who work for big private sector companies… they don’t seem very high productivity tbh… though i do appreciate the contributions to ilx!

sarahell, Saturday, 21 December 2024 01:30 (one year ago)

having worked in a similar role in both the public and private sector (admittedly in Australia)

working for a private for-profit - the waste was unbelievable! we absolutely pissed money away constantly, had ridiculous perks and very meagre expectations re actual work

in a similar role for a governmental org - everybody is making do with a tiny amount of resources, often across multiple roles - and making it work because they are motivated by drivers other than personal financial reward

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:08 (one year ago)

My father was part of the SoCal late 70s evangelical born-again Reagan Republican thing and when I was growing up he told me he'd disown me if I ever joined the military or worked for the federal government, because the government was so inefficient and wasteful. He eventually started a company and it was later bought by a larger corporation who he went to go work for and he took it all back. He said he'd never seen inefficiency like he had with the private sector.

I kind of thought the "government is inefficient" overtones of the Tea Party/Paul Ryan era had died away with the rise of the Trump GOP but to paraphrase Oscar Isaac, somehow it's returned.

Gukbe, Saturday, 21 December 2024 02:13 (one year ago)

every dollar spent by the federal government that goes into the US economy has a greater than 1 multiplier in how much it contributes to the economy, typically much more than the publicly-held private sector. the issue is that publicly-held companies try to make that ratio go up, but to enrich shareholders and private equity rather than contributions to the nation at large, regardless of how the company’s core business is affected

the issue that’s been ongoing for decades is the tightrope that publicly-held companies that service government contracts walk isn’t sustainable. the stock market capitalism lie is that investors drive efficiency, but it’s extraction of value, and that value isn’t just dollars, it’s effectiveness and quality of output

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Saturday, 21 December 2024 05:28 (one year ago)

I used to think that but (1) there won't be any revolutions; and (2) if there are, the revolutionaries will be gunned down by police/military/private security forces before they even touch the door of a single mansion.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR)

if the police/military/security forces are able to do that without reprisals, _they're_ the ones who run the country, not people like bezos and musk

eventually, the people they pay to protect them will figure out that they can just, like, kill the people who are paying them and take the money and power for themselves

which i wouldn't really call a good thing, but then, i don't think revolutions are a good thing in general

best i can say that there are certain circumstances where i might consider them _less bad_ than a continuation of the existing order

for instance, in the case of a state that's actively trying to eradicate marginalized demographic groups, _particularly_ demographic groups i happen to be a member of

the problem being that marginalized demographic groups tend to be the ones who suffer most in situations of revolutionary disruptions of the established order

can't win for losing, i guess

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 December 2024 06:06 (one year ago)

every dollar spent by the federal government that goes into the US economy has a greater than 1 multiplier in how much it contributes to the economy, typically much more than the publicly-held private sector. the issue is that publicly-held companies try to make that ratio go up, but to enrich shareholders and private equity rather than contributions to the nation at large, regardless of how the company’s core business


True, though they then argue that those contributions “trickle down” to the nation at large … speaking of Reagan … and decades in retrospect, the key word for me is “trickle” where morally I think it would be best if it was a steady flow or strong downpour. It is tied in to the logic of stimulus payments and cash assistance to low(er) income people… those payments tend to go out and not just keep poor people housed and fed and less freaked out about precarity… rather than money that goes to the affluent or financially secure … they save it or invest it because they can.

sarahell, Saturday, 21 December 2024 15:06 (one year ago)

Not sure if this belongs here but found this incredibly dystopic https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 21 December 2024 20:33 (one year ago)

Just coning here to post that. Shocking.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 December 2024 20:26 (one year ago)

I was in the Coop yesterday. In front of me was a Just Eat delivery guy picking up a bag that solely contained a couple of 20 packs of cigarettes. Then I notice in the local Onestop retail staff are having to make up Just Eat orders for lazy fuckers, as well as deal with the queue at the till. This is not good.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 22 December 2024 21:01 (one year ago)

I try to think that perhaps the customers are ill or disabled or are caregivers for people who are and going to the store is a challenge… this is me being charitable fwiw

sarahell, Sunday, 22 December 2024 22:11 (one year ago)

I feel rather ill until I get my 20 packs of cigs

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Sunday, 22 December 2024 22:35 (one year ago)

Spent the weekend flying out to Ohio to be with my family. I hadn't traveled since 2018. It was interesting, interesting to see parts of the American dystopia I don't usually see.

Here's the bit that confuses me most. Lincoln said that thing about government "for the people, by the people, and of the people, and people talk like all those things are the same but the aren't, really. Maybe there's some people the government is for, by there's a lot more of us it's against, but it's still, like _of_ the people. I think it's been observed here that a lot of the Republicans' talk about "downsizing government", "draining the swamp", whatever language they use - it's not just corporatist, it's pretty nakedly white supremacist. When I think of the people who personify "the government" in my head, overall a _lot_ more of them are Black than you find in corporate America.

Looking around me this weekend, I found that to still be pretty true, even in situations where "the government" translates to "surveillance/security state". TSA agents, military personnel. They don't make the rules, they're just responsible for enforcing them.

And they're treated like shit. They've been treated like shit for so long, in so many ways, and it keeps getting worse and worse. Is going through airline security great? No, no it's not, and it's not something I have a choice in. Instead I look at the people who work these jobs. They're brutal, underpaid, demoralizing jobs. I'd have a hard time working a job like that. I think it's mostly because I'm autistic as hell but maybe there's some privilege and entitlement in there. I don't know for sure.

So I go through and the full-body security scan beeps and some TSA agent is supposed to examine my crotch. I mean it's awkward. Is there a reason for the security scan to go off? I don't know. I don't know how these things work or _if_ these things work. I'm a trans woman, but I don't have a penis or testicles. I have a vulva, but I don't have a vaginal canal. Most people aren't even aware that the genital configuration I have is anatomically possible. Does the machine know? Is the machine doing some scan where it can tell that I don't have a vaginal canal?

So I guess I'm overexplaining when I try to explain to the TSA agent that I have a vulva but not a vaginal canal. I just want to avoid any unpleasant surprises. Nobody really has any idea that I'm trans. I have an "X" on my driver's license but it's not like they give the people in this "Papers, Please" situation time to register that stuff. IDK, was it socially inappropriate to use the words "vulva" and "vaginal canal"? The poor lady seems really embarrassed and it's not like we're in an environment that gives her a lot of time to process what I can only assume to be _utterly_ unexpected information. How many times a day is this lady supposed to fondle someone's vulva on behalf of the United States Government? How much is she being paid to do this? It can't possibly be enough. And on top of that now I'm telling her about my vaginal canal for some reason.

They got some other agents examining my bag. My brother gave me a candle and a tin of pumpkin butter for Christmas and these two guys are trying to figure out if it's a security risk. Since the entire thing is theater, the guidelines of course make no sense whatsoever. They probably haven't been working there for a long time and they're supposed to spend their whole day trying to decide on very short notice how to interpret these rules that change constantly while being confronted with customers, a considerable number of whom are entitled racist white people. Shit, I could be one of those entitled racist white people. They got no way of knowing that. Mostly I feel bad for making their life harder. I don't know the rules. I hadn't really thought in advance that candles and pumpkin butter might cause trouble. If I'd thought about it I would've just had it mailed. These guys are just trying to do their job. Apparently if something is "spreadable" it's OK to let on board, but if it's "pourable" it's not. Later I tell my ex-girlfriend this and she says "C4 is spreadable." I've never thought about whether C4 is spreadable. I don't think it matters. In a just world, TSA agents would all be represented by Actors Equity and paid union scale.

The thing that's weird for me is that when the President-Elect says all of the things he's going to do, these are the people who are supposed to do it. If he declares me an Enemy of the State, the people in military uniform, the people in TSA uniforms, they're "the State". They're the reality he's out of touch with. Am I "in touch" with that reality? Not as much as I'd like to be. It's been six years. I'm looking at these folks and idly wondering: If the President-Elect commanded them to kill me, would they? It seems like the kind of thing he might do.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 December 2024 02:15 (one year ago)

"I hadn't traveled since 2018"

that's a big deal. that you did that. good job.

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 December 2024 04:54 (one year ago)

I'm glad cigarette delivery didn't exist when I was binge drinking regularly.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 24 December 2024 05:20 (one year ago)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-homelessness-rose-by-record-18-latest-annual-data-2024-12-27/

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 29 December 2024 00:15 (one year ago)

"I hadn't traveled since 2018"

that's a big deal. that you did that. good job.

― scott seward

awww, thanks so much scott!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-homelessness-rose-by-record-18-latest-annual-data-2024-12-27/

― papal hotwife (milo z)

only 23 out of 10,000? wow. sometimes i forget how much of a statistical outlier my social circles are. i'm not sure if i was homeless or not. a surprising amount of it comes down to how you classify things. i don't think of myself as ever having been homeless, but i also tend to think of myself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, so...

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 29 December 2024 01:00 (one year ago)

i lived in a truck from 2013- 2016, some of it off-grid and 20 miles from the nearest town. when i would apply for food stamps or other assistance, i would explain that i wasn’t really homeless, and the person would always listen to me and say, “with all due respect, that counts as homeless.”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 29 December 2024 12:52 (one year ago)

People living in motels are also officially counted as homeless.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 29 December 2024 15:37 (one year ago)

We asked people who lived in homeless encampments that were cleared out in city “sweeps” to write about what object was the hardest for them to lose.

“They took my baby pictures and my moms obituaries,” a 29-year-old in California wrote. https://t.co/qullOr6Dhm pic.twitter.com/GGDxTN5kpC

— ProPublica (@propublica) December 29, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 30 December 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

Yup, just here to post this.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 31 December 2024 11:22 (one year ago)

Actually curious about homeless encampments not in California cities … for years I have heard how other states “solve” their homeless problems by giving homeless people one way bus tickets to California… one of the few states with areas where it doesn’t get below freezing.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 January 2025 21:45 (one year ago)

A significant number of homeless people are from here though.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 January 2025 21:47 (one year ago)

if so they're not doing it very often because we've got homeless encampments across the midwest

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 1 January 2025 21:47 (one year ago)

It’s probably one of the ways they rationalize not responding more compassionately

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 January 2025 22:06 (one year ago)

heard from whom

milms and foovies (sic), Wednesday, 1 January 2025 23:34 (one year ago)

Lots of cities give homeless people one-way tickets out of state. But not all to CA. CA sends people to other states as well.

https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/democracy-now/clip/cities-give-thousands-of-homeless-people-one-way-bus-tickets-to-leave-town

Grape Fired At Czar From Crack Battery (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 January 2025 00:25 (one year ago)

A significant number of homeless people are from here though.

― sarahell, Wednesday, January 1, 2025 4:47 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Almost all of them. 75% of unhoused people in LA County (75%) lived in LA County when they lost their home. 86% lived in CA.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:18 (one year ago)

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/public-housing-new-york-affordable-rent-real-estate

they need to build and build until the supply shortage is solved and housing becomes affordable. tenant rights need to be strengthened, especially in the new social housing projects, which do not need to fall under the same problems of the old projects. you can make smaller units integrated into communities, but we need A LOT. housing and healthcare are human rights.

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:44 (one year ago)

i think start here. if getting a roof over your head and a productive way to support oneself was more accessible, more people would do it. we make things hard for people to "punish" them for having diseases. mental illness and addiction. but these diseases are exacerbated by putting people under this kind of pressure.

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:45 (one year ago)

medicare for all. housing for all. if we can give elon musk billions of dollars for bullshit we can do this.

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:46 (one year ago)

i might be an idiot but i really think massive government initiatives that make life livable for people would have a profound effect. they aren't fancy or intellectual solutions, but if rent is $2500 and you make $2400 a week (15/hr) you can't afford an apartment. you have to find roommates, you sometimes need a "guarantor," you are made to feel like you aren't a legitimate member of society and that has all sorts of nasty effects on people.

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:48 (one year ago)

But how can we pay for murdering people abroad with our terrorist squads? (Sorry, “armed forces”)

beamish13, Thursday, 2 January 2025 02:58 (one year ago)

that's "make $2400/month"

nickn, Thursday, 2 January 2025 03:07 (one year ago)

they need to build and build until the supply shortage is solved

It's not clear to me exactly what this shortage looks like in real terms. I'd love to see accurate data about how many existing housing units that could be used as full-time residences have been converted to AirB&Bs or similar short term/vacation rentals. Short term rentals rates are substantially higher than yearly leases or monthly rentals, which makes them especially attractive to landlords looking for investment property. Also the lack of effective oversight of those conversions. One of the consequences of a decade of near-zero interest rates was to greatly accelerate the acquisition of real estate for investment purposes, but especially residential real estate.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 2 January 2025 03:46 (one year ago)

that's "make $2400/month"

― nickn, Wednesday, January 1, 2025 10:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

ya sorry typo

treeship., Thursday, 2 January 2025 04:10 (one year ago)

xp NYC banned airbnb and rents and vacancy rates did not change. short term rentals in residential buildings/neighborhoods are worth regulating aggressively for lots of reasons but they are at most a second or third order reason rent is a problem in most American cities.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 05:12 (one year ago)

Wait is airb&b really banned in NYC or just regulated?

The Whimsical Muse (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 January 2025 15:59 (one year ago)

New York City, New York: Rentals under 30 days are prohibited unless the host is present on the property. Hosts are required to obtain a license and relatively few licenses have been issued.[153]

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:07 (one year ago)

the real reason rent is a problem is because of landlordism

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:24 (one year ago)

xxp pretty much banned for practical purposes https://gothamist.com/news/after-crackdown-nyc-only-has-405-legal-airbnb-and-other-short-term-rentals-available

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:26 (one year ago)

sorry paywalled, free link https://archive.is/20241217204055/https://gothamist.com/news/after-crackdown-nyc-only-has-405-legal-airbnb-and-other-short-term-rentals-available

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:27 (one year ago)

the situation might change again though https://hellgatenyc.com/nyc-airbnb-wars-are-heating-up-again/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 January 2025 16:28 (one year ago)

_they need to build and build until the supply shortage is solved_

It's not clear to me exactly what this shortage looks like in real terms. I'd love to see accurate data about how many existing housing units that could be used as full-time residences have been converted to AirB&Bs or similar short term/vacation rentals. Short term rentals rates are substantially higher than yearly leases or monthly rentals, which makes them especially attractive to landlords looking for investment property. Also the lack of effective oversight of those conversions. One of the consequences of a decade of near-zero interest rates was to greatly accelerate the acquisition of real estate for investment purposes, but especially residential real estate.


Some “investment property” is actually vacant. Like not even short-term rentals, especially in areas where short-term rentals are regulated (e.g. NYC, SF). These units are part of larger portfolios so the loss of income is way less significant than if the units were owned by an individual or family.

Another problem is that a lot of new housing built in areas with high homeless populations is market rate housing… so in cities like Oakland, you have a lot of vacant market rate apartments and a lot of unhoused people… one might think of the simple solution of local governments using funds for homeless services to rent these vacant units for homeless people and then they would have housing … but no. They have done this with hotels however.

The oversight issue is tricky… do local governments pay staff to scour Air BnB, Vrbo, etc and then match that data to their databases of buildings and units and then send threatening letters to owners? Then follow up with fines if the owners don’t cease and desist or pay additional fees? Perhaps share data with state governments that could have regulations that limit tax benefits from illegal short-term rentals? You might think that this would be simple …

Another problem is the cost of construction of new housing. Tax credits and grants for affordable housing construction exist because without them, “the projects don’t pencil”… Some of the cost is labor (expect this to increase if Trump goes on a deportation spree), and there are also a lot of bureaucratic expenses… that if you jump through the hoops and check the boxes you can get waived for affordable housing projects. But there are a lot of hoops and boxes that are in place to prevent fraud and other compliance issues.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2025 17:48 (one year ago)

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5b4e21541900002b00c65f11.jpeg

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 2 January 2025 17:50 (one year ago)


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